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Ketamine Infusions
    #28092140 - 12/10/22 04:48 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Anyone tried them?

I've had a few lately, the NP who I see is a psychonaut and lets me pick my dose. Pretty wild k-holing for over an hour, no anxiety at all since it's in a medical setting. I've done ketamine in the past but for whatever reason the infusion takes it to a whole new level.

I'm doing it more just for the experience than to help with depression, but it's pretty much wiped out any ruminative thinking I had and I have tons of motivation out of nowhere lately, we'll see how long it lasts. The place I go to is a little cheaper than the other ones around but the cost is still pretty absurd. I'll be getting a nice supply of ketamine lozenges and nasal spray next visit, gonna be an interesting new years :omgawesome:


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: feevers]
    #28092178 - 12/10/22 05:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I have not but I really want to try it at least once to see if it would be worthwhile.  The main reason I haven't already is because the cost of an in office K-seshy seems absurdly high.  Might be worth though, idk...:shrug:

A few questions for you:

1) How often do you go/ take K while in treatment? 
2) Duration of positive beneficial efx?
3) How does K-therapy compare to a solid LSD &or Mush trip? (wrt  mental well-being)
4) What's the gist of an in office k-sesh look like?  Is there any prep work done in advance for you by the practitioner?  Or is it simply walk in get ready, take vitals, and dose... etc?
5) Downsides?

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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28092232 - 12/10/22 05:41 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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The Blind Ass said:
I have not but I really want to try it at least once to see if it would be helpful enough to warrant the significant cost of an in office K treatment seshy. 

A few questions for you:

1) How often do you go? 
2) Duration of positive beneficial efx?
3) How does K-therapy compare to a solid LSD &or Mush trip? (wrt  mental well-being)
4) Downsides?

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Twice a week for 3 weeks, 6 sessions total. I've done 4 so far

I felt nothing in terms of mental health differences after my first dose, but it was also right before thanksgiving and I went hard on the booze for a couple days so who knows what effect that had. Didn't notice much after the 2nd dose either.

After session 3 was when I felt the noticeable differences. I usually have trouble getting started/initiating doing something I don't want to do and have all sorts of procrastination and thoughts dreading it, now I can just easily transition between things and not even think about it. My mood had just stayed a lot more steady and my focus is a little better. I started enjoying just sitting and listening to music again for the first time in a long time. I think the rougher and weirder moments of the trip re-introduce me to how strange and profound reality actually is, the little things just aren't that bothersome after that kind of experience. That and all the physiological changes it makes to your brain. I only did my 3rd dose on Monday so I can't comment on the duration of any benefits. I did my 4th last night and even though I barely slept I have a great afterglow today

I've noticed the lower doses are really therapeutic in terms of processing things, being dissociated gives you a really new and refreshing way of looking at your problems. Higher doses you can't do much thinking, but k-holing seems good for the ego dissolution and "letting go" aspects which I feel helps a lot. Things still can go south on ketamine if you try to fight it. The NP there keeps a syringe of sedative handy because it's not rare for people to freak.

For the sessions I just get my vitals taken and then sit in a nice comfortable recliner with heated seats, pick what color I want the room light to be. There's a therapy dog you can hang out with before and after, they give me a pair of noise canceling headphones I can link to my phone. The NP puts the IV in, we chat about psychedelics or something until it starts kicking in and then he leaves and comes back an hour later. I then walk like I'm on the moon out to my wifes car and tell her how weird that was over and over

The downside is that instead of an afterglow some people feel irritable or anxious the next day, I think I get a little of that but it goes away quickly. Right after a high dose treatment takes me a couple hours to come down fully, so I'm not able to drive home (the clinic won't let you anyway) and if I do it at night sleep can be tough. Cost is really the main downside for me. The unknowns of the long term side effects maybe too, but it's a relatively small dose and the known side effects of chronic depression are awful so I'm not really worried


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: feevers]
    #28092255 - 12/10/22 05:51 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

In Canada the nasal formulation is now covered by most insurers (esketamine) if you have been diagnosed with treatment resistant depression.

Treatment schedule is similar to what Feevers detailed with a maintenance dose of once ever two weeks or once every four weeks as needed.

Cost without insurance is ~$500/treatment. It depends on dose and you can pretty easily approach $1000/treatment.

The maintenance schedule is defined by how long a person experiences symptom resolution; with most doing well for 2-6 weeks once they are stable.

Main side effects from chronic use are related to potential for bladder damage. Acute adverse events related to psychosis and suicidal ideation.


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: feevers]
    #28092263 - 12/10/22 05:56 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

It's also worth noting that according to my NP many clinics will give you benzos in your IV alongside the ketamine, primarily as a way to try to take the "trippy part" out of the treatment and have less adverse reactions. He says there's some research that this can actually be counter-productive to the antidepressant effect because you're basically dampening the memory and parts of your brain that play huge roles in the integration, and for many people the experience itself may be a huge factor in the anti-depressant effect.

Even at his clinic he wanted to put anti-nausea and blood pressure meds into the IV as well, I had him do just straight ketamine though. I had no issues with nausea but I could see it being a problem if I tried to keep my eyes open, my eyeballs were literally vibrating for like 20 minutes after it wore off last night


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: pslyke]
    #28092277 - 12/10/22 06:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Quote:

pslyke said:
In Canada the nasal formulation is now covered by most insurers (esketamine) if you have been diagnosed with treatment resistant depression.

Treatment schedule is similar to what Feevers detailed with a maintenance dose of once ever two weeks or once every four weeks as needed.

Cost without insurance is ~$500/treatment. It depends on dose and you can pretty easily approach $1000/treatment.

The maintenance schedule is defined by how long a person experiences symptom resolution; with most doing well for 2-6 weeks once they are stable.

Main side effects from chronic use are related to potential for bladder damage. Acute adverse events related to psychosis and suicidal ideation.




Yeah in america some insurance companies will cover it, I believe you need documented proof of having gone through like 3 courses of different antidepressants and having tried psychotherapy though. Even then they make you jump through hoops before they pay

Cost is pretty similar, mine's a little less. The other ones around me are $600-900 per treatment, plus a $400 consult before you even walk in the door.

I plan to just use my take home doses (prescribed for chronic pain) for my maintenance to save money. The bladder issues were my main concern side-effect wise, but I couldn't find many reports of bladder issues following a reasonable schedule... mostly just from daily/frequent use.


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: feevers]
    #28092323 - 12/10/22 06:27 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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I couldn't find many reports of bladder issues following a reasonable schedule... mostly just from daily/frequent use.





^same


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: pslyke]
    #28092421 - 12/10/22 07:43 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

So for $500-$1,000 you're provided with one-one time dose of a few milligrams of dripped(?) or pushed Ketamine, a rig of Ativan (or similar sedative) in case of an emergency, a comfy place to rest ~ and a medical practitioner of some  sort to monitor your vitals and, I presume, assist with other misc. things?

Yeah...I dunno how I feel about that.  Won't my self esteem suffer if I knowingly spend several hundreds of dollars more than if one simply obtained the necessary materials & knowledge & XP to accomplish essentially the same things- but at a fraction of the former's cost?

Akin to getting ripped off in a drug deal, sortanotrlytho. :oldman:

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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #28092481 - 12/10/22 08:21 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Quote:

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So for $500-$1,000 you're provided with one-one time dose of a few milligrams of dripped(?) or pushed Ketamine, a rig of Ativan (or similar sedative) in case of an emergency, a comfy place to rest ~ and a medical practitioner of some  sort to monitor your vitals and, I presume, assist with other misc. things?

Yeah...I dunno how I feel about that.  Won't my self esteem suffer if I knowingly spend several hundreds of dollars more than if one simply obtained the necessary materials & knowledge & XP to accomplish essentially the same things- but at a fraction of the former's cost?

Akin to getting ripped off in a drug deal, sortanotrlytho. :oldman:

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Yeah the cost is definitely ridiculous. The place I go is cheaper but it's still a lot.

Some places charge the same and just do an IM dose. I get a drip/infusion that lasts a little over an hour. I've been able to go far, far deeper into the k-hole than I was able to do on my own through snorting or IM, and weirdly I actually have a good amount of memory of the trip afterwords. I think it's a combo of the ROA, dose, and the set/setting of knowing there's no medical concern about going too far

I just decided I'd skip a vacation I was planning and use that money to do the course of the treatment instead. I don't regret it at all, the experiences have been profound to say the least and hopefully some of the positive effects stay with me for awhile


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: feevers]
    #28092595 - 12/10/22 09:52 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I want to try ket


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: gopher]
    #28093024 - 12/11/22 08:11 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I'm really surprised they would add in a benzo. That combo has not been studied for depression as far as I am aware, and is likely dangerous too.  At the recommended dose for depression treatment of 0.5mg/kg ket, if you add in a benzo you are at the very bottom of the range for anesthesia 0.5-2mg/kg in conjunction with a benzo. IV administration.


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: Ice9]
    #28093030 - 12/11/22 08:15 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

NMDA antagonists are a beautiful thing.

I highly recommend Agmatine sulfate twice a day, 1g in the morning and 1g in the evening.

It's helped me feel a lot better.

Ketamine just takes the NMDA atangonist to a whole nother level.


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: feevers]
    #28093037 - 12/11/22 08:19 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Quote:

feevers said:
Anyone tried them?

I've had a few lately, the NP who I see is a psychonaut and lets me pick my dose. Pretty wild k-holing for over an hour, no anxiety at all since it's in a medical setting. I've done ketamine in the past but for whatever reason the infusion takes it to a whole new level.

I'm doing it more just for the experience than to help with depression, but it's pretty much wiped out any ruminative thinking I had and I have tons of motivation out of nowhere lately, we'll see how long it lasts. The place I go to is a little cheaper than the other ones around but the cost is still pretty absurd. I'll be getting a nice supply of ketamine lozenges and nasal spray next visit, gonna be an interesting new years :omgawesome:



They let you pick the dose??! Thatโ€™s amazing.


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: vandago]
    #28093043 - 12/11/22 08:22 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Yeah but it also costs you an arm and a leg so why wouldn't they let you?


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: feevers]
    #28093965 - 12/11/22 09:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Yeah.  To treat ptsd associated with being stabbed.
they hit you with 90ml then another 90 a while later.
It was miraculous.  I wasnt sure at first.  I was inebriated.  I slept for like three days straight.  pissed the bed once.
But yeah.  I have had only one flashback since then.  I seldom get depressed.  I sleep really well.  What else can i say? It fuckin works. Costed like $400 and requires an official ptsd diagnosis. 

I mean, I wouldnt recommend it for just run of the mill season effect disorder or "my girfriend cheated on me" sadness.  I feel like mushrooms works fine for that.  I was what i described as "particularly broken".  Actively suicidal.  Sleep deprivation and paralysis.  Shadow people visits.  Flash backs.  Panic attacks resulting in vomiting etc.
Not "i dont feel like going out" depression, but "dark-world" depression. 

but ya, if that sounds familiar, run, dont walk, and do the thing.


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
    #28094130 - 12/12/22 02:48 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Ketamine is one of those drugs I have yet to acquire, so I can just go to a naturo quack and get some?


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: budmanman]
    #28094193 - 12/12/22 05:50 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Technically you can go to any licensed physician to get a prescription. Finding one that endorses the use of ketamine for mental health challenges might take a little more time and effort, but it is quickly getting easier.


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: pslyke]
    #28094206 - 12/12/22 06:11 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I go to a nurse practitioner who's also an anesthesiologist, so he can do the infusions as well as prescribe.

There are online services now where you can just get a script through a pill mill doc and they send you a bunch of K lozenges. I don't know much about them but lots of people are using them


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: feevers]
    #28094212 - 12/12/22 06:30 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Interesting. These online docs are crazy. I got prescribed Cialis and I don't even have ED. It was $5 to do and I was curious if it worked, sure enough a bag of Cialis showed up in the mail a week later. My buddy got prescribed Adderall online, but all the local pharmacies stopped honoring the prescription after like 6 months. The game of whack a mole continues.

I am going to have to find a ketamine doctor online.


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Re: Ketamine Infusions [Re: TrancedOutBrah]
    #28094623 - 12/12/22 02:28 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Yeah but it also costs you an arm and a leg so why wouldn't they let you?





My insurance covered mine. The doctor told me he wouldnโ€™t give me high doses, because he was afraid of how big I am, and no one in the office could restrain me if need be. I thought it to be a weird thing to say. I no longer go to this clinic due to how insanely unprofessional it was.


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