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Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD * 3
    #28108398 - 12/22/22 09:22 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

--> To those who experience anxiety on shrooms...If you take shrooms along with 70mg of pure thh or tetrahydroharmine, not only does it eliminate anxiety, add crystal clear clarity, increased euphoria, but the shroom trip is extended by an hour +, done it countless times myself, absolutely incredible gorgeous experience. Thh is a psychedelic sri not maoi found in cappi. Damn near perfect psychedelic combo....other than that mescaline is all ready the perfect psychedelic, drank cactus tea over 150 times over many years. I love that it lasts incredibly long allready.

Sabnock said:
"There may be some confusion surrounding THH for people. From my understanding, the form of THH found in the B. Caapi vine is purely a Serotonin reuptake inhibitor and ime it certainly feels that way, it doesn't have or at least isn't supposed to have MAOI properties, which that comes from the Harmine and Harmaline." Sabnock is a legend, read countless posts from him and he is indeed correct.

Bardy said:
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DMT-nexus says: Like other harmala alkaloids it is a RIMA reversible inhibitor of monoamine oxidase A. However, unlike harmine and harmaline, THH also inhibits reuptake of serotonin.
https://wiki.dmt-nexus.me/Tetrahydroharmine
Are you claiming these folks are wrong?


Yes, that information is incredibly vague or unclear. The sentence is very vague in that it does not tell you it would take a severe overdose of THH to inhibit MAO-A.

From Interprise chemical:
"THH is a fluorescent indole alkaloid extracted from B. caapi that inhibits MAO-A and MAO-B with much weaker potency (IC50s = 74 nM and >100 μM, respectively) compared to its companion harmala alkaloids: harmaline (IC50s = 2.5 nM and 25 μM, respectively) and harmine (IC50s = 2 nM and 20 μM, respectively)" https://interpriseusa.com/product/tetrahydro-harmine-10-mg/

Keep in mind, the lower the nM, the higher or stronger the activity. Reading those numbers, you would have to take 30 times the normal dosage of 100mg THH, or 30 x 100 = 3,000mg THH just to equal rima activity of 100mg of harmaline, and it takes at least 100mg of harmaline to activate DMT. That much THH would be an overdose and most likely kill a person. My max is 300mg of THH.

It takes around 150mg of harmine to activate DMT, that would require 5500 mg of THH to do the same.

--> If you remember 69ron, I was not around when he used to post, as I was at the mescaline king forum thenook.org for at least a decade (now extinct) he claimed that THH alone would activate DMT, this is completely un-true, this earned him or her a very bad reputation as people found out after his writing of this, that no such thing was possible.

Bardy said:
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So contrary to what you claim, THH is found in Syrian Rue, but in smaller amounts than Caapi.


When you compare 4.3% harmine and 5.6% harmaline to 0.1% THH, you end up with next to nothing in the seeds as THH.

There is absolutely no significant amount of THH in rue seeds, period...but you can make THH from harmaline in 1.5 hour. Even as a chemist, I spent months trying to make THH from harmaline without using exotic chemicals like TIHKAL, after months of failure, I went into a trance and was given a vision of how to complete the process I was stuck at using an over the counter chemical and explain how to make it simply in link below, I wanted humanity to know how to do this, as I feel it is extremely important.

Hallucinogenic Plants in the Mediterranean Countries, Ioannis D. Passos, Maria Mironidou-Tzouveleki, in Neuropathology of Drug Addictions and Substance Misuse, 2016:
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The content of dried seeds of the plant in harmine is about 4.3% w/w, 5.6% in harmaline, 0.6% in harmalol, and 0.1% in tetrahydroharmine.


https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/neuroscience/tetrahydroharmine

Older Caapi is becoming close to extinct as harvesters have to go further and deeper into the Jungle...hence the over hundred spiritual centers in South America are having to harvest younger cappi with much less tetrahydroharmine, here in link below is an alternative to help conserve while it grows over many years:

Traditional true Ayahuasca has always been (1) Caapi by itself or (2) Caapi with psychotria viridis or Diplopterys cabrerana.

12 reasons THH rocks and how to make her here: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/fpart/all

Nillion, I'm not a vendor nor ever been, you might be thinking of 69ron, I am not 69ron. Lifelong chemist and researcher. Anyways, I cracked the code on how to make THH at home in only 1.5 hour, no exotic chemicals needed like in TIHKAL, more on this below.

Bardy said:
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We get it Tregar. THH makes shrooms better for you. You’ll find that it is a RIMA as well as being an SRI I think.


I'm a life long chemist, and know my chemistry, THH is 100% SRI and not a significant RIMA at all. Harmine is a RIMA, so is harmaline. THH is the 2nd highest alkaloid in caapi, in same family as ibogaine with a 10.5 hour half life with peak at 5.25 hours.

Be careful if you buy THH from china (liftmode) as there have been reports of it not staining blue under UV (like real THH) but green, indicating harmaline is still in it.  Dab a cue tip in vinegar, then take up a bit of your THH, smear on a paper plate, hold under uv light, if it glows blue you got pure thh, if any yellow or green it's contaminated with harmaline.

Freedom said:
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Its kind of odd that no one else seems to have any reports of THH combos, not on erowid or blue light as far as i can tell



Freedom, You will find no reports of THH + mushrooms or THH + LSD cause this is brand new cutting edge, but I've been doing it for many years, gorgeous experience, it's like taking a low dose of mescaline with you shrooms or acid.

THH or tetrahydroharmine is the best kept secret in the psychedlic world:

THH and how to make her (along with many trip reports of 300mg THH by itself):

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/fpart/1/vc/1

More of my research (10 topics), on the cutting edge, and why dmt should always be taken with thh as found in true Ayahuasca:

https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

2 minute formed HPBCD DMT liquid very bioavailable sublingually under tongue & outperforms DMT salts orally by many factors in personal trials, combo with tetrahydroharmine, Ayahuasca.

Part 0: 12 reasons pure THH or tetrahydroharmine rocks (this post #1 in middle)
Part 1: HPBCD complexed DMT experimental dosage, effects & duration, over 44 sublingual DMT experiences over a year's time (this post #1 at bottom). Many times stronger than oral DMT. Updated 1-1-2022.
Part 2: Receptorome chart & explanation
Part 3: Tetrahydroharmine (THH) effects
--> Part 4: Tetrahydroharmine receptorome similarities to mescaline; potentiates cactus & safety note
Part 5: Chemist Patrick Arnold's HPBCD prohormones & bloodwork studies
part 6: Dr. Narang: "with sublingual" or "under the tongue" better than buccal, gingival & palatal, absorption of drugs through the sublingual route is 3 to 10 times greater than oral route and is surpassed by hypodermic injection.
part 7: a little bit on my 70 Ayahuasca experiences, doses & visions
part 8: New research: Morning glory contains 5 stimulating LSD-like drugs, soluble only in wine/alcohol, only sparingly soluble in water
part 9: 20 minute visionary visit from a dead Aztec Shaman
part 10: One way to make pure tetrahydroharmine
part 11: From the archives of DMT world: How to easily extract 2.3g DMT from 170g bark using a 2 liter Erlenmeyer flask
part 12: Out of print writings on the Divine Plant of the Incas, coca leaf visions...and writings on strong euphoria from coca leaf tea bags soaked in wine, forming orally active cocaethylene in the liver, discovered in 1994. Explains the popularity of Vin Mariani (coca leaf soaked wine) with both popes, Thomas Edison and countless celebrities.
part 13: THH + mushrooms report from JKW.
part 14: Multiple encounters with death & depression.

Northerner said:
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It's popular enough if you go and read on dmtnexus. Used with DMT orally though rather than shrooms, but it's very much a thing.


Thank you Northerner. I've been taking dmt with THH for many, many years, here is a compilation of my 50 + trip reports with many pics of the 150mg harmine + 70-300mg THH + 90mg dmt true Ayahuasca capsules:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371/fpart/all

Since harmine has a half life of from 1 to 3 hours, I redose at the 1.5 hour to 2 hour point using only 75mg harmine + 90mg dmt in a single capsule again for a +4 moderately strong experience, as 1/2 the harmine dose is still active from the first dose. You don't have to add anymore THH since THH has a half life of 10.5 hours, peaking at around 5 hours. You can re dose as many times as you want, continues to work strongly.

This gives me a total 4 hour strong trip that is easy to handle, with hours of afterglow. Going beyond 120mg DMT is not recommended, see my trip reports on page 2. I recommend crushing the dmt freebase into fresh aloe vera gel from fresh leaf (*almart carries fresh leaf in grocery section or buy on line, store excess gel in freezer as it only lasts 1 week in fridge, defrost more when needed) only as the polysaccharides in the fresh leaf increase the penetration of the dmt into the intestines by many factors, for an experience that can easily reach +4 to +5 and is all encompassing and super colorful just like real Jungle Ayahuasca, I've noticed no difference in strength between these zero nausea Ayahuasca capsules and real Ayahuasca brew I've prepared from caapi and Hawaiian psychotria.

THH + mushrooms report from JKW:
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Tregar, just wanted to let you know that I finally tried 3 grams of cubensis with 180 mg of THH, and all I can say is WOW! Intense and beautiful like I've never had before, with a definite DMT edge to it.

I've always been a hard-head, needing 4.5+ grams to get anywhere interesting. I've done up to 9 grams, and never got near this intensity.

Just wanted to thank you for the tip. This is the way for me to go form now on.
I look forward to combining THH with DMT.

All the best, and take care.





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Go to bottom of page 3 for an easy pan cyan estero strain grow similar to Asura's grow: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28108398/fpart/3

50 trip reports in this thread.

Modern research has determined that the pan cyan strain of mushrooms with their HIGH NORPSILOCIN + BAEOCYSTIN and related analogues content hit the adrenal receptors with as much force as MESCALINE or DMT, see chart below. Notice how just plain psilocin alone hits the 3 adrenal receptors (responsible for enhanced colors, euphoria, beauty and music enhancement) with lighter activity.



Attached: Structure–Activity Relationships for Psilocybin, Baeocystin, Aeruginascin, and Related Analogues to Produce Pharmacological Effects in Mice, ACS Pharmacol. Transl. Sci. 2022, 5, 11, 1181–1196:

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsptsci.2c00177

by Grant C. Glatfelter*, Eline Pottie, John S. Partilla, Alexander M. Sherwood, Kristi Kaylo, Duyen N. K. Pham, Marilyn Naeem, Grant C. Glatfelter*, Eline Pottie, John S. Partilla, Alexander M. Sherwood, Kristi Kaylo, Duyen N. K. Pham, Marilyn Naeem, Vamshikrishna Reddy Sammeta Vamshikrishna Reddy Sammeta, Stacie DeBoer, James A. Golen, Elliott B. Hulley, Christophe P. Stove, Andrew R. Chadeayne, David R. Manke, and Michael H. Baumann.

Pan cyan vs P. cubensis

"They [Pan cyans] are so much cleaner! The trip is shorter but more intense. The visuals are just incredible. You feel very light compared to cubensis and the headspace is more manageable (at least at lower doses).

"Most intense, euphoric, neon colorful trip that introduced me to pan cyan, most unlike any cubes I have ever had. Way preferred these over cubes. So deeply euphoric and extremely visual with saturated tropical neon colors. From then on I was hooked."

"I didn't really expect how good the differences were from Cube to [Pan cyan] estero. The visuals weren't comparable at all and the euphoria was so wonderful. My 2g trip was literally the best substance experience of my life next to marriage and kids. 10 hours of pure bliss."

"I strongly agree with starting with one-half gram dry. It was a much better experience than any cubes I've tried even at higher doses."

"Cubes gave me mild nausea and made me feel 'shakey'. Not at all so with Pan cyans."

"Less cartoony than cubes. More crisp neon geometric patterns. The trip also feels less tiring."

"Copelandia [Panaeolus] cyanescens are far stronger than cubes and have a distinctly different feel."

"I've eaten pan cyans around the 1g dose - to me it was like 3g of cubies in strength with a different quality to it."

"IMO they [Pan cyans] are a lot better than cubes. No body noise and very intense and clear. More like LSD just a lot shorter. I don't cultivate many actives on a regular basis anymore, but out off all I have experienced to date, these are my favorite."

"Pan Cyan (and Trops) are very much worth the effort!!! I have never eaten any Cubes that were as VISUAL as these are. Not to mention a little goes a LONG ways. Gram and a half of these little fellers will blister your brain!"

"In my humble opinion, I think 1 gram of wet Panaeolus is even better than 1 gram of dry Cubensis, making them 10X more potent [?!?], in addition to the more positive and smooth experience, easier consumption due to amount and taste, and much less nausea."

"My first experience [with Pan cyans] was wonderful! I definitely noticed a big difference in potency and the mood of the trip. I still remember how clean, visual and surreal everything felt. I felt absolutely no body noise or anxiety. They felt very natural to experience, nothing felt wrong if that makes sense."

"Ok, so it's given that [Pan cyan] it's much stronger than cubensis. But I've noticed that there is a difference in the high. Why is that?"

"There's something about Pan Cyan that induces something special that no cube could ever bring, it isn't that it's a clean feeling either - it's something that must deal with happiness in general - so whether it stimulates serotonin production or a mixture of neurochemicals for the best experience, I have had consistently positive experiences with each trip both physiologically and psychologically. I wonder if it has to do with other alkaloids or absence of alkaloids vs cubensis."

"It is my personal view that Hawaiian Copelandia [Panaeolus] cyanescens offers the entheogen user a more enjoyable experience than the more easily cultivated Psilocybe cubensis. In fact I would place it in the premier cru of psychedelic plants, alongside the indigenous Liberty Cap (Psilocybe semilanceata) and the various DMT containing plants."

General comments

"They are the cleanest, smoothest, most peaceful mushroom vibe of all the species I have tried. Panaeolus cyanescens and tropicalis rank #1 in my book."

"They are far and above the cleanest clearest and most potent mushrooms I have ever encountered, tread lightly with these guys."

"SWIM has only consumed the Copelandia cyans (Hawaiian), and reputes them to be the best mushroom experience by far. Very clean trip, zero body load, clear head space."

"The highs real clean. It reminds me of the Felix the cat acid from the 80s. Just smooth. With little body noise and extreme visuals. A calm lucidity that is like a slice of heaven."

"First experience last night with Estero pan cyan. Truly mystical, amazing, and the most beautiful and gentle psychedelic experience to date. Truly a gift."

"I also noticed that cyans have a very smooth comedown and longer duration. What could be the reason for this?"

"Pans are no joke. Anyone who says LSD is more powerful than mushrooms has never done pans."

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Other topics: Alchemy chemistry fun:

Compilation of pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copeandia cyanescens trip reports, crown jewel of mushrooms:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28108398/page/1

How to extract 2.4g dmt from 170g bark using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask (heat and break resistant), post #15:
https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

Tetrahydroharmine or THH and how to make her, Caapi visionary feminine teaching spirit:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/page/1

Zero nausea HPBCD or aloe vera enhanced penetration Ayahuasca capsules:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371/page/1

Cactus tea before waterpark to beat the heat:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28411312/page/4



How to make LSI or Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide (Greek Eleusis ancient LSD) at home from morning glory seeds (the priests used non poisonous claviceps paspali which grows on paspalum grass adjacent to Eleusis present day in the famous Rarian plane, same alkaloid profile as the sacred Mesoamerican morning glory):
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299/page/2

Make your own 1-acetaldehyde LSD at home from LSD, very similar to ALD-52 or the real orange sunshine:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28441105

LSD high dose trip: 20 minute visionary visit from a dead Aztec Shaman:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28451382

On my very first pan cyan mushroom trip, where I went to a house music club tripping with friends, I viewed laser light patterns on the floor of the club, where the women danced, I believe the mushrooms showed me how to form never before seen patterns, as went I went home, over the next several months, I built my own 6 channel audio generator that when these combined frequencies (3 on x channel and 3 on y channel) were sent to a laser x and y galvanometer, were able to produce brand new laser patterns such as collapsing circles and spinning lines 360 degrees which looked beyond belief in the fog as 3-d, I then went on to market these laser scanners to clubs on the strip, and they were a huge success...I owe this creative invention to the mushrooms which sparked new creative energies, way beyond thought, from a higher source where the mushrooms tap into. My love for house music stems back to those days of visiting many clubs as an entertainment laser lighting fixture creator and programmer and making friends with the many DJ's. Over the summer myself and friends were lifeguards at the local water park. But on the weekends we went to parties or house music clubs. 

https://soundcloud.com/discover
https://www.friskyradio.com/
https://jaytechmusic.podbean.com/
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Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens or pan cyan experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD, extremely visual, music enhancing & super euphoric.

myself:
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Very first pan cyan experience: 3 of us ate dried pan cyans on the way to a nightclub playing undergound house music. The road to the club turned into a rollercoaster of neon colors made of purple, yellow, green, super saturated, waving up and down in intense neon colors, just incredible. I looked at my left arm and it was covered in green Alien symbolic hieroglyphics, so wild!

I looked off to the side into the sky and saw 3 alein hyperdimensional beings, small in stature looking back at me, made of purple and yellow colors...we stopped to peak inside the store with crystals inside along the way, all of the crystals in the shop had alien heads in them with open mouths and penetrating eyes, staring back at us, we saw aliens in all of the crystals!

When we got to the nighclub, the woman collecting the $5 to get in, turned into a scary witch, we were all agasp, inside the club, we were some of the first to enter, so not crowded at all, the music sounded so bad ass, the videos playing in the addition rooms grabbed our attention. We each touched the girl's leg who went with us, who was tripping as well, felt like MDMA, the intensity of the touch was incredible. Most intense, euphoric, neon colorful trip that introduced me to pan cyan, most unlike any cubes I have ever had. Way preferred these over cubes. So deeply euphoric and extremely visual with saturated tropical neon colors. From then on I was hooked.

I grow these following Gordotek's simple method further below, when fruiting the spawned trays with the sterile casing layer, I just leave cake pan trays out on a small fold out table with a Kvol hd3 3.5 liter ultrasonic cool mist humidifier pointed at all 3 trays on a timer 1/2 hour on, 1/2 hour off, pointed at all 3 trays on a table close to window in small room that get's warmer than rest of house, fruit just fine in open air. Very simple, nothing elaborate needed. The monsoon is also a great humidifier.

I do use a flow hood however when transferring the grown out mycelium grain jars to the trays when mixing in with the pasteurized manure/straw (spawning stage), AND also later when removing the see thru cake lid covering the white mycelium grown out substrate in the cake pan when applying the sterile 1/4" casing layer. Picture at the very end of trays on table in open air for fruiting. They like a constant 77 degrees F from beginning to end, ie grain jar stage to fruiting stage.

Prefer keeping the 3 grain jars and the 3 cake pans during the lid closed "mycelium substrate grow out" and "open lid, open air fruiting stage" on top of a VIVOHOME 10 Inch x 20.75 Inch Waterproof Seedling Heat Mat with included 40-108°F Digital Thermostat Controller. You could also use a greenhouse Martha tent with controllable temp and a monsoon humidifier with stretchable hose that reaches as high as 66" to the top of the inside of the 63" tall tent to direct humidity downwards to all the trays, only have to refill the monsoon every 2 days.

Buy or make a Laminar flow hood, it's the best investment you will ever make.

*** You can take these pan cyan at the same time as taking 150 to 250mg of pure tetrahydroharmine (not an MAOI or RIMA but a psychedelic SRI or serotonin reuptake inhibitor) and it feels like "organic psilo LSD", powerful combination with super heightened euphoria and visuals and huge powerful music enhancement, stimulating like LSD in combo with the THH, as THH has numerous similarities to mescaline and LSD. I have done this combo numerous times, one of my absolute favorite trip experiences.

I can recommend pan cyans in combo with 150 to 250mg pure tetrahydroharmine, gives an experience that is extremely euphoric, intensely visual and spiritual, a lot like LSD when combined with the THH, one of my absolute favorites of all time.

THH + mushrooms report from JKW:
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Just wanted to let you know that I finally tried 3 grams of cubensis with 180 mg of THH, and all I can say is WOW! Intense and beautiful like I've never had before, with a definite DMT edge to it.

I've always been a hard-head, needing 4.5+ grams to get anywhere interesting. I've done up to 9 grams, and never got near this intensity.

Just wanted to thank you for the tip. This is the way for me to go from now on.
I look forward to combining THH with DMT.

All the best, and take care.



1) bridgesii 600 gram to 800 gram pieces from around the core tea, 350 to 450mg plus mescaline in the tea = 11 out of 10

2) panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms in combo with 150 to 250mg THH, 6 hour incredible experience = 11 out of 10

3) LSD with bridgesii cactus combo = 11 out of 10

4) oral 200mg harmine + 200mg oral THH + sublingual under the tongue DMT, can re-dose under the tongue dmt every hour up to 3 hours = 11 out of 10

Gordotek's pan cyan grow:

https://www.patreon.com/posts/new-simple-tek-44645256 (Gordotek)

https://mycotopia.net/topic/110495-a-simple-method-tek-for-growing-panaeolus-cyanescens-aka-copelandia-cyanescens-hawaiians-blue-meanies-pans-and-pan-cyans/page-2 (Gordotek)

https://www.shroomery.org/8695/Making-Panaeolus-Substrate-Pictorial (Panaeolus substrate pictorial)

https://www.shroomery.org/8421/Panaeolus-cyanescens-FAQ (Panaeolus cyanescens faq)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26836048/fpart/all (Blue Helix)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25987049 (Asura, Cultivating Panaeolus cyanescens)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27637997 (Panaeolus In Mono Tubs 2.0, Baba Yaga)

http://en.psilosophy.info/panaeolus_cyanescens_liquid_culture_to_fruits.html (Panaeolus Cyanescens -- Liquid Culture to Fruits)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25925194 (JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens)

https://mycotopia.net/topic/3295-waylits-pan-cyan-tek-plastic-jars/ (Waylit's Pan cyan Tek-- plastic jars)

https://www.shroomery.org/8695/Making-Panaeolus-Substrate-Pictorial (Making Panaeolus Substrate, Pictorial)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25248773 (Mary Fairchild panaeolus cyanescens Australian variety)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26235096/fpart/all (Pan cyan Martha tent set up thread)

How pure THH or tetrahydroharmine adds to the experiences, here are my experiences combining it with sublingual HPBCD DMT. What I do now is take 200mg of harmine and 200mg of pure THH orally, then 1 hour later once I feel the harmine and THH, I take sublingual HPBCD DMT (around 100mg) hold under tongue for 15 minutes, all dissolves, gives a 1.5 hour very strong extremely euphoric and visual experience, then I re-dose more sublingual DMT at the 1.5 hour point again, holding under tongue, continues to work at full strength, as the oral harmine has a half life of from 1 to 3 hours, continues to work for 3 hours to 5 hours.

I way prefer taking DMT under tongue instead of orally, as zero nausea, goes straight to brain, no dizziness, the only way I use it, very bad ass this way. None of the negatives of oral Ayahausca. There is something about DMT moving thru the stomach that makes it nausea prone, dizzy, and weird and strange, this is all avoided by using it under tongue. The harmine lowers MAO in the brain for 3 to 5 hours, so you can use the dmt under tongue with many re-doses, as it prevents the DMT from being zapped by mitochondria in the brain.

https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

https://mycotopia.net/topic/111979-one-shot-hpbcd-dmt-ayahuasca-and-sublingual-hpbcd-dmt-ayahuasca-absorbs-2-to-3-times-better-than-dmt-salts-masks-taste/

12 reasons pure THH or tetrahydroharmine rocks:
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0. THH is not an MAOI or a RIMA but a psychedelic serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SRI) found in caapi with many similarities to mescaline. She is a feminine teaching spirit.

1. Part 10 of the first linked paper above: shows how to convert harmaline to pure THH in 1.5 hour for the first time (very fast) with 75% yield. TIHKAL THH entry also achieved 75% yield. Post also shows how to dip a cue tip in vinegar to wet, take up a bit of the THH, smear on a paper plate to check the blue glow under blacklight to make sure it is pure. Any green in the glow means you still have un-converted harmaline, but follow instructions and you won't have any unconverted.

--> Please do this UV check even if you source THH from China (liftmode paperwork indicates Chinese made), as there have been a few reports of it glowing green and not pure light blue with the vinegar swabbed UV check, indicating there is still harmaline in the THH, it would not be a good idea to take even light amounts of harmaline with shrooms, you want only pure THH...either make it yourself or source it from a reputable supplier. THH is an SRI and harmaline is a RIMA, completely different substances <--

1. Dennis Mckenna Ph.D: page 115:
Thus, tetrahydroharmine may prolong the half-life of DMT by blocking it's intraneuronal uptake, and hence, its inactivation by MAO, localized in mitochondria within the neuron.
In my experience, THH doubles the half-life of DMT, so when used sublingually or orally, you get a full strong 90 minutes out of it with long afterglow.

2. She is in the same beta-carboline family as ibogaine. She is the 2nd highest alkaloid in Caapi. She has a 10.5 hour half-life with peak at 5.25 hours.

3. DMT only colors are subdued and dark, but THH brightens the DMT visuals: out of this world impossible bright neon colors are a trait of high dose oral tetrahydroharmine + moderate dose 60 to 70mg+ sublingual or oral HPBCD DMT: neon red-greens, neon orange-blues, neon purple-yellows.

4. DMT does not block serotonin on it's own, but THH does...this results in not only stimulation but euphoria in combo with the DMT: and real Ayahuasca visions become apparent...important teamwork. Ibogaine, LSD, mescaline, shrooms, 5-meo-dmt, bufotenin in Amazonian snuffs, all block serotonin, THH blocks serotonin.

5. THH has numerous similarities to mescaline, she is like the beta-carboline version of mescaline, few people have used her over 100mg. I have seen the receptorome chart for THH vs. mescaline. She not only blocks serotonin like mescaline, but agonizes all 3 adrenal receptors A1-A3 associated with beauty and aesthetic enhancement, just like mescaline. Beauty enhancement is "over the top" when THH is included, she is diamondlike shimmering in her beauty.

Actresses on TV will look like dazzling glowing super-colorful cartoon versions of themselves (just like with high dose cactus tea) only if you include the THH. Researchers have called THH the "tryptamine of the beta-carboline world" and rightly so.

6. THH is found in average 150mg in a cup of Caapi based Ayahuasca tea, when 2 cups are drank by some of the more advanced members for evening at the vegetals (UDV, Santo Daime, Shuar Indian) people are consuming around 300mg of THH.

7. Music will only sound bad-ass incredible if you include from 150mg to 300mg oral THH with your sublingual or oral DMT. Listening to music on THH + DMT is like listening to music on high dose cactus tea: heavenly, infinitely beautiful music enhancement, every voice and instrument stands out on it's own, like hearing a song for the very first time.

8. This pure THH at 300mg all by herself is extremely visual, she's an isomer of a hormone like substance made in the brain naturally.

9. The entry in TIHKAL for 300mg THH is completely wrong, where the unexperienced person compares it to the effects of 100mg harmaline. She is nothing at all like harmaline, and like 69ron once said about the person's comment in TIHKAL, he or she would not be able to tell their ass from their elbow. I agree, what complete nonsense. Dr. Shulgin wrote that he never got the chance to try THH, but wrote that more studies on it are "badly needed."

10. professor8 (found here from 11/1/2010 he writes like a poet w/special powers of imagination & expression):
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A while back I read a very good explanation of the different effects of Harmalas that has stuck with me. I believe it was 69ron that said: ‘Harmine is the Coffee of the harmalas & Harmaline is the Weed and when it comes to THH (tetrahydroharmine) you have The Light.'

While very similar in molecular structure, THH has a completely different personality to Harmine & Harmaline. Calling it The Light of the harmalas is very appropriate. IMHO, it is the Holy Grail of The Harmalas. I have found Harmine very, very helpful in Meditation & Yoga. It energises your Light Body and allows you to see your Chakras & Auric fields; very helpful in a biofeedback sorta way.

Personally, Harmaline is too heavy & stony for me but I do respect its power and personality, kinda like a big shaggy & lovable dog.

Tetrahydroharmine (THH) has the ability to raise your vibration in a most powerful, yet subtle way. It brings a crystalline prismy texture to spice and adds a super clear watery dimension to Aya, like looking down through 10meters of shimmering Caribbean Sea on clear blue day. It brings a dimension of pure light to the entheogenic experience and encourages entities & intelligences of only the Highest Order. If one is not accustomed to perceiving these experiences with a spiritual perspective most of the nuances & subtleties THH brings on are overlooked and remain unseen and one would better enjoy Harmaline as a house painter chooses a roller over a brush, its about preference & choice..



Espiridion:
Quote:

Tetrahydroharmine is much more like mescaline.



11. Trips (from here on 12/2/2011):
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As to how the THH altered the experience -> I find rue extract+DMT to be very similar to mushrooms. I found the THH added to the rue+DMT to shift the experience to a state much closer to that provided by LSD. It was more clear, more energetic, more focused, and when confusion struck it was definitely more "acid-like".



The world is moving in the direction of the Left Brain: technology and science. What the world needs is to move in the direction of Right Brain development: empathy, spirituality, connectedness. Compounds like tetrahydroharmine in Caapi could be said to improve emotional intelligence. Is this component of caapi a smart-nutrient for the right side of the brain? you be the judge.

At 300mg of THH all by itself, there are heavy open-eyed tracers like lightening flashes, and hours of teaching closed eye visions that start with colored sparkles and fireworks (red, green, yellow, blue) that dart around and progress into full-fledged way-beyond 4k visions with eyes closed that are not only static but often animated like slow and high speed movies, but all one monochrome color like green or blue for me, when you add DMT, the visions then become colored and patterning on animals for example will display their associated colors, DMT also adds on to or builds on top the THH visions, expanding them, but the teachings and insights & visions are credited to the Vine, just as Gayle Highpine writes in linked paper:

12. Gayle Highpine (Ayahuasca researcher): http://www.ayahuasca.com/amazon/botany-ecology/unraveling-the-mystery-of-the-origin-of-ayahuasca/
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The vine carries the content of the message, the teaching, and the insight. The purpose of drinking Ayahuasca is to receive the message the vine imparts.



Page 154 of "Various Alkaloid Profiles in Decoctions of Banisteriopsis Caapi, 2005": https://kodu.ut.ee/~hellex/aya/kirjandus/keemia/Callaway2005.pdf
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The average ratio of THH to harmine in the vegetals (traditional brews) was consistently near 1:1, from all sources (table 2), while this ratio was closer to 1:5 in a large survey of source plant material. It is presently unclear whether harmaline is being chemically reduced to THH during the acidic process of decoction.



Dr. Callaway wrote in "The Entheogen Review":
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However, in a broad (as yet unpublished) survey of Banisteriopsis caapi, Psychotria viridis and subsequent teas, which included phytochemical analyses of all, plus subjective ratings of the teas, a strong correlation was found with teas that contained high amounts of THH and not DMT! This rating was from a large body of experienced users (regular União).



THH blocks serotonin, just like all the major natural oral psychedelics, serotonin blocking results in stimulation, breaking down of barriers and filters, direct access to divine spiritual world, increased visionary power, major beauty, color and music enhancement, euphoria in combo with the DMT. DMT does not block serotonin but requires THH in combo to do this, important teamwork.

5-ht1a agonism is inhibitory and results in serotonin blockage (over 80% of brain 5-ht). Thomas S. Ray's study shows a value of 3.57 at SERT for Ibogaine (4.00 is max). Ibogaine has been shown to inhibit serotonin transporter (SERT) noncompetitively, in contrast to all other known inhibitors, which are competitive with substrate. Ibogaine inhibits both serotonin and dopamine reuptake transporters, it is an SDRI or serotonin & dopamine reuptake inhibitor. THH or tetrahydroharmine also inhibits the serotonin reuptake transporter (SERT).

In contrast, as an example, Cocaethylene (coca leaf tea bags soaked in wine, the orally active & potent ingredient formed in the liver from cocaine + ethanol in the 1860's "Vin Mariani" wine popular with both Popes, Thomas Edison and scores of other famous people) increases the levels of serotonergic, noradrenergic, and dopaminergic neurotransmission in the brain by inhibiting the action of the serotonin transporter, norepinephrine transporter, and dopamine transporter. These pharmacological properties make cocaethylene a serotonin-norepinephrine-dopamine reuptake inhibitor [SNDRI; also known as a "triple reuptake inhibitor"].



Dr. Nichols (Purdue Scientist authorized to study LSD, from Heffter.org LSD paper): https://www.heffter.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/chap6.pdf
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LSD has very strong potency in blocking the action of serotonin. LSD is strongly "anti-serotonin". The morpholide lysergamide cousin had only about 1/10th the potency in blocking serotonin. Of the 5 diferent dialkylamides we studied LSD was the most potent and specific serotonin antagonist.5-ht1a makes up >80% of brain 5-ht receptors.



waylitjim (April 2005):
https://mycotopia.net/topic/3347-panaeolus-cyanescens-merged/
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Ever wonder why many consider the Panaeolus experience incredibly unique?

"They are the cleanest, smoothest, most peacefull mushroom vibe of all the species I have tried. Panaeolus cyanescens and tropicalis rank #1 in my book."

"the highs real clean . its reminds me of the phelix the cat acid from the 80s . just smooth . with little body noise and extreme visuals . a calm lucidty that is like a slice of heaven"

"Pan Cyan (and Trops) are very much worth the effort!!! I have never eaten any Cubes that were as VISUAL as these are. Not to mention a little goes a LONG ways. Gram and a half of these little fellers will blister your brain!"

Psilocybin and psilocin are part of the tryptamine family. Their chemical structure bears close resemblance to that of serotonin.

"The occurrence of tryptamine derivatives in Panaeolus cyanescens, also known as Copelandia cyanescens, from Australia, Hawaii and Thailand were investigated. All 70 collections contained psilocin, serotonin and urea. Those from Hawaii were also relatively rich in psilocybin, whereas the species from Australia and Thailand were virtually exempt of this compound.

It is not unthinkable that the ability to biosynthesize psilocin in a number of Panaeolus is a consequece of a genetic accident: initially, these members of the genus probably produced more or important qualites of serotonin until a mutation conferred the ability to produce 4-hydroxylated tryptamines. So far, not other genus or species has been found to accomplish this feat!"

Partial reference from:
Stijve, T. (1992): Psilocin, psilocybin, serotonin and urea in Panaeolus cyanescens from various origin

waylitjim:
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Even with lower levels of psilocybin, Panaeolus are still more potent than Cubensis. Why? Because by weight psilocin is around 1.4 times more potent than psilocybin.

The primary active ingredients of psilocybe mushrooms are psilocybin and psilocin, and to a lesser extent baeocystin and norbaeocystin. The ratio of psilocybin to psilocin varies from species to species.

The primary difference is that psilocin is unstable and it breaks down in the presence of oxygen. If the mushrooms are dried correctly and kept cold, they should suffer very little psilocin break down. Psilocybin on the other hand has been found in a 115-year old mushroom sample.

It is believed that after injestion, psilocybin is easily converted into psilocin and that the pharmacological properties of both compounds are the same.

Asura:
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Pan cyans are faster than cubes and 3-4x more potent. 2g is a full on DMT-like, level 5 trip, so while your yield is less...your magic content is more...and the trips are insanely good. It's the most potent species anyone has a chance of doing indoors with significant yield.

They are harder to fruit but there are plenty of people killing it right now with low tech setups.

I would love to help out on the science...but I am not tripping right now. I could probably recruit some folks on the official pan thread, though.

The link in my sig details how I cultivate them, but an ideal time line is something like:
1. Agar wedge to LC. 5 days to grow out.
2. LC to substrate = 10 days to grow out
3. substrate to tray = 5 days to recover.
4. Case and fruit = 5 days until first pins.

So, wedge to first pins in 25 days. About 3-5 days to harvest. 2nd-x flushes will also be done in 3-5 days. If someone could figure
out how to get the yield and make it as easy as cubes, I'm pretty sure most people would grow these.

I am averaging about 32g dried for one tray (3 quarts substrate), which doesn't sound like much -  but that is 16 full on level 5 trips from that.

If I lemon tek 2g of pans it is overpowering. Like forced VR or something. My eyelids cease to exist and the inside of my head and the outside
of my head are one space. Time loops. Living 1000 life times. Alien landscapes. Vision quests. You name it. It's pretty fucking intense and scary
to be honest...I don't do it that often :lol:

A 1g dose is heavenly, though, and much more manageable. Tea makes it easier. Lemon tek is like taking a strong cube trip and compressing it. The
trip moves really, really fast. It's speeded up. The come up is very disorienting. Like not only are you are tripping hard, you're also in a barrel
going over Niagara Falls.

Gordotek:
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3 DIC 2020 A LAS 21:26
New simple method (TEK) for growing Panaeolus cyanescens (aka Copelandia cyanescens, Hawaiians, blue meanies, Pans and Pan cyans):

https://www.patreon.com/posts/new-simple-tek-44645256?l=es

Estero strain available here:

https://sporesfast.com/product-category/species-panaeolus-cyanescens/6cc-pan-cyan-syringe-kits/

Q: Can I buy a kit for this?

A: YES! See: https://www.patreon.com/posts/63406767 You will still need to buy a spore syringe and make grain spawn BEFORE buying the kit (or get a free spore print and make your own syringe or put the spores to agar). 

June 10 at 7:09 PM, https://www.patreon.com/posts/67621105

Comparison of Estero (Pan cyan) and Albino Penis Envy (Cubensis) mushrooms via Thin Layer Chromatography: https://www.patreon.com/posts/67621105
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I will create a video explaining how to do this type of analysis, but for now I just wanted to show everyone a comparison between these species.  Albino Penis Envy (APE) is widely considered to be one of the most potent cubensis cultivars, it was heavily represented in the latest psilocybin cup (if you want to see my comments/critique of the cup, click the link and scroll down to the bottom where comments are shown, to see comments on a phone you may have to tap settings (in chrome for example)->desktop view). 

So how does APE stack up against Estero (pan cyan)?

Each dot in the picture above represents a chemical compound (these are labeled on the left). They are in two vertical columns, so the left side from top to bottom is all Estero, right side is APE.  Starting with the two most important, look at the psilocybin and psilocin content - quantification is not precise, but you can estimate based on spot size and darkness, the Estero cultivar is approximately three times as potent as APE (and it would have easily blown all other entries out of the water had it been submitted to the psilocybin cup).  This should be a reminder to all to dose appropriately (pan cyan holds the record for most potent mushroom species in the world as per published research). 

If you normally take 3 grams of cubensis, try 1g of Estero.  It is always better to start with a lower dose and see how you respond before trying anything higher (you may want to start with just 0.5g).  There is NO PRIZE for taking the highest dose, in fact there is no documented benefit of any dose beyond about 35mg psilocybin equivalent, just more fear & anxiety for most people.

But there's more to it than just triple the psilocybin and psilocin, Estero also contains baeocystin (hard to see, but its there), urea (quite a bit), and serotonin.  None of these compounds can be seen at all in APE.  Could these be partly responsible for the difference in anecdotes from user experiences on Estero?

Here are some comments people have sent on this subject:
   
    "I strongly agree with starting with one-half gram dry.  It was a much better experience than any cubes I've tried even at higher doses."
   
    "Cubes gave me mild nausea and made me feel 'shakey'.  Not at all so with Pan cyans"
   
    "Penis Envy is and has been overrated. I think any other well sourced Cube is just the same. It’s that cultural conditioning at play."
   
    "lol who needs cubes when you can have Cyanescens!  I’ve blessed a few people with them and they are now believers lol."
   
    "When Estero kicked in, I wasn’t disappointed.  At one point I forgot I ate Cyanescens and thought I was on a DMT ride!  As often happens to me on DMT I was 'connected' to some kind of power cord or machine umbilical that was coming from my wall straight towards me and plugged into my third eye!  And I felt the presence of a cosmic nurse at my side. Like she had her hand in my shoulder reassuring me all was ok!  Then I was like “f*** I ate mushrooms this ain’t a DMT trip” :wink:
   
    "I've taken enough cubes to know Estero is different... 2 grams. Most amazing experience of my life. 10 hours. And another two hours of happiness watching TV and talking about my experience with my wife. In the end I just want to thank you. No comparison."
   
    "OMG, OMG, O. M. G. Had my first deeply religious experience on 2g [estero] yesterday. I have never felt anything like it in my life. It was truly incredible."
   
    "I ended up taking a 1 gram of Estero since I’m used to taking 3-4 grams of cubensis. Man…you were not kidding about the potency of these. 1 gram easily felt like 4-4.5 grams of cubensis to me.  These were by far the best visuals on mushrooms I’ve ever had.  Also, the euphoria was quite intense, and giggle sessions were uncontrollable.  All in all, I love pan cyans and they’ll likely be my go to. I’ll likely still grow cubensis for microdosing as well as less potency for sharing with others."
   
    "Experienced people do sometimes doubt ones sanity trying to explain just how deep Estero gets on what some call a "micro dose" the pan experience for me is the most rewarding substance I've ever ingested and half reduced my dose and frequency of use to fine tune the benefits, plus stopped using synthetic drugs completely and have been experiencing recovery i didn't really know I need but pretty sure i do."
   
    "I didn't really expect how good the differences were from Cube to estero. The visuals weren't comparable at all and the euphoria was so wonderful. My 2g trip was literally the best substance experience of my life next to marriage and kids. 10 hours of pure bliss." [Gordo note: 2g is too much for most people, be cautious]
   
    "Funny because I went to an Ayahuasca ceremony in May and the Shaman told me to start growing pans... he said, “Cubes are for the people. Pans are for the elevated.”
   
    "First experience last night with Estero pan cyan. Truly mystical, amazing, and the most beautiful and gentle psychedelic experience to date. Truly a gift."
   
    "There's something about Pan Cyan that induces something special that no cube could ever bring, it isn't that it's a clean feeling either - it's something that must deal with happiness in general - so whether it stimulates serotonin production or a mixture of neurochemicals for the best experience, I have had consistently positive experiences with each trip both physiologically and psychologically. I wonder if it has to do with other alkaloids or absence of alkaloids vs cubensis"

One of this years funniest/best psychedelic reveals was the guy who actually came up with Penis Envy (the best selling cubensis cultivar of all time), when interviewed by Hamilton Morris essentially said (my paraphrase) 'Eh, it's still just a cube, and cubes don't do it for me. I find the Cyanescens far superior (they have entities)!'

Haha. So the guy who created the most popular cubensis cultivar in the world doesn't even like cubensis.  Eventually I think most in the grower community will come to prefer other species.  I would still like to see some reputable published research comparing user experience by species (this is challenging to do but worth a try).  As an aside, if you listen to that Hamilton interview, the PE guy says a lot of "out there" things that deserve to be challenged, every so called claim of "supernatural powers" has always failed rigorous testing and he is no exception. 

The psychedelic community has a long history of nonsense associated with it, and as far as I'm concerned, its time to do things differently, and I will always call out the nonsense.  I have plenty more to say about Casteneda, astral projection, and more, but don't want to get side tracked.

Love life, stay strong, and be well.

https://www.patreon.com/posts/22774475
gordotek FAQ

https://www.patreon.com/posts/63406767
New "Grass Lover" mushroom grow kit (for pan cyan or any other grass lover species)

https://sporesfast.com/product/spore-print-panaeolus-cyanescens-multiple-varieties-copy/
estero syringe

March 5 at 8:40 AM
New "Grass Lover" mushroom grow kit (for pan cyan or any other grass lover species)

I'm really excited about this because I have been trying to get a vendor to make kits suitable for my pan cyan TEK for more than a year and no one seemed able or willing to do it, people have been asking me where they could buy the substrate, etc. and I had no good source UNTIL TODAY!  Midwest grow kits finally put together a kit that matches my recommended specifications.  As far as I know, they are the ONLY vendor out there that is selling a kit like this.  I'm also very pleased with where they priced it (currently just $35).  Their kit includes properly pasteurized manure/straw based substrate (3 hour hot water immersion bath pasteurization process) with separate casing mix and the kit even includes the cake pans with clear lids.  So with this kit, all a person will need is the grain spawn and a humidifier (note that they even sell a pretty cool looking humidifier with a long bendable hose that has great reviews so if you need a humidifier you might consider that too).

Midwest set me up with an affiliate link which I am very grateful for, any sales that happen after clicking my link help support this channel but I'm not promoting this just because I have an affiliate link, this is genuinely the only kit of its kind on the internet that I know of and the price is unbeatable too.

https://midwestgrowkits.referralrock.com/l/1GORDOTEK90/GrassLoversKit

If the link doesn't take you directly to it, type "grass lover" into the search bar (the humidifier and grain jars should show up at the bottom of the grass lover kit page as well if you want those items).

Note:  I wouldn't promote this without testing it first, they sent me an early version of the kit, I will probably make a full video review of the kit and add to this post when I have more to share, but for now I'll just say that everything looks fantastic!  There was enough substrate in the kit to make 3 standard size cake pans, and the Estero cultivar RIPPED though this substrate reaching full colonization in  4-5 days with no signs of contamination.  Looks to me like they got it right.

So someone who wanted to simplify the process of growing pan cyans could just order some sterile grain jars (Midwest also sells those),  order a spore syringe (as far as I know, only one vendor sells Estero spore syringes) just inject the grain jars, wait for colonization, order the grass lover kit, dump the substrate from the kit into the cake pan that also comes with the kit, dump the colonized grains on top of that, mix, cover with clear lids, wait for colonization (preferably in warm temps 75-85F), then remove the clear lids and add the casing mix from the kit,  humidify on a timer or spray down heavily several times per day, and you should get nice yields.  Couldn't be much easier than that.


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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens or pan cyan experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: tregar]
    #28108400 - 12/22/22 09:23 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

joedirt:
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It is well worth the effort. It took me a while to get it right and the yields are no where near what I can do for cubes.
However, Pan Cyan's are a MUCH smoother trip IMHO. I don't notice much of the dark anxious come up that I typically go through with cubes.

Cubes are an old ally, but once I finally procured pan cyan spores and grew them it was a game changer.

Also another think I really like about Pan's Cyan's. They are small mushrooms. I measure dose size by the number of shrooms.

1-3 threshold.
3-5 solid trip.
5-8 hard trip. (Have not done, just my estimate)
8+ heroic dose. (Have not done. Just an estimate)

I like to just toss 1-2 pan cyan caps into a batch of aya instead of MHRB.

Yeah man I'm guessing you will love Pan Cyans.

https://inoculatetheworld.com/pan-cyans-vs-cubensis/
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To learn more about the cultivation of these mushrooms, please refer to Jake Oncid’s “Jok Tek” on the Shroomery.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PsilocybinMushrooms/comments/rycjsa/effects_of_pan_cyans_vs_cubes/

7456312589123698741
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Cyans are definitely more potent. I have repeatedly experienced ego death from doses around 2.5g while an eighth of cubes just gave me cool visuals.

free the weed:
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Cyans are more potent by a large margin. When grown indoors on a proper substrate I never take more than 1.5g of potent panaeolus species. 0.75 to 1g is my comfort zone.

TheNotoriousBIIIG
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They are so much cleaner ! The trip is shorter but more intense. The visuals are just incredible. You feel very light compared to cubensis and the headspace is more manageable ( at least at lower doses). Weird thing about them is that they contain serotonin. Maybe that can explain the difference in effects ?

A bit harder than cubes but not by much ! They require precise temp ( higher than cubes and they almost can't survive under ~22°c). They also require manure and a casing. But other than that it's basically the same as cubes in terms of difficulty. The mycelium is way more agressive so they're actually faster to grow

Samwise2512
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I would recommend trying them for yourself and making up your own mind. In my experience, different species definitely seem to have their own distinct flavour or character, and this seems to be the general consensus from experienced growers and psilonauts as well as Mexican indigenous groups who have used numerous species.

I know of multiple growers who refuse to consume Cubensis having sampled Pan cyans for themselves, and there is likely a reason for this. For myself, the Pan cyans are one of my favourite mushrooms, and in fact I rate them among the best drug experiences I have ever encountered.

Consistently really beautiful and blissful, I find them to induce a really clear, clean, lucid, crystalline experience, with really detailed and colourful shimmering visuals and deep euphoria, and they seem smoother on my mind and body than Cubensis, despite their much greater potency by weight. I don't get any body load or noise when I ingest Pan cyan...they hit like organic psilo LSD.

By comparison, Cubensis can sometimes feel a bit muddy/foggy, and can be a little more emotionally unstable or darker in nature and just not as clear and I tend to feel more 'drunk' on them. Pan cyans being more potent feel like a purer and more distilled psilocybin experience to me. I can sometimes feel a bit more weighed down with Cubensis while Pan cyans don't have this effect.

Because you only need a gram and upwards dried of Pan cyans for a really immersive psychedelic experience, I think the fact you don't need to eat as much actual fungal material makes it easier on your guts and system, and this in turn influences the feel of the trip because of the lack of distracting body noise or load.

So yeah I highly recommend them. Also if you can grow Cubensis from scratch you can definitely grow Pan cyans. I've also found Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybin azurescens, Psilocybe hoogshagenii, Psilocybe mexicana and Psilocybe cyanescens to have their own flavour or character that to me appears to be consistent across sessions - i.e. I don't feel the differences are all entirely down to external set and setting factors.

I concur 100% with this! I think people who think psilocybin mushrooms are all the same have never sampled Pan cyans...the induce a much higher order experience than P. cubensis, IMO. For me the "Hawaiian" strain of Pan cyan reliably and consistently yields a much cleaner, clearer, lighter, more lucid, colourful, crystalline, visionary and blissful, serene state of bemushroomed consciousness, while being very smooth on the body, than P. cubensis, with a much easier coming up period, and much less of a body load than the latter, which tends to produce a foggier, muddier, more lethargic experience, more likely to induce mental turbulence, dark trips and weird alien archetype experiences.

It is worth noting that P. cubensis tends to be shunned for shamanic use by indigenous Mexican psilocybe using groups. Of all the species I've sampled so far (P. cubensis, P. semilanceata, P. cyanescens, P. galindoi, Pan cyanescens), the latter are definitely my favourite.

Other species held in very regard by indigenous Mexican shamans for their experiential qualities include P. mexicana, P. hoogshagenii, P. caerulescens and P. zapotecorum which I think are also worthy of exploration.

Regarding the higher reported serotonin levels, serotonin cannot pass the blood brain barrier so will not have a pharmacological influence on one's trip. However trypotophan and other serotonin/psilocybin precursors in the mushroom may be bioactive to some degree, and amounts and proportions of these are going to vary with species (and other factors) alongside the psilocybin/psilocin/baeocystin/norbaeocystin levels.

I suspect the presence of these other compounds could modulate the mushroom experience to some degree, alongside the main active compounds. More potent mushrooms like Pan cyans seem consistently cleaner, clearer, more distilled in essence than P. cubensis, which to me feels a little diluted and more foggy in comparison, possibly due to effect of other secondary compounds, which you are consuming in relatively larger amounts given the mushroom's lower potency.

An interesting and relevant study on Panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms you may well already have encountered:

http://repository.naturalis.nl/document/569927

I largely agree, and you're right about the serotonin. However trypotophan and other serotonin/psilocybin precursors in the mushroom may be bioactive to some degree, and amounts and proportions of these are going to vary with species (and other factors) alongside the psilocybin/psilocin/baeocystin/norbaeocystin.

I suspect the presence of these other compounds could modulate the mushroom experience to some degree, alongside the main active compounds. More potent mushrooms like Pan cyans seem consistently cleaner, clearer, more distilled in essence than P. cubensis, which to me feels a little diluted and more foggy in comparison, possibly due to effect of other secondary compounds, which you are consuming in relatively larger amounts given the mushroom's lower potency.

I've only sampled the Hawaiian strain of Pan cyan, but I think they're fantastic. Definitely at least 2x as potent, but also very smooth and easy on one's system compared to Cubensis which can have more of a body load, I think the fact you don't need to eat as much actual fungal material makes it easier on your guts, and that alone changes the feel of them. Closer to LSD in this regard, but obviously with the earthy feel of the mushroom.

Pan cyans for me have consistently yielded a really beautiful and blissful bemushroomed state, I find them to reliably induce a really clean, clear, crystalline experience, and much more colorful than Cubensis with really detailed shimmering visuals and deep euphoria.

By comparison Cubensis can sometimes feel a bit muddy/foggy, more prone to dark-tinged experiences (sometimes without an obvious reason; things can just feel off), and just not as clean/clear feeling and I tend to feel more 'drunk' on them. I can sometimes feel a bit more weighed down with Cubensis while Pan cyans don't have this effect. Great mushrooms I can definitely recommend highly.

u/Cuck_Liddell
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5 years ago, trip Report: Panaeolus Cyanescens are the true Magic Mushroom. I'm never growing or consuming Cubensis again.

So a bit of background: For the past 5 months I've been depressed and unemployed, and I've had nothing but bad trips on Cubensis in that time, where I feel extreme dread and hopelessness, ruminating on what a piece of shit I've been my whole life, and sometimes being borderline suicidal. I'd been growing shrooms since I already had the materials, and wanted to occupy my time. Despite being depressed and supposedly knowing better, I'd trip hoping to gain some new insight, only to have yet another extremely harsh, difficult experience. Repeat this at least 6 times.

Then I had my first harvest of Jamaican Panaeolus Cyanescens. For those that don't know, these are considered by many experienced members of the psychedelic community, including one of the oldest and most prolific spore suppliers (Ryche Hawk of mushrooms.com and previously thehawkseye.com), to be the highest regarded psilocybin mushroom. They are much more potent than Cubensis, with reports of being 3-7 times more potent, and also contain serotonin, which is unusual for psilocybin mushrooms. People describe them as having a smoother, more positive trip than Cubensis, and cause much less nausea due having to consume less.

Anyway, despite knowing it was probably a bad idea due to only having bad trips for the past 5 months, I decided to consume my entire harvest of Pans, 24.2g fresh in a lemon smoothie. I just had to test them and see if they would really give me a different, and hopefully positive experience. They tasted much better than disgusting, funky, musty Cubensis, and didn't make me gag like cubes do. I watched a short 30min film (The Man Who Planted Trees) to wait for them to kick in. I began to feel the familiar heavy body feeling and after the movie, I turn off the lights and lie down and close my eyes to see and think and feel what is to come.

Mushroom visuals are always different and impossible to describe, so I'll skip trying for the most part, though they were impossibly beautiful. What came first was a sense of the energy of the universe taking me in on a wonderful cosmic journey. During my previous bad trips, I'd always felt like I wasn't good enough, but here I was being shown emphatically that I was, and everything that worried me didn't matter. I felt extreme awe and gratitude at not just the journey I was on, but just being alive, just existing. Soon, just the act breathing deeply became an exercise in loving myself. After a while of being in awe at The Other Side, I opened my eyes to see my dark room covered in geometric fractals.

It was like the universe was saying, "How dare you even think of having any remotely negative thought? Let me show you how wonderful and beautiful everything is." Throughout the trip, I was laughing and smiling more genuinely than I ever have in my life just to exist and be alive. Even the terms "laughing" and "smiling" don't do any remote justice for what I was doing. I was in an absolute fit of love and joy at the beauty of existence. I was able to forgive myself for what a piece of shit I'd been and everyone who had wronged me. Even as I puked painfully into a tote I wisely put down beforehand, I was grateful for even the experience of puking. This bliss continued for several hours. This was my second true breakthrough, the first being one where I took 28g of Cubensis in tea and unfortunately lost control and made a huge insane ruckus, flipping my mattress, trashing my room, and waking the neighbors. Learning a valuable lesson from the first time, I was able to just take in the experience in a more controlled way. Despite being my second breakthrough and taking possibly the highest regarded species, the experience exceeded my wildest expectations.

I began to return to normal, and before going to sleep and after waking up, there was quite an afterglow and I could enjoy mundane things in an extent that I normally wouldn't in the weeks before. Though Cubensis also gives such an afterglow even after harsh, negative trips, both the afterglow and the trip quality and positivity of Panaeolus Cyanescens completely blows Cubensis out of the water. They're not even in the same league, and compared to Pans, Cubes are fucking garbage. I'm finishing growing the Cubensis trays I've already colonized and tossing my 32 quart jars of Cubensis with some coir outside in a completely half assed outdoor patch, only for experimentation and because I hate waste. From now on, I'm never growing or consuming Cubensis again. I can see now why the native Mexicans regarded Cubensis as the least desirable psychedelic mushroom. Cubensis are just the easiest psilocybin mushroom to grow, but Panaeolus are the true Magic Mushroom.

Random Notes:

-There are other contenders for the highest regarded psilocybin mushroom, like the woodlovers Psilobybe Cyanescens and Azurescens, which have a higher raw potency, and Psilocybe Mexicana, the sclerotia producing species known as Teonanacatl, or "Flesh of the Gods." Mexicana were the highest regarded by the native Mexicans, and it's possible Cubensis and even Paneolus weren't as highly regarded because, being dung lovers, they were a possible invasive species and reminder of European conquest. Woodlovers, while being extremely potent, are well known to have the side effect of temporary paralysis.

-The all encompassing forgiveness doesn't dramatically change yourself for the rest of your life and for me it wore off for the most part within 2 days. Still, it was quite an amazing feeling and I don't want to downplay it too much.

-Though I managed to keep it together this time, it's very easy to imagine someone losing their shit during a breakthrough, as I did during my first. Take extreme caution. The first time, I'm very lucky I didn't hurt myself, break anything, or get arrested or committed to the mental hospital.

-I'm not entirely sure if my positive experience was due to the fact that I took the much stronger, serotonin containing Pans. Before this, I thought I'd need to get my life together or at least be on the right path in order to have a good trip. I've had equally intense visuals on Cubensis as this Panaeolus trip, but had a bad trip, so I don't think it was the sheer amount of actives I consumed that gave me such a great experience. I'm eager to do more research and testing.

-Though I now consider it the best experience of my life, trumping my previous breakthrough where I tripped even harder and was generally happier with life, it was not completely without negatives. It was more like a crash of emotions, but wasn't anywhere near as negative or dreadful as the feeling Cubensis gave me. More like an honest, but more gentle assessment of my life. This much more manageable mindset only lasted about an hour towards the end of the trip, and I was happy again. I've still heard people can have bad experiences on Panaeolus Cyanescens, but it surprised me to have such an amazing trip at the end of a particularly bad day. It's possible my negativity was all tapped out, IDK...

-In my humble opinion, I think 1 gram of wet Panaeolus is even better than 1 gram of dry Cubensis, making them 10X more potent, in addition to the more positive and smooth experience, easier consumption due to amount and taste, and much less nausea. Of course, it's a bit unfair to compare wet to dry, and it's also possible my Cubensis just suck due to genetics, growing conditions, skill, etc.

w0rdnerd
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I haven't tripped on Panaeolus Cyanescens in years! You're totally right that the experience blows cubes outta the water. I'll always love cubensis, but Panaeolus Cyanescens Hawaii and Mexicana are by far my favorite species to explore.

Thanks for the detailed trip report, I'm inspired to start to some plates. My last Pan Hawaiian and Pan Cambos plates tammed out or didn't ta

w0rdnerd
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You're so right about the come up and body load with Pans! It's one of the reasons why Pan Cyans and Mexicana are my favorites to explore! Cubes always make me feel so heavy and I often find myself myself having to lay down until the come down starts.

Umaiqi
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It looks very introspective. I like the details ! Do you know about serotonin effect ? I didn't read anything about it, do you have the source please ?
Speaking about potency, copelandia/paneolus cyanescens looks to have around more than .7% of psilocybin and more than .6% of psilocin (http://www.agiati.it/UploadDocs/35_art11_gartz.pdf) while cubes have .6 of each (https://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml). I don't know the influence of other substances ?

jimmy_luv
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They are electric! Very different feelings. The ceiling is way higher.. like I can't eat too many cubes but I could definitely eat too many pans. The comedown is clean too. Visuals are way more pronounced and color saturation is at a max. Really wonderful fruits.

Fartz_McKenzie
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The chitin isn’t as robust on pan cyan as with cubes allowing for easier digestion. As for headspace I’d say its my favorite space. I feel most consider pan cyan to be 2-2.5x stronger than cubes. And they taste waaaay better. When fresh they taste like a raw button mushroom.

Samwise2512
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I would recommend trying them for yourself and making up your own mind. In my experience, different species definitely seem to have their own distinct flavour or character, and this seems to be the general consensus from experienced growers and psilonauts as well as Mexican indigenous groups who have used numerous species. I know of multiple growers who refuse to consume Cubensis having sampled Pan cyans for themselves, and there is likely a reason for this.

For myself, the Pan cyans are one of my favourite mushrooms, and in fact I rate them among the best drug experiences I have ever encountered. Consistently really beautiful and blissful, I find them to induce a really clear, clean, lucid, crystalline experience, with really detailed and colourful shimmering visuals and deep euphoria, and they seem smoother on my mind and body than Cubensis, despite their much greater potency by weight. I don't get any body load or noise when I ingest Pan cyan...they hit like organic psilo LSD.

By comparison, Cubensis can sometimes feel a bit muddy/foggy, and can be a little more emotionally unstable or darker in nature and just not as clear and I tend to feel more 'drunk' on them. Pan cyans being more potent feel like a purer and more distilled psilocybin experience to me.

I can sometimes feel a bit more weighed down with Cubensis while Pan cyans don't have this effect. Because you only need a gram and upwards dried of Pan cyans for a really immersive psychedelic experience, I think the fact you don't need to eat as much actual fungal material makes it easier on your guts and system, and this in turn influences the feel of the trip because of the lack of distracting body noise or load.

So yeah I highly recommend them. Also if you can grow Cubensis from scratch you can definitely grow Pan cyans. I've also found Psilocybe semilanceata, Psilocybin azurescens, Psilocybe hoogshagenii, Psilocybe mexicana and Psilocybe cyanescens to have their own flavour or character that to me appears to be consistent across sessions - i.e. I don't feel the differences are all entirely down to external set and setting factors.

PanfriedCyan
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Growing pans is definitely easier if you live in a region where they naturally grow. If you're not in the tropics then you've got to keep your temp and humidity very steady, and they're definitely manure lovers.

The high they give you is second to none. I've only ever felt true euphoria on pan cyans. Not just euphoria, but true love. That's the only way I can describe it.

The visuals were like I was walking through layered films of stars and planets with a geometric translucent blanket making waves on the ceiling. It was like I was seeing the entire universe, but I was too big to notice the finer details.

louisbell:
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Hi, to introduce myself to the community I thought I would share an experience I had last night. Psilocybin is beautiful.

Dose: 2.8g Panaeolus Cyanescens Powdered in lemon juice left to sit 15 minutes. Lots of cannabis and THC oil.

As the sun went down I prepared my dose, taking slightly less than I had planned, due to the fact that these mushrooms were incredibly potent and I had not had such a large dose in years. I chopped up 2.8 grams of very dry, very well preserved Panaelous Cyaneascens, more than twice as strong as cubensis, and let them soak in lemon juice for 15 minutes. I tend to plan a trip and then postpone it more often than not, and the second I threw the mushrooms in, all doubts and anxieties faded. I was doing this, and it was going to be beautiful.

I said goodnight to my family and chugged the mushroom concoction down in one, washing it down with some honey green tea.

Having tripped on a lower dose 72 hours before, I wasn’t entirely sure I would trip any harder. The come up was slow and smooth, and it didn’t take long for the lights and movie to become a distraction, and that mystical mushroom feeling to start bubbling inside me.

A big fan of THC, I had melted some incredibly potent honey oil onto some weed flowers and chopped it up, packing a pipe and a bong. Once the dizzy almost “drunken” feeling became more and more pronounced, I put my headphones on and let the psytrance play. Cannabis always pushes me over the edge on a come up, and hitting the bong I felt a wave of relaxed euphoria and reassurance.

After about 45 mins of ingesting the dose, I was tripping enough to be seeing colours floating around and intensifying closed eye visuals began. I smoked more and more until I had my fill and lay down on the bed doing some breath work.

I hadn’t kept track of time, turning my phone off for the trip, but I decided to sneak a peak at the time, as I was attempting to judge how much more intensity to expect. The fact that I was already having full-fledged psychedelic CEVs so soon was a nice surprised, and I embraced the fact that I was in for something exceptional.

As the mushrooms continued to intensify, I studied the visuals and noticed that they were constructed out of infinitely rapidly changing strings of colours composed of tiny hyper-complex symbols. Blue triangles that unfolded into orange hexagons and purple spinning squares, alongside millions of similar strings of complex shifting symbol strings. As the trip intensified further I opened my eyes occasionally and noticed that in the darkness these strings of colour were now visible in the air in front of me.

I held my hands in front of my face and played with my fingers, dancing with the energy. As I focused I was able to draw by spinning my fingers in the air, generating beautiful and complex ribbon like patterns of colour on a tiny scale that I could see perfectly.

Thoroughly enjoying this new state I had discovered, I decided to take off the headphones and sit cross-legged in darkness, meditating and breathing. To my surprise, the darkness actually intensified the experience, and this beautiful visual experience became entirely all encompassing. Wherever I looked I was surrounded by intense psychedelic patterns and it felt as if my field of vision had somehow widened.

The effects lasted for several hours, and as I came down I turned my phone on. I made a few sound recordings to draw from, ensuring I captured the experience. I then attempted a game of online chess, feeling very mentally sharp. This was a tad boring and I stopped soon, and resorted to just laying down and enjoying the last of the trip with closed eyes. I felt very social, very empathetic, and full of love and joy.

This variety of mushroom, for whatever reason, had a particularly nice afterglow. For hours I lay in bed, meditating on the feeling of one-ness and love I could feel radiating through my tired body. I took the occasional bong rip, and at first it brought the trip back a few times, and then I was left with just a slightly altered visual perception and an intense body high. The afterglow was spent repeating this process of smoking cannabis and meditating on the feeling, trying hard to carry it out of the trip. I was quite successful in doing so, and laying there the last 2 hours felt almost like a perfect dose of mdma but straight from mother nature.

Do you guys feel that psilocybin tolerance is exaggerated? I have been finding that two nights off, one night on is enough to reset me. This is a special "trip month" for me, I'm using mushrooms to help with anxiety, depression and quitting alcohol, and have had great success. I feel like a new person.

For those who can relate to this post, what's the "next level" like? I could see adding a gram producing even crazier effects.

This is the first time I've been overwhelmed by beauty and been so able to interact with my trip, yet I had my full sense of self the whole time. Is ego loss inevitable at some doses? What is that like and is it enjoyable to most experienced trippers?

Long story short, that was a next level for me. Using the "level" system I would guess somewhere just shy of level 4, but beyond level 3.

I still have 5.5g of these and I can't wait to dive deeper.

depopulator:
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Level 4 trip: 1.5 g Panaeolus cyanescens, Lemon tek, SSRI and folklore
    #23277323 - 05/27/16 12:14 PM (6 years, 6 months ago)

I moved up into the mountains above the valley of San José, the capital city of Costa Rica. The region is famed for its long history of witches and witchcraft. Some of the highest peaks, which stand within a mile of my home, have protruding rocks which were said to be the abode of a famous local witch of yore. It is said that this witch, that went by the name of Zarate, had met a spirit called El Dueño del monte (The Lord of the Mountain), and that this spirit had introduced her to Lucifer.

    I had read about María Sabina, the original curandera in México, who introduced the first ethnomycologists into the mushroom experience, and figured that Zarate, the witch, was probably an aboriginal curandera that used traditional medicine and shamanism and was therefore demonized by the local catholic community. It seemed logical to me that the Dueño del Monte spirit, was probably a psychedelic plant, of which there are several in the surrounding area (psilocybe and panaeolus mushrooms, bufo toads, datura and brugmansia, etc.). The descriptions of the Dueño del monte is that it is a large man with scraggly long hair and fur, covered in fireflies and that it is said to protect the mountain from poachers and other destructors of nature. In this sense, the spirit is similar to the Wendigo, Bigfoot or Yeti figures of other latitudes. The introduction to Lucifer seemed to me the description of a psychedelic experience where Lucifer would identify with the great god Pan, ruler of nature, with nature itself, then, as an alien other in contrast with humans.

    Enticed by this folkloric interpretative run I decided to venture into the mountain and try to find the Dueño de Monte. First trip: within an hour of entering a pasture at the end of the road in the higher reaches of the mountain I start spotting clusters of panaeolus cyanescens in cow paddies. I collected maybe 30 mushrooms.

    I brought them back and dried them with a fan blowing over them for a day. I then invited my girlfriend, who is currently taking Altruline, a Serotonine Selective Reuptake Inhibitor, to try them and steeped 3 grams (1.5g per each of us) in lemon for half an hour, as suggested in the lemon tek recipe. We then drank the lemon with some pink lemonade chasers and waited. Within 15 minutes I was feeling stoned and heavy limbed, she reported only the mildest sensations.

  Within one hour I was tripping extremely hard: the lights from the city seemed to coalesce themselves into brilliant scintillating shapes of tigers and rise from the ground, geometry in my room started to fall apart, all lines standing on their own as if flowing in space, the floor turned a glowing golden mother of pearl hue and tiger shaped patterns etched themselves into them. This was a very intense trip, I had not expected this from 1.5grams and I started to panic and seek comfort in embracing my girlfriend which kept complaining that she could barely feel anything. She could tell how intense my trip was from the way my eyes were wide open and my jaw kept dropping at everything I looked at.

    At some point the city lights raised themselves into an ancient, colossal protrusion of coral shapes made of light. It seemed perfectly clear to me this was some sort of alien city, using alien here not as extraterrestrial, but as deeply, perturbingly strange. The plants out in front had massed themselves into strange ominous creatures part insects part Geiger like aliens and I could feel that the filters we normally use to interpret what we see and reduce it to simple concepts had fallen and that I could now see the truly strange life forms that surrounded me in everyday life in their true otherworldly guise.

    This was proving to be too much for me so I decided to close my eyes and it was at this point that a new "space" opened up where I could see an helicoidal spiral, much like the dna structure, and from it a serpent-insect lifeform uncoiled itself, as if it had been hiding there for a very long time and started speaking to me in a language not of this earth. I then could see this creature being given birth too, writhing with multiple conical tentacles and uncoiling from itself and expanding.

    The long and short of it is that I freaked out, started sweating profusely and gagging and decided that I was having a bad trip so asked my girlfriend to come down to the TV with me and put on some Katty Perry videos. That seemed to cut the crazy stuff short and the rest of the trip resolved itself into a mellow happy dancing and giggling fest. I have to say I was greatly relieved to get away from this creature that I now am convinced inhabits the nether regions of my psyche.

    Thinking back on it I would have to classify this as a level 4 trip, very very intense. My girlfriend on the other hand, could not get past some mild color changing and distortions. She thinks she got a level 1 trip. She even went down and ate another gram to see if she could launch off properly, but nothing happened. We have speculated that the SSRI either blocked the psilocyn or made so much serotonin available that there were fewer receptors for the psilocyn to attach to.

    I am also convinced that my interpretation of the local witches and spirit folklore is correct. I have come out of the trip with a great and renewed respect for the strangeness and profundity of nature and of our own constitution and difference as humans. Make no mistake about it, we are the aliens.

    Additional to this I keep thinking about the information I seem to have received. Is it possible that we as humans are different because somehow a mutation in our dna, possibly involving a virus or some dna altering organism, fused information into our constitution that is absolutely alien to the larger natural matrix of the world?  I have no hard answer for this, but that is what I gather from it.

  Finally, I seriously think the lemon tek is unnecessary, there might be some sort of appropriateness to the fact that psilocybin takes a while to metabolize in the body, so you come up slow and easy. Lemon tek can unless the experience on you too suddenly, causing great anxiety. I say: respect the mushroom, it has evolved thus and really needs no tampering with.

discozone:
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Thank you for your trip report.  I also live in San Jose and picked some pan cyans from a local field a few days ago. Dried, they came out to be about 4 grams.

HB (42,528 posts):
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if they are true blue cyanescens, i think half to 3/4 eighth is good if you want a high level 3 or so, and a full eighth for your world to just disappear :smile: be careful an eighth of cyanescens is FUCKING POWERFUL.  make sure you are truly ready for a journey where you really will be stuck in that little void in space where time does not exist in any shape or form.  when i dosed a full cyanescens trip time STOPPED at 2:12 am for about, lemme see, a few days (in shroom terms -- I felt like I was gone for just about forever)

let me put it this way -- when ONE minute went by, my friend and I would become ecstatic.  at points I was almost positive time was going back and forth, and that all the clocks were going at different speeds.  we were listening to Meddle, and I "knew" that the cd was playing in the same void as we were in, because the cd seemed to be playing back and forth and stopping, at times.  god that was a fuckin trip.  if only we did it outside ...

be ready, this isn't an easy trip.  cyanescens will emotionally and mentally blow your mind to pieces like no other shroom that I have taken -- the visuals usually are quite small but detailed and quite animated, almost like acid.  but it is all about the mindfuck, that's where this shroom stands tall

chuck.hntr:
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First time eating Pan Cy's 1g.
    #26894015 - 08/22/20 06:05 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Hi Shroomery, I wanted to share this experience, it would be great to hear your comments and responses. As posted in the title this was my first Panaeolus cyanescens trip from a few nights ago.
Fist off I had not eaten anything for 7 hours and had been thinking about this trip for 3 days eating healthy and not drinking alcohol.

I went to a local canyon and posted up on a large rock outcropping(see pic). I squeezed 2 limes in a glass and put the mushrooms in mashed them around and then added some water to cover them and let sit for 15min stirring occasionally.
I ingested the liquid and mushrooms at 6:10pm

At 6:30 only 20mins after ingesting and they started to come on hard and fast.

They came in strong in waves, when a wave would roll in my vision would lock into whatever I was looking mostly sections of the rocks near me. While locked into these viewpoints a few phenomena would occur, if I was looking a rock in closer proximity, my vision would very slowly zoom into the frame, every small form and texture would develop incredibly full forms and appear to not only be alive but embedded with ancient human like entities.

In the beginning these waves were brief and when I would break from it I would have a sip of water, I would also get waves of fear and panic, wondering how I would get home, how intense is this going to get? Did I do too much? Also feelings of doubt, I shouldn’t have done this, I’m stuck here, I need to leave immediately. How long will this last for I think I've had enough of this.

These are the feelings that in the past have spiraled out and lead to a dreadful agonizing long experience. When they would come on I would take deep breaths and say, I am safe, there is actually no where I need to be, this state is temporary, let these feeling wash over me. This time and trip is a gift to myself there is no rush to be anywhere. All these feeling recurred 5-6 times but I was able to breath through them and let them subside in relatively short time.

As the wave periods got longer so did the intensity of the visions. The large rocks began to look like craggy eggs that I could see into. Almost as if the were snow globes, the scenes inside were dense tightly packed with entities almost like transformers but organic rather than mechanical, their coloring was similar to the exterior coloring of the rocks and the rough shapes appeared to be beings crouched or curled up in them. During these heavy waves I felt paralyzed I knew I was in my body but could not feel it, all I had was my vision which was tethered to the current fixed viewpoint.

Overall the trip was amazing I was shocked how it peaked so early but then lasted for many hours at a great manageable intensity. I'm curious if other people often feel like they cannot move and are paralyzed at times during a trip? The beginning of the trip was the heaviest experience mushroom experience I've ever had. Thx for reading. 

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25925194

JOC TEK Panaeolus cyanescens

milligrams:
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1g of CCs has had me tripping harder than anything, I've never done Cubensis, but I've done 2c-e (18mg), 2c-i (25mg) , LSD (~300 mics) and 1g Copelandia Cyanescens with copious weed had me tripping harder than any of em. I should think 1g of CC's correlates to more than 2-3g of cubes. Probably a ++++ experience for some of it, but I'm not too sure what that means? I couldn't make sense of who I was or where I was, I felt "lost in time", everything was just swirling psychedelic colours, I had no perception of anything except how beautiful this state was, also that was the strongest euphoria of my life.

I've done half g's of them twice before, once without weed, which gave me a subtle but really philosophical and euphoric trip, and once with weed which gave me the same thing but with quite strong visuals and more confusion.

Oh don't underestimate the Hawaiians! They're damn good shrooms, and if you smoke weed on them, expect the psychedelia to increase ten-fold.

.5gs will be a good fun dose that you wont regret. You could probably afford to go up towards 1g seeing as you're experienced with 2c's but don't expect as little as some people in this thread have been saying. I wouldn't reccomend more than 1g unless you have done big doses of the 2c's.

Length is about 6hours, peaks from 1.5-3hrs, takes about 30 mins to start feeling it. Then another 30 mins to really start. (if you're going to smoke weed, do it at about 45 mins in! Makes the trip SO good, if you do it too early it wont boost the trip as much, and if you do it too late... well you just wont be able to smoke after like.. 1.5 hours in :p

Thomas Davie:
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snowydaytoday.....I've never had Pan Cyans (so please take this with a grain of salt)....just Cubes, but many times

If I dose once every 6 0r 7 days, I could stay at as little or as much as I want and not suffer any kind of tolerance issue.
If I dose 2 days in a row, I need approximately twice as much the second days.
If I dose day 1 and 3, about 1.8 times as much
Day 1 and 4, about 1.5-1.6 as much
Day 1 and 5 (what you're doing), approximately 1.4 times as much.

Unless I go 6 days between trips on shrooms, the newest trip seems to lack a certain sparkle. The OEV's are the first to go, and the CEV's for me change from bright flourescent pastels to darker colours. I'm 6ft, 180 lbs.

If I took 2g on Saturday, I would take ~2.8g on a Thursday, but only if no work on Friday. Cubes though.

Bancopuma:
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In my experience, Copelandia/Panaeolus cyanescens mushrooms consistently provide a much higher order experience than P. cubensis...for me the "Hawaiian" strain of Copelandia cyanescens reliably yields a much cleaner, clearer, lighter, more lucid, colourful, crystalline, visionary state of bemushroomed consciousness, while being much smoother on the body, than P. cubensis, with a much easier coming up period, and much less of a body load than the latter, which tends to produce a foggier, muddier, more lethargic experience, more likely to induce mental turbulence, difficult and dark trips and weird alien archetype experiences.

(I appreciate I may come across as a mushroom snob a bit here, but I still have a deep fondness and reverence for P. cubensis and have had many amazing experiences with them in the past...these days though personally I'm more concerned about the quality as oppose to quantity of mushrooms I ingest). I'm definitely not alone in having this perspective, and the majority consensus from people who have consumed both species is that Pan cyan provides a superior experience to that of P. cubensis (which is not a species held in particularly high regard by indigenous Mexican psilocybe using groups).

...there are plenty of threads on the Shroomery and other mycology forums making comparisons regarding the experiential differences between Pan cyans and P. cubensis, and by far the majority consensus from people who have experience with both species is that Pans provide a superior, cleaner, higher order experience than P. cubensis, and this reflects my own experience too.

Dosage wise, 0.5g of dried Pan cyan mushrooms will be sufficient for a good experience (particularly if you are sensitive, which you appear to be), whereas 1g dried would provide a deep water psychedelic experience for most people (some dosage advice in the Copelandia cyanescens grow guide linked below).

If you are considering other species widely considered superior to P. cubensis in experiential quality (by indigenous Mexicans groups and growers alike), you may want to research P. hoogshagenii 'Semperviva' and P. mexicana, with the added bonus these may be easier species to grow than Copelandia cyanescens with the right grow setup.

Pic 1: After the substrate is fully colonized, it will look almost completely white, uncover and add your casing layer.

Pic 2: Had success just growing on a table top with humidifier sitting on same table with timer set to 1/2 hour on, 1/2 hour off, with around 95% humidity, directing the mist toward the cake pans, no more misting!

Pic 3: Final fruiting pic

Pic 4: 300mg of pure tetrahydroharmine or THH at very top of pic in weigher to take with the pan cyan.

Pic 5: One of my favorite woman house DJ's: Music sounds infinitely beautiful with the combo of pan cyan + THH



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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: 4HO-DMT]
    #28112687 - 12/26/22 08:02 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Thank you kindly timestop and 4HO-DMT.

I have since used pan cyan's countless times in combo with 150 to 250mg tetrahydroharmine (not an maoi or rima, but a psychedelic SRI), all experiences 11 out of 10, one of my absolute favorite trips of all time.

Pure THH is the best kept secret in the psychedelic world, if you love mescaline, you will love THH.

I love LSD and find this combo very similar, like an organic form of LSD, extremely euphoric, visual, stimulating like mescaline or LSD, and very music enhancing, spiritual and divine with incredible healing powers, open eyed beauty is way over the top and insane, love, love! Closed eye real visions for hours and angular type geometrics and fractals, super fine and animated like with LSD, super saturated tropical colors.

Trips (from here on 12/2/2011):
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As to how the THH altered the experience -> I find rue extract+DMT to be very similar to mushrooms. I found the THH added to the rue+DMT to shift the experience to a state much closer to that provided by LSD. It was more clear, more energetic, more focused, and when confusion struck it was definitely more "acid-like"



So very true, take with your mushrooms at the exact same time, you will find the trip stimulating like mescaline, greatly heightened euphoria, crystalline clear, zero confusion, open eyed beauty is way over the top like with mescaline, music is incredible, powerful spiritual insights and closed eye visions, can't say enough good things about the combo. Start with 100 to 150mg of THH.

--> I just wanted to touch briefly on #2 on post #1 concerning cactus:

Now days I just make a tea using bridgesii, 600 grams of fresh skins cut from around the core makes a tea equivalent to 600/2 = approx 300mg mescaline and 800 grams of fresh skins cut from around the core make a tea equivalent to 800/2 = 400mg mescaline, I've drank cactus tea over 100 times, and find this approximation quite accurate for myself.

They are so precious and rare that I typically only drink before I go to the waterpark down the street to enjoy nature and the bikini scenery all morning and afternoon long. 11 out of 10 experience, can't rate highly enough, much of the time I'm just like "woooahhhhh" just incredible. I rate these trips as some of the best of my entire life, always a +5 Shulgin level experience, I tend to take a 900grams tea trip at the waterpark, equivalent to 450mg of mescaline, mind-blowing good time.

To make the tea, I peel and boil the skins from around the core, reduce down to 150grams per oz, put a 6oz or 900g tea (1/2 pint tall jar holds 6 to 7oz) away in the fridge for 2 days, all the nauseating to the intestines green gunk (less than 1/4" layer) will fall to the bottom, decant and drink only what is above the green gunk, zero nausea, I freeze and put away additional jars of tea for the summer waterpark. No filtering needed this way as the fridge decantation takes care of all that. Very simple and effective.

--> Concerning #4 on post #1 (sublingual HPBCD DMT):

And if you have not tried the sublingual under the tongue HPBCD DMT (formed in 2 minutes on a spoon) in combo with 200mg oral harmine + 150 to 250mg of oral THH, (take the sublingual DMT 1 hour after you take the oral harmine + thh, and hold for 15 minutes under tongue) you don't know what you are missing, Ayahuasca without all the negatives....and you can re-dose every 1.5 hour up to 3 more times...link in post #1 https://mycotopia.net/topic/111979-one-shot-hpbcd-dmt-ayahuasca-and-sublingual-hpbcd-dmt-ayahuasca-absorbs-2-to-3-times-better-than-dmt-salts-masks-taste/ includes 6 of my experiences that I recorded over a year's time, where I took it over 50 times in a year (includes the 2nd re-dose at the 1.5 hour point). All +5 Shulgin level trips as well, just as powerful as oral Ayahuasca but without the nausea, dizziness, weirdness. See the trip reports from L-dreamer on post #2 as well.

*** Please don't forget to read the paragraph about how to test your THH to make sure it is pure and not contaminated with any left over harmaline, see "12 reasons THH rocks" on 1st post, this is important.


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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: tregar]
    #28116134 - 12/29/22 09:19 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

Questions asked lately:

1) How can you make THH ?
2) Is there a video on pan cyan?

I've easily made pure THH or tetrahydroharmine for many years in only 1.5 hour from harmaline, directions on post # 13 here: https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

Pics of the pure THH can be seen here: https://mycotopia.net/topic/111979-...to-3-times-better-than-dmt-salts-masks-taste/

If you have not tried the sublingual under the tongue HPBCD DMT (formed in 2 minutes on a spoon) in combo with 200mg oral harmine + 150 to 250mg of oral THH, (take the sublingual DMT 1 hour after you take the oral harmine + thh, and hold for 15 minutes under tongue) you don't know what you are missing, Ayahuasca without all the negatives....and you can re-dose every 1.5 hour up to 3 more times...link above includes 6 of my experiences that I recorded over a year's time, where I took it over 50 times in a year (includes the 2nd re-dose at the 1.5 hour point). All +5 level strength trips as well, just as powerful as oral Ayahuasca but without the nausea, dizziness, weirdness. See the trip reports from L-dreamer on post #2 as well. The only disadvantage is that there is menthol like mild sting under tongue while it dissolves, does not bother me but others may not be able to tolerate as well.

If you buy your THH on line please don't forget to read the paragraph about how to test your THH to make sure it is pure and not contaminated with any left over harmaline, see "12 reasons THH rocks" on 1st post, this is important.

All you need to make THH is harmaline, vinegar, 10% janitorial ammonium hydroxide from hardware store, zinc dust.

Video on panaeolus cyanescens: https://odysee.com/@GordoTEK:1/GTEK-PanCyanTEK1080Compressed3500kbps:1

The combo of THH + pan cyan is highly euphoric, energizing like mescaline, intensely visual, vision producing & colorful, highly music enhancing ie just like an organic form of LSD with extraordinary healing powers. Additional benefits: zero anxiety, zero confusion, crystalline clear like mescaline or LSD. Can't recommend highly enough.


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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: tregar]
    #28117862 - 12/30/22 06:29 PM (1 year, 28 days ago)

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22216410/vc/1 (official copelandia/panaeolus thread)

Fantastic Mr.Fox:
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Experience: 
I still cant believe how far 1G of these guys will take you! I was full-blown tripping for 7hrs straight!!

The colors and patterns were so different than I am accustomed to!

At one point everything around me was like the ocean!
Waving up, and down, up and down..
I mean wayyy uppp!!!
So I laid and stared at the clouds..which has a mind of its own.LOL
The clouds were morphing into so many shapes and colors, && i swear I saw 2 fire breathing phoenix come towards me.
Then I was trapped in a cyclone. The clouds were spinning around me but I was in the peaceful center.

Remember when I spoke or moved I could see "waves" or "vibration" coming off my body!!

Lol once we got home I looked at myself in the mirror and it was game over,
My dreads turned into snakes and were slithering on my head. I almost had a heart attack/panic attack!!

The trip was far more visual than Cubensis, I dont think Ill ever eat cubensis again unless its of the PE variety.

The body load is like no other!! Almost MDMA likee..

All in all I'd say this was a great run!

I still have a few fruits that I need to harvest, but I'll have the final dry weight posted soon!

DMT Lexus:
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There are a lot of different panaeolus shrooms and I definitely recommend to grow them.
Panaeolus Tropicalis or Panaeolus Cambodginiensis are easier to grow and they giving the trip most similar to LSD and DMT, without body load. Panaeolus Cyanescens from Florida are also easier to grow and has quite more body load and are a little bit darker. But anyway it gives you a nice trip with vivid geometric visuals and strong souly effect.
I've grown and tried them, so lovely shrooms.
Definitely you should try them and to grow them is not as difficult as it seems.
I can recommend this tek: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27637997 (Panaeolus In Mono Tubs 2.0, Baba Yaga)
Feel free to ask if you'll have some further questions.

Pan Cyans contain high amounts of baeocystin and its dephosphorylated cousin norpsilocin which also seem to be associated with anecdotes of better trips: 



Video on panaeolus cyanescens: https://odysee.com/@GordoTEK:1/GTEK-PanCyanTEK1080Compressed3500kbps:1


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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: tregar]
    #28125375 - 01/05/23 07:35 AM (1 year, 23 days ago)

In a great mood (strong afterglow) this morning after having a +5 Shulgin level experience last night with a tea I made from 750 grams of home grown very potent bridgesii chunks from around the core boiled into a tea. Drank the tea first, then 1 hour later took 5 hits of LSD, also drank a morning glory seed solution in sherry wine made from 25g (875) seeds. I took the MG seed wine at same time as LSD. The MG seed wine adds divine spirituality, infinite beauty & euphoria, incredible dimensions, extreme saturated color & music enhancement to the experience along with the mescaline. Absolutely amazing experience all night long. Highly recommend. I do this at least once a month.

How to make the zero nausea morning glory wine: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299

Salvinorin HPBCD Cyclodextrin Complexation for Sublingual Administration: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28125373


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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: tregar]
    #28125538 - 01/05/23 10:06 AM (1 year, 22 days ago)

The lurker:
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Fucking wow..who here has some experience with these mushrooms? and how would you say they compare/differ from cubensis in terms of effects?

My friend and I like too refer to them as “acid mushrooms” as they have some weirdly similar effects to lsd, but with more dmt esque visions/experience.

They seem to last a bit longer than cubensis does for me, but I’m not positive. The actual “trip” experience at least. I took .6 g of them last night at around 4:50 on an empty stomach along with a small amount of cannabis and Lemon Balm tea. (have a tolerance cause microdosing) and at around 6:15-6:30 (I’d be coming down on cubensis at this point I remember texting my friend about the experience, it wasn’t too much at first, and I felt like I should’ve take more, and I thought I was coming down. Nope! I wasn’t even peaking yet.

I didn’t peak until 7-7:15, 2-2.5 hours after ingestion. This absolutely never happens for me. For cubensis, I usually peak at around an hour (they kick in super fast for me) and noticeably the experience starts to gently drift away, this was not like that.

The comedown felt loooong, but very enjoyable. I was still tripping around 8-8:30, and around 9-9:30 didn’t even feel down enough to drive yet.

This is not scientific at all, but I’m almost 100% there’s something else going on besides differing potency of the 3-4 known alkaloids in mushrooms, they do not have the “drunken” feeling cubensis do.

Going further into my non scientific whole of oblivion that is this post, to me cubensis feel much more “teachy” where every little thing that happens under the influence of them is a huge lesseon, and it’s like honestly looking at yourself is a forced thing, none of these are negatives to me at all. But the Cyanescens feel much more pointed in going deep, it feels like the experiential aspect is the most important part versus cubensis like slamming you with insights/enhanced perceptions of yourself and reality.

So these mushrooms are super cool and I’m very excited to up my dosage. Can anyone else relate to anything I’m saying about them? If not how would you describe your experience with them comparing to cubensis?

Fantastic Mr.Fox:
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Experience: I still cant believe how far 1G of these guys will take you! I was full-blown tripping for 7hrs straight!!

The colors and patterns were so different than I am accustomed to!

At one point everything around me was like the ocean! Waving up, and down, up and down..
I mean wayyy uppp!!! So I laid and stared at the clouds..which has a mind of its own.LOL
The clouds were morphing into so many shapes and colors, && i swear I saw 2 fire breathing phoenix come towards me. Then I was trapped in a cyclone. The clouds were spinning around me but I was in the peaceful center.

Remember when I spoke or moved I could see "waves" or "vibration" coming off my body!!

Lol once we got home I looked at myself in the mirror and it was game over,
My dreads turned into snakes and were slithering on my head. I almost had a heart attack/panic attack!!

The trip was far more visual than Cubensis, I dont think Ill ever eat cubensis again unless its of the PE variety.

The body load is like no other!! Almost MDMA likee..

All in all I'd say this was a great run!

I still have a few fruits that I need to harvest, but I'll have the final dry weight posted soon!

Logical Chaos:
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Pan cyans (the alternative name) is one of my favorite species of all time. The trip is very gentle, naturalistic, surreal, pleasant, natural feeling. Love it.

I gotta start growing it. Its worth it.

Asura:
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I have a fair amount of experience with them. It's pretty much all I grow. And I trip on them fairly regularly.

It was an accidental pan cyan trip (took 2g first time) that pretty much sparked my interest in cultivating them.

When you get into the higher doses like 2g+ it is a little less unicorns and rainbows.
To me it can be scary af because it starts getting into the "anything goes" territory.

My last trip was pretty great though. I mixed 1.5g cyan with 2g RW and it was great.
Cyans have almost no body load, so it can be nice to mix in one of the cube strains
that give off an ecstasy-type body feel.

Yeah that was 30g fresh. The difference between 1.5g and 2g is just unexpected. Exponential. I like the 1.5g range a lot, actually.

One of my first posts ever was a trip report where I lemon tek'd 2g...not really understanding
that pan cyan is different than cubes. Thought I was taking a light dose. It was my first trip
in over 20 years.

https://www.shroomery.org/11678/I-went-to-infinity

I mean that report doesn't even cover 1/100th of what happened. It was nuts.

@Puduwoke start with 1g fo real. That will be a good trip and not too much. Even 1.5g is pretty great.

@lurker, sounds like you already know what I'm talking about :lol: I was flying around these crazy alien landscapes. It
was like I was popping into a new dimension every few seconds. Giant structures that looked like thorny vines, but
mechanized.

I mean I was scared shitless to be honest because I didn't know what I was getting into. And yeah, there was a "haha we got you now, motherfucker" kind of vibe to it. Don't call em meanies for nothing. That trip lasted around 7 hours total. Even on the comedown I was tripping harder than I ever had in my life. If I had seen a human shaped shadow like you describe, I would have shit myself.

I found my first post on Shroomery. It was on the lemon tek thread. I kept my promise...

I'm more clear headed on cyans than cubes. Cubes give me a drunk type body feel or something similar to ecstasy. Cyans have almost no body load at all. Lots of crazy OEV's, too.

On a recent trip my living room kind of crack open like an egg. It was as if the 3rd dimension split
open and I could see the higher dimensions behind the crack. A giant golden hand reached through the crack and put a glowing red gemstone in my chest. Then the ground opened up (I can feel my body lying down but my spirit body is standing up) to reveal a lush green landscape. There was a guy there that looked like Groundskeeper Willy and he said - in an Australian accent - "Are ya ready to grow God's veggies?" I said yeah and the feeling I got was that it was a done deal...like what this guy was talking about was being woven into the very fabric of this universe.

I mean I just don't get that kind of shit from cubes :lol:

And the weirdest trip I had was no visuals or head stuff or anything. I was just perfectly present in the moment, with no thoughts of the past or future...for like 2 straight hours. I never know what's gonna happen.

The lurker:
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Actually i have had a similar experience, not nearly as in depth, or intense as yours sounded however. It was in my very early psychedelic days Lemon Tek’d Cyanescens were the thing that really showed a very young and naive me the potential of what psychedlics can do.

I had no idea what the dosage was I didn’t weigh it, I gathered as many fresh specimens growing In the wild as I could find, lemon tek’d them, ate the mush leftover and all. I remember maybe 10% of this experience. Haha wow I’m actually remembering more as I type this haven’t thought about his in a long time.

d0urd3n:
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I had Alex grey type visuals at the peak on 1.2 grams. Assuming my chocolates were mixed evenly. It was too much for me but I think I also have a low tolerance. I would say go .5 grams first time to be safe unless you're pretty experienced with cubes.

Within 15-20 minutes I remember coming back into my room, and the opened eyed “morphing” visuals were the most intense I’ve ever experienced. I remember my bed getting comically large and growing to the ceiling.

Around this point, I turned on some Tibetan throat singing music for whatever reason, and this totally opened up the floodgates. The next thing I remember, I’m laying in my bed (I think I was 16 or 17 :lol:) absolutely floored by what I was seeing, which was everywhere I looked was like a different, super complex alien landscape. Lots of purples and browns, I remember seeing this structure, almost like some temple that was for some reason of utmost importance to me at the time.

It was during this experience I remember looking at my wall, seeing this human shaped shadow, and watching it float over to me and lay down on top of my body and sink in to me. I wasn’t scared at all, I was just watching in astonishment, there was nothing I could’ve even tried to do :lol: sadly nothing crazy after this that I remember happened, just an odd occurance.

SkulletteDemystifi:
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I always have awesome intense visuals every time with pans. And they are more in depth and focused.  Where cubes are a hit or a miss for me. Sometimes i get great visuals but other times I just feel it in my body and just get the giggles. I also have a hard time with depth perception with cubes. The visuals jist seem cleaner with pans.

The sense of euphoria is more intense with pans too. I've spent 2 hours rolling around in bed with my gf because the sheets felt indescribably amazing. More than once haha. Orgasms on pans are extremely intense as well.

It's hard to describe but they do have a more earthy and natural feel to them unlike cubes. I, personally, get this sensation that I have cool water running through my body just underneath my skin. I've felt this with every trip I've had using them.

The come down feels different as well. Usually with cubes I feel exhausted and ready to call it a day. (But like I said I wonder around a lot on cubes) With pans I'm usually a little wired after the peak. Not like bouncing off the wall; more like I drank a cup of coffee. But when your done; you're done! There aren't as many residual effects with the pans like there are with cubes. It's nice for when you need to drive home later.

PSA: Do NOT take 3.5gs unless you are ready for a dose that high. Things after 4gs can turn really dark really quick. Always start with the recommended dose of 1g and work your up when you are ready. Know your self and know your dose. Pans deserve and must be respected.
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Sacred Mushroom Rituals: The Search for the Blood of Quetzalcoatl Paperback – October 4, 2018 by Tom Lane:

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/42204164-sacred-mushroom-rituals



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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: tregar]
    #28128842 - 01/07/23 05:37 AM (1 year, 21 days ago)

1) Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28108398

2) How to make the zero nausea morning glory wine: Zero nausea morning glory LSH tincture based on 2022 LSH study, natural LSD: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299

3) HPBCD DMT sublingually active under tongue: https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

4) One-shot hpbcd dmt ayahuasca and sublingual hpbcd dmt ayahuasca, absorbs 2 to 3 times better than DMT salts, masks taste: https://mycotopia.net/topic/111979-one-shot-hpbcd-dmt-ayahuasca-and-sublingual-hpbcd-dmt-ayahuasca-absorbs-2-to-3-times-better-than-dmt-salts-masks-taste/

5) Salvinorin HPBCD Cyclodextrin Complexation for Sublingual Administration: https://mycotopia.net/topic/112080-salvinorin-hpbcd-cyclodextrin-complexation-for-sublingual-administration/


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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: BlueAndOrange]
    #28139115 - 01/14/23 07:41 AM (1 year, 14 days ago)

danto said:
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on average how much does a pan weigh when dried?



Blueandorange said:
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Lots of comparisons between pan cyans and cubes. Any comparisons between pans and nats?




Great questions danto and BlueandOrange. A typical small dose of Copelandia cyanescens is around 2.1 grams of fresh mushrooms, or about 0.2 grams dried. The weight of a single dried pan can vary considerably. In the trip report I give on post #1 at top, I had a level 5 experience with only 1 large cap + 1 small cap. No comparisons I know of between pans and nats.

Copelandia cyanescens typically contains 2.5% psilocybin and around 1.94% psilocin by weight. Pan Cyans contain high amounts of baeocystin and its dephosphorylated cousin norpsilocin which also seem to be associated with anecdotes of better trips: These two alkaloids hit the adrenal receptors a2a-a2c with greater activity than psilocin, more in the range of DMT or mescaline, in the high range, and they also hit the 5-ht2a receptor much harder than psilocin. This is important for added euphoria, tropical color saturation, spirituality, visuals, aesthetics and empathetic like feelings. Teamwork is what is important here between all the various high levels of alkaloids.


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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: tregar]
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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: tregar]
    #28147039 - 01/19/23 06:48 AM (1 year, 9 days ago)

Last post: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299/fpart/10

I love LSD and MG wine extract too, and although a bit off topic, would love to share my trip reports:

3 x 100ug LSD + 15g to 30g zero nausea morning glory wine (525 to 1050 seeds, along with 150 to 250mg of pure home made THH or tetrahydroharmine. Way beyond normal LSD, adds incredible dimensions to the normal LSD experience, like greatly enhanced color, euphoria, beauty, music enhancement and some pretty awesome 3-d visual effects. I can listen to music for hours as it is just heavenly in combo, just as awesome as listening to music on mescaline.

So like Logical Chaos, I love the effects of all the various lysergic acid amides in the seeds, but I take it one step further and always combine with LSD, have done this at least twice a month for 10 months now.

I love cactus tea too but save it to take usually when I go to the waterpark during the summer months (which we visit around once a week as it is right down the road). But I will say that even if you do a tea on just 450g of fresh bridgesii chunks cut from around the core, will give you 450/2 = around 225mg mescaline, I use this along with the triple combo above sometimes by taking the cactus tea first, waiting one hour then taking the thh + lsd + mg wine with mint added. You can really stretch your cactus out this way, and it is damn good even at 225mg mescaline...I can make 3 x 12" long bridgesii last for 2 months this way, only taking on two Fridays of the month with the combo above.

TIP: after you brew or boil your bridgesii cactus tea for 1 hour, strain it thru a wire strainer, boil down to 4oz, then put tea in fridge for 2 days, at the end of 2 days, a 1/4" layer of green gunk will form at bottom of 1/2 pint tall jar you put the tea into, simply decant and drink ONLY what is above this tiny layer of green gunk, guarantee zero nausea this way, have been using this method for 2 decades. This is how I can take it at the waterpark and have zero nausea.

Pic 1: LSH molecule or Lysergic Acid Hydroxyethylamide from morning glory seeds, page 187 "Plants of the gods"

Pic 2: LSD molecule, page 187 "Plants of the gods"



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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: tregar]
    #28177226 - 02/08/23 07:41 AM (11 months, 13 days ago)

Update 2.8.2023: Other subject you may be interested in:

1mg LSA + new aldehyde molecule discovery results in effects similar to 100ug LSD:
   
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299

Update 2.17.2023:

Sublingual Ayahuasca, my psychedelic of choice: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371

hxxps://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371 (change hxxp to http to link)


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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens or pan cyan experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: Eva radke]
    #28399499 - 07/18/23 08:50 AM (6 months, 8 days ago)

Over 50 Pan cyan trip experiences re-counted in this thread.

From "Pollock 1974, a novel experience with panaeolus, a case study from Hawaii":

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ggSiumPZgdhiwG1TB_dwB0IJQKVwXCWe/view

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The Experience:

I ingested twelve washed mushroom caps early that evening. They were quite tasty and I considered them a delicacy. Two of the service men had ingested fifty mushrooms apiece that afternoon and the other two had also ingested a considerable number. The others present did not care for the taste so they consumed their mushrooms on bread with fruit preserves. They each consumed about a dozen mushrooms.

With in an hour I became acutely aware of alterations in visual perceptions. Three dimensional flashing patterns of colored lights were superimposed over images, and I felt as if I were perceiving stimuli traveling through multifocal space warps.

Furthermore, I experienced stimulation which seemed to involve both a psychic and a somatic component resulting in a pleasant sense of wellbeing. No one present expressed any feelings of dysphoria or unpleasant somatic disturbances, and no adverse reactions were observed through out the evening even in those who had ingested fifty mush-rooms.

When looking out the window some of us perceived moisture and felt as though it were raining, but when David and I went outside later in the evening, we discovered that it was in fact quite dry. We concluded that the robust sound of cicada may have given us the impression of rain and that perhaps we had experienced perhaps hallucinatory synesthesia. The ocean was vividly glowing in the distance, the clouds blowing across the sky were magnificent, and the entire setting produced a truly spectacular feeling of being alive.

About seven hours after the effects were first noticed, I felt drowsy and had no difficulty falling asleep (about 2 :00 AM) despite a brilliant collage of images. Those who remained at the house also displayed drowsiness and likewise went to sleep.

The next morning everyone awoke refreshed and went about his business. Both David and I ingested six refrigerated mushroom caps. Although l experienced no noticeable effects (apparently due to a subthreshold dose), David soon felt "spaced out." I experienced an apparent increase in auditory acuity and an alteration in his sense of time. In addition he had a feeling of decreased ability to voluntarily move his extremities.

This resulted in surprise as he discovered that he was in fact moving his limbs with out difficulty. Furthermore, he felt a slight impairment of short term memory but only had a trace of "visuals." These effects disappeared within several hours.




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How the chemistry differs: https://www.patreon.com/posts/67621105

Each dot in the picture above represents a chemical compound (these are labeled on the left). They are in two vertical columns, so the left side from top to bottom is all Estero, right side is APE.  Starting with the two most important, look at the psilocybin and psilocin content - quantification is not precise, but you can estimate based on spot size and darkness, the Estero cultivar is approximately three times as potent as APE (and it would have easily blown all other entries out of the water had it been submitted to the psilocybin cup).  This should be a reminder to all to dose appropriately (pan cyan holds the record for most potent mushroom species in the world as per published research).  If you normally take 3 grams of cubensis, try 1g of Estero.  It is always better to start with a lower dose and see how you respond before trying anything higher (you may want to start with just 0.5g).  There is NO PRIZE for taking the highest dose, in fact there is no documented benefit of any dose beyond about 35mg psilocybin equivalent, just more fear & anxiety for most people.

But there's more to it than just triple the psilocybin and psilocin, Estero also contains baeocystin (hard to see, but its there), urea (quite a bit), and serotonin.  None of these compounds can be seen at all in APE.  Could these be partly responsible for the difference in anecdotes from user experiences on Estero?

Here are some comments people have sent on this subject:

"I strongly agree with starting with one-half gram dry.  It was a much better experience than any cubes I've tried even at higher doses."

"Cubes gave me mild nausea and made me feel 'shakey'.  Not at all so with Pan cyans"

"Penis Envy is and has been overrated. I think any other well sourced Cube is just the same. It’s that cultural conditioning at play."

"lol who needs cubes when you can have Cyanescens!  I’ve blessed a few people with them and they are now believers lol."

"When Estero kicked in, I wasn’t disappointed.  At one point I forgot I ate Cyanescens and thought I was on a DMT ride!  As often happens to me on DMT I was 'connected' to some kind of power cord or machine umbilical that was coming from my wall straight towards me and plugged into my third eye!  And I felt the presence of a cosmic nurse at my side. Like she had her hand in my shoulder reassuring me all was ok!  Then I was like “f*** I ate mushrooms this ain’t a DMT trip” :wink:

"I've taken enough cubes to know Estero is different... 2 grams. Most amazing experience of my life. 10 hours. And another two hours of happiness watching TV and talking about my experience with my wife. In the end I just want to thank you. No comparison."

"OMG, OMG, O. M. G. Had my first deeply religious experience on 2g [estero] yesterday. I have never felt anything like it in my life. It was truly incredible."

"I ended up taking a 1 gram of Estero since I’m used to taking 3-4 grams of cubensis. Man…you were not kidding about the potency of these. 1 gram easily felt like 4-4.5 grams of cubensis to me.  These were by far the best visuals on mushrooms I’ve ever had.  Also, the euphoria was quite intense, and giggle sessions were uncontrollable.  All in all, I love pan cyans and they’ll likely be my go to. I’ll likely still grow cubensis for microdosing as well as less potency for sharing with others."

"Experienced people do sometimes doubt ones sanity trying to explain just how deep Estero gets on what some call a "micro dose" the pan experience for me is the most rewarding substance I've ever ingested and half reduced my dose and frequency of use to fine tune the benefits, plus stopped using synthetic drugs completely and have been experiencing recovery i didn't really know I need but pretty sure i do."

"I didn't really expect how good the differences were from Cube to estero. The visuals weren't comparable at all and the euphoria was so wonderful. My 2g trip was literally the best substance experience of my life next to marriage and kids. 10 hours of pure bliss." [Gordo note: 2g is too much for most people, be cautious]

"Funny because I went to an Ayahuasca ceremony in May and the Shaman told me to start growing pans... he said, “Cubes are for the people. Pans are for the elevated.”

"First experience last night with Estero pan cyan. Truly mystical, amazing, and the most beautiful and gentle psychedelic experience to date. Truly a gift."

"There's something about Pan Cyan that induces something special that no cube could ever bring, it isn't that it's a clean feeling either - it's something that must deal with happiness in general - so whether it stimulates serotonin production or a mixture of neurochemicals for the best experience, I have had consistently positive experiences with each trip both physiologically and psychologically. I wonder if it has to do with other alkaloids or absence of alkaloids vs cubensis"

One of this years funniest/best psychedelic reveals was the guy who actually came up with Penis Envy (the best selling cubensis cultivar of all time), when interviewed by Hamilton Morris essentially said (my paraphrase) 'Eh, it's still just a cube, and cubes don't do it for me. I find the Cyanescens far superior (they have entities)!' Haha. So the guy who created the most popular cubensis cultivar in the world doesn't even like cubensis. 

Eventually I think most in the grower community will come to prefer other species.  I would still like to see some reputable published research comparing user experience by species (this is challenging to do but worth a try).  As an aside, if you listen to that Hamilton interview, the PE guy says a lot of "out there" things that deserve to be challenged, every so called claim of "supernatural powers" has always failed rigorous testing and he is no exception. The psychedelic community has a long history of nonsense associated with it, and as far as I'm concerned, its time to do things differently, and I will always call out the nonsense.  I have plenty more to say about Casteneda, astral projection, and more, but don't want to get side tracked.

Love life, stay strong, and be well.

[Notes on sample preparation and procedure for the above shown TLC]

100mg of carefully weighed, blended/homogenized mushroom powder from each sample was added to a small beaker, 5ml of methanol was added over top while also washing down the sides of the beaker.  The beakers were covered then transferred to an ultrasonic bath in hot tap water (120F), sonicated for 8 minutes, 5 minute rest, followed by another 8 minute sonication.  Samples were allowed to settle for 10 minutes but no filtration, decanting, or centrifuging was done.  A calibrated micro pipettor (5µl) was used to transfer 10µl of each sample to the chromatography sheet.  Sheet was developed in a sealed glass chamber saturated with eluent consisting of methanol and ammonia (100:1.5 mixing ratio).  After development the sheet was allowed to dry while undergoing ultraviolet examination, then freshly mixed Ehrlich's reagent was applied by spray bottle until the sheet was saturated, followed by drying with a heat gun.  Sheet was periodically photographed every 5 minutes until colors reached full development (maximum brightness).


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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens or pan cyan experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: tregar]
    #28408105 - 07/25/23 03:48 PM (6 months, 17 hours ago)

Video on panaeolus cyanescens:


Crown Jewel of mushrooms.

How to make THH, post #13: https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

Give even just 100mg of THH a try if you decide to use in combo. These pan cyan are truly magical, love! love! no nausea, extremely visual and euphoric, and you can still sleep at night 6 hours later. People are killing it at home with low tech setups, see my very first trip report on post #1.

I do recommend getting a flow hood (best investment you will ever make) for 1) transfer of grown out grain to brake up by hand and mix with pre-pasteurized substrate in cake pan and 2) when adding 1/4" sterile casing layer to mycelium grown out substrate cake pan.


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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens or pan cyan experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: bambus]
    #28409037 - 07/26/23 11:24 AM (5 months, 30 days ago)

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Those are two things that you definitely don't need a flow hood to do. Open air is fine for spawning jars and applying casing.


I agree it can be done, but if you use a flow hood you can get more than 2 flushes, up to 4 or more as it contaminates at a much slower rate, according to what is said in video, and I agree.


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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens or pan cyan experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: barisk22]
    #28410220 - 07/27/23 11:13 AM (5 months, 29 days ago)

Note: Important info on why I don't use man-made HPBCD anymore (see --> below) but use FRESH aloe vera gel from fresh aloe vera leaf clipping you can buy for two dollars in the Asian section of your supermarket or on-line:

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There is not much information about tetrahydroharmine pharmacology. If it is just an SSRI, imo it may be not worth the effort of extraction of harmaline and reducing it with zinc route. Considering tregar trip reports it may be not only SSRI, maybe something like more phenyletylamine-mescaline type dopaminergic molecule.

I am thinking to make peganum harmala acetic acid tea, and reducing it with zinc. This probably result a harmine+thh solution as harmine is not reduced to harmaline acording to some studies. This solution then may be precipated with base like naoh, 7 ph to harmine and 9 ph to thh.

Is anybody tried thh alone like 300 mg is it really like mescaline, is it worth the effort ?



Yes barisk22, you will find no papers on tetrahydroharmine, it's the best kept secret in the psychedelic world. I would not subject a crude rue seed alkaloids to the zinc reduction process, only because the harmaline will reduce just fine to thh, but the leftover harmine in the tea when subjected to the zinc reduction will still remain harmine, but it still undergoes an unknown minor chemical change I have discovered, in that the harmine comes out "smelly" and causes nausea after being subjected orally, I would recommend only reducing as close to pure harmaline as you can to THH.

Reduction means hydrogen addition in chemistry for those unfamiliar with the chemical term. I'm done experiments twice subjecting pure harmine to the zinc reduction just to see what would happen, and the resultling harmine is no longer any good, even though it's still harmine, it gives off a "forever stinky smell" and does result in nausea, whereas harmaline when reduced results in pure THH, void of any smell, zero nausea. I've worked with THH for many years and taken over 200 times total.

12 reasons tetrahydroharmine or THH rocks on post #1 a few paragraphs down, try 150 to 200mg harmine in a capsule with 90mg dmt freebase.....then a week later try 150 to 200mg harmine + 200mg pure THH + 90mg dmt freebase in a capsule, the difference is night and day, absolutely no comparison.

In my personal opinion THH does have downstream effects as a dopamine agonist as you suspect. It is very potent at all 3 adrenal receptors, just like our beloved mescaline. THH + DMT is incredibly beautiful, neon colorful, shimmering visuals, potent music enhancement, strong euphoria, and actual Ayahuasca visions and an afterglow that lasts for days.

There is a reason it is found in 150mg (1 cup caapi based Ayahuasca) to 300mg (2 cups if drank for the evening) at the vegetal ceremonies, all this expalined on post #1. 

--> Instead of mashing your dmt freebase into the man-made HPBCD, (which I have abandoned recently due to discovering it is ototoxic to the ears, thankfully less than 1% is absorbed orally by the intestines, so it is still very safe if you use it orally, just don't use it sublingually for sure) you can just buy some aloe vera leaf at the Asian section of your local grocery store for two dollars, squeeze out some of the fresh aloe vera gel onto a spoon, add your dmt freebase, and mash it all together for 2 minutes, then add it to a capsule with your 150 to 200mg harmine + 100 to 200mg tetrahydroharmine, this works as well as HPBCD to increase it's oral absorption into the intestines by a factor of twice normal.

Any leftover aloe vera gel from the fresh leaf you can freeze in a jar and it will remain potent forever, just defrost when you need some more. Aloe vera gel just like HPBCD has been shown to enhance the absorption of oral vitamins by 3 to 3.5 times normal.

This is similar to how actual Hawaiian Psychotria leaf enhances the absorption of dmt in it's leaf into the intestines, by over a factor of twice normal, as it contains polysaccharides (I have extracted them from the leaf before) that do this...this is why it is so potent and all encompassing, actual jungle Ayahuasca is leagues above normal dmt extraction absorption due to this reason.

But you can simulate actual jungle Ayahuasca by mashing your dmt into FRESH aloe vera gel from the leaf and adding it to a capsule, take the dmt/aloe vera gel + 150mg harmine + 150mg THH all at the EXACT SAME time in a capsule, just as the Shamans do for the fastest and most potent experience, do not stagger any of the ingredients by 10 to 15 minutes, take all at once.


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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens or pan cyan experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: tregar]
    #28418300 - 08/03/23 07:13 AM (5 months, 23 days ago)

I've since used only 100mg pure tetrahydroharmine or THH in combination with 1g ground up pan cyan (2 x 00 capsules full, as each cap has 500mg or 1/2 gram): insanely good trips! 12 reasons THH rocks on post #1 several paragraphs down.


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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens or pan cyan experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: Antares12]
    #28432131 - 08/13/23 10:13 AM (5 months, 12 days ago)

Tregar's super easy pan cyan or panaeolus cyanescens or copelandia cyanescens grow log, crown jewel of mushrooms:

When I get time, will post pics taken from a diary run from past:

Step 1: First wipe the black inoculation port on jar lid with alcohol pad and inoculate each of your 24 oz 5 grain jars with around 6cc from estero pan cyan spore syringe for instance.

I'm lazy so I already had bought super cheap pre-sterilized jars of rye berries with 4 other grains mixed in, came pre-sterilized at 15 psi for 120 minutes. When inoculate, spray 2 mm down the middle, then spin jar 1/4 turn as you inoculate around 1 cc each 1/4 turn towards the sides of jar so liquid drips down from top to bottom.

I did not even need to flame the syringe with mini butane torch as the spore syringes already come with a sterile syringe in sterile packing, you just screw on the sterile syringe and inject, no flaming of needle needed. I do all this in front of a laminar flow hood, although you don't need one.

In only 2 days, notice one of the jars in middle already showing mycelium growth. In around 5 days all of the jars will show signs of growth.



Other topics: Alchemy chemistry fun:

How to extract 2.4g dmt from 170g bark using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask (heat and break resistant), post #15:
https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

Tetrahydroharmine or THH and how to make her, Caapi visionary feminine teaching spirit:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/page/1

Zero nausea HPBCD or aloe vera enhanced penetration Ayahuasca capsules:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371/page/1

Cactus tea before waterpark to beat the heat:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28411312/page/4



How to make LSI or Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide (Greek Eleusis ancient LSD) at home from morning glory seeds (the priests used non poisonous claviceps paspali which grows on paspalum grass adjacent to Eleusis present day in the famous Rarian plane, same alkaloid profile as the sacred Mesoamerican morning glory):
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299/page/2

On my very first pan cyan mushroom trip, where I went to a house music club tripping with friends, I viewed laser light patterns on the floor of the club, where the women danced, I believe the mushrooms showed me how to form never before seen patterns, as went I went home, over the next several months, I built my own 6 channel audio generator that when these combined frequencies (3 on x channel and 3 on y channel) were sent to a laser x and y galvanometer, were able to produce brand new laser patterns such as collapsing circles and spinning lines 360 degrees which looked beyond belief in the fog as 3-d, I then went on to market these laser scanners to clubs on the strip, and they were a huge success...I owe this creative invention to the mushrooms which sparked new creative energies, way beyond thought, from a higher source where the mushrooms tap into. My love for house music stems back to those days of visiting many clubs as an entertainment laser lighting fixture creator and programmer and making friends with the many DJ's. Over the summer myself and friends were lifeguards at the local water park. But on the weekends we went to parties or house music clubs.

https://www.friskyradio.com/
https://jaytechmusic.podbean.com/


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    #28439404 - 08/19/23 02:49 PM (5 months, 6 days ago)

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With the pan cyans the visuals were outstanding and the body high was wonderful, that's all I'll say.


Could not have said it better myself.


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Re: Compilation of panaeolus cyanescens or pan cyan experiences & combo with THH or tetrahydroharmine, like organic psilocin LSD [Re: Timestop413]
    #28440971 - 08/20/23 06:44 PM (5 months, 5 days ago)
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Tregar do you still like to take 1-acetaldehyde LSD via the sherry wine method?  I don't have any cactus at the moment to combine it with but I am wanting to give it a go versus normal LSD, how long is the mixture good for if stored?



Good to hear from you my friend Timestop, was just thinking about you! Yes, it's the only way I take LSD, 1-acetaldehyde LSD is no different than ALD-52, same exact effects. Just drop your LSD hits into a shot glass with 1/2 shot of cold sherry wine, put it in fridge and just stir it with a straw every so often around once an hour for 3 hours, the acetaldehyde in the wine will adduct onto the bottom NH group, as aldehydes are easily attracted to NH like a magnet, and bond well under acidic conditions, drink as such. You will love the effects, flowing visuals, no choppy visuals like normal LSD, way more colorful, look up ALD-52 on the net, same exact effects as ALD-52, people preferred ALD-52 over LSD as it was without anxiety, you could take much higher doses with no confusion, more colorful with flowing visuals...Albert Hofman himself invented ALD-52. The "electricity" of LSD is replaced with a more natural feeling. The man-made feeling of LSD vanishes and becomes more nature like.

You can leave the shot glass with wine and LSD hits in fridge and it will keep for weeks, or freeze and it will keep forever, then just defrost an hour before in the fridge, as it's wine it will defrost fast, then drink it. Always keep cold as acetaldehyde boils off around room temp or 70 degree F.

Another thing you must try is then take around 100mg of pure THH or tetrahydroharmine at the same time as you take the 1-acetaldehyde LSD, she (thh) has numerous similarities to mescaline, and the combination of the two is absolutely incredible, it will feel as though you took a dose of mescaline with your LSD, THH + 1-acetaldehyde LSD is the only way I ever take LSD, I've done this for years...it's so bad ass and super cheap combo.

You can find studies for the bonding of the acetaldehyde to the NH group if you go to this link and read the 9th paper on post #1, Tryptophan analogues form adducts by cooperative reaction with aldehydes and alcohols or with aldehydes alone, 1992 Austin.pdf  780.97KB: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299

I've also attached the study here for convenience.

Not only will acetaldehyde bond to the bottom NH on the indole of LSD, but it can bond to the H on the amide of LSA, forming LSH, more than 5 studies all prove this happens, even the 1960 study by Arcamone, all papers in link above.

From post #19: https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

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Part 15: How to theoretically form 1-acetaldehyde LSD (similar to ALD-52 or 1-acetyl LSD, Orange Sunshine) from LSD hits
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1-acetaldehyde LSD (nearly identical to ALD-52) will theoretically form when you drop hits of LSD into 1 shot of fridge cold just opened sherry wine, stir once an hour for 3 hours, keep in fridge at all times, as acetaldehyde boils off at room temp or 69 degree F, then consume...all explained below:

Sherry wine is high in acetaldehyde (10mg per 30ml or shot glass). This serves as an advantage...why is this important?

Page 8441:
   
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Reaction of Indole with Acetaldehyde: A 0.2% solution of indole in equal amounts of water, ethanol, and acetaldehyde formed a product with 60% yield after 1 hour of reaction at ambient temperature. Omitting the ethanol (50% acetaldehyde in water mixture) had no effect.
   
    Decreasing the concentration of acetaldehyde to 0.1% increased the reaction rate and percent yield of product.




See pic of the researcher's indole + acetaldehyde adduct product formed before (page 8439) and after (page 8441).

The researchers achieved a new product with or without the use of ethanol, it made no difference, you only need water acidified to around ph=4 and around a 0.1% acetaldehyde solution, and around a 3 hour soak time for 100% conversion.

Sherry wine fits the bill perfectly with it's high acetaldehyde content, and low ph, which is already at ph=4, just like the study calls for. The researchers stated "the lower the PH, the faster the reaction (indole adduct formation at the NH group)." It contains the perfect amount of acetaldehyde as well, in an alcoholic medium no less.

It is quite possible that 1-acetaldehyde LSH and 1-acetaldehyde penniclavine produce stronger visual trips with zero anxiety. This has been my experience with the seed solution and also my experience when converting 3 x 100ug blotters of LSD to 1-acetaldehyde LSD (have done this over 10 times already spaced at least two weeks apart during the past two years), also confirmed recently by Namaste at the Shroomery to work for him as well, now his preferred method of consuming LSD as well.

Once you know your morning glory seeds are potent, you could also throw in a blotter or more of LSD into the sherry wine/morning glory seed solution soaking in the fridge for 3 hours, not only will this convert the LSD to the more visual, colorful and anxiety free 1-acetaldehyde LSD but it can result in a trip way beyond normal LSD. Example below:

Dragonrider:
   
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I have also experimented with morning glory seeds a lot. A couple of times the seeds came very close to LSD. I have combined morning glory seeds with other psychedelics. On a few occasions, they boosted the effects of psychedelics enormously and very few seeds where actually needed to create this effect.
   
    Once a mere 30 seeds were enough to cause an overwhelming OBE on LSD, paired with the most insane visuals and a defragmentation of the mind like i have never experienced ever since. I am convinced that there is a substance in fresh morning glories, and maybe it is LSH or penniclavine, that modulates receptors that are being activated by psychedelics in such a way that it can boost the effects of other psychedelics.




How 1-acetaldehyde LSD is different from LSD:

1) You know how acid has that sudden drop off then you are back to sobriety? Instead, this lasts longer than acid and has a warm gentle transition back over a longer period. The come up is also gradual and smooth similar to cactus.

2) 1-acetaldehyde LSD is way more colorful than acid, similar to mescaline.

3) 1-acetaldehyde LSD does not have the "visual choppiness" of acid, but is flowing in the visuals.

4) LSD produces tracers with multiples of shadows of the hand, this produces not only tracers, but colored fractals and mosaics inside the tracers.

5) LSD produces "colored specs that flow in front of everything", this produces instead "fine colored rainbow reflections" that surround everything.

6) Music sounds good on acid, but music sounds great on this, like a whole nother world, similar to mescaline.

7) With 1-acetaldehyde LSD, everything seems alive and magical. Patterns & neon colors form everywhere, the shifting of textures is magical. You can lose yourself easily as the visuals seem to drag your focus in without any effort. As a result, ego death is basically spontaneous.

8] Sometimes LSD causes wandering thoughts & can seem abrasively analytical but with 1-acetaldehyde LSD there is no wandering thoughts, no tenseness or anxiety like with acid, this is deep mentally, a real gem, pure psychedelic bliss. LSD feels man-made, this feels very primitive, archaic and natural.

9) 300ug of 1-aceteldehyde LSD taken with 400g of fresh boiled thick bridgesii cactus pieces (no core, approximately 200mg mescaline) feel instead closer to the effects of 400mg + of mescaline, when also combined with 100mg to 300mg of pure THH or tetrahydroharmine (100mg is plenty !). Always take the cactus 1st, then take the THH 1 hour later --> only in that order so that the SRI which is THH does not clash with the trace maoi's in cactus.

I think this has to do with the possibility that 1-acetaldehyde LSD shifts the receptorome or radioligand binding of receptors "slightly away from 5-ht2a" and stronger towards the adrenal A2A, A2B, and A2C spectrum instead. This adrenal spectrum (A2A-A2C) is also the stronger dominance or habitat as well for mescaline & dmt & psilocin when compared to 5-ht2a, which is only midway on the spectrum, with the adrenal spectrum (associated with beauty & aesthetic enhancement) being more dominant with all these natural entheogens.

10) It is not a sacrilege to convert LSD to 1-acetaldehyde LSD cause Albert Hofmann also discovered ALD-52 at Sandoz labs. This is different from ALD-52 cause it has one extra hydrogen on the acetaldehyde adduct at the bottom indole NH group nitrogen.

12) LSD is more "analytical" and not as aesthetic, this feels more natural and is extremely aesthetic (beauty enhancing) like with mescaline.

Sample ALD-52 trip report:

hxxps://www.reddit.com/r/LSD/comments/4ynu/highly_underestimated_ald52/

   
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Yes, I realize it's not technically LSD but really, it might as well be. I took 300ug thinking it would be mild if anything. Granted it wasn't as intense mentally as LSD can sometimes be, but conceptually and aesthetically it is beautiful beyond anything I ever anticipated. I feel perfect. At one. Better than I've felt in so long. I thought I could never trip again on anything but this is honestly paradigm changing for me. ALD-52 should be considered just as powerful as LSD-25 although it's a lot more relaxed and somewhat forgiving. As it is probably apparent I'm still very deep into this experience and I hope this to be an open discussion to anyone who would like to be involved.
   
    My god, I just went through multiple ego death experiences beyond anything I've ever experienced from LSD before. There are no words. I mean there are plenty of "words" but none of them mean a single thing compared to any of THAT. Dear GOD. I never expected anything like this, but I sure as hell needed it. Even if I'm the only one here to express it to, as that's realistically the truth of nature anyhow. However, anyone who felt compelled to actually read through all this insanity, I just want you to know you're beautiful and you are everything. All things are right and they always will be.
   
    Anyway, as far as the ALD-52, I took 300ug as I said. It was amazing and stronger than I expected, however I don't think 100ug would be very eventful to be perfectly honest. If you're concerned about it being too strong 200 might be worth it but 300 was really a great amount if you ask me. Even if you haven't taken any lysergamides before ALD-52 is rather calm compared to LSD or even mushrooms for the most part. Visually though, at least for me, it was absolutely breathtaking. Colors and textures were shifting like crazy.
   
    Everything was alive and magical. Patterns were forming everywhere. I could lose myself so easily as the visuals seemed to drag my focus in without any effort. As a result, ego death was basically automatic and I reached that point multiple times. The first time I ever experienced ego death on LSD it left me with this beautiful feeling, like a deep inner glow that lasted for months afterwards. It eventually faded and I hadn't felt anything quite like it in years, but ALD-52 brought it back, and I feel like I've awakened from a spiritual coma.
   
    Another thing is LSD sometimes causes my mind to wander uncontrollably unless I take my own initiative to focus, especially during the come up which can also sometimes fill me with restless confusion. Once I peak everything usually evens out, but ALD-52 put me in a state of perfect clarity from beginning to end. The come up was so smooth and comfortable.
   
    I didn't notice the come down because I actually went to sleep when I felt like it was time to do so, which was an interesting surprise. Every time I've taken LSD I've had to let it run its entire course before even attempting to sleep. Often I would have to stay up for the entire day after which is obviously physically and mentally exhausting. But once I felt like the ALD-52 had made its point I went to sleep just like any other day, and woke up the next morning fully rested and mentally clear.
   
    Overall, it felt very natural and I never had a single moment of uncomfortability or confusion. Just pure psychedelic bliss. I mean, I've had some amazing and extremely important experiences on LSD but honestly after the other night, think I prefer ALD-52. It felt like tripping for the first time again.



   
Random comments found on reddit to back up my dozen experiences with 1-acetaldehyde LSD (nearly identical to ALD-52) over two years:

1) Pandemoon said:

   
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I dosed ALD52 like 100+ times throughout the last 4 or 5 years, in doses between 25ug and 350ug.
   
    While ALD52 is very similar to LSD25, I think I can still see a slight difference. To me the visuals are different, especially the tracers. I can clearly see a difference there.
   
    With 200ug+ of ALD52, when I move my hand it shows some very colorfull spirals and fractals in the tracer /smearing.
   
    While with LSD25 it is just a mirroring effect that shows several of my hands. Not nearly as colorfull, just a non colored shadow (or several) of the real hand.
   
    With ALD52 it's much more colorfull and intense, like painting the air with rainbow colors.
   
    100ug or even 150ug don't really show a difference at all to LSD25, but with 300ug and above (my highest dose was 350ug) the differences are even more intense.
   
    With 350ug I can hardly see reality anymore due to all those colorfull reflections of anything I look at.
   
    I think the higher the dose the clearer the differences.



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2) ALD-52 is probably most similar to LSD relative to the other analogues (of which I have only tried ALD-52). The headspace is markedly psychedelic, it lasts 12 hours and the visuals are prominent enough. They seemed to take on a more flowing characteristic than LSD, to where I'd see objects form within the patterns.

3) I find it has a more mellow vibe than LSD, I'm more content to sit back and relax whereas 1p is supposedly closer to the electricity of LSD.

4) For what it's worth, I found the come down of ALD-52 to be better than LSD... it just felt more refreshing, like a warm hug and it tapers off gently whereas LSD is more of a sudden drop off into sobriety, but the actual peak of LSD feels more... alive to me. like my consciousness is oscillating at a super high vibration.

5) ALD-52 is more euphoric than LSD-25 or 1p, and I find it's also less prone to creating anxiety. Because of this, I feel like I can take much higher doses and go much deeper. I took 5 tabs and experienced absolutely no anxiety at all. I don't think I would have been able to to do the same with 25 or 1p.

6) Hmmm. I seem to get much more euphoria from ALD-52 over 1p. But yes, the anxiety levels are consistently low with this chemical. ALD-52 is an absolute gem.

7) Agree. I feel like it's a subtle power, not as forceful as 1p. But there's genuine depth to it.
I'll be the first to admit it may be placebo, but I also favor ALD-52 for this reason.

8] I am very fond of ALD-52 as well! For me, the headspace was very much like LSD#25; however, I felt like the former of the two had potential for a really crazy headspace. ALD-52 also had me seeing three different colors that I'd never seen in my life. I saw red-greens, orange-blues, and of course the fucking purple-yellows.

9) NoticesMemesOwO:
ALD is MUCH calmer than 1P in every way. 1P tends to have a shitload of anxiety on the come up and tachycardia for me and my group of friends. Its very visual but also very scary at times. especially at high doses. ALD is the best IMO. I prefer it over the real thing honestly. At high doses it was very tame, had a great visual set, and no anxiety at all. very welcoming in the way it gets you. I would pick ALD all day long, and i could take or leave 1P in all honesty.

10) Doubledog said:
My friends had some ALD52 blotters few years ago and described it as slightly more visual, and not so stimulating, and as upgraded version of LSD, but with just small difference.




11) Namaste from Shroomery (has many years experience with LSD) said:
   
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Tregar, I think you're on to something here. The 1-acetaldehyde LSD I made following your instructions dropping 3 hits or 300ug in 1 shot of sherry wine in the fridge with stirring once per hour was extremely chill. Soft around the edges. When I started coming down, it felt like 10 years of therapy.
   
    I remembered good times, felt compassion. Listened to music I haven't listened to in years. Thought about friends, was at peace in a way that I haven't felt before.
   
    The stars formed into animated constellations. My Bodhi statue began to juggle. I saw the Perseidies meteors not just out of the corner of my eyes but right over my face while lying in a hammock. Saw the entire movement from start to finish. They looked like giant arrows.
   
    Stayed awake all day, went out to visit friends. It was very happy nostalgia. Sometimes larger doses make me totally black out. Not this time, I was awake and aware. No primal fear or paranoia.
   
    Felt like I was still peaking seven hours after dropping. Sometimes I get a cracked out, confused feeling, not this time.
   
    Haven't seen neon colors like that since the one and only time I was puddled.
   
    Sunday's are generally filled with dread and depression for the following week. Experienced none of that. Just a long lasting afterglow. Still in a great mood now. I did get a pretty severe headache but I also drink like it's my job, and I am on a SSRI.
   
    Been thinking about Ephesus and Pergamon, not sure if thats subliminal or coincidence.
   
    Going to wait 3-4 months and repeat.
   
    Give this a go!




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Part 4: Tetrahydroharmine receptorome similarities to mescaline; potentiates cactus & safety note
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A little off topic, but I think tetrahydroharmine is a pretty special compound. I've used 250mg of it to potentiate cactus to very strong levels, it makes a 12" medium san pedro cactus tea which may contain around 250mg mescaline feel like an X-large 12" thick san pedro cactus containing around 400mg mescaline. It makes a 12" thick bridgesii cactus feel closer to a tea made with a 12" bridgesii cactus along with an extra 6" piece.

In the data I've seen for THH, it strongly blocks serotonin just like cactus, but also agonizes the adrenal A2A thru A2C receptors (the receptors associated with aesthetics & beauty), just like mescaline has been shown to do receptorome wise, explaining perhaps why they "overlap" so well. THH being able to make mescaline in cactus feel much stronger than it really is. Anyone who has ever taken cactus or high dose THH knows the appreciation for beauty experienced is "over the top".

But you have to stagger the THH from the cactus by taking the tetrahydroharmine around an hour after the cactus is taken, that way any minor maoi's or rima's in the cactus won't interact with the SRI which is THH, which can result in a faster heartbeat for a few hours which has happened to me before...so long as you take it later, it potentiates the cactus quite incredibly...it feels like I've taken 400mg of mescaline containing cactus tea when it's really only 250mg mescaline containing cactus, and they both lasts around 6 hours with super strong activity, so they wind down at around the same time. I have around 7 months experience combining the two, giving myself around 2 weeks apart from journeys.

It works so well, I won't take cactus any other way from now on. I get much more mileage from cactus this way. Visuals and visions are insane, music is so good sounding, you would think you were an alien experiencing sound and music for the very first time, every instrument stands out on it's own, like hearing a track for the very first time.

Always take the san pedro, bridgesii or torch cactus first (they all contain trace maoi like actives)...then take the THH one hour later, in that order, then the journey is pure bliss and no negative interactions. Beautiful combo beyond belief, just like the combo of THH + LSD or THH + mushrooms.

Other topics: Alchemy chemistry fun:

How to extract 2.4g dmt from 170g bark using a 2 Liter erlenmeyer flask (heat and break resistant), post #15:
https://mycotopia.net/topic/111610-hpbcd-dmt-sublingually-active-under-tongue/

Tetrahydroharmine or THH and how to make her, Caapi visionary feminine teaching spirit:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28423951/page/1

Zero nausea HPBCD or aloe vera enhanced penetration Ayahuasca capsules:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28189371/page/1

Cactus tea before waterpark to beat the heat:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28411312/page/4



How to make LSI or Lysergic Acid Isovaleraldemide (Greek Eleusis ancient LSD) at home from morning glory seeds (the priests used non poisonous claviceps paspali which grows on paspalum grass adjacent to Eleusis present day in the famous Rarian plane, same alkaloid profile as the sacred Mesoamerican morning glory):
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27850299/page/2

Make your own 1-acetaldehyde LSD at home from LSD, very similar to ALD-52 or the real orange sunshine:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28441105

LSD high dose trip: 20 minute visionary visit from a dead Aztec Shaman:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28451382

On my very first pan cyan mushroom trip, where I went to a house music club tripping with friends, I viewed laser light patterns on the floor of the club, where the women danced, I believe the mushrooms showed me how to form never before seen patterns, as went I went home, over the next several months, I built my own 6 channel audio generator that when these combined frequencies (3 on x channel and 3 on y channel) were sent to a laser x and y galvanometer, were able to produce brand new laser patterns such as collapsing circles and spinning lines 360 degrees which looked beyond belief in the fog as 3-d, I then went on to market these laser scanners to clubs on the strip, and they were a huge success...I owe this creative invention to the mushrooms which sparked new creative energies, way beyond thought, from a higher source where the mushrooms tap into. My love for house music stems back to those days of visiting many clubs as an entertainment laser lighting fixture creator and programmer and making friends with the many DJ's. Over the summer myself and friends were lifeguards at the local water park. But on the weekends we went to parties or house music clubs.

https://soundcloud.com/discover
https://www.friskyradio.com/
https://jaytechmusic.podbean.com/


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