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Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time * 3
    #28090403 - 12/09/22 02:18 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

So since some of you have expressed disbelief that I could possibly believe the things that I do and my last thread has gotten out of hand,

I feel that this deserves a topic of its own.

Putin is absolutely a far superior leader and president than pretty much anyone that the United States has fielded in over thirty years.

Bill Clinton? First of all, he's a rapist and secondly, a blatant puppet for the Neocons. He accomplished absolutely nothing noteworthy during his term and overall was more concerned with getting pussy than he was with improving the lives of others. Bombed Serbia back to the stone age and kicked off the whole "beating up small countries in shows of force" policy which has continued ever since. A pathetic coward and a bully.

George Bush? HAHAHAHHAAHAH. We all know he is a retarded monkey. Also has the deaths of millions of Arabs on his hands. Do I really need to say more?

Barack Obama? Don't make me laugh. We're talking about a guy who pretended to be elegant but beneath the fake veneer that he projected all over the place there was very, VERY little of substance to him. As if that weren't bad enough, Obama bailed out the banks fucking over everyone in the process, lied again and again about anything and everything, supported Al-Qaeda and ISIS in Syria, bombed Libya back to the stone age, and supported a horrible blockade in Yemen that has caused tens of thousands to starve to death.

Obama is a major warcriminal, almost as bad as Bush if not just as bad with millions of dead on his hands. He deserves to face prosecution for crimes against humanity, and if there were any justice in this world, would have already.

Trump? Sorry but Trump doesn't come close to Putin. Trump lacks both the intelligence, understanding of history, as well as geopolitical knowledge necessary to be a truly effective leader like Putin. He also lacks courage and strong decision making skills.

Biden? Another truly comical comparison. Biden, when he isn't shaking an invisible hand in the air or randomly engaging in bursts of confusing and embarrassing gibberish, is a truly hollow person who has sold his soul to those whom control him and his policies. He has absolutely no opinions thoughts or ideas of his own, he simply does what he is told. He's the most blatant puppet president we've ever had, even compared to George Bush.


Compared to all of these pathetic imbeciles, Putin is superior in just about every way possible. Not only is he far more intelligent and nuanced than they are, but he's not anywhere near as bloodthirsty either. He has caused far less death and suffering than any one of the US presidents I've listed here, and that's an irrefutable FACT. Just because you don't like that fact, doesn't matter. The truth doesn't care about your feelings and the truth doesn't care if you can't accept it just because you're a hypocrite who can't square up with reality.

But it gets EVEN WORSE. Here is Angela Merkel admitting that they tricked Russia into agreeing to the 2014 Minsk agreements: https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/merkel:-minsk-agreement-attempted-to-give-ukraine-time

What happened here is actually mindblowing. Here is the former chancellor of Germany just straight up ADMITTING that they DELIBERATELY LIED to Russia and to Putin, implying that they never intended for Ukraine to pursue peace in the long run, and that they tricked the Russians so they could re-arm the Ukrainian military and prepare them for another war with them on better footing. Angela just OPENLY ADMITTED that the west ALWAYS KNEW that Ukraine would end up back at war with Russia at some point, and that they NEVER CARED about securing peace in the first place. This throws ALL of the anti-Russian propaganda of the past year into the dumpster. This is undeniable proof that it's all a lie.

If you are not fucking SICK TO YOUR STOMACH at the truly pathetic, weak, traitorous leadership and tactics of the West, then I don't know what to tell you. You have no heart, no conscience, and don't care about anything, let alone the truth. Don't forget that what our CORRUPT leaders do REFLECTS ON ALL OF US.

And the crazy thing is, it's not like Putin is some kind of amazing superhuman. It's merely the fact that he is a logical, rational, SANE, and HONEST person that causes him to contrast so much with our western "leaders". All because we have a serious deficit of leaders who possess these BASIC qualities that are necessary to be a good leader. We don't have honest or rational or sane people anymore. Instead, we are led by pathetic losers who lie through their teeth constantly.

It is not just our country that needs to do better and BE better. It is also *us ourselves* that need to DO BETTER. We need to reject the hypocrisy. We need to reject the lies. We need to BE BETTER PEOPLE so we can try and fix this irreparably broken country that has become a force for true evil and death in the world. Every single one of you who have chosen not to care about anything, who have consistently rejected the truth and engaged in personal attacks instead of facing up to the truth, are holding back progress of our ENTIRE hemisphere.

This can no longer be allowed

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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: chopstick] * 2
    #28090432 - 12/09/22 02:43 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

1st!

This post will be referenced for years to come.

Hope this thread doesn't get derailed on you.

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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: Smartattack] * 1
    #28090450 - 12/09/22 02:52 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)



Собака

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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: VP123] * 2
    #28090485 - 12/09/22 03:12 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I like him for his:

sense of fashion




karate skills




and deep connection to nature.


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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: chopstick]
    #28090498 - 12/09/22 03:22 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Yes Daddy Putin invade me harder


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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #28091255 - 12/10/22 12:17 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

:canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: Smartattack]
    #28091343 - 12/10/22 02:57 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Smartattack said:
1st!

This post will be referenced for years to come.

Hope this thread doesn't get derailed on you.

:pout:




Fuck!! I wanted to be the first laughing at it so hard

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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: iggyhiggy] * 2
    #28091380 - 12/10/22 04:36 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I used to respect Putin. I didn't think he was a good person, but he was smart. IDK if invading Ukraine was just a decision making mistake, or old age and disease decline. He has screwed up beyond belief, and the consequences of his mistake will reverberate for a decade or two.

His death would be the best conclusion, for him and millions of others. If it doesn't happen naturally, there will be an internal coup. Whatever anyone's opinion of Ukraine, Russia's future is a dumpster fire.


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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28091466 - 12/10/22 07:31 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I used to respect Putin. I didn't think he was a good person, but he was smart. IDK if invading Ukraine was just a decision making mistake, or old age and disease decline. He has screwed up beyond belief, and the consequences of his mistake will reverberate for a decade or two.

His death would be the best conclusion, for him and millions of others. If it doesn't happen naturally, there will be an internal coup. Whatever anyone's opinion of Ukraine, Russia's future is a dumpster fire.




I respect him too. I consider him capable and intelligent. This doesn't make him a good person (honest) or a good leader. The same goes, for example, with Berlusconi. He's way smarter than most of nowadays politicians, he is a capable man, he had an idea of country and mostly realized it.
I respect him for this, the problem is that his idea of country and probably of humankind is at the opposite of mine.
Both are corrupt egotic autocrates (with Putin having more autoritharian and warmongering tendencies). I don't think it's a coincidence the two guys used to be good friends.

I agree with chop that with a few exceptions western politicians in the last years are mediocre, so saying that he's more capable than most is actually true, but it's not saying much.

I'd say that he screwed up many achievements of his two decades government with the attack to Ukraine: he managed to stabilize post-Soviet Russia (what Eltsin didn't), made it an almost necessary partner to Europe and started to make it again a superpower, or at least to make it reason like a superpower. Before Ukraine his 'new-imperial' policy was carried prudently and succesfully expanded or reinforced Russian influence in Asia, Africa, South America and Mediterranean Area (North-Africa and Middle East).

But he had not been capable (or intentioned) to free Russian economy from its srtong dependence on its Gas (and in part oil), and i consider it a big mistake (the same Chavez did in Venezuela and Gheddafi in Libia).

He also made the same mistake all autocrates do: he got old and he didn't create a ruling class capable of keeping the country together. I don't necessarily mean in territorial sense, i'm more speaking about Institutions.
I believe that when he dies or becomes too old to rule there could be the risk to see what happened, for example, in former Jugoslavia after Tito's death (that would be the worst scfenario). But even in best cases i bet the transition to new power is not going to be smooth from the institutional point of view

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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: chopstick]
    #28091499 - 12/10/22 08:24 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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It is not just our country that needs to do better and BE better. It is also *us ourselves* that need to DO BETTER. We need to reject the hypocrisy. We need to reject the lies. We need to BE BETTER PEOPLE so we can try and fix this irreparably broken country that has become a force for true evil and death in the world




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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: iggyhiggy] * 2
    #28091504 - 12/10/22 08:29 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I agree with chop that with a few exceptions western politicians in the last years are mediocre, so saying that he's more capable than most is actually true, but it's not saying much.




I think it's important to remember our politicians operate in a system of checks and balances. Putin doesn't have to deal with any of that so to me it doesn't really seem like there's a valid comparison to make .


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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28091730 - 12/10/22 11:58 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I agree with chop that with a few exceptions western politicians in the last years are mediocre, so saying that he's more capable than most is actually true, but it's not saying much.




I think it's important to remember our politicians operate in a system of checks and balances. Putin doesn't have to deal with any of that so to me it doesn't really seem like there's a valid comparison to make .




I agree, but you can still do comparison between present and past western politicians. Whwn I wrote that I was more thinking about Italian ones. But thinking about US ones doesn't seem much better: seen from Bush and Trump were idiocy champions, and also Obama was below expectations.
I don't think many of them would have been capable to hold the power that long.

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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: Brian Jones] * 1
    #28091978 - 12/10/22 02:38 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I used to respect Putin. I didn't think he was a good person, but he was smart. IDK if invading Ukraine was just a decision making mistake, or old age and disease decline. He has screwed up beyond belief, and the consequences of his mistake will reverberate for a decade or two.

His death would be the best conclusion, for him and millions of others. If it doesn't happen naturally, there will be an internal coup.



Why would a person with a 79% approval rating get couped before a person with a 40% approval rating (Biden)?

It seems to me the US Government is preparing yet another coup, and wants the public to think it is bound to happen so people don't get suspicious if it does.  :shrug:


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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28092288 - 12/10/22 06:08 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Because Putin singlehandedly is destroying their economy, their very undiversified economy.

I don't put any stock in approval numbers from authoritarian systems.

Biden is up 6 points since the midterms.


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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28092352 - 12/10/22 06:49 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

And also he’s been president for 18 years. Biden will
Maybe make it four.


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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28092776 - 12/11/22 01:59 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Brian Jones said:
I used to respect Putin. I didn't think he was a good person, but he was smart. IDK if invading Ukraine was just a decision making mistake, or old age and disease decline. He has screwed up beyond belief, and the consequences of his mistake will reverberate for a decade or two.

His death would be the best conclusion, for him and millions of others. If it doesn't happen naturally, there will be an internal coup.



Why would a person with a 79% approval rating get couped before a person with a 40% approval rating (Biden)?

It seems to me the US Government is preparing yet another coup, and wants the public to think it is bound to happen so people don't get suspicious if it does.  :shrug:




Because coups are usually organized by elites. It only needs one single well organized opponent. If one get to put hands on power and manage to guarantee institutional stability and life standards, approval will turn to him.
After 20 yrs of him detainig power is quite possible someone else wants his chair, be him from abroad or from inside Russia.
In a place where power 'turn' (yeah relatively, but it turns) every 4 years its probably more profitable choose the institutional way to power.
I don't see easy nor profitable for US to organize a coup in Russia. Nore probably they would try to fund some Russian cleaned-up Oligarch that is going to try, when the fruit will be ripe.
I think there is relatively plenty of olgarchs that would be eager to make shoes to Putin, but they dont feel ready for it.

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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: christopera]
    #28092823 - 12/11/22 02:44 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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And also he’s been president for 18 years. Biden will
Maybe make it four.




This whole thread is next level dumb but i'll play along for shits and giggles.  Let's see....

So...18 years (so far).
Putin must really like himself.  :lol:

But which president(s) engaged in the most wars?

Furthermore, which one has murdered the most human beings?

Whoever he is I wouldn't want to get on their bad side, not even a little.  I'll bet they're the most popular guy in every room they step in...and the least popular as soon as they step out.

I'll wait...*checks watch*


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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #28092871 - 12/11/22 04:32 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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...which president(s) engaged in the most wars?

Furthermore, which one has murdered the most human beings?

Whoever he is I wouldn't want to get on their bad side, not even a little.  I'll bet they're the most popular guy in every room they step in...and the least popular as soon as they step out.

I'll wait...*checks watch*



I'm pretty sure that'd be the Bush's.


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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28093967 - 12/11/22 09:29 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Which one? And in comparison to what other president/leader (or equiv)?  If you can't do that, Why stop at 2v1?  Go on bud I'm sure you had a thought provoking point behind that knee slapper of an interpretation to my og questionzZz. 

To be crystal clear- as per my actual question- I was more looking for a 1:1 comparison than a whitenight blessed with the powers of make-believe galloping against the wind to rescue sir Pootin's e-dignity.



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Re: Vladimir Putin is one of the Greatest Leaders of Our Time [Re: The Blind Ass] * 1
    #28094020 - 12/11/22 10:39 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Take your pick.  Both Bush's started plenty of conflicts.


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