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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: BlueAndOrange]
    #28112427 - 12/25/22 08:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

i'm actually planning or potentially going to imbibe the sacrament of the mysteries at new years. if the stars align and the mood, vibe all things feel right and my headspace is in no way negative.

to add more to this conversation, in my post i mentioned being a heavy lysergic traveler in my youth. those lessons and the change it made in how i wanted to contribute to society, the earth, the universe has stuck with me for 30+ years. my current re-introduction to psychedelics via mushrooms is my "re-up" or "re-connection" to the universal "now"

I had such lifelong fond memories of those experiences, that  when the droll of life, family, kids, work, loss, repetition got me down i personally realized i needed to be shaken out of the pattern. i started cultivating and micro/macro dosing as a tool to re-embrace chaos. the chaos of continuous change. to remember flow. not to swim in it. to be "it". i've experimented from micro to MACRO over the past year and i think now that i've dried and preserved and know how to grow more if i needed to, that i'll always keep this key/door option to be a tool for spiritual/personal growth and creativity.

as for the post that said they're afraid of hallucinations causing belief in something... if you go through a true psychedelic experience, you may realize you were "believing" in a non pure way. or, what you believe in now will only be reinforced. or, that you need to shift your beliefs. in a good way. or that you're clinging to a material world / ego which was by no fault of your own or necessarily your teachers, taught to you.

and yeah, i think jesus and all his deciples were trip'n balls AF. literally EVERY religion has psychedelic art. visions. why can't they all be saying the same thing, just in different languages and metaphors/perceptions of different cultural and environmental stimuli? while passing elements of the previous dominant belief system down the line?

don't confuse a chemical reaction with a spiritual experience. however, do not turn a blind eye to what is inside of every one of us and shares interdependence on everything else that has ever or ever will exist. with or without you. it is the same. use the chemical reaction as a tool, as a light on a path. not the answer to what you seek. Or, what seeks you.

Merry ChristMyth

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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: GenericHero] * 1
    #28112555 - 12/26/22 01:35 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Thanks!  That's good to hear.:thumbup:


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: pepz]
    #28113388 - 12/26/22 09:08 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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I had no appreciation for how conscious non animals were.




I feel terrible for all the plants I've terrorized and butchered with the lawn mower.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: GenericHero]
    #28113678 - 12/27/22 07:07 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Some posts here get me really concerned if I should continue taking mushrooms. Completely losing touch with reality isn't one of my life goals.:uhoh:


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: rocky_raccoon]
    #28113971 - 12/27/22 12:09 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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P.s time is still not the same for me as it used to be.

I used to be able to get so much done in a day just a year ago, but now I'm still going at the same pace, but the time just runs past me and the day is over.

For some reason It doesn't seem to effect my reality because I still can pay rent, and get everything done that needs to get done, and no one is telling me to hurry up or that I'm not getting enough done in the day, but it's like, by the time I get my shoes on in the morning, it's already lunch time.

It's like the world's laws have changed but I'm the same.

You would think that people would notice that I'm coming into work and hour later and getting half as much done, but no one seems to notice or has ever said anything to me other than I'm doing a great job. It's like I'm the only one who noticed.

Also, I never know what day of the week it is, and I'll get up and wake everyone up for school or work and it's Saturday, or I'll think it's Friday and it's only Tuesday.

That happens all the time, and never did before mushrooms.

I think I may have lost a day while tripping, or repeated a day, and that explains the identical trip, and would also put me a day behind the original timeline.

But who the fuck knows?

It hasn't seemed to affect my life or others, so I guess it's cool.

Obviously, I'm of a right mind, and know those things are impossible, but I'm just saying what I've observed. Regardless of the fact that I know I can't believe any of it is true.

It doesn't really make any difference in my life though, and I don't really think about it, or do anything about it, so everything is as it should be, but I would say it seems a little strange.

I haven't noticed any other strange things like that, but I really have had some strange new developments when it comes to time.

I know that when I was a kid, an hour long meeting, or something like that, would feel like three hours, and also as we get older, time seems to speed up. That stuff is normal for everyone, but I definitely don't think it's normal for the day to go by so fast as it started to after I did mushrooms.

I kinda think of it like how a turtle can't see an eagle fly past because it's brain doesn't process things that fast, but a hawk will see everything in slow motion.

Maybe the timing in my brain got thrown off. But instead of processing stuff slow like a turtle, I actually process it much faster now (than before) and have actually excelled in my job and am much more looked at as the go to guy when it's time to figure something out.




This is interesting...and somewhat concerning, even though it doesn't seem like it's been the cause of much trouble, for you. Time distortion sounds like it could be problematic.

Has anyone else experienced anything like this (not necessarily during a trip, but for a while afterwards)?

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Shroomsandstuff said:This is one of the things that worries me about trying mushrooms. I don't want to start believing in things in which I currently don't believe, as a result of hallucinations. It seems useful if one is near the end of his life, but that's not me.




Well…. What is God? Nobody knows and it’s deeply personal... [edited quote: I cut out a chunk here]

See what I’m trying to get at? I’m not necessarily a Christian. I will often say yes to avoid all this lol but I wouldn’t really say that I am. I typically say “God, The Universe, quantum field, energy…. whatever you want to call it. It doesn’t matter.”



Yea, I see what you mean. I wish there was a more uniform use of various terms like those, to make these kinds of discussions simpler and more efficient.

Personally, I use all of those terms to refer to different things:
god - an omnipotent/omniscient, intelligent being
the universe - "all existing matter and space considered as a whole; the cosmos"
quantum field - I don't use this term, because I don't know anything significantly useful about quantum physics, and I don't like to just create a definition for a word/term.
energy -"the capacity for doing work. It may exist in potential, kinetic, thermal, electrical, chemical, nuclear, or other various forms" / I don't use this to describe any sort of mystical/spiritual force

When people say things like "it's up to the universe", I'm usually curious if they think that there is some sort of intelligent force in play, or if they literally just mean that nature will take its course.

For instance, I don't believe that you can literally ask the universe for things, unlike what is taught in "The Secret", or by a lot of people who talk about "manifestation". I think you can use visualization to help align your actions with your goal, so you can achieve it in the future, but I don't think that the act of visualizing yourself with a boat, in and of itself, will somehow attract a boat into your life.

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I had no appreciation for how conscious non animals were. The lack of education in the scientific community wasn't so obvious before.



This is interesting. Are you referring to plants/fungi/other living organisms, or to everything? I ask because I've heard people speak about sensing some sort of consciousness or life force present in inanimate objects, while on psychedelics. 
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I feel sorry for those who can't handle them. I think they're going to hell and the mushroom exposes it to them. Sometimes people are already in hell and they make it out and others never ascend. Dude was my friend before he turned Israel spy and he felt so ashamed at how he betrayed me, he kept asking me if he should cut his finger off.



When you say "hell", do you mean in the biblical sense, or in the sense of just having a miserable life, here, on Earth.

Either way, did you always hold such beliefs, or did psychedelics influence them?
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as for the post that said they're afraid of hallucinations causing belief in something... if you go through a true psychedelic experience, you may realize you were "believing" in a non pure way. or, what you believe in now will only be reinforced. or, that you need to shift your beliefs. in a good way. or that you're clinging to a material world / ego which was by no fault of your own or necessarily your teachers, taught to you.

and yeah, i think jesus and all his deciples were trip'n balls AF. literally EVERY religion has psychedelic art. visions. why can't they all be saying the same thing, just in different languages and metaphors/perceptions of different cultural and environmental stimuli? while passing elements of the previous dominant belief system down the line?



That's an interesting perspective. 

I suspect that a lot of religions/spiritual beliefs are based on people's psychedelic experiences, too.

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Some posts here get me really concerned if I should continue taking mushrooms. Completely losing touch with reality isn't one of my life goals.:uhoh:



Lol
Yea, loss of touch with reality is something that concerns me, as well. Despite all of the things that I think psychedelics, particularly mushrooms, can help with, I don't consider the benefits to be worth losing any sort of connection with reality.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Shroomsandstuff]
    #28114025 - 12/27/22 01:05 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I’m a person who was concerned with a loss of reality.  I had the time experiences that Sub-Easy had before mushrooms. Is has not gotten any worse, but I have gotten better at my job (I’m a research scientist making >$200k) and better at being relaxed about doing less.

I do the same amount of work as I always have. I’m more efficient at it. Procrastinating less due to anxiety, and getting more done in less time all since the mushrooms came in. My grasp on reality seems fine still. My friends, family and colleagues all think I am better now than before mushrooms. Not all of them know about them, but they have notions remarked on it.

I’ve also gotten promoted to a leadership role since starting with them, and am looking at another promotion at my next performance review with a substantial raise compared to the last one. So from those perspectives I’d say the mushrooms have been worth the investment of time and resources.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: rocky_raccoon] * 1
    #28115297 - 12/28/22 03:58 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

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Some posts here get me really concerned if I should continue taking mushrooms. Completely losing touch with reality isn't one of my life goals.:uhoh:




After smoking DMT a few times back to back since my last reply…. Wtf is reality? Are you losing touch or are you gaining a new perspective? Who regulates the response/experience and determines what is real or not, in touch out of touch, etc….?

I have zero fear of literally going crazy. I’m happily married with 3 children and a business owner. My wife tolerates my attempts to explain what happened… It expands consciousness in my experience. I now have the curiosity of a cat times 100.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: PancyanterA]
    #28115518 - 12/28/22 06:47 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Some people prefer to take the blue pill :shrug:


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: PancyanterA]
    #28115644 - 12/28/22 08:19 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

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I’m a research scientist...



It's curious how common we see people with science and medical careers in this forum. I don't know for sure, but it seems like a pattern.

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I have zero fear of literally going crazy.



More DMT will cure you of that. :tongue2:


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: PancyanterA]
    #28115695 - 12/28/22 08:42 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

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PancyanterA said:Wtf is reality? Are you losing touch or are you gaining a new perspective? Who regulates the response/experience and determines what is real or not, in touch out of touch, etc….?



This is discussed pretty interestingly in my other thread: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28031713/fpart/1/vc/1

In my opinion, the "who" which determines what is real/not, and what is in touch/out of touch with reality, is the sober population that experiences things that are objectively the same (or as close to the same as we can get, given natural, slight perceptual differences), and/or the person/population who can support his/its claim(s) via repeatable testing.

For instance, if there are 10 sober people in a room, and they all can observe that a a statue is motionless (which is also a testable claim), and one person who took a drug claims that it is dancing or swaying, I would side with the claims made by the 10 sober people over the one person who's on drugs. If the drug consumer's claim can be proven via testing, that's a different story, but his experiencing it, alone, while under the influence of a chemical(s) that affects perception, is less convincing.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Shroomsandstuff]
    #28115798 - 12/28/22 10:03 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Rocky_raccoon, you might feel better if you spend enough time learning about all of the negative things that bother you.

It's usually like a bell curve.

If you don't know anything, then it's unsettling, and then once you start learning and looking into stuff, it really gets unsettling the more you find out, but after you have looked enough into everything, then it gets much easier to not be so uneasy about everything going on.

For one, it forces you to make up your mind and make the hard judgements to settle how you feel about a thing.

And for another, you realize that allot of it is just how it's always been, or allot of it is bullshit that is just being made up or spun into something that it really isn't.

But once you know enough to be able to make a judgement on something, and feel confident in where you stand on an issue, based on actually understanding all aspects and points of view, then you are able to make peace with it.

It's different than being ignorant, or indifferent.

It's actually feeling comfort in mastering the problem in your own understanding.

Not saying you don't do that already, but the world can be ugly until you are able to find a way to come to terms with it through seeing the whole picture and forming your own opinions on it.

Even if you come to the decision to drop the bombs, at least you will feel like you have a plan and control over how to respond, rather than just feeling helpless and afraid, and confused or unsure.

But that was just a side note.

What I came to say was, my younger brother used to be extremely racist.

I wasn't around so I don't know what influence he had to get that way and wasn't aware he felt that way. But he told me about it later when we got back in touch.

It's strange, because no one in my family is racist, and we were taught not to be, plus my grandma would give us black baby dolls and stuff like that, just to teach us not to be.

But somehow he ended up extremely racist, as I've been told, and he said psychedelics completely changed him.

Unfortunately, he is now, anti racist just as bad, and has been known to knock more than one person out for acting racist in his company.

So, I guess that's not too good ether, but what can you do.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #28115831 - 12/28/22 10:37 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

I don't know if they changed me


Mushrooms always just make me want to do good
Do good for everybody and for life
They always had that effect where that's that

You can't change things you can't control


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Purple sunset]
    #28115993 - 12/29/22 05:32 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

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I’m a person who was concerned with a loss of reality.  I had the time experiences that Sub-Easy had before mushrooms. Is has not gotten any worse, but I have gotten better at my job (I’m a research scientist making >$200k) and better at being relaxed about doing less.





This is reassuring, thanks for sharing!


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In my opinion, the "who" which determines what is real/not, and what is in touch/out of touch with reality, is the sober population that experiences things that are objectively the same (or as close to the same as we can get, given natural, slight perceptual differences), and/or the person/population who can support his/its claim(s) via repeatable testing.





I agree with everything you wrote. Reality is a concept shared and defined by a group of people that are experiencing more or less the same. So what I believe to be real is also shaped by others. But the basis of "reality" is how the outside world is perceived via my senses and how it reflects on my neuronal circuitry. Our brains are creating reality by connecting, interpreting and evaluating input.


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And for another, you realize that allot of it is just how it's always been, or allot of it is bullshit that is just being made up or spun into something that it really isn't.

But once you know enough to be able to make a judgement on something, and feel confident in where you stand on an issue, based on actually understanding all aspects and points of view, then you are able to make peace with it.





I think this is exactly what I was looking for when I started my mushroom journey. Being able to accept what at first sight seems unbearable. I was so caught up in my depression and anxiety, feeling helpless and alone, unable to see the good things because they were overshadowed by the black clouds of the future.
I am getting better now and I think the mushrooms are helping me to rethink, restart and go on with my live.


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You can't change things you can't control




Very very true.

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts on the topic!


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: rocky_raccoon]
    #28116096 - 12/29/22 08:28 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

Rocky_racoone, regarding your comment on the quote from shroomsandstuff, that it a big part of it.

We assume that we all can say what is real by the fact that other people agree it is real, but one of the ways shrooms change you is that they open your mind to breaking the notions you have created in your mind.

Some could say that they make you loose your mind, and some could say that you are crazy and they make you not crazy anymore.

You assume that others are seeing the things you see in the same way as you do and that proves that they are reality, but in truth, other people don't see things at all the same as each other and that is the evidence that nothing is real.

That's one of the main reasons that shrooms are good medicine for people having problems dealing with life.

I know from my own personal experience with shrooms, that how you so strongly believe everything to be, can completely be found to be just a creation of your own mind.

They do change you, but they change you by letting you descover that the world you created, or really, how you view the world, was crazy to begin with.

It seems to yourself like you might have lost your mind at first, but when you find it, I think that most people come through it with a more accurate way of seeing the world and reality.

Kinda like my brother.

Who knows what ideas or points of view made him have such a strong belief that would make him racist, but I'm sure it was his reality and to him, that was how the world was and everyone else could see the world the same as him if they wanted.

But in truth, no one sees the world correctly as how it truly is because we are all looking at it through different filters that our minds create.

I think mushrooms get rid of the filters, or at least soften them long enough so you can be free of them long enough to create new, and I would say, more accurate filters.

That's why so many have such good results from them.

They take you out of your own crazy mind, and give you the option to change it if you want to.

I don't look at things at all like I used to, but I think I see them more accurately now.

It's the same for all of us.

We don't see reality the same, and if you could take the filters out of one person's brain and put them into yours, then even though we assume that we all are looking at the same thing, then you would see that they don't see it the same as you do at all.

You can put a hillbilly in trump Tower and he will see the world like a hillbilly in trump Tower, but if you put Donald trump's filters in his brain, then it would look very different when looking through those glasses.

The person and place haven't changed, only how someone sees it has.

Nurture is much more powerful than nature, and I believe that we are all just prisoners in our own creation.

LSD is the key....... hippies


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #28116201 - 12/29/22 10:42 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

I truly enjoy this website lol

One of my deepest curiosities now and questioning reality is more so based on what don’t we know that is as real and true as what we termed gravity? Argue all you want. Step off the ledge… you fall.

There’s some really cool theories on how pyramids and other insane stone structures were built. Theories because we don’t have a clue. Supposedly so much more modern so much more knowledgeable, but we can’t answer how these structures were built.

We can’t know what we don’t know, and we can only know what we know. Which has been wrong before on various topics, accepted by most of society at the time, and it’s safe to assume we currently are and will be wrong again and again. With limitless discoveries awaiting.

Sorry if going off topic but I’ll say again back on topic, absolutely mushrooms have changed me for the better. Mushrooms and now dmt both.

DMT didn’t really feel like anything. Didn’t meet any deities. No revelations or telepathy. But I can’t stop thinking about those twisting evolving perfect colors and shapes that had a hypnotic presence. I feel beyond privileged to have had the honor to witness it. Now it has me wondering if it does mean something that we don’t know. It has that curiosity maxed out. It feels like it was so much deeper than just pretty colors and shapes. Did that have some sort of affect or mental impact?

Seems to me to be deeper than brief entertainment. My logic brain says no it was just pretty hallucinations. But I can’t shake it.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: PancyanterA]
    #28116561 - 12/29/22 05:27 PM (1 year, 29 days ago)

Many of us are geared towards always experiencing the unknown, or try to figure out something we don't understand.

We spend so much time learning and working out problems, and we injoy it.

The next moment is always a treat that we are looking forward to, because it reveling the unknown.

Just like how you can't wait to turn the page and see what comes next, or how you are so curious of how the movie will end and what is going to happen next.

One could say that this is the greatest pleasure about life, just looking forward to what will come in the next moment, or even imagining the future, and how this simple thing can make us feel good.

Just waiting for what comes next makes us happy.

So it's no wonder that we love the trip so much, and we love trying to untangle the mystery, even if we have to believe the impossible just to get the joy of contemplating the possibilities.

Novelty is a gift to us, and it's what we spend most of our lives seeking from one moment to the next, and one idea or understanding to the next, and that is important for us to do, in order to build a map of reality in our minds.

The map is always expanding and being tested and corrected, so of course mushrooms are going to change you, because they add so much to the map, and they add it because they offer novelty and allow you to find the next moment to be a place you could hardly dream of or imagine, and also they give you so many new mysteries to unravel about yourself, the nature of reality, and the greatly expanded possibilities of the unknown.

What a strange new realm to add to the map you are creating of reality with every new moment and piece of information. Moments leave the realms that lie forward in time, and becomes the realm that is you and all you have seen and collected to yourself.

Of course mushrooms change you. How could they not?


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #28116918 - 12/29/22 10:12 PM (1 year, 29 days ago)

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You assume that others are seeing the things you see in the same way as you do and that proves that they are reality, but in truth, other people don't see things at all the same as each other and that is the evidence that nothing is real.

But in truth, no one sees the world correctly as how it truly is because we are all looking at it through different filters that our minds create.





It is easy to prove that we see the world as it is. Also that we perceive  the real world the same as others unless you have a mental or a physical disorder.

If the city you live in has red double decker buses with a 16 liter V8. We can prove that this object, the bus, is red is a bus and is propelled by a certain type of engine. We do not see or interact with the world because we have filters that may let us interpret reality in a form other than it is.

We can measure the wave length of a colour, and we know that the our cones pass that information to our brains. Unless you have a disorder, we can see that colour as our brain translates that wave length. You could attempt to argue over the brains interpretation of the wave length but we all know what red is unless you are visually impaired some how. 

If we view the world differently because of filters then it would be impossible to describe a red bus on route 6. But we are able to do that reliably to others unless they have a mental disorder of some degree.

Our minds do not create filters but rather interprets input from the surrounding environment. That could be colour, pain, sound, these things are not unique to each individuals interpretation of reality.

On the other hand consuming a drug can alter the the interpretation of input.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28117047 - 12/30/22 02:56 AM (1 year, 28 days ago)

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It is easy to prove that we see the world as it is. Also that we perceive  the real world the same as others unless you have a mental or a physical disorder.




I think I agree with pretty much everything you said except this Kiwi89. It certainly isn’t easy to prove this, and currently no one has proven this, in fact I think it would be more accurate to suggest science has proven the opposite, that we don’t see the world as it truly is. Instead, we do see the world through interpretation machines that have evolved to interpret certain stimuli in certain ways. Ways in which make it easier for us to survive on the African savanna.

I think it’s also very plausible that we all have completely different conscious experiences of the same stimuli, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

Sub_easy, I don’t think it’s at all safe to assume that psychedelic drugs “remove a filter”. I think all we know is that these substances just change the way your interpretation machine operates.

I suppose it’s plausible though that these drugs may make our conscious experience closer to the truth of reality in certain aspects of experience, I certainly can’t rule that out,  but I’d be very, very skeptical about thinking that.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28117048 - 12/30/22 02:58 AM (1 year, 28 days ago)

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If we view the world differently because of filters then it would be impossible to describe a red bus on route 6.




I disagree.

If you asked twenty people to describe a red bus on route 6, then you would get twenty different descriptions.

Not just because of what parts they looked at, but also in how they perceived it, and what feeling went along with their perceptions.

There are countless way to see how and why each person would see it differently and also remember it differently.

You can even see your own living room differently from one moment to the next, just by changing the smallest thing.

It will look clean because you aren't paying attention to it one minute, then the power goes out, it gets hot and humid, the smells get stronger because of stagnant hot air, and you are sitting around with nothing to distract you so you are paying more attention to the room as you sit there and stare at the wall with nothing to do but think, and all of a sudden your house looks dirty and smelly and uncomfortable, or just gross, but earlier it looked fine with the power on and everything running.

But that's not the point I was making.

My point was, for a kid looking at a Santa Claus and lights and decorations in a yard, time slows down and Santa looks magical, and the kid is transported to a place that is so different than he is using to seeing and the memory is a treasure that he takes with him for life, but the parents are just cold, looking at a cheap $10.99 plastic Santa and noticing that half the lights are burnt out on the bushes, leaving a dark patch in the middle and they move on in a few minutes, while the kids feels like he has been there for a long time taking in the magic, and never even thinking about the cold. Just his idea of how great it is, is more than enough keep him warm

One person thinks they are showing off. One person thinks they have brought them that Christmas feeling and are so lost in the moment. One person thinks it looks tacky and one thinks it looks amazing. One person wants to throw bricks through the window because it reminds them of something and is a trigger for their trauma, and one person feels like their faith in humanity is saved because their own trauma has made them see only negative, and now they feel like there is hope and beauty in the world because how can it all be bad when we still have Christmas and people are still putting up such beautiful decorations for the neighborhood.

Same thing goes for the red bus on route 6. Who you are, determines how you see the bus, and your eyes, or the stimulation from particle waves, has very little to do with how you will experience it, and has everything to do with the filters you have developed to interpret the world. Even the way you see the color of the bus can change, depending on mood, or mind set.

If you're parents were killed in front of your eyes and you were burnt over half of your body in a bus accident, then you might be too busy shiting your parents to even look at the bus, much less, notice what color it is, and you definitely won't see the friendly highway like the people in the RV taking their summer vacation with the family would. All you would see is danger, and how close the bumper of the car in front of you is, and be constantly pushing on an imaginary break while you lecture the drive about how they are driving.

Two very different views of the reality of the road, based on the filter that burning alive in a red bus will leave you with for the rest of your life.

It reminds me of the time I went through Texas on a bus.

I was sleeping, and the bus had driven through the night and gotten into Texas.

I always thought of Texas as a dry, dusty place, with tumbleweeds like you see in the movies.

So when I woke up on the bus, and the driver said we were in Texas, and to get out if we wanted to, while we had a short break in the trip, I looked out the window and it looked just like I always imagined it would look.

Everything had a brown color and it was hot and looked dusty.

It looked just like how I had seen it in movies.

And I really thought that's how it really looked, until I stepped off the bus and realized that the windows had just gotten covered in brown dust during the night, and it was actually green and lush just like everywhere else.

But I really thought to myself, "wow, this is Texas, and it's just like I thought it would be".🤣

So many filters.

Some are covered in dust, and some are bright and shiny.

Not a single person will see the bus the same way, and no one is imagining the bus you are talking about the same way, as they read your comments.

Because some people imagine busses are shiny red and brand-new and others see beat up old rusty ones because that's all they ever knew.

And how you imagine a red bus says allot about how you see the world and what you have experience in life.

That's how mushrooms can change your reality, because you are seeing everything through the dusty window of an old, bumpy bus, if that is all you have ever known, so you base your idea of what the world is according to what you have known, and it colors all of what you experience and how you think things really are.

But that point of view has nothing to do with reality, and everything to do with how your experience has reinforced how you view everything.

We don't even behave around people we know based on our experience with that person, but rather, we base how we feel about that person, and how we act around them based on how our filters have been created.

You can be nervous, and feel judged around a very nice person who would never judge you badly, and all that anxiety is coming from a relationship you might have had ten years ago and have seen everyone as a threat to your ego ever since.

The mushrooms can break you out from behind dusty glass and let you see the world in a different way and you might question if anything you believe is actually how it is.

You might start thinking there is more out there than just your front porch, and you might actually find the bravery to go out and see it once you are freed from all your ideas of who you are and how the world must surly be.

Things like depression, or feeling like a victim, PTSD, and drug addiction are all ways that will change how you see reality compared to someone else, and I hear that mushrooms are good for stuff like that.

Just experiencing depression for the first time in your life will dramatically change how you see everything from how you did before, and if you are set free from that, even for a short time, then reality will become something very different than what it has become after the depression started.

Colors are brighter, a red bus suddenly looks very different, and the world becomes a beautiful place again, instead of a hell that you struggle to get through with your head down and just going through the motions, rather than experiencing every moment as it comes to you.

I never walk through the same grocery store that I did the day before, and it always looks different and feels different, depending on my state of mind.

The same fat checkout girl can look pretty one day and ugly the next, depending on my mood and her mood.

But those are the small fluctuations that we all experience and don't really think about or notice.

What I am talking about are the big changes in your point of view.

Mushrooms can give you a chance to make big changes in how you see reality.

It's as simple as changing how you see yourself, and what role you believe you are supposed to be playing in life.

I'm a big believer in us putting on the metaphorical clothing that matches who we think we are.

A construction worker can go to work in a suit if he wants to, but he can't change the lifetime of beliefs he has picked up through his idea of who he is.

He will always be inspired by the story of John Henry, much more than the story of Steve Jobs, and only because he believes that he must take on that reality, to make it through life.

But he can put down a sledge hammer and pick up a laptop just as easy as changing his clothes.

But what self respecting, hard working, tough as nails man, who would rather die than let a steam powered drill beat him at his own job, be caught dead in a salmon colored vest with shiny shoes and a laptop?

Doesn't mean he can't do it, but his filters stop him from ever seeing himself in that world, and he could never look at it the same as the guy working in the office would.

But I know for a fact that mushrooms could change all that for him, because he might realize that he is more than what his filters have taught him to believe he is, and reality is just something they have created all around him.

He might actually start to question why he believes he would look better in camouflage, than salmon pink.

He might actually see that red bus heading out of town on route 6 as a shiny new magic bus that will take him to his new life, rather than just a rusty old noisy thing that blows dust in his eyes when it passes by every Friday.

I promise you that those two buss look very different, even though it's always been red no matter who is looking at it.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Bardy]
    #28117114 - 12/30/22 05:28 AM (1 year, 28 days ago)

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Sub_easy, I don’t think it’s at all safe to assume that psychedelic drugs “remove a filter”. I think all we know is that these substances just change the way your interpretation machine operates.





I should define "filter" better.

I use the word to describe a few different things.

Copping mechanisms is one.

It's best to just use my own experience to explain, because it's what I understand.

I have always been easy going, and played dumb, the class clown, acted dumber than I am and took a subordinate position and self deprecating.

Never plushy, insistent, dominating.

Always the sidekick and never the superhero.

I imagine I got lead down the path to adopting that attitude because my dad was always putting other people's ideas down and of course he always knew better than everyone else because he is beyond the intelligence level of anyone I've ever heard of.

He already designed a better battery than Tesla and designs, and sells designs for aircraft and amplifiers to big corporations and famous rock bands.

But, to a kid, it doesn't matter if you are right, you still have to let them believe that they have good ideas, and not make them feel like everything they do is the wrong way.

So I believe I learned to not challenge people and to just act dumb so I wouldn't be rejected or put in a position where I could be judged for making mistakes.

I told myself that everyone was so smart and knew what they were doing and had all the answers and I just kept my mouth shut.

That is a coping mechanism, and that is a filter.

It colors how you see yourself in relation to the rest of the world, and how you see others, even if it's not the truth.

But it protects you against the fear of rejection.

Is becomes a form of maladaptive behavior.

And that's a second filter.

Maladaptive behavior is a big part of mental illness.

If you behave the same way, no matter what situation you are in, and you can't change your behavior to meet the situation, then that's not good.

Maladaptive behavior is a big filter.

You can only see the world through those two filters by changing HOW you see the world.

You have to learn to lie to yourself, because you have to create a false view of the world in order to make your own inability to adapt to changing situations, be something you can live with.

Otherwise you would have to blame yourself for all the ways that you can't get along in the world.

"It's not me that is broken, it's the world that is the problem"

All of us live in total denial.

Some more than others.

Another filter to combat those problems is to adopt a persona.

If you can't have a fluid persona, that changes with the situation, because you have a coping mechanism that keeps you from fully engaging every aspect of the situation, like sticking up for yourself for insurance, then you have to adopt a persona that you think everyone will like.

Your a joker, or a giver, or a scapegoat or easy to take advantage of.

So if you are choose to let people take advantage of you, because you want to be accepted, then you have to add another filter.

Now you have to see people as trustworthy, or worthy of putting yourself in a vulnerable position and trusting that people are good and won't take advantage of your kindness.

So you have added another filter, and you must add more to reinforce that one when it goes wrong.

You add the belief that you are always ready to forgive.

Another filter like people are good and smart but just make mistakes.

Then you may become resentful because people keep letting you down and taking advantage of you.

So you add another filter.

You see the world as a place that you can give advice, or comfort, or help others, but the world must have strict rules that everyone has to follow or you can't have anything to do with them because they are no longer worthy if they break any of those rules.

Now you're filters are making you judgmental and discarding groups of people based on how they behave or who they associate with.

Ritch people are causing it, young people are trouble, people who do drugs are no good.

Meanwhile, the coping mechanism that used to work for you when you were young, stops working, because you want people to accept you and avoid conflict, but you are older and haven't developed the tools to deal with conflict, because you just role over and play dumb all the time, and that's fine for a young person, but then no one likes you, because they can't trust themselves to not take advantage of you, because you make it so easy, then instead of confronting them and building understanding and boundaries, you just put them in the category with the bad people, because your filter allows you to see the world as divided, good or bad people, and pretty soon everyone is a bad person, because you keep adding filters to describe them in your view of reality.

Meanwhile, they feel bad being around you because you encouraged people's natural behavior of being a little greedy and taking advantage help, and they can't have a resolution and set it right with you because you don't do confrontation, and then you disappear because you decide they are one of the bad ones.

So now, everyone is on the other side of the bad filter, no one trusts you to work through difficult challenges and stick with it, and you have to add another filter to deal with that.

So you see the world as a place where you will only do what you can, as long as you are left alone to do it, and you have to add another filter that you are good at this one thing, but just can't figure out how to do that other thing, because you are stupid and you also don't like people because they are difficult and judgemental.


So you get really good at that one thing, and everyone says you are great at it, so that becomes who you think you are by adding another filter to see yourself as a specialist, who only has to do that one thing, and everyone respects you.

But in reality, they don't trust you, you are letting the team down because you won't work outside of your specialty, people don't feel comfortable around you because you are stubborn, they can't trust themselves around you, they always feel like any conflict that comes up is never resolved and they can only interact with you on a shallow level because it's clear that you believe that people are bad and have a attitude about them judging you when they offer any advice or criticism.

But you just look out through your filters and see a reality that you must always let people know not to mess with you and that you can be friendly to people, but never be their friend, and you have found a place in life where you are good at one thing, and that is what defines you as a success in life, so you have to keep being that one thing and put on the persona of a person who is a master of it.

But in reality, you have become completely maladaptive because you created a false view of the world to match your need to not support your need to not feel like you are always wrong, and everyone is just going to hurt you if you express yourself and your ideas.

Then you take shrooms, and wake up the next day and your social anxiety is gone, and you are no longer afraid of everything, and you feel like you finally want to open up to people and take control of situations and that you actually have something to offer and it's not all the other people that know everything, because they were the assholes and fuckups, not you.

Then you start to accept that people are fuckups and you don't forgive them because you have to in order to make them like you, but you can forgive them because they are just people, and you have to actually give them the chance to fight you by having confidence in yourself enough to handle the possibility that you will say something they won't like but you also have to trust that they will be willing to accept how you feel, even if you are wrong, and you will keep the door open to them even if they are wrong, but you work it out because you are not afraid of rejection because that old lifelong, and outdated coping mechanism is suddenly gone, and you don't have to hide behind filters and denial, and holding up a false reality around you that was only created to hide you from what you were so afraid of.

So, that's just a little part of of a much bigger false reality that you live in, and there are many more pieces of the rest of it, but even coming to turms with one small, but extremely powerful piece of your whole reality while, or after you do shrooms, can really have a big domino effect in freeing you from the false reality that you create for yourself.

If it breaks down one important piece of what has helped to create your reality and hold it all up, and in doing so, opens a world of new possibilities you are willing to try, so you become much more willing to adapt to different situations and let go of strongly held beliefs and open yourself to the possibility that you could be wrong in how you see the world, and that opens new doors into places you would normally never allow yourself to be part of, and new ideas that your fragile reality could not accept or handle the intrusion in the face of what you felt like you had to hold true to as an integral part of who you viewed yourself to be....

I got lost....

Anyway, a lot of it probably has to do with ego death, because it's a big shock to people when they realize that they are more than just how they see themselves.

You are still you, and you still have all the skills and knowledge you have collected, but you realize that you are not the person who you have told yourself you were.

You are more than your self image, and you have created yourself around a frame, like a shell made of all the things you believe yourself to be, but in reality, you are only what you tell yourself you are, and you have built a reality around yourself that is only meant to be used as a convenient way to reassure you that the person you believe yourself to be, won't be damaged or destroyed.

Your outer reality reinforces your inner reality, and your inner reality creates it for that purpose.

How you see the world is meant to protect the integrity of who you tell yourself that you are, and who you tell yourself that you are, will greatly influence how you see the world.

You can always keep the prices after the mushrooms and choose to put them all back in the same place, or you can use what you need, and add new pieces from your access to the world you can see after the filters are no longer trapping you behind them.

It's like lifting the vail from your own mind, and realizing that there is a wizard, who is really just a fraudster, actually running the machine, and you don't have to be fooled by what he is showing you anymore.

You get a chance at the controls.


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