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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
#28111065 - 12/24/22 12:19 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: your visuals will probably come back when you no longer give a shit about it. it could creep in as you are falling asleep or waking up and not even near a mushroom trip or it could run all over you after a toke of weed.
or never.
our sensory perception psyche complex plays a few tricky karma-ish games, and there is an evolutionary benefit to that so we don't get totally caught up in one thing.
A+ post imo
I remember the first time I took salvia and it didn't impact me. Same with LSD. But the friends with me went places. Shrooms have always managed to give me altered perceptions though. No SSRIs here. Just the oddities of life.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: Kickle]
#28111381 - 12/24/22 06:29 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: your visuals will probably come back when you no longer give a shit about it. it could creep in as you are falling asleep or waking up and not even near a mushroom trip or it could run all over you after a toke of weed.
or never.
our sensory perception psyche complex plays a few tricky karma-ish games, and there is an evolutionary benefit to that so we don't get totally caught up in one thing.
A+ post imo
I remember the first time I took salvia and it didn't impact me. Same with LSD. But the friends with me went places. Shrooms have always managed to give me altered perceptions though. No SSRIs here. Just the oddities of life.
Hopefully it's true but if 300ug of AbloneLSD WoW tabs don't give me visuals, I don't know what will; the mental high was next level, it felt like an alien force was granted control of my reality. Everyone became god unveiled or something like that. I basically felt like I was alone in another dimension away from all of the people I used to know, or they were an illusion, the scary thing was there was no feeling of a one reality that makes sense, it felt very chaotic.
So yeah idk
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28111394 - 12/24/22 06:51 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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My guess is you are withholding from your self but I could be wrong. nahhh
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
#28111989 - 12/25/22 11:12 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: My guess is you are withholding from your self but I could be wrong. nahhh
withholding what
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28111995 - 12/25/22 11:26 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: DividedQuantum]
#28113017 - 12/26/22 03:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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DividedQuantum said: IME pharmaceutical psychiatric therapies screw a lot of people over, help many others, and save the lives of quite a few. There's no one blanket statement with which you can address the situation. Yes, they desensitize. But I am aware of schizophrenic patients recovering their ability to live in consensus reality with no appreciable side effects from their medications.
Im one of them
I still have visuals on LSD SSRI can deteriorate visuals on it Ive heard but the L is good and strong with the Sertraline here
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
#28113019 - 12/26/22 03:28 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: your visuals will probably come back when you no longer give a shit about it. it could creep in as you are falling asleep or waking up and not even near a mushroom trip or it could run all over you after a toke of weed.
or never.
our sensory perception psyche complex plays a few tricky karma-ish games, and there is an evolutionary benefit to that so we don't get totally caught up in one thing.
So true
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: symbaline]
#28113291 - 12/26/22 07:28 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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symbaline said:
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DividedQuantum said: IME pharmaceutical psychiatric therapies screw a lot of people over, help many others, and save the lives of quite a few. There's no one blanket statement with which you can address the situation. Yes, they desensitize. But I am aware of schizophrenic patients recovering their ability to live in consensus reality with no appreciable side effects from their medications.
Im one of them
I still have visuals on LSD SSRI can deteriorate visuals on it Ive heard but the L is good and strong with the Sertraline here
Hey, glad to hear! If you're interested in PMing me, I'd love to hear your story. But regardless, thanks for chiming in.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
#28120717 - 01/02/23 04:24 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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He sounds like a nutjob. The kind that will use many phrases to say that everyone else is wrong, and that he or she absolutely knows what is what with absolute unquestionable certainty. Actually sounds like a Christian fundamentalist type.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28120719 - 01/02/23 04:36 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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sudly said: I don't hear a shred of personal responsibility.
If you want to stick to your anecdotes.. you do you.
What does informing people of the dangers of SSRI's have to do with personal responsibility?
The mind of a psychiatry cultist is truly bizzare!
You are the cultist here.
The problem is that your “warnings” about SSRIs (and by the way, why only SSRIs?) is that your warnings are nonsense while antidepressants actually help people.
Your “warnings” barely contain any evidence for the claims these they contain, whether it is a link to an article, or your own typed words. On the other hand the SSRIs and other antidepressants are at least required to provide some verifiable data and thorough information to the FDA (for those who are in the US) or for their country’s respective agency. And finally because antidepressants actually do objectively help people.
What you do is you tell people stories that may convince them to stop taking either their antidepressants or some other medication they need for mental health and then these people may get into real threatening situation with their health because if that.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: Hot Yogurt]
#28145318 - 01/18/23 12:24 AM (1 year, 10 days ago) |
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sudly said: I don't hear a shred of personal responsibility.
If you want to stick to your anecdotes.. you do you.
What does informing people of the dangers of SSRI's have to do with personal responsibility?
The mind of a psychiatry cultist is truly bizzare!
You are the cultist here.
The problem is that your “warnings” about SSRIs (and by the way, why only SSRIs?) is that your warnings are nonsense while antidepressants actually help people.
Your “warnings” barely contain any evidence for the claims these they contain, whether it is a link to an article, or your own typed words. On the other hand the SSRIs and other antidepressants are at least required to provide some verifiable data and thorough information to the FDA (for those who are in the US) or for their country’s respective agency. And finally because antidepressants actually do objectively help people.
What you do is you tell people stories that may convince them to stop taking either their antidepressants or some other medication they need for mental health and then these people may get into real threatening situation with their health because if that.
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sudly said: I don't hear a shred of personal responsibility.
If you want to stick to your anecdotes.. you do you.
What does informing people of the dangers of SSRI's have to do with personal responsibility?
The mind of a psychiatry cultist is truly bizzare!
You are the cultist here.
The problem is that your “warnings” about SSRIs (and by the way, why only SSRIs?) is that your warnings are nonsense while antidepressants actually help people.
Your “warnings” barely contain any evidence for the claims these they contain, whether it is a link to an article, or your own typed words. On the other hand the SSRIs and other antidepressants are at least required to provide some verifiable data and thorough information to the FDA (for those who are in the US) or for their country’s respective agency. And finally because antidepressants actually do objectively help people.
What you do is you tell people stories that may convince them to stop taking either their antidepressants or some other medication they need for mental health and then these people may get into real threatening situation with their health because if that.
Survival of the fittest, I guess. Keep on taking your "medications" boys. Can't wait to see you guys becoming infertile and having tardive dyskinesia. Have fun. Same group of fools risking ruining their brain and life with psychedelics.
If medications "objectively helped" people, then psychiatrists would know how they work. In fact they don't. But it doesn't matter. You don't care about the truth. That's why you use experimental drugs like psychedelics which can one day ruin your brain. You're all the same. You have no appreciation for your health which is why you use drugs. Keep being a fool, whatever. I can't control you. I can't help you.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28145356 - 01/18/23 01:53 AM (1 year, 10 days ago) |
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You calling mushrooms experimental drugs?
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: aintlifegrand]
#28417816 - 08/02/23 07:44 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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aintlifegrand said: You calling mushrooms experimental drugs?
What??? Why would anyone call shrooms an experimental drug? It's an amazing safe drug which Big Pharma knows is better than nearly all of their medications. Shrooms have little to no side effects. It's probably divine in fact.
However, Big Pharma wants to take over the market that shrooms occupies. Even better for them, their medications create side effects and don't fix the problems of the patients -- their "medications" primarily amplify their problems and make them even more dependent on Big Pharma. They make it seem like we're struggling to find a cure for many of these "mental illnesses" which were manufactured by the system in the first place. They offer a fake cure that only makes them come back for more. If it was just shrooms, the patient might just take it a few times a year and be done with it. But with "medications", the patient must take it every single day, 365 doses a year.
Furthermore, Big Pharma has its hands in the medical industry so when the patients inevitably get severe side effects from the "medications" such as tardive dyskinesia, they also get more money from there too!
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28417878 - 08/02/23 08:48 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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The effects of SSRIs on psychedelics are well known and have been known for many years.
You can always dose higher, or go off your meds for a few weeks.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: nooneman] 1
#28417943 - 08/02/23 09:49 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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Pharma might not appreciate being called "Big Pharma." How about we just call her plain old Pharma without the size shaming. Just because she is Rubenesque doesn't mean she isn't attractive and wonderful in her own way.
Sorry,... not she, "they" sorry. Gender neutral!
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: nooneman]
#28417959 - 08/02/23 10:00 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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nooneman said: The effects of SSRIs on psychedelics are well known and have been known for many years.
You can always dose higher, or go off your meds for a few weeks.
Yeah I tried asking that..
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sudly said: Ssris block the reuptake of serotonin, and psychedelics like psilocybin or lsd use the same pathway as serotonin.
For several weeks after your last use of zoloft or any ssri, this effect will occur dampening any psychedelic effects.
It's been almost 3 years.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
#28418219 - 08/03/23 04:44 AM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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sorry pharma is a greedy pig and it gets away with murder because it is a Big Pig.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
#28418266 - 08/03/23 05:58 AM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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I went through a period of deep depression sometime after a seriously unfortunate breakup and eventually I relented to outside pressure to try an SSRI - due to seemingly having much diminished a capacity for caring for much at all at that time - and in doing so I became much depressed, flattened in terms of emotionality, ability to express myself, loss of interest in nearly everything to a degree that's difficult to fathom unless you've been there before, on top of easily becoming more hostile in general - lastly, and, imho&e, worst of all - I couldn't trip . Uber depressing.
I find it difficult to even describe what that was like. SSRI's and other substances like them, as in SNRI's etc, etc - At least for myself? I think they're near the bottom of the barrel drugs & totally garbage in terms of class(es) of chems for whatever biopsychic ails one might be experiencing.
Anyways, I waited patiently for 6 months after having withdrawn from said SSRI (which, btw, lasted for about 1-3 months - with the intensity of the nasty w/d symptoms eventually lessening, & thankfully greatly so over time) before I was able to trip well & truly once again.
Can't say I miss it. Lessons learned, thoroughly.
Got better naturally with time and into the better flow of things with tripping and sitting and the rest is history.
Mushies & Lysergamides forever.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
#28418756 - 08/03/23 01:22 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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redgreenvines said: sorry pharma is a greedy pig and it gets away with murder because it is a Big Pig.
Yeah but I've never seen evidence that ssris hinder psychedelic effects for 3 years after use.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
#28418763 - 08/03/23 01:31 PM (5 months, 23 days ago) |
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what is your usual psychedelic hindrance period from ssri's, is it related to duration of course of treatment and variety of ssri, any permanent ssri modifications among the serotonin receptors?
these are areas I have not explored, and really don't want to but if you have the good true info I want to hear it once and for all.
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