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Stranger Registered: 05/20/13 Posts: 158 Last seen: 12 days, 18 hours |
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Simple question... Has your consumption of psilocybin mushrooms changed you, and if so, in what way(s)?
This can include changes in the way you think, feel, act, etc.. Have you noticed any personality changes? Have you changed your mind about any issues, be they political, religious, spiritual, etc? Have you noticed that any changes have been long lasting, or have they all been relatively short lived? For the purpose of this thread... short term - 1 day to 6 months long term - >6 months to a 5 years permanent - >5 years without noticeable reversal Edited by Shroomsandstuff (12/15/22 08:42 AM)
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The aborted pin Registered: 08/14/19 Posts: 1,675 Loc: Central hemisphere Last seen: 10 hours, 48 minutes |
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It would be hard to say if any benefits are permanent because those benefits might taper off in the future. But I find regularly tripping does keep all those benefits 'topped up' to the levels you want them.
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Stranger Registered: 06/16/20 Posts: 648 |
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Most of what you have listed above would change naturally over time for people, I would hope so anyway. As we experience life we tend to see the world differently. The more you live the more you change, seeing and experiencing the world outside your parents bubble opens the mind. The only people I imagine not growing and changing are people trapped in a cult.
Life shapes the nature of your psychedelic experiences.
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shoulda died already Registered: 11/03/12 Posts: 36,294 |
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No one has any idea how much mushrooms have done anything for them because no one has a control study on themself. It's all anecdotal. I cannot see or experience my life without mushrooms. If it's anecdotal then it's not much better than a placebo in regards to claiming it did anything for you. Enjoy it all you want but people need to realize these substances aren't as special as they want to believe. I love psychedelics. But they're more of a key than a door. I can cut new keys if I want, or pick the stupid thing open. We do the work not mushrooms.
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Psychedelic success story… Registered: 01/11/22 Posts: 1,076 Last seen: 9 hours, 33 minutes |
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While I agree that we do the work, not the mushrooms, my impression is that we can do a lot more work a lot faster with the mushrooms. I have only been using them for a year and I am a very different person than before. In almost universally positive ways. My friends notice it. My family notice it, my therapist graduated me (at least for now) because of how far I was able to come, my colleagues notice it, my gf totally sees it. And not all of them know about the mushrooms. And I see it doing the same for others I know using mushrooms for growth and healing.
-------------------- Tweeq’s wood lovers | Recipes | Moopers nats notes | Moopers subtrop notes | Milkboy gummies
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Registered: 05/06/09 Posts: 1,436 Loc: usa Last seen: 6 hours, 26 minutes |
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I've been struck by an 18 wheeler ome to some shit job as a 25 yr old and its permanantly altered my life. Good and bad. Mushrooms helpped me take the good with the bad, on everything. Mushrooms arnt a magic bullet, you really have to focus and intend to use the lessons and feelings in the sober world, but it has gearth to breaking down some barriers. Don't just drop the knowledge when the juice wears off. With that all said... I have geared my more recent psychadelic studies twards performance enhancements. Like physical and mental obviously but im focusing on more of the phyical right now. Lsd and working out...
Shit fucking works... You can get one off that way on mushrooms too. "I learned from it what I needed" No you didn't it has more to offer if you want it. I believe shrooms and lsd are a major spark or kickstart for somebody that otherwise has problems get themselves to the starting line on physical health and performance. So yeah im gonna go with long term positive change
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Stranger Registered: 05/20/13 Posts: 158 Last seen: 12 days, 18 hours |
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Quote: This is true. Good point. I edited the OP for a bit of clarification. I just needed a distinction between long term and long term w/ noticeable reversal (needing to be topped off). Quote: That's true, some of those things do tend to change, over the course of one's life, however those changes usually seem to be somewhat gradual, as opposed to changing, from one day to the next (i.e. going from being an atheist to being religious, or from believing that death is the end of the line to believing that we just end up in some other dimension). Quote: Anecdotes are exactly what I'm asking for. There are already some studies about how psilocybin affects people, and there are likely going to be many more conducted in the coming years. For instance, it has been shown, that a psilocybin trip can affect one's personality scores on the Big Five Aspects Scale, which tend to otherwise remain relatively stable, over the course of one's adult life. Quote: It has also been shown that a psilocybin trip can get a large percentage of people to quit smoking, which is pretty fascinating. Both of those changes would be identifiable by a single person, experimenting on himself. While causation would be difficult to prove, I'd think that one could make a relatively accurate, educated guess, and if multiple people come to the same conclusions, it would definitely be worth considering, IMO. Quote: That's great to hear! In what ways do you feel like you have been able to improve, through your use of mushrooms? Quote: How often do you use mushrooms? Do you find that the positive effects of each dose taper off, over time, requiring another session, or do they feel like they are permanent and that you just continue to make more progress with each new trip?
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Psychedelic success story… Registered: 01/11/22 Posts: 1,076 Last seen: 9 hours, 33 minutes |
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I went into my mushroom experimentation a wound up bundle of raw nerves. Medical PTSD, 2 near death experiences, coping with nerve damage and chronic pain, anxiety, depression, hyper vigilance, chronic insomnia. And more.
Now I’m totally chill, anxiety is completely gone. Depression is barely noticeable, my vigilance is gone, ptsd is gone, my insomnia is tremendously reduced and I’m off all my psych meds. I’m grounded, centered, and more at ease in my body than I’ve ever been, and I’m 54. Plus all the microdosing/Stamets stack I do between trips may be helping my neuropathy. I’ve been living with it for years. In the last year different aspects are complete gone and others are significantly improved. I’m also in a region where decriminalization is happening at the town level, and I’m working with care providers, donating mushrooms to them at no charge for now to pay it all forward and be of service. -------------------- Tweeq’s wood lovers | Recipes | Moopers nats notes | Moopers subtrop notes | Milkboy gummies
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Shakyamuni Registered: 12/01/22 Posts: 10 Last seen: 9 months, 12 days |
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Quote: Hit by a Semi.
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Psilo-Scribe Registered: 11/26/09 Posts: 1,322 Loc: Altered States o Last seen: 2 days, 7 hours |
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Quote: It was an LSD trip at the age of 17 that had a big impact on my life. I became very interested in philosophical ideas and consciousness and chose to study philosophy at university as a result. I was a fairly lazy student, and I think if I'd picked another subject that didn't really interest me, I would probably have dropped out. To be honest I think that one LSD trip, and the thoughts it provoked, gave me a bit of insight that helped write essays on the philosophy of mind. My experience with psychedelics in my teens was very brief, just one mushroom trip and one LSD trip (plus a handful of experiences on ecstasy and speed, one of which gave me vivid CEV for some reason). It was over a dozen years later before I started tripping regularly on mushrooms. ![]() I think mushrooms fulfil a kind of longing for "something more" from life, something magical and mysterious that you sense as a child but then stays out of reach until you try psychedelics and it looms into view. This passage from an article by Matt Cardin titled Autumn Longing: Alan Watts expresses the kind of feeling I am talking about: Quote: ![]() It's not so much that my mushroom trips cause some dramatic process of self-improvement (although I think they have a kind of energizing or anti-depressant effect that helps to keep me feeling engaged and interested in life), but that having access to these amazing experiences means I can get more genuine enjoyment from the simple, normal things in life without wishing for "something more" that is always out of reach. I've said elsewhere that I'm not really 'spiritual,' but if you can figure out how to enjoy the most basic things in life you are getting a bit closer to the idea of "there is no way to happiness; happiness is the way." I feel happier in myself now that I'm tripping a few times a year, although it doesn't magically stop me getting pissed off or stressed by other people or external events. ![]() One practical effect of shrooms was to get me started writing out a "trip journal" on each trip, which then developed into an interest in writing stories when I was sober. Also it got me interested very interested in "weird fiction," so overall I'm probably reading and writing more than I would have done otherwise (not to mention all the long rambling posts I make on the Shroomery). Considering that I didn't trip at all during my 20s, it gives me more of a feeling for life with and without psychedelics. Overall my 20s feel like a bit of a lost decade which would have been livened up with some psychedelics. Even after a dozen years I was still haunted by the glimpses of the world I'd seen while tripping, so I guess it was inevitable I'd return to it when I got the chance.
-------------------- I wrote that, but I meant something else
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Smart ass. Registered: 12/13/20 Posts: 131 Loc: Near a tree by a lake |
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I never knew what empathy was, I knew the word but that's it. Now I do. I am grateful for the shit in my life because it has brought me to the point that I am at now and right now ain't too bad at all.
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slowly dying since birth Registered: 04/23/21 Posts: 1,371 Loc: USA NC Last seen: 1 month, 7 days |
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I think it's unpopular to talk about any crazy ideas you have come up with because of mushrooms because people want to think of them as not being able to actually change you, and only want to believe that they help you change yourself.
Of course I have never been popular with people anyway other than they like me because I'm a caring person and work to create a good environment rather than cause people trouble. But my ideas are not well received by most anyway. Regardless, I get the feeling that people don't want to be reminded of their own madness. In dealing with mushrooms, I like to approach creative ideas playfully, rather than seriously, so I'm comfortable in delving into madness, and you can find some truth among the madness that is helpful, but most of it is just a place to visit rather than live in. Here is a good video to explain how mushrooms open your mind, but in a more down to earth explanation. Just like how people rely on faith to gain something binifitial out of religion or spirituality, I also like to put a little faith in the possibility of the unknown, but it's just a hope rather than a conviction. This link is helpful in understand the relationship between the possibility of mushrooms, and the reality of them. It might help you understand why they can cause long term changes, and why they are helpful in delving into madness as well. Madness is after all the place where we spend most of our lives. -------------------- Just take um like you get um. Those ephemeral spasms of infinity, in suspended animation, born across a boundless ether of existential misery aloft a revelry (of awe) for the abhorrently sublime.
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Stranger Registered: 10/25/22 Posts: 10 Last seen: 2 months, 30 days |
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Made me a more grounded and down to earth😊
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Your Friend Registered: 03/17/16 Posts: 57 Last seen: 1 year, 14 days |
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I really appreciate your candor. It is reassuring and comforting to know people experience things similarly to myself!
I hope to one day reach your level of acceptance of the madness
-------------------- They hold the keys to wisdom, And the knowledge of the earth, And when used with respect and care, They can unlock our inner truths and worth.
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Stranger Registered: 05/20/13 Posts: 158 Last seen: 12 days, 18 hours |
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Anyone else?
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splelling chceker Registered: 07/29/12 Posts: 14,136 Loc: FNQ Last seen: 17 seconds |
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They made me want to eat more mushrooms.
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Undefined Registered: 05/27/19 Posts: 494 Loc: With the loons Last seen: 4 hours, 28 minutes |
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They pulled back the curtain on reality
![]() The curtain closed back up again, but now I know there's something incredible behind it. -------------------- "Things are true that I forget, but no one taught that to me yet." A disembodied-re-embodied consciousness be-ing (With all the accoutrements.)
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Stranger Registered: 05/20/13 Posts: 158 Last seen: 12 days, 18 hours |
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Quote: Lol What is it about them that makes you want to keep tripping? Do you use them just for fun, or other purposes? Quote: That's interesting. What do you now believe exists "behind the curtain", and how long did it take for things said curtain to "close back up"?
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splelling chceker Registered: 07/29/12 Posts: 14,136 Loc: FNQ Last seen: 17 seconds |
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Quote: If I take psychedelics fairly regularly I don't get low and I don't fall into traps with other substances. It's a hell of a lot of fun for me though, even scary or difficult experiences I really enjoy. It's been a very long time now I have been a convert. The darkest times in my life and the times I made the most mistakes were times when I wasn't touching psychedelics. --------------------
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Undefined Registered: 05/27/19 Posts: 494 Loc: With the loons Last seen: 4 hours, 28 minutes |
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Quote: Hmm good question, maybe something like infinite peace and spaciousness that is dynamically alive and creative. The curtain usually closes back up most of the way by the end of the trip (although after one particularly transformative experience, it remained a good ways open for a couple months after). I don’t think it ever fully closes - I actually believe that our very existence depends upon what is behind it, it is always sustaining us and providing Life to us, just to varying degrees. -------------------- "Things are true that I forget, but no one taught that to me yet." A disembodied-re-embodied consciousness be-ing (With all the accoutrements.)
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slowly dying since birth Registered: 04/23/21 Posts: 1,371 Loc: USA NC Last seen: 1 month, 7 days |
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I have seen an individual on here wanting volunteers for a study on microdoseing and gut health. I'm surprised that they weren't interested in me, but I never had a chance to tell them my experience with regular size dosing (I don't microdose)
I could be crazy and say that the little creatures in our guts are affected by the drug and maybe they are tripping or getting in touch with communication with a universal language that most living thing speak with. Like how trees speak with other trees through the fungus. Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about. (It's real PROVEN science) Or there could be a simple explanation. But I have always gotten low blood sugar my whole life.(not from pot. I don't drink or smoke pot, or do drugs) It's not very bad for your health, and is actually the only harmful thing that marijuana does to people, but is pretty harmless in itself. Most of you will be familiar with it if you smoke pot, (I've definitely done it a bit, but it's not for me) but the only part that is a little hard on your body over time is when you eat allot of sugar (because pot causes low blood sugar, so your body wants you to eat (the munchies)) and if you eat allot of sugar, it will cause a pike in your blood sugar, and it's the strong fluctuation that is hard on your body. But it's not that bad for you. (Just low blood sugar from smoking pot will not hurt you as long as you don't eat allot of sugar and cause a rapid spike. It's the spike that is hard on the body. I don't want to give any wrong ideas about smoking pot) Anyway, I have always gotten low blood sugar, and would wake up in the middle of the night and crave candy and stuff, and on a long day at work I wouldn't eat because it slows you down to eat while working and you also don't digest well when you are active. (It's all medical science if you don't know about what I'm talking about) so I would get disoriented and really irritable from low blood sugar. I could recognize the symptoms easy, because it's been like that since I was at least a teen. After the mushrooms, it INSTANTLY went away COMPLETELY, and has NEVER returned. I also stopped eating sugar like I used to, but still do a little. I don't know if I stopped craving sugar because my low blood sugar went away, or if my low blood sugar went away because I stopped eating allot of sugar and my body heald it's self. But I don't think my body heald itself of whatever was causing the low blood sugar because it happened overnight. It's much more likely that the mushrooms cured me in the most miraculous way, from my lifelong health issue. Haven't had low blood sugar once in almost a year now. It used to be almost daily, and I haven't woken up in the middle of the night with a ravenous craving for sugar ether. That was at least a couple times a week, and I don't ever go to the kitchen in the middle of the night anymore. It stopped, on the spot, the very day, the first time I did mushrooms. You tell me! So, obviously something is going on with that, and I'm surprised I haven't heard other stories about this. Also, it made me want to eat more healthy anyway and helped me to be in better touch with my body and any health problems, and what might be causing them. I've always liked to eat healthy, but now I crave healthy food and am turning off by unhealthy food and even smoking cigarettes, even though I'm still addicted. It all happened overnight. Anyone else have a real miracle happen as far as health. Like instant change kind of thing? I know they help with addiction, but I'm interested in things like instant curing of a health issue. Miracle kind of stuff like I had. -------------------- Just take um like you get um. Those ephemeral spasms of infinity, in suspended animation, born across a boundless ether of existential misery aloft a revelry (of awe) for the abhorrently sublime. Edited by Sub-Easy (12/22/22 12:24 PM)
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Stranger Registered: 12/17/22 Posts: 75 Last seen: 17 hours, 27 minutes |
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I’ve been on the path of self improvement through sacrifice and discipline for years now. Meditation, reading, podcast, wake up early, regular exercise, healthy nutrition, limit alcohol, cold showers…. I’m already deeply spiritual. I already believe we’re spirit “driving” the body no different than we drive a car.
Mushrooms blew this “knowing” up even more. It makes perfect sense to me how someone dying of cancer can gain acceptance and peace with the use of mushrooms. I see how people can be atheist and then “know” there’s a God after consuming mushrooms. It’s changed the way I think and interact. I’m more productive, less procrastinating, less anxiety… it’s like I now see through all the BS illusion that is this world annd life even more so. I don’t get caught up in the illusions that people create and the games that people play (I stay off social media due to this). I more clearly realize what’s important and what’s not. I have a better understanding of time and patience. To not obsess over something that takes time. You can’t speed it up. And in that understanding I also realize the opposite. You can’t slow or reverse it either. Both are priceless understandings. And like so many people say…. A lot of it I can’t put into words. Now I’ve only had my first trip in a very long time 6 days ago, and again just yesterday. But this feeling and knowing and experiencing is lasting I can tell. Many spiritual people will tell you once you understand or once you “know”…. Once something resonates with you and you just “know” like an intuition, you never go back. You can’t. I plan to explore this much more deeply. Yesterdays experience was so deeply spiritual and almost as if downloading info into my subconscious mind. Felt incredibly ceremonial and uplifting. At one point as I sat in front of a mirror looking at myself the thought that came into my head was “I am a God.” Hell if nothing else having such deep positive loving thoughts and feelings and emotions filled with deep intuitions of knowing and connecting, love and joy, that alone is highly beneficial. Whether it is or isn’t mystical or truly spiritual doesn’t matter. Incredibly mentally healthy either way. If anything my sub conscious mind is polluted through 37yrs of life and I feel as if I’m beginning to clean it up. I feel like I could go on and literally write a novel. At the same time I can’t find the words. There’s not words it’s another form we don’t use.
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slowly dying since birth Registered: 04/23/21 Posts: 1,371 Loc: USA NC Last seen: 1 month, 7 days |
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You said plenty brother (or sister).
I couldn't have said it better myself, and indeed I couldn't say it at all now. I once understood what you said too, and held onto it for a good long time, but as time goes by, I've forgotten that "truth ?" I think you would be good at writing the novel, as you have done such a good job at articulating it here. I'm sure many of us thought we could write a novel as the cosmic download was in progress, and even though I'm aware of thoughts sounding really good while you are high, and not so much after, I think that if you could give an accurate translation of the information, it would not be just addled jumbled nonsense. If you are lucky enough to even remember the full experience, then it's still hard to hold onto it after a few months or so. That's my reason for commenting. Do you think that because you were already on the path of understanding your mind, and spiritual/meditation practices, that you were able to hold onto the lesson so well, or is it just that you tripped recently? I remember that I once gave a very detailed trip report on here, and then two days later, or it might have been the next day, I gave the exact same trip report, but for two different trips I had no idea I had done that, and only found out because I later came across my first trip report. It freaked me out to see I had written the same thing, but I was describing two different trips, and after that I was able to remember my trips, and realize that I was experiencing a tremendous amount of things while tripping that I had no recollection of after. Now, after realizing that, I can remember much more after the drug wears off. For all I know, I still might be experiencing many things while tripping that I don't even know I am. The strangest thing I think, is that you would think that I would remember writing the trip report the day before, because I was not tripping when I wrote it, but I had totally forgotten, and then wrote an identical report the next day, describing a totally different time tripping, and didn't even catch on until a few days later. I had no idea I had done it, and I was sober both times. It's very strange that I had the exact same trip, once on Saturday, and again on Sunday, but it's even stranger that I didn't know I had, even though I wrote a trip report for both times. That realization really changed my trip game, and to this day, I still go to the same place in the beginning of my trips, and meet the same entities and I remember them, and they remember me, and we talk about things relating to the times before when I had met with them. I even missed them for a while, and still do a lot, but I have forgotten much of what I learned. Looks like you still remember. I'm impressed. P.s time is still not the same for me as it used to be. I used to be able to get so much done in a day just a year ago, but now I'm still going at the same pace, but the time just runs past me and the day is over. For some reason It doesn't seem to effect my reality because I still can pay rent, and get everything done that needs to get done, and no one is telling me to hurry up or that I'm not getting enough done in the day, but it's like, by the time I get my shoes on in the morning, it's already lunch time. It's like the world's laws have changed but I'm the same. You would think that people would notice that I'm coming into work and hour later and getting half as much done, but no one seems to notice or has ever said anything to me other than I'm doing a great job. It's like I'm the only one who noticed. Also, I never know what day of the week it is, and I'll get up and wake everyone up for school or work and it's Saturday, or I'll think it's Friday and it's only Tuesday. That happens all the time, and never did before mushrooms. I think I may have lost a day while tripping, or repeated a day, and that explains the identical trip, and would also put me a day behind the original timeline. But who the fuck knows? It hasn't seemed to affect my life or others, so I guess it's cool. Obviously, I'm of a right mind, and know those things are impossible, but I'm just saying what I've observed. Regardless of the fact that I know I can't believe any of it is true. It doesn't really make any difference in my life though, and I don't really think about it, or do anything about it, so everything is as it should be, but I would say it seems a little strange. I haven't noticed any other strange things like that, but I really have had some strange new developments when it comes to time. I know that when I was a kid, an hour long meeting, or something like that, would feel like three hours, and also as we get older, time seems to speed up. That stuff is normal for everyone, but I definitely don't think it's normal for the day to go by so fast as it started to after I did mushrooms. I kinda think of it like how a turtle can't see an eagle fly past because it's brain doesn't process things that fast, but a hawk will see everything in slow motion. Maybe the timing in my brain got thrown off. But instead of processing stuff slow like a turtle, I actually process it much faster now (than before) and have actually excelled in my job and am much more looked at as the go to guy when it's time to figure something out. It always blows my mind when the coustomer, the contractor, and my boss, turn and look at me to lay out the job and explain how it's all going to be designed. It was never like that before I did mushrooms, although I have always been able to picture the end result in my mind very quickly. I keep telling them I'm just the plumber, but when I walk into an empty bathroom in a million dollar house and the coustomer only has a vision of what they want, but no one knows how to do it, so I get out the old tape measure, and start laying it out and going over a million options and what we have to do to make it work. But they all seem really appreciative, and I only started to be able to do that after I did mushrooms. Before that, I just did the water lines for five years, and didn't know anything else. Less than a year later and I can do anything, and think circles around everyone. Of course I always figured I could, but the mushrooms gave me the confidence to do it, and everyone just stepped out of my way. I wondered my whole life why I was never allowed to be in charge, and couldn't understand what was so special about the leader, that everyone looked to him. I think mushrooms just made me realize that people are full of shit, and none of them know anything, and that you just have to be a dick and take the lead and egnor their protests because they just act like they know everything but don't really know any more than you. People will actually like you better if you are like that believe it or not. I think it's because they trust you more when you are assertive rather than submissive and afraid of being confrontational. I don't know. All I know is that I tried really hard to be friendly and do what I thought would make people happy and I couldn't get anyone to include me, and now that I'm a dick, and do what I think is best, I can't get people to leave me the fuck alon, and everyone wants to be my buddy. Go figure. But you know that that is a very common example of how mushrooms work. They make you fearless, and they help you cut through the bullshit and get to what is important in life and what are the true priorities. They take you out of the mud that you have been taught to wallow in, and indeed have convinced yourself is your proper place in life, sloshing around in all the bullshit you have been told to believe about yourself, and playing the games others have taught you to play in order to scrape off a little from each other but never really stand on your own. But be warned, that also comes with a whole other set of dangers. You might be better off not knowing yourself, and just staying in the world you created to blind yourself from the truth, and continue to fulfill your role in someone else's games that they pay you so well to be a subordinate part of. Edited by Sub-Easy (12/22/22 02:46 PM)
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Stranger Registered: 12/17/22 Posts: 75 Last seen: 17 hours, 27 minutes |
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lol I know a lot of what you’re saying.
My journaling of my last experience I simply wrote; “During Highly spiritual almost downloading. After Is this becoming CrAzY? HaHa” I remember my trips very well actually and I don’t see me forgetting. Now the exact order of everything I have a hard time with initially as I’m trying to explain. I can piece it together afterwards as I remember the different experiences. First trip was fun in the beginning but I became very disappointed and even depressed. Fun wasn’t what I was looking for. As I eventually sat with the empty depressed feeling and just accepted it (which I have learned through spirituality/meditation) that’s when everything then turned to pure bliss. That’s the weird thing for me. I never know where to start or where to go when I’m telling the story for the first time, but I remember. Of course I remember what I remember…. I wouldn’t know if I’m not remembering lol some of it though, even during the experience, there’s still no words to describe it right then and there. But I get it. So to try and put that into words is literally impossible. What I personally wonder, is part of my experience due to a lifetime of never being satisfied, lost and confused, unfulfilled… and then getting into personal development/improvement, eventually getting into this whole spirituality thing, and then I consume mushrooms. I imagine it would have been quite different if I hadn’t done all that. I mean obviously part of what’s going on is our mind. Christian’s might meet or feel Jesus or God, Catholics might see Mary, Buddhist = Buddha. But many people, famous psychedelic pioneers and spiritual teachers/gurus speak about everything I had already bought into, because I believe it in the depths of my soul from the first time I heard it, and then I felt it completely validated and magnified with mushrooms. For people reading, or if any of this sounds interesting, start doing some reading or even YouTube/podcast. A great spiritual book to start with would be the untethered soul. Then you have people like Sadghuru, Deepak Chopra, Joe Dispnenza, Ram Daas, Wayne Dyer… so many more. These people touch on “the secret.” They say/write things that you’re like holy crap that is so true, so simple…. Yet I never picked up on that. I was never taught that. How simple and how obviously true… I really like Stoicism too. It has a care free spiritual underlying to it. Letters to a stoic is a great book. You put this type of stuff into your head on a daily basis and your life will change, period. Now add mushrooms 🍄❤️ 😇 🙏🏻 🚀 Edited by PancyanterA (12/22/22 04:24 PM)
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Traveler Registered: 05/25/19 Posts: 531 Loc: USDA Zone 8 Last seen: 2 months, 10 days |
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Mushrooms helped me see that we / everything is connected and that the connection is love. They have also helped me be less fearful, more open. When I stop singing / humming in the mornings, I know it's time to re-dose. Usually every 6 weeks or so.
-------------------- “One's destination is never a place, but a new way of seeing things.” - Henry Miller LAGM v. 2.023 LAGM2021
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slowly dying since birth Registered: 04/23/21 Posts: 1,371 Loc: USA NC Last seen: 1 month, 7 days |
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I also noticed glossolalia as a side effect for a couple weeks after.
Just wanting to make noises that felt fun in my throat and kinda impulsive when I was feeling playful or had a nice thought. I don't know if that's related to your wanting to sing or hum, but it was a strange, but pleasant, long lasting side effect. I definitely get euphoric glossolalia when tripping. Sometimes loud and prolonged glossolalia. -------------------- Just take um like you get um. Those ephemeral spasms of infinity, in suspended animation, born across a boundless ether of existential misery aloft a revelry (of awe) for the abhorrently sublime.
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slowly dying since birth Registered: 04/23/21 Posts: 1,371 Loc: USA NC Last seen: 1 month, 7 days |
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I'm not a practitioner of religion or spirituality, but I am a student of world religion and history, so of course I went in search of cultural knowledge that would explain the trip.
Obviously I have heard Ram Daas, and other more commonly accessible spiritual thinkers, but the "religious" beliefs alone are extremely enlightening, even without practicing them. I like the spiritual study of the levels of self as relates to consciousness and dreaming, that are studied in Hinduism. The idea of turiya, seems to be a well thought out philosophy. But, there are so many great spiritual philosophies around the world that lend themselves to the trip world. Obviously telepathy is hard to translate into words, but you can still remember the meaning of the information you are experiencing during a trip, and allot of the spiritual disciplines lend themselves nicely in parallel to the psychedelic experience. So I can see how mushrooms could change a person who is already into spirituality in whatever form. -------------------- Just take um like you get um. Those ephemeral spasms of infinity, in suspended animation, born across a boundless ether of existential misery aloft a revelry (of awe) for the abhorrently sublime.
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doolhoofd.com Registered: 12/22/22 Posts: 353 Loc: Dorsia |
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Quote: I was born with strabismus, my left eye turning inward. Had surgery that did improve the situation quite a bit, but not 100 %. I always felt awkward and afraid around others; mushrooms were a revelation to me, and I sporadically withdrew from life to my own little secluded place in a forest nearby. Then, way back around 2004, to my utter surprise, I met the Sun God. The Sun revealed Itself to me as a living, conscious being; It was waiting for me above the field adjacent to my spot one day, It communicated with me in a weird way, and put on a show in the sky with psychedelic clouds and colors. I've been receiving signs ever since: my fridge switches on/off in tune with my thoughts, the numbers 44, 444, 4444 appear over and over again, and I find synchronous butterflies everywhere I go. I now start each day with Surya Namaskara, the yoga Salute to the Sun; I also created a post on my DeviantArt page (username doolhoofd) with 10 quotes about the Sun and the Stars; I wrote a lengthy philosophical essay on Spectacle Society; and I devoted the Favourites section of my page on DA to collecting some of the amazingly spectacular psychedelic art that can be found on the site. https://www.deviantart.com/gnom -------------------- Penny: 'What are you and Professor FussyFace up to tonight?' Leonard: "Star Wars on Blu-ray." Penny: 'Haven't you seen that movie like, a thousand times?' Leonard: "Not on Blu-ray. Only twice on Blu-ray." Penny: 'Oh, Leonard...' Leonard: "I know. It's high-resolution sadness." - The Big Bang Theory, S07E09
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Quote: Cannabis does have some potential negative side effects, other than affecting blood glucose levels, but it's interesting to hear about how mushrooms affected your relationship with sugar. I haven't heard that one, before. Quote: We have a lot of similar self-improvement practices. Quote: This is one of the things that worries me about trying mushrooms. I don't want to start believing in things in which I currently don't believe, as a result of hallucinations. It seems useful if one is near the end of his life, but that's not me.
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Psychedelic success story… Registered: 01/11/22 Posts: 1,076 Last seen: 9 hours, 33 minutes |
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I am an atheist both before and after using mushrooms. Despite that I have widened my perspective on connectedness and spirituality. No religion has leaked in.
-------------------- Tweeq’s wood lovers | Recipes | Moopers nats notes | Moopers subtrop notes | Milkboy gummies
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Quote: That sounds much less concerning than does going from being an atheist to believing in god, overnight. Lol
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splelling chceker Registered: 07/29/12 Posts: 14,136 Loc: FNQ Last seen: 17 seconds |
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Quote: The mechanism is more one of acceptance than esoteric knowledge being imparted by the fungus. Sure some people do get all woo and start believing in funny things but that's far from the average experience. Over time psychedelics changed me from being agnostic and slightly spiritual to atheist. I'm truly a non-believer now. So many illusions have led me to accept that none of them are true. The only other option is insanity. --------------------
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Dharma Bum Registered: 07/01/22 Posts: 265 Loc: Eleusis Last seen: 1 day, 13 hours |
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just to add in. in my late teens and early 20s i was a serious psychonaught. mostly LSD because i had access to it. i'd used shrooms a few times, but honestly never enough shrooms back then. it was like split an 8th and think... LSD better. lol. i just didn't eat enough.
Originally i took LSD out of some curiosity and i've always been into experimentation and experiences over "things" when you're 18 dropping acid you don't have a ton to think about so it was "recreation" that had long term spiritual side effects. it changed my life's course from going into the corporate world to...seeking business and work that co-benefited society and the environment. flash forward 30 years later and i came to mush. learned to grow my own medicine to get away from SSRIs and break depression. i started micro dosing, then just went to macro doses because i'd never had access to so many shrooms before. my spouse, friends and family all notice i'm different. in a positive way. i feel better and actually want to be here now. like alive. the last macro i did i died and literally was reborn. like from quanta...while relearning who i'd been i was able to pick and choose which pieces i wanted to put back in to "me", which pieces no longer served me and which ones i could shelve as "memories". it's been almost a month now since that experience and i'm still processing so much from it i've had no desire to trip again since. There's no way that someone could not come out of that type of experience forever changed. TBF, i've gone into this with the intent of introspection and to resolve events in my real life that were sober ego deaths on deeply painful levels. some people just want to enjoy the trip and aren't trying to work through shit, so they may not have the same lasting effects. though i think it would be hard to not have some lasting changes in anyone who takes a high enough dose to go "somewhere". so, i agree with the comments that they are a key, sometimes a door...but not the answer to enlightenment. also, the creative inspiration from shrooms over the past year has been incredible. -------------------- Be patient & Let it happen
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Psychedelic success story… Registered: 01/11/22 Posts: 1,076 Last seen: 9 hours, 33 minutes |
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You’ve had no desire to trip in the last month since your profound experience. I’ll be curious when you’re ready again. I find I’ve been in that place a few times, and I’m typically finding my body is ready again in 2 months or so. My last one was 3 months ago and I’m just starting to feel ready.
-------------------- Tweeq’s wood lovers | Recipes | Moopers nats notes | Moopers subtrop notes | Milkboy gummies
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Stranger Registered: 12/17/22 Posts: 75 Last seen: 17 hours, 27 minutes |
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Quote: Well…. What is God? Nobody knows and it’s deeply personal. For example, the many Christians feeling that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin followed with burning in hell for eternity. Then there’s all kinds of homosexual Christians. My sister in law married her wife in a Christian ceremony. By her God Father who is a retired preacher, exiled from his church because he married a previous gay couple. And just saying, what he had to say was one of the most beautiful receptions I ever heard. Clearly these people are worshipping totally different Gods. But they’re all Christians. See what I’m trying to get at? I’m not necessarily a Christian. I will often say yes to avoid all this lol but I wouldn’t really say that I am. I typically say “God, The Universe, quantum field, energy…. whatever you want to call it. It doesn’t matter.” I don’t think you’ll be telling the world to repent because Jesus is returning lol I just used that as an example. That I can totally see how one could have that transformation, and I have heard of it. Personally I feel all major world religions are more so metaphors. Sometimes I wonder if Heaven and Hell is right here right now. And that God and Satan is internal. Personal mysteries I like to ponder on sometimes. I always say I know I don’t know, and nobody does.
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Not a number Registered: 12/12/22 Posts: 94 Last seen: 4 days, 16 hours |
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The reason for starting mushrooms was the idea to heal my depression and anxiety.
First of all I have a predisposition for depression like everybody in my family. Then there was the pandemic with all its social side effects. And then there were all the other crises, wars, floods, wildfires and climate change in general. We stupid humans are ruining our planet with ever increasing speed and there's hardly a thing one can do about it and all of that dragged me down down down. I felt paralyzed and helpless in spite of my loving partner and my friends and family who supported me. I couldn't think of the future as something positive. All I saw was the coming apocalypse. I started taking SSRIs again, which helped me come out of the deepest hole and stabilize. But being just stable is not being happy. But then I started with shrooms, about two months ago. Until now I only took some mild doses and some micro doses but I can already feel the effect. I got more active again, more talkative and outgoing, even relaxed and happy. Then I stopped the SSRIs and it was pretty OK. I still have fears (which I think are valid) and I'm not always in a good mood. But I have the impression that the mushrooms gave me back my mental flexibility. I'm not stable like a rock but I can balance things out much better. Like a blade of grass swaying in the wind I'll always find my center again. I will definitely explore this further, trying higher doses eventually. Ah, yes, I don't believe in God and would prefer to keep it that way.
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mad $cientist, ganjacologist Registered: 09/18/09 Posts: 974 Loc: A fictional tale, in fictional... Last seen: 1 day, 6 hours |
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For the better
Helps see passed your own BullShite. Closer to Oneness Empathy towards others/strangers -------------------- a wise man said: "Bad drugs tell you, that you want more; Good drugs tell you, that you've had enough" Trades pending: if we have any pending trades or you never received anything that you were expecting send a PM with details. I've had a lot going on, and may have overlooked something as well as USPS snafu's.
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Ascended Registered: 11/14/10 Posts: 5,401 Last seen: 15 hours, 11 minutes |
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WOW!!
Its been a trying journey. I was introduced to P. Azurescens from the OR coast by my roomate when I attended The Art Institute of Seattle in 2001. My roomate was a very good friend. We grew up together in Eastern WA. His brother was stationed in Seaside OR, and was serving in the Coast Gaurd. He was given the mushroom knowledge by locals in the area. I started with a handful of fresh mushrooms, and was very intrigued by the experience. I soon became obsessed. The mushrooms became a spiritual tool, and a fully mystical religious experience. God. The Exodus 'meal in the wilderness.' In 2006 I heard a voice on 14g of cubes. The female voice asked me, "Will you die for them to know, or will you keep a secret?" I agreed to give my life having found the missing Holy Communion that was replaced/symbolized by the Church/Eucharist. I fully believed that the Roman Catholic Church organized that the sacred mushroom was Satan, the Adversary. The trick of the Devil. The forbidden fruit. To me the mushroom experience was the experience of Christ/Jesus (the holy!), and Lucifer/Satan (the demonic). I became intensly judgmental of the Church's history, and prescence in the world. I soon became fond of the Baphomet concept/symbol/reality of the Union of opposites. When I gave my life I woke up mentally blank. Reborn. I felt intensly fagile. I didn't remember I had a job to go to. A man came to my door and was heard saying, "The sun/Son is going to come out soon..." I was overcome with the recognition of my role. I was to reveal the sacred mushroom to the masses. LOL. As I sat and talked I could feel the edge of the collective unconscious inching closer to me. It even felt like I was going to be nabbed for revealing hidden knowledge to the unknowing masses... As I ended my portrayal of Truth with, "Now you have to eat the Tale/tail!" The surrounding collective mental space that I was now open to (Christ) burst into a chaos, and an oscillation. The surrounding collective mind turned to me, and stuck to my body that was previously free. Driven mad by the chaos that ensued I was taken to my parents house because the people that were with me didn't know what else to do. I heard very loudly, "Suicide!!" It scared me so much I ran out the door, and was later picked up by my brother. I was taken to the psych ward at Memorial Hospital in Yakima, WA. I felt very punished by the oppressive medication, and spent a couple weeks there very confused. I felt betrayed by the God that I found. I was ruled 'Gravely Disabled', and given the diagnosis of Bipolar Disorder. Later, when I could finally process some of what happened I decided that this was a conspiracy against me to hide what had happened. I got into Hero's Journey mythology and concluded that what I had gone through was a Spritual Emergency. I was introduced to Stanislav Grof. I spent allot of time wishing that I had somehow stayed in Seattle. I felt that I wouldn't have had to be medicated back under the propagandized delusion barrier, or what have you. I felt robbed. Like I was interupted and sabatoged. I spent allot of time talking out loud to existence after that, and had several experiences of crossing over this barrier that is produced by medicating away the awakening. Some time later, in 2010, I was joined with the experience of crossing THE BOUNDARY and revealing my message about the missing mushroom (it became an obsession also) and this time people revealed that they were on the other side of this barrier. Naturally. It was the mind of God, but each node a person! ...with the ability to take flight and talk to me in voices. They made my life very difficult. The LDS attacked me claiming they were Lucifer rebelling against God/Heaven, and the Catholics attacked me as the people of the Church battling Satan. They began pulling on the sky, and I relized that I was Ascended... Up, from where they see me! They still won't let go, and they try to climb over me to get above me. They can't handle it, won't recognize me as a God or anything, and to this day are all able to hear my reality up above them. I am made out of people. People are attatched to my body and mind like rays of the sun sticking out of me. I think I'm Aquarius.![]() Blessed are the fornicates! Blessed are the rich! Blessed are the idiots! Blessed are the gluttonous! I'm permamently open to them. They still won't come forward to talk to me. Its all still considered Schizophrenia. I'm actually diagnosed Paranoid Schizophrenic, or have been for reporting that people at the churches are/were after me! I have fun with it. Edited by FishOilTheKid (12/25/22 04:59 PM)
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one howdy stranger Registered: 07/07/20 Posts: 1,487 |
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I enjoyed reading your post.
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I had no appreciation for how conscious non animals were. The lack of education in the scientific community wasn't so obvious before. I feel sorry for those who can't handle them. I think they're going to hell and the mushroom exposes it to them. Sometimes people are already in hell and they make it out and others never ascend. Dude was my friend before he turned Israel spy and he felt so ashamed at how he betrayed me, he kept asking me if he should cut his finger off.
-------------------- Eluding is run by dumb nazis that work for the state, I know cause I was there when they stole my software. If I know who they are, than so does the state.
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Dharma Bum Registered: 07/01/22 Posts: 265 Loc: Eleusis Last seen: 1 day, 13 hours |
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i'm actually planning or potentially going to imbibe the sacrament of the mysteries at new years. if the stars align and the mood, vibe all things feel right and my headspace is in no way negative.
to add more to this conversation, in my post i mentioned being a heavy lysergic traveler in my youth. those lessons and the change it made in how i wanted to contribute to society, the earth, the universe has stuck with me for 30+ years. my current re-introduction to psychedelics via mushrooms is my "re-up" or "re-connection" to the universal "now" I had such lifelong fond memories of those experiences, that when the droll of life, family, kids, work, loss, repetition got me down i personally realized i needed to be shaken out of the pattern. i started cultivating and micro/macro dosing as a tool to re-embrace chaos. the chaos of continuous change. to remember flow. not to swim in it. to be "it". i've experimented from micro to MACRO over the past year and i think now that i've dried and preserved and know how to grow more if i needed to, that i'll always keep this key/door option to be a tool for spiritual/personal growth and creativity. as for the post that said they're afraid of hallucinations causing belief in something... if you go through a true psychedelic experience, you may realize you were "believing" in a non pure way. or, what you believe in now will only be reinforced. or, that you need to shift your beliefs. in a good way. or that you're clinging to a material world / ego which was by no fault of your own or necessarily your teachers, taught to you. and yeah, i think jesus and all his deciples were trip'n balls AF. literally EVERY religion has psychedelic art. visions. why can't they all be saying the same thing, just in different languages and metaphors/perceptions of different cultural and environmental stimuli? while passing elements of the previous dominant belief system down the line? don't confuse a chemical reaction with a spiritual experience. however, do not turn a blind eye to what is inside of every one of us and shares interdependence on everything else that has ever or ever will exist. with or without you. it is the same. use the chemical reaction as a tool, as a light on a path. not the answer to what you seek. Or, what seeks you. Merry ChristMyth p.s., i'm not dosed but did probably drink too much gin. LMFAO -------------------- Be patient & Let it happen
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Ascended Registered: 11/14/10 Posts: 5,401 Last seen: 15 hours, 11 minutes |
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Quote: Thanks! That's good to hear.
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Quote: I feel terrible for all the plants I've terrorized and butchered with the lawn mower.
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Not a number Registered: 12/12/22 Posts: 94 Last seen: 4 days, 16 hours |
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Some posts here get me really concerned if I should continue taking mushrooms. Completely losing touch with reality isn't one of my life goals.
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Stranger Registered: 05/20/13 Posts: 158 Last seen: 12 days, 18 hours |
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Quote: This is interesting...and somewhat concerning, even though it doesn't seem like it's been the cause of much trouble, for you. Time distortion sounds like it could be problematic. Has anyone else experienced anything like this (not necessarily during a trip, but for a while afterwards)? Quote: Yea, I see what you mean. I wish there was a more uniform use of various terms like those, to make these kinds of discussions simpler and more efficient. Personally, I use all of those terms to refer to different things: god - an omnipotent/omniscient, intelligent being the universe - "all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos" quantum field - I don't use this term, because I don't know anything significantly useful about quantum physics, and I don't like to just create a definition for a word/term. energy -"the capacity for doing work. It may exist in potential, kinetic, thermal, electrical, chemical, nuclear, or other various forms" / I don't use this to describe any sort of mystical/spiritual force When people say things like "it's up to the universe", I'm usually curious if they think that there is some sort of intelligent force in play, or if they literally just mean that nature will take its course. For instance, I don't believe that you can literally ask the universe for things, unlike what is taught in "The Secret", or by a lot of people who talk about "manifestation". I think you can use visualization to help align your actions with your goal, so you can achieve it in the future, but I don't think that the act of visualizing yourself with a boat, in and of itself, will somehow attract a boat into your life. Quote: This is interesting. Are you referring to plants/fungi/other living organisms, or to everything? I ask because I've heard people speak about sensing some sort of consciousness or life force present in inanimate objects, while on psychedelics. Quote: When you say "hell", do you mean in the biblical sense, or in the sense of just having a miserable life, here, on Earth. Either way, did you always hold such beliefs, or did psychedelics influence them? Quote: That's an interesting perspective. I suspect that a lot of religions/spiritual beliefs are based on people's psychedelic experiences, too. Quote: Lol Yea, loss of touch with reality is something that concerns me, as well. Despite all of the things that I think psychedelics, particularly mushrooms, can help with, I don't consider the benefits to be worth losing any sort of connection with reality.
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Psychedelic success story… Registered: 01/11/22 Posts: 1,076 Last seen: 9 hours, 33 minutes |
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I’m a person who was concerned with a loss of reality. I had the time experiences that Sub-Easy had before mushrooms. Is has not gotten any worse, but I have gotten better at my job (I’m a research scientist making >$200k) and better at being relaxed about doing less.
I do the same amount of work as I always have. I’m more efficient at it. Procrastinating less due to anxiety, and getting more done in less time all since the mushrooms came in. My grasp on reality seems fine still. My friends, family and colleagues all think I am better now than before mushrooms. Not all of them know about them, but they have notions remarked on it. I’ve also gotten promoted to a leadership role since starting with them, and am looking at another promotion at my next performance review with a substantial raise compared to the last one. So from those perspectives I’d say the mushrooms have been worth the investment of time and resources. -------------------- Tweeq’s wood lovers | Recipes | Moopers nats notes | Moopers subtrop notes | Milkboy gummies
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Stranger Registered: 12/17/22 Posts: 75 Last seen: 17 hours, 27 minutes |
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Quote: After smoking DMT a few times back to back since my last reply…. Wtf is reality? Are you losing touch or are you gaining a new perspective? Who regulates the response/experience and determines what is real or not, in touch out of touch, etc….? I have zero fear of literally going crazy. I’m happily married with 3 children and a business owner. My wife tolerates my attempts to explain what happened… It expands consciousness in my experience. I now have the curiosity of a cat times 100. Edited by PancyanterA (12/28/22 04:01 PM)
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Undefined Registered: 05/27/19 Posts: 494 Loc: With the loons Last seen: 4 hours, 28 minutes |
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Some people prefer to take the blue pill
-------------------- "Things are true that I forget, but no one taught that to me yet." A disembodied-re-embodied consciousness be-ing (With all the accoutrements.)
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splelling chceker Registered: 07/29/12 Posts: 14,136 Loc: FNQ Last seen: 17 seconds |
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Quote: It's curious how common we see people with science and medical careers in this forum. I don't know for sure, but it seems like a pattern. Quote: More DMT will cure you of that.
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Stranger Registered: 05/20/13 Posts: 158 Last seen: 12 days, 18 hours |
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Quote: This is discussed pretty interestingly in my other thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forum In my opinion, the "who" which determines what is real/not, and what is in touch/out of touch with reality, is the sober population that experiences things that are objectively the same (or as close to the same as we can get, given natural, slight perceptual differences), and/or the person/population who can support his/its claim(s) via repeatable testing. For instance, if there are 10 sober people in a room, and they all can observe that a a statue is motionless (which is also a testable claim), and one person who took a drug claims that it is dancing or swaying, I would side with the claims made by the 10 sober people over the one person who's on drugs. If the drug consumer's claim can be proven via testing, that's a different story, but his experiencing it, alone, while under the influence of a chemical(s) that affects perception, is less convincing.
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slowly dying since birth Registered: 04/23/21 Posts: 1,371 Loc: USA NC Last seen: 1 month, 7 days |
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Rocky_raccoon, you might feel better if you spend enough time learning about all of the negative things that bother you.
It's usually like a bell curve. If you don't know anything, then it's unsettling, and then once you start learning and looking into stuff, it really gets unsettling the more you find out, but after you have looked enough into everything, then it gets much easier to not be so uneasy about everything going on. For one, it forces you to make up your mind and make the hard judgements to settle how you feel about a thing. And for another, you realize that allot of it is just how it's always been, or allot of it is bullshit that is just being made up or spun into something that it really isn't. But once you know enough to be able to make a judgement on something, and feel confident in where you stand on an issue, based on actually understanding all aspects and points of view, then you are able to make peace with it. It's different than being ignorant, or indifferent. It's actually feeling comfort in mastering the problem in your own understanding. Not saying you don't do that already, but the world can be ugly until you are able to find a way to come to terms with it through seeing the whole picture and forming your own opinions on it. Even if you come to the decision to drop the bombs, at least you will feel like you have a plan and control over how to respond, rather than just feeling helpless and afraid, and confused or unsure. But that was just a side note. What I came to say was, my younger brother used to be extremely racist. I wasn't around so I don't know what influence he had to get that way and wasn't aware he felt that way. But he told me about it later when we got back in touch. It's strange, because no one in my family is racist, and we were taught not to be, plus my grandma would give us black baby dolls and stuff like that, just to teach us not to be. But somehow he ended up extremely racist, as I've been told, and he said psychedelics completely changed him. Unfortunately, he is now, anti racist just as bad, and has been known to knock more than one person out for acting racist in his company. So, I guess that's not too good ether, but what can you do. -------------------- Just take um like you get um. Those ephemeral spasms of infinity, in suspended animation, born across a boundless ether of existential misery aloft a revelry (of awe) for the abhorrently sublime.
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I don't know if they changed me
Mushrooms always just make me want to do good Do good for everybody and for life They always had that effect where that's that You can't change things you can't control
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Not a number Registered: 12/12/22 Posts: 94 Last seen: 4 days, 16 hours |
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Quote: This is reassuring, thanks for sharing! Quote: I agree with everything you wrote. Reality is a concept shared and defined by a group of people that are experiencing more or less the same. So what I believe to be real is also shaped by others. But the basis of "reality" is how the outside world is perceived via my senses and how it reflects on my neuronal circuitry. Our brains are creating reality by connecting, interpreting and evaluating input. Quote: I think this is exactly what I was looking for when I started my mushroom journey. Being able to accept what at first sight seems unbearable. I was so caught up in my depression and anxiety, feeling helpless and alone, unable to see the good things because they were overshadowed by the black clouds of the future. I am getting better now and I think the mushrooms are helping me to rethink, restart and go on with my live. Quote: Very very true. Thank you all for sharing your thoughts on the topic! Edited by rocky_raccoon (12/29/22 05:37 AM)
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slowly dying since birth Registered: 04/23/21 Posts: 1,371 Loc: USA NC Last seen: 1 month, 7 days |
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Rocky_racoone, regarding your comment on the quote from shroomsandstuff, that it a big part of it.
We assume that we all can say what is real by the fact that other people agree it is real, but one of the ways shrooms change you is that they open your mind to breaking the notions you have created in your mind. Some could say that they make you loose your mind, and some could say that you are crazy and they make you not crazy anymore. You assume that others are seeing the things you see in the same way as you do and that proves that they are reality, but in truth, other people don't see things at all the same as each other and that is the evidence that nothing is real. That's one of the main reasons that shrooms are good medicine for people having problems dealing with life. I know from my own personal experience with shrooms, that how you so strongly believe everything to be, can completely be found to be just a creation of your own mind. They do change you, but they change you by letting you descover that the world you created, or really, how you view the world, was crazy to begin with. It seems to yourself like you might have lost your mind at first, but when you find it, I think that most people come through it with a more accurate way of seeing the world and reality. Kinda like my brother. Who knows what ideas or points of view made him have such a strong belief that would make him racist, but I'm sure it was his reality and to him, that was how the world was and everyone else could see the world the same as him if they wanted. But in truth, no one sees the world correctly as how it truly is because we are all looking at it through different filters that our minds create. I think mushrooms get rid of the filters, or at least soften them long enough so you can be free of them long enough to create new, and I would say, more accurate filters. That's why so many have such good results from them. They take you out of your own crazy mind, and give you the option to change it if you want to. I don't look at things at all like I used to, but I think I see them more accurately now. It's the same for all of us. We don't see reality the same, and if you could take the filters out of one person's brain and put them into yours, then even though we assume that we all are looking at the same thing, then you would see that they don't see it the same as you do at all. You can put a hillbilly in trump Tower and he will see the world like a hillbilly in trump Tower, but if you put Donald trump's filters in his brain, then it would look very different when looking through those glasses. The person and place haven't changed, only how someone sees it has. Nurture is much more powerful than nature, and I believe that we are all just prisoners in our own creation. LSD is the key....... hippies -------------------- Just take um like you get um. Those ephemeral spasms of infinity, in suspended animation, born across a boundless ether of existential misery aloft a revelry (of awe) for the abhorrently sublime.
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Stranger Registered: 12/17/22 Posts: 75 Last seen: 17 hours, 27 minutes |
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I truly enjoy this website lol
One of my deepest curiosities now and questioning reality is more so based on what don’t we know that is as real and true as what we termed gravity? Argue all you want. Step off the ledge… you fall. There’s some really cool theories on how pyramids and other insane stone structures were built. Theories because we don’t have a clue. Supposedly so much more modern so much more knowledgeable, but we can’t answer how these structures were built. We can’t know what we don’t know, and we can only know what we know. Which has been wrong before on various topics, accepted by most of society at the time, and it’s safe to assume we currently are and will be wrong again and again. With limitless discoveries awaiting. Sorry if going off topic but I’ll say again back on topic, absolutely mushrooms have changed me for the better. Mushrooms and now dmt both. DMT didn’t really feel like anything. Didn’t meet any deities. No revelations or telepathy. But I can’t stop thinking about those twisting evolving perfect colors and shapes that had a hypnotic presence. I feel beyond privileged to have had the honor to witness it. Now it has me wondering if it does mean something that we don’t know. It has that curiosity maxed out. It feels like it was so much deeper than just pretty colors and shapes. Did that have some sort of affect or mental impact? Seems to me to be deeper than brief entertainment. My logic brain says no it was just pretty hallucinations. But I can’t shake it.
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slowly dying since birth Registered: 04/23/21 Posts: 1,371 Loc: USA NC Last seen: 1 month, 7 days |
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Many of us are geared towards always experiencing the unknown, or try to figure out something we don't understand.
We spend so much time learning and working out problems, and we injoy it. The next moment is always a treat that we are looking forward to, because it reveling the unknown. Just like how you can't wait to turn the page and see what comes next, or how you are so curious of how the movie will end and what is going to happen next. One could say that this is the greatest pleasure about life, just looking forward to what will come in the next moment, or even imagining the future, and how this simple thing can make us feel good. Just waiting for what comes next makes us happy. So it's no wonder that we love the trip so much, and we love trying to untangle the mystery, even if we have to believe the impossible just to get the joy of contemplating the possibilities. Novelty is a gift to us, and it's what we spend most of our lives seeking from one moment to the next, and one idea or understanding to the next, and that is important for us to do, in order to build a map of reality in our minds. The map is always expanding and being tested and corrected, so of course mushrooms are going to change you, because they add so much to the map, and they add it because they offer novelty and allow you to find the next moment to be a place you could hardly dream of or imagine, and also they give you so many new mysteries to unravel about yourself, the nature of reality, and the greatly expanded possibilities of the unknown. What a strange new realm to add to the map you are creating of reality with every new moment and piece of information. Moments leave the realms that lie forward in time, and becomes the realm that is you and all you have seen and collected to yourself. Of course mushrooms change you. How could they not? -------------------- Just take um like you get um. Those ephemeral spasms of infinity, in suspended animation, born across a boundless ether of existential misery aloft a revelry (of awe) for the abhorrently sublime. Edited by Sub-Easy (12/29/22 05:43 PM)
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Quote: It is easy to prove that we see the world as it is. Also that we perceive the real world the same as others unless you have a mental or a physical disorder. If the city you live in has red double decker buses with a 16 liter V8. We can prove that this object, the bus, is red is a bus and is propelled by a certain type of engine. We do not see or interact with the world because we have filters that may let us interpret reality in a form other than it is. We can measure the wave length of a colour, and we know that the our cones pass that information to our brains. Unless you have a disorder, we can see that colour as our brain translates that wave length. You could attempt to argue over the brains interpretation of the wave length but we all know what red is unless you are visually impaired some how. If we view the world differently because of filters then it would be impossible to describe a red bus on route 6. But we are able to do that reliably to others unless they have a mental disorder of some degree. Our minds do not create filters but rather interprets input from the surrounding environment. That could be colour, pain, sound, these things are not unique to each individuals interpretation of reality. On the other hand consuming a drug can alter the the interpretation of input.
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Quote: I think I agree with pretty much everything you said except this Kiwi89. It certainly isn’t easy to prove this, and currently no one has proven this, in fact I think it would be more accurate to suggest science has proven the opposite, that we don’t see the world as it truly is. Instead, we do see the world through interpretation machines that have evolved to interpret certain stimuli in certain ways. Ways in which make it easier for us to survive on the African savanna. I think it’s also very plausible that we all have completely different conscious experiences of the same stimuli, but I wouldn’t bet on it. Sub_easy, I don’t think it’s at all safe to assume that psychedelic drugs “remove a filter”. I think all we know is that these substances just change the way your interpretation machine operates. I suppose it’s plausible though that these drugs may make our conscious experience closer to the truth of reality in certain aspects of experience, I certainly can’t rule that out, but I’d be very, very skeptical about thinking that. Edited by Bardy (12/30/22 03:48 AM)
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Quote: -------------------- Just take um like you get um. Those ephemeral spasms of infinity, in suspended animation, born across a boundless ether of existential misery aloft a revelry (of awe) for the abhorrently sublime.
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Quote: -------------------- Just take um like you get um. Those ephemeral spasms of infinity, in suspended animation, born across a boundless ether of existential misery aloft a revelry (of awe) for the abhorrently sublime.
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Stranger Registered: 06/16/20 Posts: 648 |
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Quote: That was a lot of of side stepping away from what you originally posted, which is below. You are arguing about the shade of red to distract from your original argument about reality. You clearly state that nothing is real because we see them differently. Quote: My reply was about the nature of reality not the shade of the red or how you feel about the red bus. You are a gish galloper.
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Stranger Registered: 06/16/20 Posts: 648 |
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Quote: In my previous example about our perception of red bus on route 6. We can measure a light wave that we call red. We know that we can produce a paint that will be red. So if we paint that bus red if our cones in our eyes are functioning correctly we will see red. I can not recall a scientific experiment that proves that our interpretation of red is incorrect. Our interpretation of the world may be limited by our data receptors, I do not believe that science has proven that that the data is not real or is another form. Quote: If we were to take ten people and use a needle to pierce the skin on their right index finger, unless they have some nerve damage I am sure that all would agree that it produces a painful experience. Sure the degree of pain may be evaluated differently.
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doolhoofd.com Registered: 12/22/22 Posts: 353 Loc: Dorsia |
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Quote: Here's a great TED-Talk that asks the question: "Do we see reality as it is?" (Spoiler alert: the above statement by Bardy turns out to be correct.) -------------------- Penny: 'What are you and Professor FussyFace up to tonight?' Leonard: "Star Wars on Blu-ray." Penny: 'Haven't you seen that movie like, a thousand times?' Leonard: "Not on Blu-ray. Only twice on Blu-ray." Penny: 'Oh, Leonard...' Leonard: "I know. It's high-resolution sadness." - The Big Bang Theory, S07E09
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Again, I agree with you Kiwi89. But I think I’m making a slightly separate point.
There is no correct or incorrect experience (I’m using the word experience here in place of interpretation, because I think it’s a much better fit) of the part of the visible spectrum that we call “red”. We don’t experience red as a wavelength, we experience it as a colour. Our rods and cones are the instruments our brain uses to detect this particular wavelength, but then this data is interpreted in our brains and what follows is the experience of red. So my point was; we may very well all experience something different when we see red, but because our experience of that colour has always been the same, and we’ve learned to call it “red”, we can all agree only on the fact that we assign the noun “red” to that particular experience. Quote: Maybe proven was too strong a word, but I do believe science points us firmly in the direction of -> Our sense interpreting/experiencing machines in our skulls aren’t perceiving nature as it truly is at the base level. I definitely lean towards thinking that Donald Hoffman’s Interface theory has some truth in it. Quote: We can agree on that, but this is the same problem as the colour experience. How do we know that everyone’s experience of pain is the same? We can all agree that we don’t like painful experiences, and that it’s best to avoid them. This provides a massive evolutionary advantage. What we haven’t been able to figure out though, is how to tell what an individual’s experience of pain is actually like to them. They’ll be able to describe it using language and say it “burns”, or it “stings”, or it “aches”, but those are all words we’ve taught children to assign to those experiences, the same as we teach people to assign the word “red” to an experience of colour. Having said all that though, if we could one day figure out a way of directly comparing experiences, I would not at all be surprised if we all had much the same experiences to the same stimuli. We all share the same genetics for the most part after all, and our brains all seem to function in pretty much the same way generally speaking.
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Quote: There are a couple talks that I have seen like this about. It is important to note that he is saying, we thought the earth was flat until we could prove that it was not. He is putting forward a theory of his but providing no proof. He does not know what this underlying structure of reality is but he personally believes that it is there. His example of the Jewel beetle used as an example of natural selection not favoring seeing reality. This is a example of Supernormal stimulus. This is not an example of evolution favoring fitness but rather an example of a new stimulus eliciting a stronger response. His argument is not that the train or red tomato do not exist but that the underlying structure may be different than we actually see. This is similar to saying the the colour red is not actual red but photons scattered by the matter light interacts with. Therefore red is really different than we are able to observe. This does not alter the fact that we see it as red, it is measurable. So is the train squashing you, it does not matter that it may be a representation of a system we can not observe because our sensors are not attuned for that fine data point, it is still a train.
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I’m certainly not arguing for the train not being real. I very much avoid standing on train tracks haha
And I don’t think Sub-easy really thinks that either, I think he just doesn’t edit his writing, and sometimes gets carried away haha
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And yeah, the whole idea I think is that evolution has given us the ability to perceive reality, just close enough to its true nature, for us to be able to survive in the environment we evolved in.
So our perceptions of the world are not true, but they are close enough so that we avoid being squashed by trains ![]() Thanks doolhoofd! I will check that out later 😊
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slowly dying since birth Registered: 04/23/21 Posts: 1,371 Loc: USA NC Last seen: 1 month, 7 days |
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Quote: -------------------- Just take um like you get um. Those ephemeral spasms of infinity, in suspended animation, born across a boundless ether of existential misery aloft a revelry (of awe) for the abhorrently sublime.
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I didn’t say that it’s proven we experience red differently, I said it’s possible we do. My point is that at this moment in time no one can prove or disprove this.
Or in other words, it’s plausible that we experience stimuli the same way, and it’s plausible that we don’t. Sub, you kind of just contradicted yourself in that statement I think. You basically said we do and we don’t experience the same red… I’m tempted to ask you what the 11 senses are but I also don’t want to follow you down that rabbit hole haha. I’ve made my point, so I’m out now ![]() Hope you all have a great NYE!
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Not a number Registered: 12/12/22 Posts: 94 Last seen: 4 days, 16 hours |
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There were a lot of good points made from different sides. So thinking about red buses and perception I came to following conclusions:
1. There is no filter in front of our mind. Our mind and therefore we ourselves ARE the filter. If we change the function of our brain via chemicals or meditation or whatever, of course our perception will change. But we can't take on the filter of another person, because it is always connected to an individual brain and it's function. 2. Two people cannot in any possible way have the same experience. Our brains are the means of perception and as Bardy said, "We don’t experience red as a wavelength, we experience it as a colour." Which means we don't see with our eyes but with our brains. Since every brain is unique, every experience must be as well. Even in the same person each experience of perception is the result of a the current state of your brain which itself changes all the time. A man can't step into the same river twice and he can never have the exact same experience again. 3. We can still assume that our perceptions will be somewhat similar to those of other people, just because our brains are, shaped by the long evolution of our common ancestors. But we can never fully prove it because there is just no way to compare.
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Want to jump back in just to say I fully agree with how you summarised those points Rocky.
I find this topic so interesting. Edited by Bardy (01/02/23 12:06 AM)
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slowly dying since birth Registered: 04/23/21 Posts: 1,371 Loc: USA NC Last seen: 1 month, 7 days |
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Quote: I'm good with this interpretation. Maybe a slight divergence in agreement on semantics. But very beautifully presented. It's a shame how lacking my associates in science education was. Fortunately I love reading textbooks cover to cover and absorb them like a sponge, so I went much further than the assigned reading and finished additional textbooks beyond the class syllabus. A&P one and two textbooks have very limited coverage of the brain's A&P Second year psychology and chemistry also is hardly more than an introduction. Fortunately, I've always enjoyed spending my days in the pages of textbooks and fiction. But there is so much to learn just to say you have scratched the surface. Especially when it comes to the study needed in relation to the op's question. College doesn't even start to unravel the partial picture of the world that we have available to us so far. It would take a tremendous amount of study just to start to understand even the little bit that we know in relation to the op's question. But I think you have a good way of looking at the subject. Lacking the massive curriculum anyone would need to really understand what was going on, I think you still have valid points. @ -------------------- Just take um like you get um. Those ephemeral spasms of infinity, in suspended animation, born across a boundless ether of existential misery aloft a revelry (of awe) for the abhorrently sublime.
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Not a number Registered: 12/12/22 Posts: 94 Last seen: 4 days, 16 hours |
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I'm glad you can relate to my point of view. Of course it's only a superficial explanation and a lot about the exact working of the human brain is still poorly understood. But to me it's one of the most fascinating topics.
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Microdosing and doing occasional trips has lifted a lot of brain fog that i didn’t even know I had.
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They began pulling on the sky, and I relized that I was Ascended... Up, from where they see me! They still won't let go, and they try to climb over me to get above me. They can't handle it, won't recognize me as a God or anything, and to this day are all able to hear my reality up above them. I am made out of people. People are attatched to my body and mind like rays of the sun sticking out of me. I think I'm Aquarius.

