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Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance
#28107555 - 12/21/22 03:43 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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LSD, Mushrooms, doesn't matter.
Damn, I was so young when I joined this forum, almost 10 years ago. I was 17 still. I made a thread talking about how I tried a small amount of Salvia (first psychedelic) and the next day, I saw a book breathe. I was so freaked out that I thought I had depersonalization and shit.
I used to think I was depressed. I went to a psychiatrist for help and so on. It's all BS to me... the medications are horrible for you. I now have permanent side effects and am unable to trip like I used to. The "medications" truly CHANGED my brain!
I'm now 27 and so much different than I was 10 years ago, when I thought I was helplessly depressed.
I just wanted to post this to let everyone know not to trust psychiatry unless they actually need it. I kinda think that the people making these "medications" are purposely poisoning people like me. Eugenics basically...
I miss my ORIGINAL brain. The brain that nature gave me. There's NO going back!!! I've been falsely pathologized by society and ultimately, the "doctors". I am now Anti-Psychiatry!
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28107598 - 12/21/22 04:29 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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IME pharmaceutical psychiatric therapies screw a lot of people over, help many others, and save the lives of quite a few. There's no one blanket statement with which you can address the situation. Yes, they desensitize. But I am aware of schizophrenic patients recovering their ability to live in consensus reality with no appreciable side effects from their medications.
For certain others, psychiatric drugs make them miserable and make the situation worse than the original malady, sort of like chemo and cancer. Just depends on the person, and his or her unique brain chemistry.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28107625 - 12/21/22 04:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Ssris block the reuptake of serotonin, and psychedelics like psilocybin or lsd use the same pathway as serotonin.
For several weeks after your last use of zoloft or any ssri, this effect will occur dampening any psychedelic effects.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
#28107902 - 12/21/22 07:45 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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sorry about the salvia problem. I used to post about it enthusiastically but with caution.
Psych meds suck and the people who push them on people that do not need them suck worse
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
#28107930 - 12/21/22 08:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: Ssris block the reuptake of serotonin, and psychedelics like psilocybin or lsd use the same pathway as serotonin.
For several weeks after your last use of zoloft or any ssri, this effect will occur dampening any psychedelic effects.
It's been almost 3 years.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
#28107933 - 12/21/22 08:19 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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redgreenvines said: sorry about the salvia problem. I used to post about it enthusiastically but with caution.
Psych meds suck and the people who push them on people that do not need them suck worse
I don't think I have depersonalization anymore. That was when I was ~17.
As for psych meds, yeah. I've even worked in psych wards and saw how corrupt this industry is. It's mostly pseudoscience.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28107976 - 12/21/22 08:58 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I'll trust psychiatry over you on this one, I don't believe zoloft stopped psychedelics for you. Ssris are useless imo but it sounds wack to me to suggest that psychedelics don't work for you after 3 years, because of zoloft.
I'd bet there are other drugs you're taking, the psychedelics you take are fake or dosed too low, or you are from a psych ward and/or making stuff up.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28108185 - 12/22/22 03:31 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I had mentioned elsewhere that nicotine hindered visionary states in practice. For a bit it became a tool to dampen experience that would overwhelm.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: syncro]
#28108193 - 12/22/22 03:54 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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On my first trip, the consumption of cigarettes was a way to judge how much time had passed. (i.e. the pack became reduced by 10 meant that no more than 4 hours had passed at my maximum smokeage at that time.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: redgreenvines]
#28108209 - 12/22/22 04:48 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I think the "familiar spirits", which I sometimes call the standard go-tos, caffeine, nicotine, even thc to a lesser extent depending, hinder more refined experience which would make sense. They are all natural insecticides that we buzz on. Problem is I sprint like mad from the sober state if not well behaved in practice routine which I easily spoil in finding that which makes anxiety.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear] 1
#28109486 - 12/23/22 03:47 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Yes, SSRI antidepressants do that. I have taken mushrooms when I was in some SSRI for about 10 years. I still had wry pleasant effects like the brain storm, various thoughts and fantasies that seemed very real inside my mind. But as far as visuals, I barely saw any.
That said the SSRIs have been helping me very much and I am very thankful for them. Without them I could have absolutely extreme anxiety and depression. I could feel my thoughts were in constant panic mode and the more I was in that state the more my mind felt like a slowly falling apart jigsaw puzzle. Basically I could not function right.
With SSRIs, which is in my case Cymbalta(Duloxetine) which is an SSNRI (extra N) my mind still feels fear and anxiety but I feel I can at least think rationally and have greater control of my state of mind. Basically it’s a life saver. Before that I tried Zoloft, Paxil, Lexapro, and some others. They all have some side effects to different degrees. It can be increased sweating, could be sexual dysfunction, could be increased appetite. Could also be too emotion numbing. Duloxetine has fewest side effects for me which I am very glad to keep taking.
If that means not having hallucinations from psychedelics then I can live with that.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: Hot Yogurt]
#28109520 - 12/23/22 05:55 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Mushrooms are frequently grown without shit these days, that might be your problem. How much acid are we talking cause Ill trip solid on 200ug and won't get real visuals until 300ug. I just usually dont cause I get hangovers and prefer mush come up nausea over lucy hangover. Kikes stopped serving tho, and they would surely bust me if they couldnt poison me with truth serum or at least I suspect(never been a lil box full of ticky tack). it's never really been about the visuals, try smoking dmt if you dont get visuals your fubar. That would suck cause ive only been able to achieve obe thru dmt and have spent days meditating in temples
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: Hot Yogurt]
#28109709 - 12/23/22 09:31 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Hot Yogurt said: Yes, SSRI antidepressants do that. I have taken mushrooms when I was in some SSRI for about 10 years. I still had wry pleasant effects like the brain storm, various thoughts and fantasies that seemed very real inside my mind. But as far as visuals, I barely saw any.
That said the SSRIs have been helping me very much and I am very thankful for them. Without them I could have absolutely extreme anxiety and depression. I could feel my thoughts were in constant panic mode and the more I was in that state the more my mind felt like a slowly falling apart jigsaw puzzle. Basically I could not function right.
With SSRIs, which is in my case Cymbalta(Duloxetine) which is an SSNRI (extra N) my mind still feels fear and anxiety but I feel I can at least think rationally and have greater control of my state of mind. Basically it’s a life saver. Before that I tried Zoloft, Paxil, Lexapro, and some others. They all have some side effects to different degrees. It can be increased sweating, could be sexual dysfunction, could be increased appetite. Could also be too emotion numbing. Duloxetine has fewest side effects for me which I am very glad to keep taking.
If that means not having hallucinations from psychedelics then I can live with that.
I don't take SSRI's... maybe you didn't read my comment where I said it's been 3 years. It's permanent.
Maybe for you, if you have extreme anxiety, you need the meds. I don't. I don't have any mental illnesses and most people don't, either.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly] 1
#28109712 - 12/23/22 09:35 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: I'll trust psychiatry over you on this one, I don't believe zoloft stopped psychedelics for you. Ssris are useless imo but it sounds wack to me to suggest that psychedelics don't work for you after 3 years, because of zoloft.
I'd bet there are other drugs you're taking, the psychedelics you take are fake or dosed too low, or you are from a psych ward and/or making stuff up.
Oh yeah bud, I'm just hiding the fact that I'm nodding on fent right now. I'm also mentally ill and in a p$ych ward. Lmfao. I don't take any drugs, but ok. WEIRD of you to say that I am lying about how I use drugs -- I don't use any drugs, I stopped even smoking weed for 1 year -- I don't even drink alcohol, I'm sober and actually prefer to be sober!
As for the psychedelics being fake, when have you ever heard of AbloneLSD having bad quality LSD? That was the best LSD vendor.
Secondly, how is it that I can take an 8th of mushrooms and feel the mental high of an 8th of mushrooms but I have low quality mushrooms? Before Zoloft, I had the same mental high, but I had visuals, too. LSD is no different -- I get extremely strong mental highs, but no visuals. I know what FAKE LSD is like -- IT'S OBVIOUS; It has a taste and so on. There are indicators that your acid is fake. IF I took it and didn't notice the normal LSD effects then I would freak out and google it. I researched before using it to know my LSD is real. So why do you assume I'm some crazy liar instead of asking questions... EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL. LEARN FROM THIS MISTAKE. Imagine you were me and the world thinks you're just a crazy fool when you're speaking about common sense FACTS. Especially about MYSELF. I am the expert of me not you!
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear] 1
#28109764 - 12/23/22 10:34 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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your visuals will probably come back when you no longer give a shit about it. it could creep in as you are falling asleep or waking up and not even near a mushroom trip or it could run all over you after a toke of weed.
or never.
our sensory perception psyche complex plays a few tricky karma-ish games, and there is an evolutionary benefit to that so we don't get totally caught up in one thing.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28110052 - 12/23/22 03:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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iPear said:
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sudly said: I'll trust psychiatry over you on this one, I don't believe zoloft stopped psychedelics for you. Ssris are useless imo but it sounds wack to me to suggest that psychedelics don't work for you after 3 years, because of zoloft.
I'd bet there are other drugs you're taking, the psychedelics you take are fake or dosed too low, or you are from a psych ward and/or making stuff up.
Oh yeah bud, I'm just hiding the fact that I'm nodding on fent right now. I'm also mentally ill and in a p$ych ward. Lmfao. I don't take any drugs, but ok. WEIRD of you to say that I am lying about how I use drugs -- I don't use any drugs, I stopped even smoking weed for 1 year -- I don't even drink alcohol, I'm sober and actually prefer to be sober!
As for the psychedelics being fake, when have you ever heard of AbloneLSD having bad quality LSD? That was the best LSD vendor.
Secondly, how is it that I can take an 8th of mushrooms and feel the mental high of an 8th of mushrooms but I have low quality mushrooms? Before Zoloft, I had the same mental high, but I had visuals, too. LSD is no different -- I get extremely strong mental highs, but no visuals. I know what FAKE LSD is like -- IT'S OBVIOUS; It has a taste and so on. There are indicators that your acid is fake. IF I took it and didn't notice the normal LSD effects then I would freak out and google it. I researched before using it to know my LSD is real. So why do you assume I'm some crazy liar instead of asking questions... EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL. LEARN FROM THIS MISTAKE. Imagine you were me and the world thinks you're just a crazy fool when you're speaking about common sense FACTS. Especially about MYSELF. I am the expert of me not you!
What proof do you have for a causal link that isn't anecdotal in nature?
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For the study middle-aged female monkeys were chosen because depression is nearly twice as common in women and antidepressants are most commonly used in women aged 40 to 59. In the first 18 months phase of the study, the monkeys were fed a diet that replicated a typical American diet. During this time, their depressive behaviour was recorded. For the next 18 months, they were divided into two groups. One group received sertraline in daily doses comparable to those taken by humans. This was equivalent to humans taking the drug for five years.
The other group received a placebo. Afterwards, MRI imaging revealed that in depressed monkeys the drug significantly increased the volume of the anterior cingulate cortex.In the non-depressed monkeys it decreased this and the hippocampus.
CAUTION NOT ALARM
"This is the first time this has been clearly shown and it should raise caution but not alarm, " says Mitchell, who is also a professorial fellow at The Black Dog Institute. "Sure it is not in humans, but it has tantalising possibilities. It is throwing up the possibility that these drugs may be doing different things in people who are not depressed."
"Perhaps we should be a bit more cautious than we are at the moment, about who we use antidepressants for. We need more research."
He notes, however, that SSRI's have been in use for some 25 years and there is no evidence of brain damage or a negative impact on intellectual capacity. But the caution here is about subtle changes. International collaborative research, published in June this year, concluded that brain damage is caused by persistent depression rather than being a predisposing factor for it.
Published in Molecular Psychiatry, it involved scans of 9000 people and proved recurrent depression shrinks the hippocampus. As a single episode does not, it raises an argument for early identification of the more severe persistent or recurrent cases. Experts noted the hippocampus was a regenerative area of the brain and the effects of depression were reversible with appropriate treatment.
https://www.unsw.edu.au/news/2019/03/what-antidepressants-can-do-to-a-brain-that-is-not-depressed#:~:text=There's%20a%20word%20of%20warning,who%20are%20not%20really%20depressed.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
#28110447 - 12/23/22 08:29 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I believe something similar happened to me after being on antipsychotics as a kid. I remember things being so much more "real" and familiar" until then. As I trip and microdose more I have begun having memories from my childhood in more detail than before. The same but real.
I have done a lot of research into upregulating 2a receptors, perhaps this can help you. I will get the links?
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
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iPear said:
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sudly said: I'll trust psychiatry over you on this one, I don't believe zoloft stopped psychedelics for you. Ssris are useless imo but it sounds wack to me to suggest that psychedelics don't work for you after 3 years, because of zoloft.
I'd bet there are other drugs you're taking, the psychedelics you take are fake or dosed too low, or you are from a psych ward and/or making stuff up.
Oh yeah bud, I'm just hiding the fact that I'm nodding on fent right now. I'm also mentally ill and in a p$ych ward. Lmfao. I don't take any drugs, but ok. WEIRD of you to say that I am lying about how I use drugs -- I don't use any drugs, I stopped even smoking weed for 1 year -- I don't even drink alcohol, I'm sober and actually prefer to be sober!
As for the psychedelics being fake, when have you ever heard of AbloneLSD having bad quality LSD? That was the best LSD vendor.
Secondly, how is it that I can take an 8th of mushrooms and feel the mental high of an 8th of mushrooms but I have low quality mushrooms? Before Zoloft, I had the same mental high, but I had visuals, too. LSD is no different -- I get extremely strong mental highs, but no visuals. I know what FAKE LSD is like -- IT'S OBVIOUS; It has a taste and so on. There are indicators that your acid is fake. IF I took it and didn't notice the normal LSD effects then I would freak out and google it. I researched before using it to know my LSD is real. So why do you assume I'm some crazy liar instead of asking questions... EXTREMELY DISRESPECTFUL. LEARN FROM THIS MISTAKE. Imagine you were me and the world thinks you're just a crazy fool when you're speaking about common sense FACTS. Especially about MYSELF. I am the expert of me not you!
What proof do you have for a causal link that isn't anecdotal in nature?
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For the study middle-aged female monkeys were chosen because depression is nearly twice as common in women and antidepressants are most commonly used in women aged 40 to 59. In the first 18 months phase of the study, the monkeys were fed a diet that replicated a typical American diet. During this time, their depressive behaviour was recorded. For the next 18 months, they were divided into two groups. One group received sertraline in daily doses comparable to those taken by humans. This was equivalent to humans taking the drug for five years.
The other group received a placebo. Afterwards, MRI imaging revealed that in depressed monkeys the drug significantly increased the volume of the anterior cingulate cortex.In the non-depressed monkeys it decreased this and the hippocampus.
CAUTION NOT ALARM
"This is the first time this has been clearly shown and it should raise caution but not alarm, " says Mitchell, who is also a professorial fellow at The Black Dog Institute. "Sure it is not in humans, but it has tantalising possibilities. It is throwing up the possibility that these drugs may be doing different things in people who are not depressed."
"Perhaps we should be a bit more cautious than we are at the moment, about who we use antidepressants for. We need more research."
He notes, however, that SSRI's have been in use for some 25 years and there is no evidence of brain damage or a negative impact on intellectual capacity. But the caution here is about subtle changes. International collaborative research, published in June this year, concluded that brain damage is caused by persistent depression rather than being a predisposing factor for it.
Published in Molecular Psychiatry, it involved scans of 9000 people and proved recurrent depression shrinks the hippocampus. As a single episode does not, it raises an argument for early identification of the more severe persistent or recurrent cases. Experts noted the hippocampus was a regenerative area of the brain and the effects of depression were reversible with appropriate treatment.
https://www.unsw.edu.au/news/2019/03/what-antidepressants-can-do-to-a-brain-that-is-not-depressed#:~:text=There's%20a%20word%20of%20warning,who%20are%20not%20really%20depressed.
Why should I believe you?
This says absolutely nothing.
First off, we don't know how the brain works. Our understanding of it is in its infancy.
Just because something grows doesn't mean it's good.
Is it good to drink water? Yeah. Is it good to drink 10 gallons of water a day? No. You'll die.
You want to focus on a study but ignore the person who took the antidepressant. You should listen because I actually took it, and yes, it definitely took away my visuals ... why else would I lose my visuals?
You'll believe what you want to believe. Psychiatry is eugenics. You and your friend group will pay for it and in the future you will realize it was just pseudoscience that you all believed in while I'll be on another level. This is how it happens. I learned my lesson, yours is coming soon.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: iPear]
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I don't hear a shred of personal responsibility.
If you want to stick to your anecdotes.. you do you.
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Re: Zoloft took away my ability to see psychedelic visuals on any substance [Re: sudly]
#28110974 - 12/24/22 11:08 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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sudly said: I don't hear a shred of personal responsibility.
If you want to stick to your anecdotes.. you do you.
What does informing people of the dangers of SSRI's have to do with personal responsibility?
The mind of a psychiatry cultist is truly bizzare!
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