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Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance
#28107555 - 12/21/22 03:43 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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LSD, Mushrooms, doesn't matter.
Damn, I was so young when I joined this forum, almost 10 years ago. I was 17 still. I made a thread talking about how I tried a small amount of Salvia (first psychedelic) and the next day, I saw a book breathe. I was so freaked out that I thought I had depersonalization and shit.
I used to think I was depressed. I went to a psychiatrist for help and so on. It's all BS to me... the medications are horrible for you. I now have permanent side effects and am unable to trip like I used to. The "medications" truly CHANGED my brain!
I'm now 27 and so much different than I was 10 years ago, when I thought I was helplessly depressed.
I just wanted to post this to let everyone know not to trust psychiatry unless they actually need it. I kinda think that the people making these "medications" are purposely poisoning people like me. Eugenics basically...
I miss my ORIGINAL brain. The brain that nature gave me. There's NO going back!!! I've been falsely pathologized by society and ultimately, the "doctors". I am now Anti-Psychiatry!
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28107598 - 12/21/22 04:29 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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IME pharmaceutical psychiatric therapies screw a lot of people over, help many others, and save the lives of quite a few. There's no one blanket statement with which you can address the situation. Yes, they desensitize. But I am aware of schizophrenic patients recovering their ability to live in consensus reality with no appreciable side effects from their medications.
For certain others, psychiatric drugs make them miserable and make the situation worse than the original malady, sort of like chemo and cancer. Just depends on the person, and his or her unique brain chemistry.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28107625 - 12/21/22 04:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Ssris block the reuptake of serotonin, and psychedelics like psilocybin or lsd use the same pathway as serotonin.
For several weeks after your last use of zoloft or any ssri, this effect will occur dampening any psychedelic effects.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
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sorry about the salvia problem. I used to post about it enthusiastically but with caution.
Psych meds suck and the people who push them on people that do not need them suck worse
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
#28107930 - 12/21/22 08:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: Ssris block the reuptake of serotonin, and psychedelics like psilocybin or lsd use the same pathway as serotonin.
For several weeks after your last use of zoloft or any ssri, this effect will occur dampening any psychedelic effects.
It's been almost 3 years.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
#28107933 - 12/21/22 08:19 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: sorry about the salvia problem. I used to post about it enthusiastically but with caution.
Psych meds suck and the people who push them on people that do not need them suck worse
I don't think I have depersonalization anymore. That was when I was ~17.
As for psych meds, yeah. I've even worked in psych wards and saw how corrupt this industry is. It's mostly pseudoscience.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28107976 - 12/21/22 08:58 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I'll trust psychiatry over you on this one, I don't believe zoloft stopped psychedelics for you. Ssris are useless imo but it sounds wack to me to suggest that psychedelics don't work for you after 3 years, because of zoloft.
I'd bet there are other drugs you're taking, the psychedelics you take are fake or dosed too low, or you are from a psych ward and/or making stuff up.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28108185 - 12/22/22 03:31 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I had mentioned elsewhere that nicotine hindered visionary states in practice. For a bit it became a tool to dampen experience that would overwhelm.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: syncro]
#28108193 - 12/22/22 03:54 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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On my first trip, the consumption of cigarettes was a way to judge how much time had passed. (i.e. the pack became reduced by 10 meant that no more than 4 hours had passed at my maximum smokeage at that time.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
#28108209 - 12/22/22 04:48 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I think the "familiar spirits", which I sometimes call the standard go-tos, caffeine, nicotine, even thc to a lesser extent depending, hinder more refined experience which would make sense. They are all natural insecticides that we buzz on. Problem is I sprint like mad from the sober state if not well behaved in practice routine which I easily spoil in finding that which makes anxiety.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear] 1
#28109486 - 12/23/22 03:47 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, SSRI antidepressants do that. I have taken mushrooms when I was in some SSRI for about 10 years. I still had wry pleasant effects like the brain storm, various thoughts and fantasies that seemed very real inside my mind. But as far as visuals, I barely saw any.
That said the SSRIs have been helping me very much and I am very thankful for them. Without them I could have absolutely extreme anxiety and depression. I could feel my thoughts were in constant panic mode and the more I was in that state the more my mind felt like a slowly falling apart jigsaw puzzle. Basically I could not function right.
With SSRIs, which is in my case Cymbalta(Duloxetine) which is an SSNRI (extra N) my mind still feels fear and anxiety but I feel I can at least think rationally and have greater control of my state of mind. Basically it’s a life saver. Before that I tried Zoloft, Paxil, Lexapro, and some others. They all have some side effects to different degrees. It can be increased sweating, could be sexual dysfunction, could be increased appetite. Could also be too emotion numbing. Duloxetine has fewest side effects for me which I am very glad to keep taking.
If that means not having hallucinations from psychedelics then I can live with that.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: Hot Yogurt]
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Mushrooms are frequently grown without shit these days, that might be your problem. How much acid are we talking cause Ill trip solid on 200ug and won't get real visuals until 300ug. I just usually dont cause I get hangovers and prefer mush come up nausea over lucy hangover. Kikes stopped serving tho, and they would surely bust me if they couldnt poison me with truth serum or at least I suspect(never been a lil box full of ticky tack). it's never really been about the visuals, try smoking dmt if you dont get visuals your fubar. That would suck cause ive only been able to achieve obe thru dmt and have spent days meditating in temples
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: Hot Yogurt]
#28109709 - 12/23/22 09:31 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hot Yogurt said: Yes, SSRI antidepressants do that. I have taken mushrooms when I was in some SSRI for about 10 years. I still had wry pleasant effects like the brain storm, various thoughts and fantasies that seemed very real inside my mind. But as far as visuals, I barely saw any.
That said the SSRIs have been helping me very much and I am very thankful for them. Without them I could have absolutely extreme anxiety and depression. I could feel my thoughts were in constant panic mode and the more I was in that state the more my mind felt like a slowly falling apart jigsaw puzzle. Basically I could not function right.
With SSRIs, which is in my case Cymbalta(Duloxetine) which is an SSNRI (extra N) my mind still feels fear and anxiety but I feel I can at least think rationally and have greater control of my state of mind. Basically it’s a life saver. Before that I tried Zoloft, Paxil, Lexapro, and some others. They all have some side effects to different degrees. It can be increased sweating, could be sexual dysfunction, could be increased appetite. Could also be too emotion numbing. Duloxetine has fewest side effects for me which I am very glad to keep taking.
If that means not having hallucinations from psychedelics then I can live with that.
I don't take SSRI's... maybe you didn't read my comment where I said it's been 3 years. It's permanent.
Maybe for you, if you have extreme anxiety, you need the meds. I don't. I don't have any mental illnesses and most people don't, either.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly] 1
#28109712 - 12/23/22 09:35 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: I'll trust psychiatry over you on this one, I don't believe zoloft stopped psychedelics for you. Ssris are useless imo but it sounds wack to me to suggest that psychedelics don't work for you after 3 years, because of zoloft.
I'd bet there are other drugs you're taking, the psychedelics you take are fake or dosed too low, or you are from a psych ward and/or making stuff up.
Oh yeah bud, I'm just hiding the fact that I'm nodding on fent right now. I'm also mentally ill and in a p$ych ward. Lmfao. I don't take any drugs, but ok. WEIRD of you to say that I am lying about how I use drugs -- I don't use any drugs, I stopped even smoking weed for 1 year -- I don't even drink alcohol, I'm sober and actually prefer to be sober!
As for the psychedelics being fake, when have you ever heard of AbloneLSD having bad quality LSD? That was the best LSD vendor.
Secondly, how is it that I can take an 8th of mushrooms and feel the mental high of an 8th of mushrooms but I have low quality mushrooms? Before Zoloft, I had the same mental high, but I had visuals, too. LSD is no different -- I get extremely strong mental highs, but no visuals. I know what FAKE LSD is like -- IT'S OBVIOUS; It has a taste and so on. There are indicators that your acid is fake. IF I took it and didn't notice the normal LSD effects then I would freak out and google it. I researched before using it to know my LSD is real. So why do you assume I'm some crazy liar instead of asking questions... EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL. LEARN FROM THIS MISTAKE. Imagine you were me and the world thinks you're just a crazy fool when you're speaking about common sense FACTS. Especially about MYSELF. I am the expert of me not you!
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear] 1
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your visuals will probably come back when you no longer give a shit about it. it could creep in as you are falling asleep or waking up and not even near a mushroom trip or it could run all over you after a toke of weed.
or never.
our sensory perception psyche complex plays a few tricky karma-ish games, and there is an evolutionary benefit to that so we don't get totally caught up in one thing.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
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sudly said: I'll trust psychiatry over you on this one, I don't believe zoloft stopped psychedelics for you. Ssris are useless imo but it sounds wack to me to suggest that psychedelics don't work for you after 3 years, because of zoloft.
I'd bet there are other drugs you're taking, the psychedelics you take are fake or dosed too low, or you are from a psych ward and/or making stuff up.
Oh yeah bud, I'm just hiding the fact that I'm nodding on fent right now. I'm also mentally ill and in a p$ych ward. Lmfao. I don't take any drugs, but ok. WEIRD of you to say that I am lying about how I use drugs -- I don't use any drugs, I stopped even smoking weed for 1 year -- I don't even drink alcohol, I'm sober and actually prefer to be sober!
As for the psychedelics being fake, when have you ever heard of AbloneLSD having bad quality LSD? That was the best LSD vendor.
Secondly, how is it that I can take an 8th of mushrooms and feel the mental high of an 8th of mushrooms but I have low quality mushrooms? Before Zoloft, I had the same mental high, but I had visuals, too. LSD is no different -- I get extremely strong mental highs, but no visuals. I know what FAKE LSD is like -- IT'S OBVIOUS; It has a taste and so on. There are indicators that your acid is fake. IF I took it and didn't notice the normal LSD effects then I would freak out and google it. I researched before using it to know my LSD is real. So why do you assume I'm some crazy liar instead of asking questions... EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL. LEARN FROM THIS MISTAKE. Imagine you were me and the world thinks you're just a crazy fool when you're speaking about common sense FACTS. Especially about MYSELF. I am the expert of me not you!
What proof do you have for a causal link that isn't anecdotal in nature?
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For the study middle-aged female monkeys were chosen because depression is nearly twice as common in women and antidepressants are most commonly used in women aged 40 to 59. In the first 18 months phase of the study, the monkeys were fed a diet that replicated a typical American diet. During this time, their depressive behaviour was recorded. For the next 18 months, they were divided into two groups. One group received sertraline in daily doses comparable to those taken by humans. This was equivalent to humans taking the drug for five years.
The other group received a placebo. Afterwards, MRI imaging revealed that in depressed monkeys the drug significantly increased the volume of the anterior cingulate cortex.In the non-depressed monkeys it decreased this and the hippocampus.
CAUTION NOT ALARM
"This is the first time this has been clearly shown and it should raise caution but not alarm, " says Mitchell, who is also a professorial fellow at The Black Dog Institute. "Sure it is not in humans, but it has tantalising possibilities. It is throwing up the possibility that these drugs may be doing different things in people who are not depressed."
"Perhaps we should be a bit more cautious than we are at the moment, about who we use antidepressants for. We need more research."
He notes, however, that SSRI's have been in use for some 25 years and there is no evidence of brain damage or a negative impact on intellectual capacity. But the caution here is about subtle changes. International collaborative research, published in June this year, concluded that brain damage is caused by persistent depression rather than being a predisposing factor for it.
Published in Molecular Psychiatry, it involved scans of 9000 people and proved recurrent depression shrinks the hippocampus. As a single episode does not, it raises an argument for early identification of the more severe persistent or recurrent cases. Experts noted the hippocampus was a regenerative area of the brain and the effects of depression were reversible with appropriate treatment.
https://www.unsw.edu.au/news/2019/03/what-antidepressants-can-do-to-a-brain-that-is-not-depressed#:~:text=There's%20a%20word%20of%20warning,who%20are%20not%20really%20depressed.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
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I believe something similar happened to me after being on antipsychotics as a kid. I remember things being so much more "real" and familiar" until then. As I trip and microdose more I have begun having memories from my childhood in more detail than before. The same but real.
I have done a lot of research into upregulating 2a receptors, perhaps this can help you. I will get the links?
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
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sudly said: I'll trust psychiatry over you on this one, I don't believe zoloft stopped psychedelics for you. Ssris are useless imo but it sounds wack to me to suggest that psychedelics don't work for you after 3 years, because of zoloft.
I'd bet there are other drugs you're taking, the psychedelics you take are fake or dosed too low, or you are from a psych ward and/or making stuff up.
Oh yeah bud, I'm just hiding the fact that I'm nodding on fent right now. I'm also mentally ill and in a p$ych ward. Lmfao. I don't take any drugs, but ok. WEIRD of you to say that I am lying about how I use drugs -- I don't use any drugs, I stopped even smoking weed for 1 year -- I don't even drink alcohol, I'm sober and actually prefer to be sober!
As for the psychedelics being fake, when have you ever heard of AbloneLSD having bad quality LSD? That was the best LSD vendor.
Secondly, how is it that I can take an 8th of mushrooms and feel the mental high of an 8th of mushrooms but I have low quality mushrooms? Before Zoloft, I had the same mental high, but I had visuals, too. LSD is no different -- I get extremely strong mental highs, but no visuals. I know what FAKE LSD is like -- IT'S OBVIOUS; It has a taste and so on. There are indicators that your acid is fake. IF I took it and didn't notice the normal LSD effects then I would freak out and google it. I researched before using it to know my LSD is real. So why do you assume I'm some crazy liar instead of asking questions... EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL. LEARN FROM THIS MISTAKE. Imagine you were me and the world thinks you're just a crazy fool when you're speaking about common sense FACTS. Especially about MYSELF. I am the expert of me not you!
What proof do you have for a causal link that isn't anecdotal in nature?
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For the study middle-aged female monkeys were chosen because depression is nearly twice as common in women and antidepressants are most commonly used in women aged 40 to 59. In the first 18 months phase of the study, the monkeys were fed a diet that replicated a typical American diet. During this time, their depressive behaviour was recorded. For the next 18 months, they were divided into two groups. One group received sertraline in daily doses comparable to those taken by humans. This was equivalent to humans taking the drug for five years.
The other group received a placebo. Afterwards, MRI imaging revealed that in depressed monkeys the drug significantly increased the volume of the anterior cingulate cortex.In the non-depressed monkeys it decreased this and the hippocampus.
CAUTION NOT ALARM
"This is the first time this has been clearly shown and it should raise caution but not alarm, " says Mitchell, who is also a professorial fellow at The Black Dog Institute. "Sure it is not in humans, but it has tantalising possibilities. It is throwing up the possibility that these drugs may be doing different things in people who are not depressed."
"Perhaps we should be a bit more cautious than we are at the moment, about who we use antidepressants for. We need more research."
He notes, however, that SSRI's have been in use for some 25 years and there is no evidence of brain damage or a negative impact on intellectual capacity. But the caution here is about subtle changes. International collaborative research, published in June this year, concluded that brain damage is caused by persistent depression rather than being a predisposing factor for it.
Published in Molecular Psychiatry, it involved scans of 9000 people and proved recurrent depression shrinks the hippocampus. As a single episode does not, it raises an argument for early identification of the more severe persistent or recurrent cases. Experts noted the hippocampus was a regenerative area of the brain and the effects of depression were reversible with appropriate treatment.
https://www.unsw.edu.au/news/2019/03/what-antidepressants-can-do-to-a-brain-that-is-not-depressed#:~:text=There's%20a%20word%20of%20warning,who%20are%20not%20really%20depressed.
Why should I believe you?
This says absolutely nothing.
First off, we don't know how the brain works. Our understanding of it is in its infancy.
Just because something grows doesn't mean it's good.
Is it good to drink water? Yeah. Is it good to drink 10 gallons of water a day? No. You'll die.
You want to focus on a study but ignore the person who took the antidepressant. You should listen because I actually took it, and yes, it definitely took away my visuals ... why else would I lose my visuals?
You'll believe what you want to believe. Psychiatry is eugenics. You and your friend group will pay for it and in the future you will realize it was just pseudoscience that you all believed in while I'll be on another level. This is how it happens. I learned my lesson, yours is coming soon.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
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I don't hear a shred of personal responsibility.
If you want to stick to your anecdotes.. you do you.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
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If you want to stick to your anecdotes.. you do you.
What does informing people of the dangers of SSRI's have to do with personal responsibility?
The mind of a psychiatry cultist is truly bizzare!
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said: your visuals will probably come back when you no longer give a shit about it. it could creep in as you are falling asleep or waking up and not even near a mushroom trip or it could run all over you after a toke of weed.
or never.
our sensory perception psyche complex plays a few tricky karma-ish games, and there is an evolutionary benefit to that so we don't get totally caught up in one thing.
A+ post imo
I remember the first time I took salvia and it didn't impact me. Same with LSD. But the friends with me went places. Shrooms have always managed to give me altered perceptions though. No SSRIs here. Just the oddities of life.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: Kickle]
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redgreenvines said: your visuals will probably come back when you no longer give a shit about it. it could creep in as you are falling asleep or waking up and not even near a mushroom trip or it could run all over you after a toke of weed.
or never.
our sensory perception psyche complex plays a few tricky karma-ish games, and there is an evolutionary benefit to that so we don't get totally caught up in one thing.
A+ post imo
I remember the first time I took salvia and it didn't impact me. Same with LSD. But the friends with me went places. Shrooms have always managed to give me altered perceptions though. No SSRIs here. Just the oddities of life.
Hopefully it's true but if 300ug of AbloneLSD WoW tabs don't give me visuals, I don't know what will; the mental high was next level, it felt like an alien force was granted control of my reality. Everyone became god unveiled or something like that. I basically felt like I was alone in another dimension away from all of the people I used to know, or they were an illusion, the scary thing was there was no feeling of a one reality that makes sense, it felt very chaotic.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
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My guess is you are withholding from your self but I could be wrong. nahhh
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
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redgreenvines said: My guess is you are withholding from your self but I could be wrong. nahhh
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: DividedQuantum]
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DividedQuantum said: IME pharmaceutical psychiatric therapies screw a lot of people over, help many others, and save the lives of quite a few. There's no one blanket statement with which you can address the situation. Yes, they desensitize. But I am aware of schizophrenic patients recovering their ability to live in consensus reality with no appreciable side effects from their medications.
Im one of them
I still have visuals on LSD SSRI can deteriorate visuals on it Ive heard but the L is good and strong with the Sertraline here
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
#28113019 - 12/26/22 03:28 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: your visuals will probably come back when you no longer give a shit about it. it could creep in as you are falling asleep or waking up and not even near a mushroom trip or it could run all over you after a toke of weed.
or never.
our sensory perception psyche complex plays a few tricky karma-ish games, and there is an evolutionary benefit to that so we don't get totally caught up in one thing.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: symbaline]
#28113291 - 12/26/22 07:28 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: IME pharmaceutical psychiatric therapies screw a lot of people over, help many others, and save the lives of quite a few. There's no one blanket statement with which you can address the situation. Yes, they desensitize. But I am aware of schizophrenic patients recovering their ability to live in consensus reality with no appreciable side effects from their medications.
Im one of them
I still have visuals on LSD SSRI can deteriorate visuals on it Ive heard but the L is good and strong with the Sertraline here
Hey, glad to hear! If you're interested in PMing me, I'd love to hear your story. But regardless, thanks for chiming in.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
#28120717 - 01/02/23 04:24 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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He sounds like a nutjob. The kind that will use many phrases to say that everyone else is wrong, and that he or she absolutely knows what is what with absolute unquestionable certainty. Actually sounds like a Christian fundamentalist type.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28120719 - 01/02/23 04:36 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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sudly said: I don't hear a shred of personal responsibility.
If you want to stick to your anecdotes.. you do you.
What does informing people of the dangers of SSRI's have to do with personal responsibility?
The mind of a psychiatry cultist is truly bizzare!
You are the cultist here.
The problem is that your “warnings” about SSRIs (and by the way, why only SSRIs?) is that your warnings are nonsense while antidepressants actually help people.
Your “warnings” barely contain any evidence for the claims these they contain, whether it is a link to an article, or your own typed words. On the other hand the SSRIs and other antidepressants are at least required to provide some verifiable data and thorough information to the FDA (for those who are in the US) or for their country’s respective agency. And finally because antidepressants actually do objectively help people.
What you do is you tell people stories that may convince them to stop taking either their antidepressants or some other medication they need for mental health and then these people may get into real threatening situation with their health because if that.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: Hot Yogurt]
#28145318 - 01/18/23 12:24 AM (1 year, 10 days ago) |
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sudly said: I don't hear a shred of personal responsibility.
If you want to stick to your anecdotes.. you do you.
What does informing people of the dangers of SSRI's have to do with personal responsibility?
The mind of a psychiatry cultist is truly bizzare!
You are the cultist here.
The problem is that your “warnings” about SSRIs (and by the way, why only SSRIs?) is that your warnings are nonsense while antidepressants actually help people.
Your “warnings” barely contain any evidence for the claims these they contain, whether it is a link to an article, or your own typed words. On the other hand the SSRIs and other antidepressants are at least required to provide some verifiable data and thorough information to the FDA (for those who are in the US) or for their country’s respective agency. And finally because antidepressants actually do objectively help people.
What you do is you tell people stories that may convince them to stop taking either their antidepressants or some other medication they need for mental health and then these people may get into real threatening situation with their health because if that.
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sudly said: I don't hear a shred of personal responsibility.
If you want to stick to your anecdotes.. you do you.
What does informing people of the dangers of SSRI's have to do with personal responsibility?
The mind of a psychiatry cultist is truly bizzare!
You are the cultist here.
The problem is that your “warnings” about SSRIs (and by the way, why only SSRIs?) is that your warnings are nonsense while antidepressants actually help people.
Your “warnings” barely contain any evidence for the claims these they contain, whether it is a link to an article, or your own typed words. On the other hand the SSRIs and other antidepressants are at least required to provide some verifiable data and thorough information to the FDA (for those who are in the US) or for their country’s respective agency. And finally because antidepressants actually do objectively help people.
What you do is you tell people stories that may convince them to stop taking either their antidepressants or some other medication they need for mental health and then these people may get into real threatening situation with their health because if that.
Survival of the fittest, I guess. Keep on taking your "medications" boys. Can't wait to see you guys becoming infertile and having tardive dyskinesia. Have fun. Same group of fools risking ruining their brain and life with psychedelics.
If medications "objectively helped" people, then psychiatrists would know how they work. In fact they don't. But it doesn't matter. You don't care about the truth. That's why you use experimental drugs like psychedelics which can one day ruin your brain. You're all the same. You have no appreciation for your health which is why you use drugs. Keep being a fool, whatever. I can't control you. I can't help you.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28145356 - 01/18/23 01:53 AM (1 year, 10 days ago) |
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You calling mushrooms experimental drugs?
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: aintlifegrand]
#28417816 - 08/02/23 07:44 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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aintlifegrand said: You calling mushrooms experimental drugs?
What??? Why would anyone call shrooms an experimental drug? It's an amazing safe drug which Big Pharma knows is better than nearly all of their medications. Shrooms have little to no side effects. It's probably divine in fact.
However, Big Pharma wants to take over the market that shrooms occupies. Even better for them, their medications create side effects and don't fix the problems of the patients -- their "medications" primarily amplify their problems and make them even more dependent on Big Pharma. They make it seem like we're struggling to find a cure for many of these "mental illnesses" which were manufactured by the system in the first place. They offer a fake cure that only makes them come back for more. If it was just shrooms, the patient might just take it a few times a year and be done with it. But with "medications", the patient must take it every single day, 365 doses a year.
Furthermore, Big Pharma has its hands in the medical industry so when the patients inevitably get severe side effects from the "medications" such as tardive dyskinesia, they also get more money from there too!
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28417878 - 08/02/23 08:48 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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The effects of SSRIs on psychedelics are well known and have been known for many years.
You can always dose higher, or go off your meds for a few weeks.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: nooneman] 1
#28417943 - 08/02/23 09:49 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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Pharma might not appreciate being called "Big Pharma." How about we just call her plain old Pharma without the size shaming. Just because she is Rubenesque doesn't mean she isn't attractive and wonderful in her own way.
Sorry,... not she, "they" sorry. Gender neutral!
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: nooneman]
#28417959 - 08/02/23 10:00 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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nooneman said: The effects of SSRIs on psychedelics are well known and have been known for many years.
You can always dose higher, or go off your meds for a few weeks.
Yeah I tried asking that..
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sudly said: Ssris block the reuptake of serotonin, and psychedelics like psilocybin or lsd use the same pathway as serotonin.
For several weeks after your last use of zoloft or any ssri, this effect will occur dampening any psychedelic effects.
It's been almost 3 years.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
#28418219 - 08/03/23 04:44 AM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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sorry pharma is a greedy pig and it gets away with murder because it is a Big Pig.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
#28418266 - 08/03/23 05:58 AM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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I went through a period of deep depression sometime after a seriously unfortunate breakup and eventually I relented to outside pressure to try an SSRI - due to seemingly having much diminished a capacity for caring for much at all at that time - and in doing so I became much depressed, flattened in terms of emotionality, ability to express myself, loss of interest in nearly everything to a degree that's difficult to fathom unless you've been there before, on top of easily becoming more hostile in general - lastly, and, imho&e, worst of all - I couldn't trip . Uber depressing.
I find it difficult to even describe what that was like. SSRI's and other substances like them, as in SNRI's etc, etc - At least for myself? I think they're near the bottom of the barrel drugs & totally garbage in terms of class(es) of chems for whatever biopsychic ails one might be experiencing.
Anyways, I waited patiently for 6 months after having withdrawn from said SSRI (which, btw, lasted for about 1-3 months - with the intensity of the nasty w/d symptoms eventually lessening, & thankfully greatly so over time) before I was able to trip well & truly once again.
Can't say I miss it. Lessons learned, thoroughly.
Got better naturally with time and into the better flow of things with tripping and sitting and the rest is history.
Mushies & Lysergamides forever.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
#28418756 - 08/03/23 01:22 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: sorry pharma is a greedy pig and it gets away with murder because it is a Big Pig.
Yeah but I've never seen evidence that ssris hinder psychedelic effects for 3 years after use.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
#28418763 - 08/03/23 01:31 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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what is your usual psychedelic hindrance period from ssri's, is it related to duration of course of treatment and variety of ssri, any permanent ssri modifications among the serotonin receptors?
these are areas I have not explored, and really don't want to but if you have the good true info I want to hear it once and for all.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
#28418835 - 08/03/23 02:21 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: what is your usual psychedelic hindrance period from ssri's, is it related to duration of course of treatment and variety of ssri, any permanent ssri modifications among the serotonin receptors?
these are areas I have not explored, and really don't want to but if you have the good true info I want to hear it once and for all.
1-3 months according to this study. No where near the 3 years suggested by iPear.
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The findings of the study suggest that using antidepressant medications, specifically SSRIs and SNRIs, concurrently with psilocybin (the active compound in magic mushrooms) may weaken the effects of psilocybin in some individuals. However, this effect was observed in only about half of the participants.
“About half of people on an SSRI or SNRI reported lower than expected drug effects when taking psilocybin together with their antidepressant,” Gukasyan told PsyPost. “Based on anecdotal reports we expected this number to be higher.”
The researchers also found that the likelihood of reduced psilocybin effects decreases over time after discontinuing SSRIs or SNRIs, but this reduction may still be significant for up to 1-3 months after discontinuation. The finding was not strongly influenced by fluoxetine, an SSRI with a long half-life. This suggests that the decreased effects of psilocybin are likely due to longer-term changes in the brain rather than the immediate effects of the antidepressant.
“Commonly used antidepressants (e.g. SSRI’s, SNRI’s) may be associated with reduced psychedelic drug effects, and this may last even 1-3 months after discontinuing an antidepressant,” Gukasyan explained to PsyPost. “The effect is less pronounced with antidepressants whose mechanisms do not involve serotonin, such as bupropion (Wellbutrin).”
“The duration of these effects suggests that this change is mediated by something other than serum drug levels. We suspect that it may be related to antidepressant-induced changes in serotonin receptor density, which can take a few months or more to return to higher levels after medication is discontinued.”
In clinical trials, psilocybin is typically not given to participants who are taking serotonergic antidepressants due to concerns about reduced efficacy and potential adverse interactions such as serotonin syndrome. However, the study did not find clear evidence that higher doses of antidepressants or longer duration of use lead to a greater reduction in psilocybin effects.
“We also expected that people who were on antidepressants for longer periods of time would be more likely to see reduced psilocybin effects, but we found the opposite: those who reported being on medications for >12 months had lower likelihood compared to those who had been on them for shorter periods of time,” Gukasyan said. “This might have been related to sampling issues (i.e. not enough respondents who had info about using a psychedelic shortly after discontinuing the medication).”
https://www.psypost.org/2023/06/antidepressants-may-diminish-psilocybins-effects-even-after-discontinuation-165826
3 years would be quite an extreme outlier and a case study of its own.
Again I would've thought any mushrooms used three years after ssris to no effect were excessively oxidized or just aged to little potency. And Lucy, maybe fake..
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
#28418852 - 08/03/23 02:35 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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Hnnn...it would depend, but that kinda sounds about right, more or less, for a large majority of cases at least anyways. Myself, I was overly cautious and did not want my first dive back into tripping after i'd gotten clear of the withdrawals from the SSRI I'd been on daily for approx. ~ 9 or so months (weaned myself off) to end up being a huge disappointment somehow.
The above took place sometime during the pandemic, mid lockdowns, btw. So lame... 
*Spoiler Alert*: It all 'came back'. 
Idk what could be going on with OP but if I were him/her or w/e then i'd probably try to be a bit more rigorous wrt 'testing' and also slightly more open minded as to the nature of what's really going on with this particular matter. Just in case.
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