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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Tucky]
    #28098974 - 12/15/22 03:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I think it's unpopular to talk about any crazy ideas you have come up with because of mushrooms because people want to think of them as not being able to actually change you, and only want to believe that they help you change yourself.

Of course I have never been popular with people anyway other than they like me because I'm a caring person and work to create a good environment rather than cause people trouble.

But my ideas are not well received by most anyway.

Regardless, I get the feeling that people don't want to be reminded of their own madness.

In dealing with mushrooms, I like to approach creative ideas playfully, rather than seriously, so I'm comfortable in delving into madness, and you can find some truth among the madness that is helpful, but most of it is just a place to visit rather than live in.

Here is a good video to explain how mushrooms open your mind, but in a more down to earth explanation.

Just like how people rely on faith to gain something binifitial out of religion or spirituality, I also like to put a little faith in the possibility of the unknown, but it's just a hope rather than a conviction.

This link is helpful in understand the relationship between the possibility of mushrooms, and the reality of them.

It might help you understand why they can cause long term changes, and why they are helpful in delving into madness as well.

Madness is after all the place where we spend most of our lives.



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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Blue Cthulhu] * 2
    #28108643 - 12/22/22 12:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I have seen an individual on here wanting volunteers for a study on microdoseing and gut health. I'm surprised that they weren't interested in me, but I never had a chance to tell them my experience with regular size dosing (I don't microdose)

I could be crazy and say that the little creatures in our guts are affected by the drug and maybe they are tripping or getting in touch with communication with a universal language that most living thing speak with. Like how trees speak with other trees through the fungus. Look it up if you don't know what I'm talking about. (It's real PROVEN science)

Or there could be a simple explanation.

But I have always gotten low blood sugar my whole life.(not from pot. I don't drink or smoke pot, or do drugs) It's not very bad for your health, and is actually the only harmful thing that marijuana does to people, but is pretty harmless in itself. Most of you will be familiar with it if you smoke pot, (I've definitely done it a bit, but it's not for me) but the only part that is a little hard on your body over time is when you eat allot of sugar (because pot causes low blood sugar, so your body wants you to eat (the munchies)) and if you eat allot of sugar, it will cause a pike in your blood sugar, and it's the strong fluctuation that is hard on your body. But it's not that bad for you.

(Just low blood sugar from smoking pot will not hurt you as long as you don't eat allot of sugar and cause a rapid spike. It's the spike that is hard on the body. I don't want to give any wrong ideas about smoking pot)

Anyway, I have always gotten low blood sugar, and would wake up in the middle of the night and crave candy and stuff, and on a long day at work I wouldn't eat because it slows you down to eat while working and you also don't digest well when you are active. (It's all medical science if you don't know about what I'm talking about) so I would get disoriented and really irritable from low blood sugar.

I could recognize the symptoms easy, because it's been like that since I was at least a teen.

After the mushrooms, it INSTANTLY went away COMPLETELY, and has NEVER returned.

I also stopped eating sugar like I used to, but still do a little.

I don't know if I stopped craving sugar because my low blood sugar went away, or if my low blood sugar went away because I stopped eating allot of sugar and my body heald it's self.

But I don't think my body heald itself of whatever was causing the low blood sugar because it happened overnight.

It's much more likely that the mushrooms cured me in the most miraculous way, from my lifelong health issue.

Haven't had low blood sugar once in almost a year now. It used to be almost daily, and I haven't woken up in the middle of the night with a ravenous craving for sugar ether. That was at least a couple times a week, and I don't ever go to the kitchen in the middle of the night anymore.

It stopped, on the spot, the very day, the first time I did mushrooms.

You tell me!

So, obviously something is going on with that, and I'm surprised I haven't heard other stories about this.

Also, it made me want to eat more healthy anyway and helped me to be in better touch with my body and any health problems, and what might be causing them.

I've always liked to eat healthy, but now I crave healthy food and am turning off by unhealthy food and even smoking cigarettes, even though I'm still addicted.

It all happened overnight.

Anyone else have a real miracle happen as far as health.

Like instant change kind of thing?

I know they help with addiction, but I'm interested in things like instant curing of a health issue.

Miracle kind of stuff like I had.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: PancyanterA] * 1
    #28108759 - 12/22/22 01:37 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

You said plenty brother (or sister).

I couldn't have said it better myself, and indeed I couldn't say it at all now.

I once understood what you said too, and held onto it for a good long time, but as time goes by, I've  forgotten that "truth ?"

I think you would be good at writing the novel, as you have done such a good job at articulating it here.

I'm sure many of us thought we could write a novel as the cosmic download was in progress, and even though I'm aware of thoughts sounding really good while you are high, and not so much after, I think that if you could give an accurate translation of the information, it would not be just addled jumbled nonsense.

If you are lucky enough to even remember the full experience, then it's still hard to hold onto it after a few months or so.

That's my reason for commenting.

Do you think that because you were already on the path of understanding your mind, and spiritual/meditation practices, that you were able to hold onto the lesson so well, or is it just that you tripped recently?

I remember that I once gave a very detailed trip report on here, and then two days later, or it might have been the next day, I gave the exact same trip report, but for two different trips

I had no idea I had done that, and only found out because I later came across my first trip report.

It freaked me out to see I had written the same thing, but I was describing two different trips, and after that I was able to remember my trips, and realize that I was experiencing a tremendous amount of things while tripping that I had no recollection of after.

Now, after realizing that, I can remember much more after the drug wears off.

For all I know, I still might be experiencing many things while tripping that I don't even know I am.

The strangest thing I think, is that you would think that I would remember writing the trip report the day before, because I was not tripping when I wrote it, but I had totally forgotten, and then wrote an identical report the next day, describing a totally different time tripping, and didn't even catch on until a few days later.

I had no idea I had done it, and I was sober both times.

It's very strange that I had the exact same trip, once on Saturday, and again on Sunday, but it's even stranger that I didn't know I had, even though I wrote a trip report for both times.

That realization really changed my trip game, and to this day, I still go to the same place in the beginning of my trips, and meet the same entities and I remember them, and they remember me, and we talk about things relating to the times before when I had met with them.

I even missed them for a while, and still do a lot, but I have forgotten much of what I learned.

Looks like you still remember.

I'm impressed.

P.s time is still not the same for me as it used to be.

I used to be able to get so much done in a day just a year ago, but now I'm still going at the same pace, but the time just runs past me and the day is over.

For some reason It doesn't seem to effect my reality because I still can pay rent, and get everything done that needs to get done, and no one is telling me to hurry up or that I'm not getting enough done in the day, but it's like, by the time I get my shoes on in the morning, it's already lunch time.

It's like the world's laws have changed but I'm the same.

You would think that people would notice that I'm coming into work and hour later and getting half as much done, but no one seems to notice or has ever said anything to me other than I'm doing a great job. It's like I'm the only one who noticed.

Also, I never know what day of the week it is, and I'll get up and wake everyone up for school or work and it's Saturday, or I'll think it's Friday and it's only Tuesday.

That happens all the time, and never did before mushrooms.

I think I may have lost a day while tripping, or repeated a day, and that explains the identical trip, and would also put me a day behind the original timeline.

But who the fuck knows?

It hasn't seemed to affect my life or others, so I guess it's cool.

Obviously, I'm of a right mind, and know those things are impossible, but I'm just saying what I've observed. Regardless of the fact that I know I can't believe any of it is true.

It doesn't really make any difference in my life though, and I don't really think about it, or do anything about it, so everything is as it should be, but I would say it seems a little strange.

I haven't noticed any other strange things like that, but I really have had some strange new developments when it comes to time.

I know that when I was a kid, an hour long meeting, or something like that, would feel like three hours, and also as we get older, time seems to speed up. That stuff is normal for everyone, but I definitely don't think it's normal for the day to go by so fast as it started to after I did mushrooms.

I kinda think of it like how a turtle can't see an eagle fly past because it's brain doesn't process things that fast, but a hawk will see everything in slow motion.

Maybe the timing in my brain got thrown off. But instead of processing stuff slow like a turtle, I actually process it much faster now (than before) and have actually excelled in my job and am much more looked at as the go to guy when it's time to figure something out.

It always blows my mind when the coustomer, the contractor, and my boss, turn and look at me to lay out the job and explain how it's all going to be designed. It was never like that before I did mushrooms, although I have always been able to picture the end result in my mind very quickly.

I keep telling them I'm just the plumber, but when I walk into an empty bathroom in a million dollar house and the coustomer only has a vision of what they want, but no one knows how to do it, so I get out the old tape measure, and start laying it out and going over a million options and what we have to do to make it work.

But they all seem really appreciative, and I only started to be able to do that after I did mushrooms.

Before that, I just did the water lines for five years, and didn't know anything else.

Less than a year later and I can do anything, and think circles around everyone.

Of course I always figured I could, but the mushrooms gave me the confidence to do it, and everyone just stepped out of my way.

I wondered my whole life why I was never allowed to be in charge, and couldn't understand what was so special about the leader, that everyone looked to him.

I think mushrooms just made me realize that people are full of shit, and none of them know anything, and that you just have to be a dick and take the lead and egnor their protests because they just act like they know everything but don't really know any more than you.

People will actually like you better if you are like that believe it or not.

I think it's because they trust you more when you are assertive rather than submissive and afraid of being confrontational.

I don't know.

All I know is that I tried really hard to be friendly and do what I thought would make people happy and I couldn't get anyone to include me, and now that I'm a dick, and do what I think is best, I can't get people to leave me the fuck alon, and everyone wants to be my buddy.

Go figure.

But you know that that is a very common example of how mushrooms work.

They make you fearless, and they help you cut through the bullshit and get to what is important in life and what are the true priorities.

They take you out of the mud that you have been taught to wallow in, and indeed have convinced yourself is your proper place in life, sloshing around in all the bullshit you have been told to believe about yourself, and playing the games others have taught you to play in order to scrape off a little from each other but never really stand on your own.

But be warned, that also comes with a whole other set of dangers.

You might be better off not knowing yourself, and just staying in the world you created to blind yourself from the truth, and continue to fulfill your role in someone else's games that they pay you so well to be a subordinate part of.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: jay.ach]
    #28109265 - 12/22/22 08:35 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I also noticed glossolalia as a side effect for a couple weeks after.

Just wanting to make noises that felt fun in my throat and kinda impulsive when I was feeling playful or had a nice thought.

I don't know if that's related to your wanting to sing or hum, but it was a strange, but pleasant, long lasting side effect.

I definitely get euphoric glossolalia when tripping.

Sometimes loud and prolonged glossolalia.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Sub-Easy]
    #28109296 - 12/22/22 09:19 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I'm not a practitioner of religion or spirituality, but I am a student of world religion and history, so of course I went in search of cultural knowledge that would explain the trip.

Obviously I have heard Ram Daas, and other more commonly accessible spiritual thinkers, but the "religious" beliefs alone are extremely enlightening, even without practicing them.

I like the spiritual study of the levels of self as relates to consciousness and dreaming, that are studied in Hinduism.

The idea of turiya, seems to be a well thought out philosophy.

But, there are so many great spiritual philosophies around the world that lend themselves to the trip world.




Obviously telepathy is hard to translate into words, but you can still remember the meaning of the information you are experiencing during a trip, and allot of the spiritual disciplines lend themselves nicely in parallel to the psychedelic experience.

So I can see how mushrooms could change a person who is already into spirituality in whatever form.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Shroomsandstuff]
    #28115798 - 12/28/22 10:03 PM (1 year, 30 days ago)

Rocky_raccoon, you might feel better if you spend enough time learning about all of the negative things that bother you.

It's usually like a bell curve.

If you don't know anything, then it's unsettling, and then once you start learning and looking into stuff, it really gets unsettling the more you find out, but after you have looked enough into everything, then it gets much easier to not be so uneasy about everything going on.

For one, it forces you to make up your mind and make the hard judgements to settle how you feel about a thing.

And for another, you realize that allot of it is just how it's always been, or allot of it is bullshit that is just being made up or spun into something that it really isn't.

But once you know enough to be able to make a judgement on something, and feel confident in where you stand on an issue, based on actually understanding all aspects and points of view, then you are able to make peace with it.

It's different than being ignorant, or indifferent.

It's actually feeling comfort in mastering the problem in your own understanding.

Not saying you don't do that already, but the world can be ugly until you are able to find a way to come to terms with it through seeing the whole picture and forming your own opinions on it.

Even if you come to the decision to drop the bombs, at least you will feel like you have a plan and control over how to respond, rather than just feeling helpless and afraid, and confused or unsure.

But that was just a side note.

What I came to say was, my younger brother used to be extremely racist.

I wasn't around so I don't know what influence he had to get that way and wasn't aware he felt that way. But he told me about it later when we got back in touch.

It's strange, because no one in my family is racist, and we were taught not to be, plus my grandma would give us black baby dolls and stuff like that, just to teach us not to be.

But somehow he ended up extremely racist, as I've been told, and he said psychedelics completely changed him.

Unfortunately, he is now, anti racist just as bad, and has been known to knock more than one person out for acting racist in his company.

So, I guess that's not too good ether, but what can you do.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: rocky_raccoon]
    #28116096 - 12/29/22 08:28 AM (1 year, 29 days ago)

Rocky_racoone, regarding your comment on the quote from shroomsandstuff, that it a big part of it.

We assume that we all can say what is real by the fact that other people agree it is real, but one of the ways shrooms change you is that they open your mind to breaking the notions you have created in your mind.

Some could say that they make you loose your mind, and some could say that you are crazy and they make you not crazy anymore.

You assume that others are seeing the things you see in the same way as you do and that proves that they are reality, but in truth, other people don't see things at all the same as each other and that is the evidence that nothing is real.

That's one of the main reasons that shrooms are good medicine for people having problems dealing with life.

I know from my own personal experience with shrooms, that how you so strongly believe everything to be, can completely be found to be just a creation of your own mind.

They do change you, but they change you by letting you descover that the world you created, or really, how you view the world, was crazy to begin with.

It seems to yourself like you might have lost your mind at first, but when you find it, I think that most people come through it with a more accurate way of seeing the world and reality.

Kinda like my brother.

Who knows what ideas or points of view made him have such a strong belief that would make him racist, but I'm sure it was his reality and to him, that was how the world was and everyone else could see the world the same as him if they wanted.

But in truth, no one sees the world correctly as how it truly is because we are all looking at it through different filters that our minds create.

I think mushrooms get rid of the filters, or at least soften them long enough so you can be free of them long enough to create new, and I would say, more accurate filters.

That's why so many have such good results from them.

They take you out of your own crazy mind, and give you the option to change it if you want to.

I don't look at things at all like I used to, but I think I see them more accurately now.

It's the same for all of us.

We don't see reality the same, and if you could take the filters out of one person's brain and put them into yours, then even though we assume that we all are looking at the same thing, then you would see that they don't see it the same as you do at all.

You can put a hillbilly in trump Tower and he will see the world like a hillbilly in trump Tower, but if you put Donald trump's filters in his brain, then it would look very different when looking through those glasses.

The person and place haven't changed, only how someone sees it has.

Nurture is much more powerful than nature, and I believe that we are all just prisoners in our own creation.

LSD is the key....... hippies


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: PancyanterA]
    #28116561 - 12/29/22 05:27 PM (1 year, 29 days ago)

Many of us are geared towards always experiencing the unknown, or try to figure out something we don't understand.

We spend so much time learning and working out problems, and we injoy it.

The next moment is always a treat that we are looking forward to, because it reveling the unknown.

Just like how you can't wait to turn the page and see what comes next, or how you are so curious of how the movie will end and what is going to happen next.

One could say that this is the greatest pleasure about life, just looking forward to what will come in the next moment, or even imagining the future, and how this simple thing can make us feel good.

Just waiting for what comes next makes us happy.

So it's no wonder that we love the trip so much, and we love trying to untangle the mystery, even if we have to believe the impossible just to get the joy of contemplating the possibilities.

Novelty is a gift to us, and it's what we spend most of our lives seeking from one moment to the next, and one idea or understanding to the next, and that is important for us to do, in order to build a map of reality in our minds.

The map is always expanding and being tested and corrected, so of course mushrooms are going to change you, because they add so much to the map, and they add it because they offer novelty and allow you to find the next moment to be a place you could hardly dream of or imagine, and also they give you so many new mysteries to unravel about yourself, the nature of reality, and the greatly expanded possibilities of the unknown.

What a strange new realm to add to the map you are creating of reality with every new moment and piece of information. Moments leave the realms that lie forward in time, and becomes the realm that is you and all you have seen and collected to yourself.

Of course mushrooms change you. How could they not?


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Kiwi89]
    #28117048 - 12/30/22 02:58 AM (1 year, 28 days ago)

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If we view the world differently because of filters then it would be impossible to describe a red bus on route 6.




I disagree.

If you asked twenty people to describe a red bus on route 6, then you would get twenty different descriptions.

Not just because of what parts they looked at, but also in how they perceived it, and what feeling went along with their perceptions.

There are countless way to see how and why each person would see it differently and also remember it differently.

You can even see your own living room differently from one moment to the next, just by changing the smallest thing.

It will look clean because you aren't paying attention to it one minute, then the power goes out, it gets hot and humid, the smells get stronger because of stagnant hot air, and you are sitting around with nothing to distract you so you are paying more attention to the room as you sit there and stare at the wall with nothing to do but think, and all of a sudden your house looks dirty and smelly and uncomfortable, or just gross, but earlier it looked fine with the power on and everything running.

But that's not the point I was making.

My point was, for a kid looking at a Santa Claus and lights and decorations in a yard, time slows down and Santa looks magical, and the kid is transported to a place that is so different than he is using to seeing and the memory is a treasure that he takes with him for life, but the parents are just cold, looking at a cheap $10.99 plastic Santa and noticing that half the lights are burnt out on the bushes, leaving a dark patch in the middle and they move on in a few minutes, while the kids feels like he has been there for a long time taking in the magic, and never even thinking about the cold. Just his idea of how great it is, is more than enough keep him warm

One person thinks they are showing off. One person thinks they have brought them that Christmas feeling and are so lost in the moment. One person thinks it looks tacky and one thinks it looks amazing. One person wants to throw bricks through the window because it reminds them of something and is a trigger for their trauma, and one person feels like their faith in humanity is saved because their own trauma has made them see only negative, and now they feel like there is hope and beauty in the world because how can it all be bad when we still have Christmas and people are still putting up such beautiful decorations for the neighborhood.

Same thing goes for the red bus on route 6. Who you are, determines how you see the bus, and your eyes, or the stimulation from particle waves, has very little to do with how you will experience it, and has everything to do with the filters you have developed to interpret the world. Even the way you see the color of the bus can change, depending on mood, or mind set.

If you're parents were killed in front of your eyes and you were burnt over half of your body in a bus accident, then you might be too busy shiting your parents to even look at the bus, much less, notice what color it is, and you definitely won't see the friendly highway like the people in the RV taking their summer vacation with the family would. All you would see is danger, and how close the bumper of the car in front of you is, and be constantly pushing on an imaginary break while you lecture the drive about how they are driving.

Two very different views of the reality of the road, based on the filter that burning alive in a red bus will leave you with for the rest of your life.

It reminds me of the time I went through Texas on a bus.

I was sleeping, and the bus had driven through the night and gotten into Texas.

I always thought of Texas as a dry, dusty place, with tumbleweeds like you see in the movies.

So when I woke up on the bus, and the driver said we were in Texas, and to get out if we wanted to, while we had a short break in the trip, I looked out the window and it looked just like I always imagined it would look.

Everything had a brown color and it was hot and looked dusty.

It looked just like how I had seen it in movies.

And I really thought that's how it really looked, until I stepped off the bus and realized that the windows had just gotten covered in brown dust during the night, and it was actually green and lush just like everywhere else.

But I really thought to myself, "wow, this is Texas, and it's just like I thought it would be".🤣

So many filters.

Some are covered in dust, and some are bright and shiny.

Not a single person will see the bus the same way, and no one is imagining the bus you are talking about the same way, as they read your comments.

Because some people imagine busses are shiny red and brand-new and others see beat up old rusty ones because that's all they ever knew.

And how you imagine a red bus says allot about how you see the world and what you have experience in life.

That's how mushrooms can change your reality, because you are seeing everything through the dusty window of an old, bumpy bus, if that is all you have ever known, so you base your idea of what the world is according to what you have known, and it colors all of what you experience and how you think things really are.

But that point of view has nothing to do with reality, and everything to do with how your experience has reinforced how you view everything.

We don't even behave around people we know based on our experience with that person, but rather, we base how we feel about that person, and how we act around them based on how our filters have been created.

You can be nervous, and feel judged around a very nice person who would never judge you badly, and all that anxiety is coming from a relationship you might have had ten years ago and have seen everyone as a threat to your ego ever since.

The mushrooms can break you out from behind dusty glass and let you see the world in a different way and you might question if anything you believe is actually how it is.

You might start thinking there is more out there than just your front porch, and you might actually find the bravery to go out and see it once you are freed from all your ideas of who you are and how the world must surly be.

Things like depression, or feeling like a victim, PTSD, and drug addiction are all ways that will change how you see reality compared to someone else, and I hear that mushrooms are good for stuff like that.

Just experiencing depression for the first time in your life will dramatically change how you see everything from how you did before, and if you are set free from that, even for a short time, then reality will become something very different than what it has become after the depression started.

Colors are brighter, a red bus suddenly looks very different, and the world becomes a beautiful place again, instead of a hell that you struggle to get through with your head down and just going through the motions, rather than experiencing every moment as it comes to you.

I never walk through the same grocery store that I did the day before, and it always looks different and feels different, depending on my state of mind.

The same fat checkout girl can look pretty one day and ugly the next, depending on my mood and her mood.

But those are the small fluctuations that we all experience and don't really think about or notice.

What I am talking about are the big changes in your point of view.

Mushrooms can give you a chance to make big changes in how you see reality.

It's as simple as changing how you see yourself, and what role you believe you are supposed to be playing in life.

I'm a big believer in us putting on the metaphorical clothing that matches who we think we are.

A construction worker can go to work in a suit if he wants to, but he can't change the lifetime of beliefs he has picked up through his idea of who he is.

He will always be inspired by the story of John Henry, much more than the story of Steve Jobs, and only because he believes that he must take on that reality, to make it through life.

But he can put down a sledge hammer and pick up a laptop just as easy as changing his clothes.

But what self respecting, hard working, tough as nails man, who would rather die than let a steam powered drill beat him at his own job, be caught dead in a salmon colored vest with shiny shoes and a laptop?

Doesn't mean he can't do it, but his filters stop him from ever seeing himself in that world, and he could never look at it the same as the guy working in the office would.

But I know for a fact that mushrooms could change all that for him, because he might realize that he is more than what his filters have taught him to believe he is, and reality is just something they have created all around him.

He might actually start to question why he believes he would look better in camouflage, than salmon pink.

He might actually see that red bus heading out of town on route 6 as a shiny new magic bus that will take him to his new life, rather than just a rusty old noisy thing that blows dust in his eyes when it passes by every Friday.

I promise you that those two buss look very different, even though it's always been red no matter who is looking at it.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Bardy]
    #28117114 - 12/30/22 05:28 AM (1 year, 28 days ago)

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Sub_easy, I don’t think it’s at all safe to assume that psychedelic drugs “remove a filter”. I think all we know is that these substances just change the way your interpretation machine operates.





I should define "filter" better.

I use the word to describe a few different things.

Copping mechanisms is one.

It's best to just use my own experience to explain, because it's what I understand.

I have always been easy going, and played dumb, the class clown, acted dumber than I am and took a subordinate position and self deprecating.

Never plushy, insistent, dominating.

Always the sidekick and never the superhero.

I imagine I got lead down the path to adopting that attitude because my dad was always putting other people's ideas down and of course he always knew better than everyone else because he is beyond the intelligence level of anyone I've ever heard of.

He already designed a better battery than Tesla and designs, and sells designs for aircraft and amplifiers to big corporations and famous rock bands.

But, to a kid, it doesn't matter if you are right, you still have to let them believe that they have good ideas, and not make them feel like everything they do is the wrong way.

So I believe I learned to not challenge people and to just act dumb so I wouldn't be rejected or put in a position where I could be judged for making mistakes.

I told myself that everyone was so smart and knew what they were doing and had all the answers and I just kept my mouth shut.

That is a coping mechanism, and that is a filter.

It colors how you see yourself in relation to the rest of the world, and how you see others, even if it's not the truth.

But it protects you against the fear of rejection.

Is becomes a form of maladaptive behavior.

And that's a second filter.

Maladaptive behavior is a big part of mental illness.

If you behave the same way, no matter what situation you are in, and you can't change your behavior to meet the situation, then that's not good.

Maladaptive behavior is a big filter.

You can only see the world through those two filters by changing HOW you see the world.

You have to learn to lie to yourself, because you have to create a false view of the world in order to make your own inability to adapt to changing situations, be something you can live with.

Otherwise you would have to blame yourself for all the ways that you can't get along in the world.

"It's not me that is broken, it's the world that is the problem"

All of us live in total denial.

Some more than others.

Another filter to combat those problems is to adopt a persona.

If you can't have a fluid persona, that changes with the situation, because you have a coping mechanism that keeps you from fully engaging every aspect of the situation, like sticking up for yourself for insurance, then you have to adopt a persona that you think everyone will like.

Your a joker, or a giver, or a scapegoat or easy to take advantage of.

So if you are choose to let people take advantage of you, because you want to be accepted, then you have to add another filter.

Now you have to see people as trustworthy, or worthy of putting yourself in a vulnerable position and trusting that people are good and won't take advantage of your kindness.

So you have added another filter, and you must add more to reinforce that one when it goes wrong.

You add the belief that you are always ready to forgive.

Another filter like people are good and smart but just make mistakes.

Then you may become resentful because people keep letting you down and taking advantage of you.

So you add another filter.

You see the world as a place that you can give advice, or comfort, or help others, but the world must have strict rules that everyone has to follow or you can't have anything to do with them because they are no longer worthy if they break any of those rules.

Now you're filters are making you judgmental and discarding groups of people based on how they behave or who they associate with.

Ritch people are causing it, young people are trouble, people who do drugs are no good.

Meanwhile, the coping mechanism that used to work for you when you were young, stops working, because you want people to accept you and avoid conflict, but you are older and haven't developed the tools to deal with conflict, because you just role over and play dumb all the time, and that's fine for a young person, but then no one likes you, because they can't trust themselves to not take advantage of you, because you make it so easy, then instead of confronting them and building understanding and boundaries, you just put them in the category with the bad people, because your filter allows you to see the world as divided, good or bad people, and pretty soon everyone is a bad person, because you keep adding filters to describe them in your view of reality.

Meanwhile, they feel bad being around you because you encouraged people's natural behavior of being a little greedy and taking advantage help, and they can't have a resolution and set it right with you because you don't do confrontation, and then you disappear because you decide they are one of the bad ones.

So now, everyone is on the other side of the bad filter, no one trusts you to work through difficult challenges and stick with it, and you have to add another filter to deal with that.

So you see the world as a place where you will only do what you can, as long as you are left alone to do it, and you have to add another filter that you are good at this one thing, but just can't figure out how to do that other thing, because you are stupid and you also don't like people because they are difficult and judgemental.


So you get really good at that one thing, and everyone says you are great at it, so that becomes who you think you are by adding another filter to see yourself as a specialist, who only has to do that one thing, and everyone respects you.

But in reality, they don't trust you, you are letting the team down because you won't work outside of your specialty, people don't feel comfortable around you because you are stubborn, they can't trust themselves around you, they always feel like any conflict that comes up is never resolved and they can only interact with you on a shallow level because it's clear that you believe that people are bad and have a attitude about them judging you when they offer any advice or criticism.

But you just look out through your filters and see a reality that you must always let people know not to mess with you and that you can be friendly to people, but never be their friend, and you have found a place in life where you are good at one thing, and that is what defines you as a success in life, so you have to keep being that one thing and put on the persona of a person who is a master of it.

But in reality, you have become completely maladaptive because you created a false view of the world to match your need to not support your need to not feel like you are always wrong, and everyone is just going to hurt you if you express yourself and your ideas.

Then you take shrooms, and wake up the next day and your social anxiety is gone, and you are no longer afraid of everything, and you feel like you finally want to open up to people and take control of situations and that you actually have something to offer and it's not all the other people that know everything, because they were the assholes and fuckups, not you.

Then you start to accept that people are fuckups and you don't forgive them because you have to in order to make them like you, but you can forgive them because they are just people, and you have to actually give them the chance to fight you by having confidence in yourself enough to handle the possibility that you will say something they won't like but you also have to trust that they will be willing to accept how you feel, even if you are wrong, and you will keep the door open to them even if they are wrong, but you work it out because you are not afraid of rejection because that old lifelong, and outdated coping mechanism is suddenly gone, and you don't have to hide behind filters and denial, and holding up a false reality around you that was only created to hide you from what you were so afraid of.

So, that's just a little part of of a much bigger false reality that you live in, and there are many more pieces of the rest of it, but even coming to turms with one small, but extremely powerful piece of your whole reality while, or after you do shrooms, can really have a big domino effect in freeing you from the false reality that you create for yourself.

If it breaks down one important piece of what has helped to create your reality and hold it all up, and in doing so, opens a world of new possibilities you are willing to try, so you become much more willing to adapt to different situations and let go of strongly held beliefs and open yourself to the possibility that you could be wrong in how you see the world, and that opens new doors into places you would normally never allow yourself to be part of, and new ideas that your fragile reality could not accept or handle the intrusion in the face of what you felt like you had to hold true to as an integral part of who you viewed yourself to be....

I got lost....

Anyway, a lot of it probably has to do with ego death, because it's a big shock to people when they realize that they are more than just how they see themselves.

You are still you, and you still have all the skills and knowledge you have collected, but you realize that you are not the person who you have told yourself you were.

You are more than your self image, and you have created yourself around a frame, like a shell made of all the things you believe yourself to be, but in reality, you are only what you tell yourself you are, and you have built a reality around yourself that is only meant to be used as a convenient way to reassure you that the person you believe yourself to be, won't be damaged or destroyed.

Your outer reality reinforces your inner reality, and your inner reality creates it for that purpose.

How you see the world is meant to protect the integrity of who you tell yourself that you are, and who you tell yourself that you are, will greatly influence how you see the world.

You can always keep the prices after the mushrooms and choose to put them all back in the same place, or you can use what you need, and add new pieces from your access to the world you can see after the filters are no longer trapping you behind them.

It's like lifting the vail from your own mind, and realizing that there is a wizard, who is really just a fraudster, actually running the machine, and you don't have to be fooled by what he is showing you anymore.

You get a chance at the controls.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: Bardy]
    #28118007 - 12/30/22 08:42 PM (1 year, 28 days ago)

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So my point was; we may very well all experience something different when we see red, but because our experience of that colour has always been the same, and we’ve learned to call it “red”, we can all agree only on the fact that we assign the noun “red” to that particular experience.

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You make good sense generally, but I think you didn't quite think this through.

So I did it for you, and I couldn't find one argument to prove that we don't see red exactly the same way as everyone else. With maybe slight room for psychological variations.

It's actually not a hard trick for our brains to fix it so we all experience the exact same colors in our minds.

But I do wonder how we came to interpret a signal as red, when the color red doesn't really exist outside of our minds.

But I do think there are very subtle changes in how red is seen, but not usually noticable to even ourselves when it's happening to us.

There is a big difference between things you can measure and things like the mind that you can't. The mind has trouble making accurate measurements of reality, from one person to the next.

But our eyes are very well built tools for measuring ligh signals, so of course they are very accurate and identical to one another.

The eye is not a proper tool for making other measurements though

Like how far away a tree is.

We have depth perception, but guessing how far a distance is will very in accuracy from person to person and for of different reasons.

The things in our reality, that we can all actually agree on, are limited, and the accuracy is completely dependent on the tools we have.

The mind is a good tool, but it doesn't deal in accurate measurements and perseptions.

So we are left with only our 11 senses.

The six that we are aware of and the five that we are not aware of.

And they are all precisely tuned as highly specialized measuring tools, and will give identical readings from one person to the next, but our minds are a very different tool, and they don't work off of standardized units of measure like our scenes do.


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Re: How have psilocybin mushrooms changed you? [Re: rocky_raccoon]
    #28120630 - 01/01/23 10:34 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

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There were a lot of good points made from different sides. So thinking about red buses and perception I came to following conclusions:

1. There is no filter in front of our mind. Our mind and therefore we ourselves ARE the filter. If we change the function of our brain via chemicals or meditation or whatever, of course our perception will change. But we can't take on the filter of another person, because it is always connected to an individual brain and it's function.

2. Two people cannot in any possible way have the same experience. Our brains are the means of perception and as Bardy said, "We don’t experience red as a wavelength, we experience it as a colour." Which means we don't see with our eyes but with our brains. Since every brain is unique, every experience must be as well. Even in the same person each experience of perception is the result of a the current state of your brain which itself changes all the time. A man can't step into the same river twice and he can never have the exact same experience again.

3. We can still assume that our perceptions will be somewhat similar to those of other people, just because our brains are, shaped by the long evolution of our common ancestors. But we can never fully prove it because there is just no way to compare.




I'm good with this interpretation.

Maybe a slight divergence in agreement on semantics.

But very beautifully presented.



It's a shame how lacking my associates in science education was.

Fortunately I love reading textbooks cover to cover and absorb them like a sponge, so I went much further than the assigned reading and finished additional textbooks beyond the class syllabus.

A&P one and two textbooks have very limited coverage of the brain's A&P

Second year psychology and chemistry also is hardly more than an introduction.

Fortunately, I've always enjoyed spending my days in the pages of textbooks and fiction.

But there is so much to learn just to say you have scratched the surface.

Especially when it comes to the study needed in relation to the op's question.

College doesn't even start to unravel the partial picture of the world that we have available to us so far.

It would take a tremendous amount of study just to start to understand even the little bit that we know in relation to the op's question.

But I think you have a good way of looking at the subject.

Lacking the massive curriculum anyone would need to really understand what was going on, I think you still have valid points.

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