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Authority
    #28116154 - 12/29/22 09:43 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

What does authority represent to you? What does it mean to be an authority on something? Can there be multiple authorities? Does having authority conflict with others having authority?

How do you relate to authority? Are you an authority on anything?


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Re: Authority [Re: Kickle]
    #28116165 - 12/29/22 09:55 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Authority has many definitions
Can be a person in power. A person considered an expert in a subject.A person with control. Make decisions, make or give orders, and an enforcer


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Re: Authority [Re: loladoreen]
    #28116168 - 12/29/22 10:00 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Yeah :smile:


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Re: Authority [Re: Kickle]
    #28116171 - 12/29/22 10:04 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

To answer the second part of the question:
I relate well to authority unless it is a person abusing power, position or not an authority/expert on a subject.
I would say in my old career I am an authority and probably with two of college degrees. I am not an authority with my budding new career.
I was taught to question authority which I think is smart. I don't blindly trust anyone because they say trust me ... in fact my guard probably goes up more. LOL
So I think when I trust they are an authority figure or on a subject I am ok. Otherwise.. I question everything.
sorry.


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Re: Authority [Re: Kickle]
    #28116179 - 12/29/22 10:14 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

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What does authority represent to you?





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An object of admiration.


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Re: Authority [Re: loladoreen]
    #28116183 - 12/29/22 10:17 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Thanks for continuing. I agree that it's a good idea to question authority. How else can we learn from another?

What does the guard do here though?


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Re: Authority [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28116186 - 12/29/22 10:20 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

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What does authority represent to you?



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An object of admiration.




I don't really understand. Are you saying you admire the object of authority?


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Re: Authority [Re: Kickle]
    #28116189 - 12/29/22 10:23 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

I think the guard up is something that I was not aware was an obstacle for me until I was older. It is now something I recognize to watch in myself. Because it is a barrier to me allowing growth within myself.
Questioning authority vs on guard questioning .. one is healthy the other stops yourself from potential growth and learning.

I LOVE to learn.. I question where the information comes from constantly. I returned to college to switch careers and am getting a new degree. I do A LOT of research. It is almost all I do.
Where the information comes from is important to me. Why or how they became an authority is important to me.
And I don't blindly trust because so and so said it. That would be like watching the news and not knowing only what we are told is what we are told. It is picked and chosen you do not have access to information like one thinks.


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Re: Authority [Re: Kickle]
    #28116192 - 12/29/22 10:32 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

I admire Doreen's capacity for learning and therefore attribute to her some relative authority.


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Re: Authority [Re: loladoreen]
    #28116193 - 12/29/22 10:35 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

I see a lot of good perspective here and I appreciate you teaching me about your approach.


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Re: Authority [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28116197 - 12/29/22 10:37 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

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I admire Doreen's capacity for learning and therefore attribute to her some relative authority.




Ah, thanks! Do you think there is any merit to the notion that the ones who are an authority to us may not be an authority to another? And visa versa?


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Re: Authority [Re: Kickle]
    #28116200 - 12/29/22 10:42 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Sure, subjective standards being relative.


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Re: Authority [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28116206 - 12/29/22 10:49 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Me too :yesnod:

But I sometimes get a inner hubbub because I forget this. So thanks for the reminder.


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Re: Authority [Re: Kickle]
    #28116208 - 12/29/22 10:50 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

YES
I consider some of my coworkers to be authority figures on some things and on others I do not. I judge it by the knowledge they have, how they apply it, etc. Not just what their degrees are in. Degrees mean nothing if you don't have wisdom and apply it.
I returned to school to switch careers and I take some courses that I have more knowledge and experience in that particular course then the teacher. I respect them but I also chime in .

Degrees dont mean your smart or an authority figure in a field. I have two college degrees and working on my third right now. I have worked with or been associated professionally with some STUPID people with the same degrees or higher degrees. They do not equal intelligence.
BUT- I would not NOT get a degree. They are important and provide a lot of education.


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Re: Authority [Re: loladoreen]
    #28116234 - 12/29/22 11:18 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

This can be in my inner hubub too. Thanks for the reminder in a different way.


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Re: Authority [Re: Kickle]
    #28116235 - 12/29/22 11:22 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Do you consider your peers to be an authority or co workers.. IDK your life.. but who is an authority to you and what makes them one?


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Re: Authority [Re: loladoreen]
    #28116241 - 12/29/22 11:33 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Yeah I think it sort of has layers for me.

Like I think the best authority on what someone is experiencing, is the one experiencing it. So at that layer, everything someone says is them being an authority in regards to what they are experiencing. I try to recognize people's authority here.

Then there is a layer of interaction. Where someone else's authority interacts with my own. I'm the authority on what I'm experiencing too. And these don't really line up but they can harmonize.

My approach to the misalignments or disharmony? It varies, truly. But my overarching goal is to be exploratory. Maybe there is something in what they are experiencing that will be valuable to me in my experience. Maybe they can teach me something so I don't have to go through it myself, or put in all the work myself.

But that's not always the case, right? So then I try to engage it from a different perspective. One that says OK, the authority that they have is not applicable to anything I can find right now. But maybe it will for someone else. And appreciate their authority just for being, because I don't know what value it has. I wasn't able to find it. But I don't discard it as being worthless. Because I didn't find that either. I just found it didn't line up meaningfully for me.

And then there is the layer of trust. Trusting that I can show appreciation even without having taken anything.


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Re: Authority [Re: Kickle] * 1
    #28116242 - 12/29/22 11:34 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Agree


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Re: Authority [Re: loladoreen]
    #28116251 - 12/29/22 11:45 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

What do you have degrees in?


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Re: Authority [Re: Kickle]
    #28116254 - 12/29/22 11:48 AM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Noam Chomsky defines authority as those who give the orders, and those who have no authority as those whose lot it is to carry them out. I don't know whether I agree with that, just offering it as food for thought.

Authority actually arose, and did not exist before, about eight or ten thousand years ago. Before that we were hunter-gatherers, in whose tribes authority does not exist. When irrigation of crops became necessary in early civilization, a "water-manager" was elected to oversee the new system. Someone had to run it. This was the birth of authority, and all its manifestations are connected with it.

Authority is unfortunately necessary in a society like ours, but that doesn't mean it's bearable. As I point out, it is not absolutely necessary in all human societies.


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