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Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder.
    #28100910 - 12/16/22 05:41 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Just wanted to know. Never really got in depth about it with other people. And im not evwn sure others are diagnosed the way i am. Thats why im posting this post.

Is anybody out there bipolar? If so how severe? What is it like? Go into detail if you want.

For me its pretty simple. Yet something so simple its pretty well screwed a part of my life away.

So basically i have troubles feeling feelings. Before i took psych meds only thing id feel is like absolute anguish. And times of periodic "hapiness" but i wasnt really happy. Its like a fake light in my mind is lighting up but i have no intention whatsoever so be happy. Id also have times of my feeling imposterizing me. Like feeling prideful in the middle of a sad conversation or story.
Especially the imposter feelings get and had got me a lot before medication. Like theres times i feel feelings that i have no desire to be feeling. And at bad times to be feeling them too... like an imposter feeling feeling. Total mind fuck. I used to hear lots of shit in my head too and have thoughts that were not my own. And smell shit i dont want to smell. And my bipolar would enjoy shitty things going on in my head that i dont want. Like enjoying a shit smell. Etc. Never seemed to be of anything good. Just bad things.


Sorry if some of that seemed bitchy. Its just the way it be.


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: Gray Hound]
    #28101703 - 12/17/22 06:54 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

What's your age? Maybe it's from exposure to environmental hazards. I'm sure I chewed on lead paint at some point.


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28101891 - 12/17/22 10:26 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Hi Hound.
Pretty crap isn't it?  The highs are like a trip, everything's possible.  The lows?  You have to have been there.
There's a great support site here in the UK - you don't have to join etc. and there's a LOT of great advice on there.
https://www.bipolaruk.org/


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28102203 - 12/17/22 02:46 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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I'm sure I chewed on lead paint at some point.



I'm pretty sure you did, too.  Possibly last week...


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: Buster_Brown]
    #28102236 - 12/17/22 03:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Im twelve. And i used to eat crayons. Huh?


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: Gray Hound]
    #28141408 - 01/15/23 03:05 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

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Im twelve. And i used to eat crayons. Huh?




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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: Gray Hound]
    #28141428 - 01/15/23 03:23 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

Mental illness is actually a metabolic disorder of the brain caused by inflammation. It's an energy problem caused by two things. The brains cells become unable to use glucose normally and the brain cells mitochondria become dysfunctional themselves robbing neurons of energy they need. It has nothing to do with brain chemistry imbalance and believe this or not, that was only a theory to begin with.

Place a patient on a ketogenic diet and sit back and watch what happens. What does a ketogenic diet do? Number one, it removes the brains dependence on glucose and switches it over to using ketones, which is a more efficient fuel to begin with and isn't oxidative process like glucose burning is so it is anti-inflammatory in and of itself. The ketogenic diet is the only efficient way to help restore normal mitochondrial function. People like Dr Dominic D'Agostino, Thomas Seyfried, Dr Rhonda Patrick among many others say so and knowing who these people are makes pretty easy to buy into keto being capable of restoring mitochondrial function.


What may be happening in relation to neurotransmitters is a signaling issue develops, similar to diabetes and it was all due to systemic inflammation. Now a logical mind asked themselves. "How is remotely possible that inflammation plays a direct or indirect role in all other disease or the onset of disorders but it plays absolutely no role in mental illness. Inflammation plays no role in disorders of one of the most delicate systems in our biology? Yeah, right...

Honestly??? Psychiatry is quack science... At least up until now... I don't want you to believe a word I have to say. Look into this for yourself...

PeaCe2U my friend.


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: Nikon Addict] * 2
    #28141735 - 01/15/23 06:29 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

If only life were that easy...

If you actually dig into the research, sure the keto diet was correlated with decreased depression in some people in a few studies. Many people in these studies did it stringently, under medical observation throughout the study, and saw no alleviation in their depression. Many of the ones who saw decreases in their depression survey scores were still very depressed at the conclusion of the study, just a little bit less so. Similar results in the animal studies looking at bio markers or behaviors.

Pretending to know the cause of such a broad and complex condition and promoting an alternative treatment, that has been shown to not be curative, as the sole cure for it is disingenuous and not helpful.

People with any mental illness can and probably should experiment with different dietary choices and ways of eating, but they should do it alongside other means of treatment that have been objectively proven to be effective.


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: feevers]
    #28142031 - 01/15/23 09:05 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

You're wrong. And how do I know? I was diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder back in 2002. Today, I'm symptom free and living life large. The brain chemistry thing was only a theory which is interesting because they've treated 100's of millions of people based on a flawed theory. It's actually a cellular metabolic condition similar to diabetes. It's a combination of poor glucose metabolism and mitochondrial dysfunction. Here's a good book that breaks it down, though he's a bit off on a few issues.

Psychiatry is scrambling right now because they're going to have to explain how they got it so wrong all this time... Don't believe me, read the book and weep at your science.


Brain Energy: A Revolutionary Breakthrough in Understanding Mental Health--and Improving Treatment for Anxiety, Depression, OCD, PTSD, and More


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: feevers]
    #28142052 - 01/15/23 09:20 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

You may one of those who are influenced by your own cognitive biases so you probably won't even bother buying the book but all of the points you made were wrong. If I didn't know any better I'd say you lied in order to prop up the status quo, but I have no way of proving that other than everything you said was wrong and I'm forced to ask myself how could someone be so confident yet be so completely wrong. I'm not sure what to say or think to be perfectly honest but since you enjoy reading, buy the book and read it yourself.

As of now, there are three independent research groups who intend to test this anecdotal theory. A wealthy family has offered to pay to have a study done here in the US BUT!!!! he's receiving a bunch of bullsh*t and road blocking. Hmmmm... I wonder if it has anything to do with the fact they don't want the study done. They don't want the truth revealed.

Maybe they think it might be too embarrassing. may e they're overly concerned about corporate profits. The possibilities are endless really. But the money is available, they're just waiting for approval that may never come....

Brain Energy: A Revolutionary Breakthrough in Understanding Mental Health--and Improving Treatment for Anxiety, Depression, OCD, PTSD, and More


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: feevers]
    #28142056 - 01/15/23 09:23 PM (1 year, 12 days ago)

hey, you''re a mod... What forum do I use to ask a question about video copying software. This is really why I showed up here.


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: Nikon Addict]
    #28142405 - 01/16/23 07:15 AM (1 year, 12 days ago)

You can say that something cured your schizoeffective disorder, but then you could also go on reddit or elsewhere and quickly find others who didn't have the same success. I can actually think of 2 shroomerites who were/are eating keto and have schizophrenia or depression, still. Anecdotes usually aren't great evidence, and especially so when it's easy to find anecdotes from others who had a different experience.

Me not buying the book has nothing to do with cognitive bias, it just has all the criteria of the archetypal grift. Sensational title, "alternative treatment" that big pharma doesn't want you to know about, it cures not just one thing but everything, INFLAMMATION, etc. I don't know of any major medical advancements that have come from someone selling a book for profit, they're typically made through objective and quantitative research.

You admit that it's an anecdotal theory and that the research on it is still yet to be done, but yet you're confident you've stumbled across basis of and the miracle cure for all mental illness...


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: Nikon Addict]
    #28142420 - 01/16/23 07:30 AM (1 year, 12 days ago)

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Nikon Addict said:
hey, you''re a mod... What forum do I use to ask a question about video copying software. This is really why I showed up here.



Probably the Science and Technology forum or the pub depending on what your question is


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: feevers]
    #28143022 - 01/16/23 02:47 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

Thank You!


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: feevers] * 1
    #28143110 - 01/16/23 03:25 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

I'm not going to waste anytime trying to convince you because you're clearly biased and buy into a theory, which is less credible than anecdotal. Once studies are done and it's  peer reviewed, I will get back to you. I've got all the time in the world. Time is on my side. And by the way,there are tens of thousands just like me in the US alone who have fully recovered. Have a great day!


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    #28143128 - 01/16/23 03:32 PM (1 year, 11 days ago)

I decided to leave you with this amazing video. Dr Andrew Huberman interviews Dr Christopher M Palmer

Dr. Chris Palmer: Diet & Nutrition for Mental Health | Huberman Lab Podcast #99



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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: feevers]
    #28150938 - 01/21/23 06:06 PM (1 year, 6 days ago)

I didn't think you'd have much to say after I posted Huberman's interview of Palmer. I gave you a few days in order to give you the benefit of the doubt to allow you to respond but you didn't disappoint really. You decided it best to drop it.


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: Nikon Addict]
    #28150955 - 01/21/23 06:30 PM (1 year, 6 days ago)

I'd rather not get my medical information from listening to podcasts by people whose main source of income is creating mass-media content... same reason that I also wouldn't watch a 3-hour Dr Oz video. They sell you a lifestyle, they don't make their millions from critically and systematically analyzing and presenting hard data, which is often not uniform and often disagrees with their desired conclusions... and is confusing and boring as hell for the average person.

I went through the phase you're going through now years ago now, where I'd let the Rhonda Patrick's and the Huberman's and whatever other JRE guest kind of person steer me towards conclusions with their preliminary and in-vitro and correlation research (while conveniently leaving out all the contradictory data). Eventually you'll realize how to identify snake oil and bro science for what it is, and seperate the truth from the dream these people are selling.

If you'd like to link me the research they reference on the podcast, I'll gladly read through it.


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: feevers]
    #28153107 - 01/23/23 02:29 AM (1 year, 5 days ago)

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I'd rather not get my medical information from listening to podcasts by people whose main source of income is creating mass-media content... same reason that I also wouldn't watch a 3-hour Dr Oz video. They sell you a lifestyle, they don't make their millions from critically and systematically analyzing and presenting hard data, which is often not uniform and often disagrees with their desired conclusions... and is confusing and boring as hell for the average person.

I went through the phase you're going through now years ago now, where I'd let the Rhonda Patrick's and the Huberman's and whatever other JRE guest kind of person steer me towards conclusions with their preliminary and in-vitro and correlation research (while conveniently leaving out all the contradictory data). Eventually you'll realize how to identify snake oil and bro science for what it is, and seperate the truth from the dream these people are selling.

If you'd like to link me the research they reference on the podcast, I'll gladly read through it.




LOL... You're trying to compare a world class MD and researcher to some jerk off Oprah put on map and making him irrelevant by pointing out he was a guest of Joe Rogan... Unfortunately for you, Rogan is culturally significant and people go on his show to get the word out. I can't believe you're dissing Rhonda Patrick. Whatever... I've recovered so you're wasting your wind. You buy into "science based medicine" provided by drug companies who pay 70% of the FDA's budget to oversee their data. How can we expect the FDA to look out for and protect us from Big Pharma when Big Pharma pays their salaries? Dig your pills... LOL

Mental illness being caused by brain chemistry imbalance was only a theory. Theory is no better than anecdotal. They've treated billions of people over time based on a theory and you're obviously clueless that these medications statistically perform no better than placebo. Anti-psychotics sedate. The patient still experiences hallucinations and medications do nothing for delusions. You know nothing yet you project you know everything.

I understand that this website was instructed to downplay certain info in order to prevent from being shut down. The staff allow irreverent sh*t be disseminated but you were instructed to nip info like this in the bud before people begin thinking for themselves. You can't be swayed because someone already made your mind up for you.


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: Nikon Addict]
    #28153141 - 01/23/23 03:46 AM (1 year, 5 days ago)

That's a whole lot of faulty assumptions. If what you're pushing is true, you should be able to simply push back by linking to the evidence... not by going on the defensive and making unrelated things up.

You haven't posted a single piece of evidence, or even a coherent theory. A supplement salesman's podcast or a link to a book isn't evidence, peer reviewed research and data is evidence. These books and podcasts are science entertainment/self-help content by content creators with obvious bias and profit motives, they're fun to watch and interesting but the way that they present the science should always be taken with a grain of salt.

If it's something you're passionate about, I'd recommend putting together your research and starting a new thread, like you did back when you were convinced it was "leaky gut syndrome" and cytokines in the brain that was the root of all mental illness.


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Re: Manic depression..or bipolar dissorder. [Re: feevers]
    #28161236 - 01/28/23 11:49 AM (1 year, 1 hour ago)

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The brains cells become unable to use glucose normally and the brain cells mitochondria become dysfunctional themselves robbing neurons of energy they need. It has nothing to do with brain chemistry imbalance and believe this or not, that was only a theory to begin with.




Sounds like you are describing a brain chemistry problem


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