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HILLBILLY OUTLAW
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: saralove] 13
#28097529 - 12/14/22 05:08 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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 Not the most impressive pic of the day but hey this here is my 999th post and I think I’m gonna toss these ghost swabs up on mktplace for a 1k post giveaway. Sounds like a great idea to me. Lol
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I'm sure you'll make many people happy with that #1000 post
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HILLBILLY OUTLAW
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: saralove] 1
#28097548 - 12/14/22 05:27 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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That’s the plan brother. Keep spreading the love when I can!!
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Tamp jar from February still doing its thing. I’ll eventually get to cloning and spawning this jar. Too much other shit to juggle at the moment.
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Scrimshaw] 2
#28097621 - 12/14/22 06:04 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I've never noticed a difference between fresh and dry that I could discern
Trip balls either way, seems to be the same general location
Second flush and last flush for this grow of 5 tubs, 5 qt, totalled a bit under a hp from 2 flushes I think
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: thelanzii] 3
#28097633 - 12/14/22 06:10 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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thelanzii said: I feel like i always read on here that psilocin isnt present in dried fruits
Psilo Cup lab testing results says otherwise, at least for the ones entered.
There are a few with very little, but most entered have some, enough to look like they contribute. 2022 results are on this page: https://www.oaklandhyphae510.com/post/oakland-hyphae-hyphae-labs-present-the-spring-psilocybin-cup-2022-final-results
2021 results are on the PDF linked on this page: https://www.oaklandhyphae510.com/post/oakland-hyphae-presents-the-fall-2021-psilocybin-cup-final-results
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thelanzii said: what would be the other factors?
There are other factors (other than set and setting)... As you can see from the Cup results, there are some other related alkaloid actives in shrooms other than the 2 main ones. Who knows what they contribute, and if they degrade from heat and air like Psilocin.
Fresh shrooms probably are almost always stronger than dried shrooms. That's been my sample of 1 (plus a few friends) experience, but the actual lab tests point that way too. There is psilocin. Those samples were tested dried (have to be to get the dry weight/ alkellid percentage), and due to the degradation of psilocin in air, they probably had more when picked.
Though property dried and stored shrooms can be active for years, even a decade, maybe more.
If there's any fuzzy feet, areal mycelium or other mycelium on the shroom, mycelium can contain tiny amounts of MAOIs, so that could make a trip a little stronger and longer too. Here's a thread I started about it, and some people who know a lot more than me commented throughout it: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27549409#27549409
Edited by nektar61 (12/15/22 02:50 AM)
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Enkidu
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: nektar61] 3
#28097645 - 12/14/22 06:15 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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"Probably are almost always"
That's probably right at least almost sometimes, im sure
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: nektar61] 1
#28097651 - 12/14/22 06:17 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Agreed, reading the cups, psilocin is not 100% eliminated.
Im no sage, but i suspect dried intact fruits may keep a structure dense enough to allow for pockets of psilocin to be not removed at the same pace as studies based on grinded powder. Also as the outer psilocin is heated through the warming of the exterior cell wall of a intact fruit, stuff may be happening that slow the destruction of the interior psilocin of a dried or drying fruit.
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: Enkidu] 1
#28097670 - 12/14/22 06:23 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Enkidu said: "Probably are almost always"
That's probably right at least almost sometimes, im sure 
I probably are almost always editing my posts.
I write a long post, then often read and edit them immediately after they post. It's based on getting a few detailed posts (with links) perfect, computer or browser crashing and not having browser save it because of security settings.
I probably maybe certainly would have fixed that part, but now I won't. haha.
Pic tax. x7x:
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: nektar61] 1
#28097684 - 12/14/22 06:31 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Probably certainly no reason to
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nektar61



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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: rumfor69] 1
#28097698 - 12/14/22 06:37 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: Nice. I never mist my tubs. If you got the moisture and fae right they form beads all on their own.
I've heard it's different with shoeboxes, which is all I do. (And I clarified that in the guy with the tubs who is running the automated mister.)
If someone who's done both monos and shoeboxes a lot tells me no misting is needed in a dry place, I'll reconsider it. I don't mist every day. Maybe 2x a week in summer, 3 or 4 a week in winter (because I run a small heater on thermostat blowing away from shrooms in my grow room, otherwise it would be near freezing in winter).
The field capacity I do is: mix sub/verm/coir and a little water, squeeze a handful, and it's right for me when I get some drops. Like 10 drops. Not a steady stream, and not just a couple drops.
Whatever it is, it seems to be working for me.
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What do you got in the bottom of that tub?
Hydroton. Expanded clay pellets for hydroponics
Ohok. And that keeps the moisture higher than say pearlite or just water?
I just like hydroton cause it's cleaner than bitch ass perlite(absolutely hate it) and I can set stuff on top of it.
I really love your setup it's very organized, something I wish I could master, i like your genes they look very pretty
I've been growing for quite some time and using this current setup I find is easiest for me. The tent is easy to clean and you can really dial in the internal environment. You can pull weight outta this rig.
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nektar61



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smalltalk_canceled said: ... i suspect dried intact fruits may keep a structure dense enough to allow for pockets of psilocin to be not removed at the same pace as studies based on grinded powder.
Yes.
Nature finds a way. Not sure if drugs exist in shrooms to keep bugs off them like with tobacco (don't seem to with shrooms, fungus gnats, etc), or if the drugs are so we'll grow them and mail spores around the world, but nature finds a way to protect its substances.
Ergot alkaloids are degraded quickly by UV light, but grow on grains that grow in sunlight all summer. That's why Ergot outside is hard, dark purple / black, to protect the inside from UV light.
Little trick of evolution there,
Bottom line: don't grind shrooms until ready to eat.
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: SexBurrito] 6
#28097742 - 12/14/22 07:05 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I’m in a desert where it’s regularly single digit RH, for a long time I would have to mist my tubs every day or two and had great results. I thought it was just due to being so dry, but I slightly “overhydrated” a batch of coir one time and just went with it instead of squeezing it out. The tubs kept perfect conditions with zero maintenance and now it’s how I do all of them.
There’s a pretty wide range of “field capacity” that will work so a lot of people get good results one way and stick to it, like I had been. But there’s a sweet spot you can find that will make the tubs completely self sufficient. Probably 90% of my grows now aren’t touched between spawn and harvest.
Also somebody mentioned needing to try their San Pedro a couple pages back, do that shit ASAP!! San Pedro is my favorite psychedelic by a huge margin. You should definitely consider propagating lots of clones though. I was buying and eating a new cactus each time and would have no idea the potency. Luckily it’s such a great trip I had no problem drinking as much as I could stomach every time since there was no fear of over doing it.
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: nektar61] 2
#28097753 - 12/14/22 07:13 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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nektar61 said: Bottom line: don't grind shrooms until ready to eat.
I’m not sure I subscribe to this advice. I have ground and capsuled mushrooms and sealed them in Mylar bags with desiccant packs and O2 absorbers and they have been holding up 9 months with no noticeable degradation. I think capsul if them limits the O2 exposure and absorbing the O2 from the bag limits the risk. I’m open to being proven wrong.
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: A.k.a] 2
#28097760 - 12/14/22 07:17 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: I’m in a desert where it’s regularly single digit RH, for a long time I would have to mist my tubs every day or two and had great results. I thought it was just due to being so dry, but I slightly “overhydrated” a batch of coir one time and just went with it instead of squeezing it out. The tubs kept perfect conditions with zero maintenance and now it’s how I do all of them.
There’s a pretty wide range of “field capacity” that will work so a lot of people get good results one way and stick to it, like I had been. But there’s a sweet spot you can find that will make the tubs completely self sufficient. Probably 90% of my grows now aren’t touched between spawn and harvest.

When I lived in the desert, I misted my tubs daily until I started prepping my coir a little extra wet. Even then, I’d still have to mist the walls & corners during the heat of the summer when the AC would run 24/7. Took a while before I realized what works in someone else’s climate may not apply to mine.
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: MojaveMyc] 2
#28097767 - 12/14/22 07:21 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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nektar61



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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: BlueAndOrange] 1
#28097770 - 12/14/22 07:22 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: I think capsul if them limits the O2 exposure and absorbing the O2 from the bag limits the risk.
That sounds possible.
Not sure they'd be good for years. Capsules can absorb moisture over time. I've had some (mineral supplements) stuck together and rubbery when it's very humid.
Forrester had cracker dry shrooms not even vacuum sealed, just in a jar, in a hot garage, and 10 years later they were good as when dried: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27633846#27633783
My general impression from reading a lot of posts on the topic is that the thing that degrades shrooms most is any moisture, not room temp heat or a little air.
I cracker dry mine and vacuum seal. Haven't had any for many years yet, but I've put dates on them and am planning on posting results after trying them over time.
 Some vacuum packed "party packs" of Penis Envy, and of A+
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: saralove] 10
#28097791 - 12/14/22 07:34 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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First things first, pay your taxes. Lab at the end of the evening, with some reshuffling of shelf space in progress:

My .02:
Variation within a "strain" can be huge. Also, variation can vary. I don't think of Penis Envy so much as stronger than other varieties, but rather, it just has narrower genetics that also don't generate fruits on the lower end of the potency spectrum. With enough genetic work and the right growing parameters, just about any strain can produce grams that'll send one to the moon.
I think the variation within one "strain" can easily lead to a situation where two different growers pursue their own culture lines, and end up with 2 completely different things. I trust that 2 different "strains" in my grow are distinct, but never sure exactly how they'd compare to someone else's cultures from those "strains."
But the thing I really wanted to bring up is secondary compounds, which I believe do vary between "strains." Variation in secondary compounds is what I attrubite my anecdotal experiences with different "strains" to. And although anecdotal, they involve MANY iterations of eating/trying the same several "strains" over and over, and being able to tell the difference without looking at labels.
That said, the same strain seems to be able to hit different people in different ways, which I guess makes sense given all the interactions of brain chemistry, different psychoactive compounds, basic conditioning, etc.
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Re: Post Your Cultivation Picture of The Day [Re: B Traven] 7
#28097834 - 12/14/22 08:03 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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A.k.a said: Also somebody mentioned needing to try their San Pedro a couple pages back, do that shit ASAP!! San Pedro is my favorite psychedelic by a huge margin. You should definitely consider propagating lots of clones though. I was buying and eating a new cactus each time and would have no idea the potency. Luckily it’s such a great trip I had no problem drinking as much as I could stomach every time since there was no fear of over doing it.
That was me! There is San Pedro everywhere here.... I have lots potted but I just have to walk a block or 2 and could get what I needed. Brought this back Saturday 'cause it was all I could carry. I am in a desert as well. San Pedro's been calling me for over a year... it's just the prep and trip time-frame that hinders me. So I have prepped some already by dehydrating chips and grinding to a powder.

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B Traven said: But the thing I really wanted to bring up is secondary compounds, which I believe do vary between "strains." Variation in secondary compounds is what I attrubite my anecdotal experiences with different "strains" to. And although anecdotal, they involve MANY iterations of eating/trying the same several "strains" over and over, and being able to tell the difference without looking at labels.
That said, the same strain seems to be able to hit different people in different ways, which I guess makes sense given all the interactions of brain chemistry, different psychoactive compounds, basic conditioning, etc.
The secondary compounds makes sense... seeing as in psychopharmacology there are loads of secondary metabolites that are later discovered with bigger effects than the original compound. And not to mention interactions between metabolites, secondary metabolites, etc. And the bitch to figure it all out inside brain chemistry. This is why Stahl in his Essential Psychopharmacology textbook speaks of the "art and science" of prescribing, and why most drugs that are intended for the brain or "mind" have a success rate of about 50%. You have to tweak and tweak until you find the right balance, if ever.
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