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#28087494 - 12/07/22 03:18 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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That and social media narcissism.
Who are the men paying for this shit?
If you're one of them, you're a pathetic POS and need to get a grip.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#28087505 - 12/07/22 03:31 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Onlyfans is only better than the porn we had in place before which involved severe exploitation of the actors involved, often they got very little of the profits of their work and suffered horrible conditions.
Onlyfans is self-made porn, giving the actors some say in how they work, and a larger cut. There are still people who exploit sex workers ('pimp') on onlyfans but it is much less. I call that a marginal improvement.
So how is onlyfans evil when the thing it is replacing, industry porn, is much worse? And do you never use porn at all? If you do use porn at all, then respectfully this post is hypocritical. You're ok consuming the exploitation of sex workers, but you're just not ok paying. So do you think stealing the work done by sex workers is any more ethical?
As for the general idea that we should ban sex work, I disagree. We should be more like Amsterdam. People will pay for sex always, so we can either regulate it and protect sex workers, or allow it to happen illegally.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28087510 - 12/07/22 03:38 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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It's certainly part of a general trend towards improvement in that space, hard to deny that shit has been pretty rough there in the past.
It does come with some more uniquely troubling aspects though... The one that creeps me the most is how the whole structure seems based on monetising parasocial relationships. With the bewildering price tags on that website, I can't help but feel that there's a whole lot of room for exploitation there, it's just a very different beast, you know what I mean?
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Dr.Gonzo.II]
#28087549 - 12/07/22 04:08 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The women on onlyfans are predators.
They're exploiting the loneliness of men.
You can go on social media and see the exact type of men that many of them are targeting: Gamers, nerds, people who have trouble attaining real meaningful relationships. And they are milking the money from these men by leading them on.
Furthermore; Because of the ease of it, now EVERYONE knows many women who are doing this shit. They're all promoting it on their social media. 10 years ago how many girls did I know that were doing sex work? None.
The only winners here, are 1% of the most desireable men.
The women lose, because they think they can keep doing this forever, then they'll hit 30, realise there is no market for them. No self respecting man will want them, and they end up alone with a bunch of cats.
The men lose, because either they're pathetic simps who are paying for onlyfans, or, the ones who aren't, these women don't care about them; they already have financial security, and they get to fuck 'Chad' whilst making porn for losers. But these guys fucking them, they don't care about them, they would NEVER settle with them. Because that is not what men want.
No one wins. Societal breakdown, no more reproduction. No more family.
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#28087603 - 12/07/22 04:37 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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You feel victimized by the existence of only fans?
I think onlyfans is dumb as hell and anyone who pays for it is an idiot as porn is free.
Not as big an idiot as you though.
P.S. if anyone wants to see my cock I'll send pics for $250. It's a pretty nice one.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Dr. Funtime]
#28087621 - 12/07/22 04:46 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Dr. Funtime said: You feel victimized by the existence of only fans?
I think onlyfans is dumb as hell and anyone who pays for it is an idiot as porn is free.
Not as big an idiot as you though.
Lol, you wanna come on my thread and start personally insulting me?
Despite saying you actually agree...
You're the only idiot here pal.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#28087626 - 12/07/22 04:49 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Almost all the adult websites have creator options to get paid for content. onlyfans is but one.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28087645 - 12/07/22 04:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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CreonAntigone said: And do you never use porn at all? If you do use porn at all, then respectfully this post is hypocritical. You're ok consuming the exploitation of sex workers, but you're just not ok paying. So do you think stealing the work done by sex workers is any more ethical?
I actually don't think porn is good in any way.
It's not good for the women doing it. It's not good for the men (or women) consuming it.
It makes for weak men and damaged women.
I actually find it to be kinda disgusting.
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#28087665 - 12/07/22 05:09 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Trypto-Fan said: The women on onlyfans are predators.
They're exploiting the loneliness of men.
You can go on social media and see the exact type of men that many of them are targeting: Gamers, nerds, people who have trouble attaining real meaningful relationships. And they are milking the money from these men by leading them on.
Furthermore; Because of the ease of it, now EVERYONE knows many women who are doing this shit. They're all promoting it on their social media. 10 years ago how many girls did I know that were doing sex work? None.
The only winners here, are 1% of the most desireable men.
The women lose, because they think they can keep doing this forever, then they'll hit 30, realise there is no market for them. No self respecting man will want them, and they end up alone with a bunch of cats.
The men lose, because either they're pathetic simps who are paying for onlyfans, or, the ones who aren't, these women don't care about them; they already have financial security, and they get to fuck 'Chad' whilst making porn for losers. But these guys fucking them, they don't care about them, they would NEVER settle with them. Because that is not what men want.
No one wins. Societal breakdown, no more reproduction. No more family.
You make a good point - which is that onlyfans doesn't really fix the problem of these men, their loneliness, while just taking their money and trapping them in unfulfilling parasocial relationships (as Dr. Gonzo said).
I don't see why 'the 1% of desirable men' win in this scenario though. Presumably they can fuck hot chicks whether or not these chicks do onlyfans. They dont seem to be part of this thing in my eyes.
I disagree that the women always lose. Most do because they don't make much money. Those that make a ton of money definitely win. They can invest that or pay for an education or get started in any straight non-porn career they wish for. They already learned about economics from their time using this service and are probably smarter for it, not dumber.
I think the men do lose sometimes, although the women of onlyfans did not create their desperation or their loneliness. And most people who dislike onlyfans do not provide any solution for them. They don't want to support any kind of social programs that might help men who think onlyfans is the way to go.
I don't think all use of onlyfans is exploitation of the men. There has been desire to 'buy sex' since the beginning of human history, and the demand will always be there. Does a man who pays for that service always lose out? He gets something for it, even if it is immediate gratification, so is going to a fancy restaurant. It's only really predatory if the men start getting uncomfortable social expectations, like they think they're dating the girl in question. And I do agree some creators will exploit this and that will be to the harm of the men.
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I actually don't think porn is good in any way.
It's not good for the women doing it. It's not good for the men (or women) consuming it.
It makes for weak men and damaged women.
I actually find it to be kinda disgusting.
I respect the consistency. Although, I think it will ALWAYS happen. Even the men before writing was invented whittled little statues that had big boobs, and used them for 'fertility'. If it is all bad, and maybe it is, do we ban it? Do we shun it and hope to persuade others against using it?
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#28087692 - 12/07/22 05:30 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think a man's loneliness is due to women (as a general category of people) being on OnlyFans. Also, I don't know any women who actually regret their decision. Many of them eventually change their priorities and find a man who they want to date, quite often much before the age of 35. I think much of the hate you bring up is more related to you having an opinion that the majority of people do not share with you. Friend, one day, you will find your mate. Your personal opinions may make that harder for you than it may need be. The sooner you come to celebrating women for their beauty and feeling compassion for others, the sooner you will be alleviated from a world view of people being "destroyed."
I think you should check this page out if you haven't already. I attached a male stripper interview just because it is a counterfactual to your criticism; there are plenty of other sex workers on this page-- some with tragic stories and some with celebratory stories-- all are awe-inspiring exposés of human life.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan] 8
#28088388 - 12/08/22 09:36 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Here's a tip: Stop listening to whatever incel/mra content you've been consuming, because it's making you way weirder than anyone who's paid a couple bucks to see some tits.
Seeing the world through the lens of 'chads' and 'betas' is harming far more men than any sort of sex work does.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Dr. Funtime]
#28088426 - 12/08/22 10:01 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Dr. Funtime said: You feel victimized by the existence of only fans?
I think onlyfans is dumb as hell and anyone who pays for it is an idiot as porn is free.
Not as big an idiot as you though.
P.S. if anyone wants to see my cock I'll send pics for $250. It's a pretty nice one.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Lynnch] 2
#28088681 - 12/08/22 02:10 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Lynnch said: Here's a tip: Stop listening to whatever incel/mra content you've been consuming, because it's making you way weirder than anyone who's paid a couple bucks to see some tits.
Seeing the world through the lens of 'chads' and 'betas' is harming far more men than any sort of sex work does.
I actually somewhat agree with this, and I don't consume that kind of content because of this reason. Whilst there is some truth in red-pill content, it can put a skew on the way people perceive the world, a lens as you've said, which can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I see the same effect with people who obsess over other things in society (Race, gender, etc) and then will point to these things being the reason for all their problems when it was likely other factors.
My opinions on this subject though are fully my own, and a result of this shit being shoved in my face constantly.
The fact that people have such a liberal attitude to this now reflects a change in acceptable societal values, not a change in my perception, and this is what I think is the problem, and why it's particularly insidious.
Why do you think there are so many incels / MRA / MGTOW etc these days? Certainly wasn't a thing in the 80s/90s/00s Could it perhaps be a symptom of a sick society? And when people call out the problems, this is your response.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#28088683 - 12/08/22 02:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Society is not sick. Society has enough technology now so that humanity is broadcasting to your smartphone. I appreciate your idealistic values but I also appreciate that people are going to monetize themselves; no amount of legislation is going to correct what is a fundamental human behavior.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Roflspammer]
#28088754 - 12/08/22 03:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Roflspammer said: Society is not sick. Society has enough technology now so that humanity is broadcasting to your smartphone. I appreciate your idealistic values but I also appreciate that people are going to monetize themselves; no amount of legislation is going to correct what is a fundamental human behavior.
Selling porn is not a fundamental human behaviour.
Human behaviour is heavily mediated by culture and society.
One could also claim that murder and rape are 'fundamental human behaviours', but we don't tolerate them in society, so their frequency is vastly reduced. Because these behaviours create great harm to both individuals and society as a whole.
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#28088918 - 12/08/22 04:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Selling porn and murdering are not equivalent. Murder is a definite harm. Porn is not clearly causative of loneliness. I would argue that loneliness is coming more from the individual than from external society. My evidence is that people can live in solitude for years without human contact and not feel lonely. You can feel lonely even when you're surrounded by a crowd of people in a massive city. Loneliness does not have to do with whether or not someone somewhere else who you don't know is selling porn.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#28088943 - 12/08/22 04:39 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Dr. Funtime said: You feel victimized by the existence of only fans?
I think onlyfans is dumb as hell and anyone who pays for it is an idiot as porn is free.
Not as big an idiot as you though.
Lol, you wanna come on my thread and start personally insulting me?
Despite saying you actually agree...
You're the only idiot here pal.

Just because you made a thread on a public site doesn't make you immune to criticism. If you say dumb things in public people might call you dumb.
You are saying that you have been victimized by predator women who are selling pictures of their tits and unironically using the term "chad" to refer to the men you envy.
Am I preying on you by trying to sell you a picture of my cock? Just because weirdos pay for porn even though its free doesn't mean they are being victimized.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Dr. Funtime]
#28088995 - 12/08/22 05:06 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Dr. Funtime said:
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Dr. Funtime said: You feel victimized by the existence of only fans?
I think onlyfans is dumb as hell and anyone who pays for it is an idiot as porn is free.
Not as big an idiot as you though.
Lol, you wanna come on my thread and start personally insulting me?
Despite saying you actually agree...
You're the only idiot here pal.

Just because you made a thread on a public site doesn't make you immune to criticism. If you say dumb things in public people might call you dumb.
You are saying that you have been victimized by predator women who are selling pictures of their tits and unironically using the term "chad" to refer to people women are interested in.
Am I preying on you by trying to sell you a picture of my cock? Just because weak pathetic men pay for porn doesn't mean they are being victimized.
Firstly, you're attacking a strawman. I never once claimed to be "personally victimised" by girls on onlyfans. It's pretty clear from everything else I've written here that I'm not someone who would use the site.
You've also jumped straight to ad hominem attacks, by calling me an idiot rather than constructively debating anything I've said. Both of these demonstrate low intellect, and are tactics used when people lack any valid argument.
I have no problem with criticism, and welcome it, as it may show me points of view that I've missed. But calling someone an idiot without providing any kind of reasonable counter argument to what they're saying is, idiotic. There's been other people in this thread who also disagree with me here, but they've been respectable about it. You can disagree with someone's opinion without immediately calling them names.
Now if you agree that the men who are paying for this are pathetic, we have some common ground. I think the women exploiting these men are predatory. If you don't see that, that's fine.
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#28089026 - 12/08/22 05:18 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Roflspammer said: Selling porn and murdering are not equivalent. Murder is a definite harm. Porn is not clearly causative of loneliness. I would argue that loneliness is coming more from the individual than from external society. My evidence is that people can live in solitude for years without human contact and not feel lonely. You can feel lonely even when you're surrounded by a crowd of people in a massive city. Loneliness does not have to do with whether or not someone somewhere else who you don't know is selling porn.
I never said they were equivalent.
Much of what you're saying here is objectively false.
You only need to look up the effects of solitary confinement on the psyche of a person to realise that this is all false. There is a lot of data on this, numerous studies.
I agree that people can also be lonely whilst surrounded by people. I'd say this is due to a lack of meaningful, fulfilling relationships, and technology, social media etc, is contributing to the problem. Things like onlyfans, and the commodification of sex are all a part of this issue.
The damage from something like murder is much more easily quantifiable, as there is an immediate, measurable effect. What we're discussing here is social issues, with far more factors at play.
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#28089089 - 12/08/22 05:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I really thought there would be some links in here.
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#28089636 - 12/09/22 12:14 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Trypto-Fan said: Why do you think there are so many incels / MRA / MGTOW etc these days? Certainly wasn't a thing in the 80s/90s/00s Could it perhaps be a symptom of a sick society? And when people call out the problems, this is your response.
Oh man, long story short, it's late-stage capitalism.
Folks in my generation graduated out into a recession, and then the pandemic. Options are shrinking, a lot of folks stuck working less then min wage in gig work. There are a lot more young people moving back home, which isn't great for forming relationships. When you're stuck in your parents basement with no hope for a future, why not spend 8 bucks on a fantasy for a minute? Why are girls working on onlyfans? Because it (appears to be) a quick way to make a buck, and girls gotta pay rent too.
Incels etc are a reaction to this instability/economic uncertainty, except they funnel it through misogyny to explain why their lives suck. The loneliness of men is a real issue though. Men definitely have a harder time forming close relationships. If the world felt less competitive maybe it would be easier.
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Roflspammer said: Society is not sick. Society has enough technology now so that humanity is broadcasting to your smartphone. I appreciate your idealistic values but I also appreciate that people are going to monetize themselves; no amount of legislation is going to correct what is a fundamental human behavior.
Selling porn is not a fundamental human behaviour.
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Trypto-Fan said: Selling porn is not a fundamental human behaviour.

Early porn sales cut out the middle man. There was no money, so they just went right to trading pictures of sex for sex.
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Sex work is literally the oldest profession in the book.
If women want to empower themselves sexually, who the fuck is gonna be the dumbfuck to say they can't?
Don't be a simp OP
It's totally fine to be sexually open.
Not all of us are mormons
It just sounds like jealously to me
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My evidence is that people can live in solitude for years without human contact and not feel lonely.
Very often people are blindly ignorant of their suffering.
Many folks die without ever knowing the nature of misery.
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I prefer the homemade or lesbian porn, it feels more real.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Anonymous #2]
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: oursoulsinmotion]
#28113852 - 12/27/22 10:18 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I have a close friend that makes over 200K a year, started with cam then moved to Only Fans. She is married with kids. Has sex with her husband and never on camera. I never ask what exactly she does- no judgment by me. But she has told me some things. But I know she has never met anyone and everything is a solo act. Her husband is older, retired military and he is ok with it. Its a job. She makes a killing at it.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: loladoreen]
#28113903 - 12/27/22 10:58 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Sex has been treated as a commodity for so long now and sex work is absolutely nothing new. The problem resides with how we have developed commodification of something that MUST be treated as such but also has become a whole other kind of animal.. By tht I mean, Like the issue the op has, ppl have developed a fucked relationship with sex. Either bc of their own rearing stigmatizing certain aspects or bc of the newly word associated "simp" mentality. Where now pussy has "power" and this power is held above normal man's head. Some to the point it is out of reach, or bastardized within the sense of the pussy holder knowing there is a weighted balance lying right between their legs. This develops anger and resentment towards the thing we "prize" enough so, thT individuals like op, are so incensed that they come here to post about how screwed up it is. The actual sex work is not screwed up, many of the ppl involved, however may be, but such is the status of Americans, mentally fucked... This has an effect on the people that feel the commodification has made sex aloof of them ND even elusive(when defining sex as an emotionally connected act between two ppl.) This is, in fact, quite elusive nowadays, but not simply bc of fucking Only fans. Its bc Americans minds are fuxked- each gender.. The best thing is ofc no judgement and to look at things as objectively as possible. Onlyfans is simply new age sex work, often with some of the nastier parts removed As long as these ppl realize they are, in fact, sex workers.. the ppl being entertained realizing The same (which is part of the difficulty here, I must admit, with less and less humans capable or exposed to healthy emotional connection, thereby thirsting for it through these channels-creating an unhealthy environment for what is purely physical sex work). And those not involving themselves , to without judgment realize the same, sex work has always existed and this us just the evolution thereof. The problem here like with addiction is mental health. The subscribers are, unfortunately and oftentimes, not there purely for the physical, simple, sex (work) side, they become entangled and attached to some feigned emotional connection that they are so hungry for, and causes the whole thing to seem very distasteful. But all in all it is their decisi9n, and their responsibility to their own mental health, which is surely still in decline. This decline is where we need help, not sex-shaming a million workers who have found it atleast somewhat easy to use their body and attraction to increase their wealth and make their lives a bit easier. The same reason sex work has always existed.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: ashfiken]
#28114013 - 12/27/22 12:52 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Good post. I agree. Somethings I didn't like in your post but.. they are true. There is a census that the pussy holds power.. but that is an individual thing. I have never acted like that or had a man I was in a relationship act like that. Your right it would cause major issues in any relationships as it does in society. But it is not everyone or even the majority. Even simp mentality... I think sex work should be legal. And we need to supply them with health insurance and contraceptives. Keep our world healthy. I try hard to not be judgemental but it really boils down to this puritan mindset and judging others. My friend... you would never know. But why would you stereotype that anyhow?
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: loladoreen]
#28114173 - 12/27/22 03:48 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Just ignore this guy
It sounds like my baby daddy bitching cause he is about to get his ass beat for doxing my nudes and shroomery posts to the Catholics and then getting fucked by rifka to try and keep the family secrets.
Such a hot mess.
I CANT HELP WHO I AM FOLKS. LITERALLY TESLA IS NOTHING BUT A GAY WOMAN BEATING CONTROLLING BREEDER AND I HAVE FOUND 9 kids so far I did not previously know about.
How many are left?
GOD DAMN IT JESSIE JAMES LANGFORD. YOU KNOW WHERE I FUCKING LIVE. YOU GONNA DO WHATS RIGHT FOR WILDER EVE OLLIE JO AND SHY OR WHAT
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Jewstress]
#28114351 - 12/27/22 06:03 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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...Wuh?
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#28114859 - 12/28/22 09:02 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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soya munching betas. real men keep their dignity. women rightly abuse the soyboys. shekels for desperation. no matter how much money a beta hands to a woman she will always leave for an alpha, who she will then seek to change, or a sigma who will do what he pleases and no doubt has a string of girls trying to get back with him. sigmas also only support their woman while she behaves, and only for reproductive purposes. any transgression and she is out. no fear of solitude is the sigma way.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: drspastic] 1
#28114878 - 12/28/22 09:23 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Man that crap sounds good but it is definitely crap, these theories are made by and for soft-drink chugging, bald-spot-on-the-arm-hair wearing ninnies.
Cynicism seems the new naive sincerity, it's been reverse engineered, repackaged a billion different ways, and resold to us by coke-banging hooker-snorting marketeers since before any of us ever had the chance to develop the faculties required for critical analysis.
At the very least, from where I'm at, absurdism is more fun than nihilism. Thank you.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#28115118 - 12/28/22 01:09 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Trypto-Fan said: That and social media narcissism.
Who are the men paying for this shit?
If you're one of them, you're a pathetic POS and need to get a grip.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#28115417 - 12/28/22 05:33 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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"That and social media narcissism.
Who are the men paying for this shit?
If you're one of them, you're a pathetic POS and need to get a grip."
Obviously they have a grip and are doing just fine without anyone's judgement. Why do you care?
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: loladoreen]
#28116086 - 12/29/22 08:15 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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loladoreen said: Good post. I agree. Somethings I didn't like in your post but.. they are true. There is a census that the pussy holds power.. but that is an individual thing. I have never acted like that or had a man I was in a relationship act like that. Your right it would cause major issues in any relationships as it does in society. But it is not everyone or even the majority. Even simp mentality... I think sex work should be legal. And we need to supply them with health insurance and contraceptives. Keep our world healthy. I try hard to not be judgemental but it really boils down to this puritan mindset and judging others. My friend... you would never know. But why would you stereotype that anyhow?
It's like anything right, it's just a generality or general rule, plenty of folks live outside of this mentality. Ofc. I'd argue it's edging ever closer to a majority though, when I look around. Even miserable married fellows with this same mentality, masked and covered, by a relationship that exists to only cover the most basic checkboxes in life. Sad really.
Fortunately I think you mention3d in some thread you are a boomer?? So your age has helped you avoid this pseudo systemic social-sexual frailty that has become the burden of the more recent generations especially. Some of this subject matter is, in fact, quite crude and I apologize. I just know that without tickling the truth there can't be any reasonable discussion on any subject matter. The truth being declining mental health of Americans for a variety of reasons, with some real fucked sociological outcomes on the account of that, with drug use, emotional dissatisfaction, and an unhealthy relationship with sex being just a few of the issues seeming to arise.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: ashfiken] 1
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I am not a boomer. My parents are boomers LOL I am Gen X Don't do stereotypes..when you stereotype you feed the stereotypes and keep people in boxes.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: loladoreen]
#28116562 - 12/29/22 05:27 PM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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Oh not trying to categorize you or anything I just thought I saw a post with your age that put you in that generation. Hoping you may have been more aloof than many from the sex rhetoric that the young folks deal with now.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan] 1
#28117135 - 12/30/22 06:07 AM (1 year, 29 days ago) |
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Roflspammer said: Selling porn and murdering are not equivalent. Murder is a definite harm. Porn is not clearly causative of loneliness. I would argue that loneliness is coming more from the individual than from external society. My evidence is that people can live in solitude for years without human contact and not feel lonely. You can feel lonely even when you're surrounded by a crowd of people in a massive city. Loneliness does not have to do with whether or not someone somewhere else who you don't know is selling porn.
I never said they were equivalent.
Much of what you're saying here is objectively false.
You only need to look up the effects of solitary confinement on the psyche of a person to realise that this is all false. There is a lot of data on this, numerous studies.
I agree that people can also be lonely whilst surrounded by people. I'd say this is due to a lack of meaningful, fulfilling relationships, and technology, social media etc, is contributing to the problem. Things like onlyfans, and the commodification of sex are all a part of this issue.
The damage from something like murder is much more easily quantifiable, as there is an immediate, measurable effect. What we're discussing here is social issues, with far more factors at play.
Just like to point out that a lot of the torture of solitary confinement comes from lack of all stimulus, not from lack of socialization. Solitary confinement isn't just not talking to people. It's also not seeing anything new, eating the same flavorless food every day, and sitting in the same featureless cell all day.
The extreme version is called white room torture, where not only is everything painted a flat white, but meals arrive at irregular intervals, lights switch on an off at irregular intervals, etc. To completely break the circadian rhythms. Not only do you remove all external stimuli, but you also directly destroy internal stimuli.
As for OP topic: correlation does not equal causation. Pretty sure that OF is a symptom of the same problem that has created a generation of disaffected individuals who see no point. Most young people I talk to routinely joke about suicide, personally know a suicide victim or two, and have grown up in a society where a Columbine-level shooting is just another day. (US perspective). There is no hope for the future. I've had people laugh at me for investing, because they fully expect the world to end in the next 20-30 years.
There is a reason that YOLO became a thing a while back. At first, it was kind of a cheeky way to explain away dumb shit, but now it seems to be the norm. It's a giant, societal, "let us live today, for tomorrow we die". Like every night before the epic battle scene in movies where everyone is getting drunk as shit, since the main characters aren't supposed to be aware of plot armor.
So I don't really see a point categorizing OF/sex work as something that is good or bad. It is. You don't have to participate, I don't, but you won't be able to stop it unless you fix the other problems. As a matter of fact, it's not really a problem that requires fixing. It's a side effect of problems that will require fixing, if society is to continue. Just like redpill bullshit.
None of this appears out of nowhere. Someone realized that there was a need in the market, and they exploited that need. The need is the same everywhere: meaning, connection, feeling like one has control over their life and an impact in the world. Shit that is now so heavily regulated and monetized that it is becoming prohibitively expensive. Which makes sense. It's basic capitalism. Corner the market, raise the price. That is what you do. That is how it works. The fact that a growing portion of the population can no longer afford the price is irrelevant.
Well, it is socially relevant, but it is irrelevant to the people that own society. And a second group of people have popped up exploiting those who can no longer afford the services of the first group of people. Redpill pushers, OF models, etc.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Kryptos]
#28117154 - 12/30/22 06:44 AM (1 year, 29 days ago) |
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Another thought: one of those weird trends that you do not expect, is that luxury sales go up during recessions.
Similarly, poor people are constantly shat on for having the latest iPhone/TV/whatever.
What does this tell you?
People that find themselves in unstable situations try to find comfort wherever they can. When you're about to lose your job, livelihood, and maybe even identity (since jobs are often tied to identity), you buy yourself something a little fancy to take the edge off.
When you know that you are fucked, and will continue to be fucked, well, it better to be fucked and have a new TV. That money is gonna disappear anyway. Especially since being poor is super expensive. The price of a TV won't pay off your debts. It takes a lot of planning and financial knowledge to pay off significant debt, the kind of knowledge that is clearly lacking if you got into debt to begin with. And yeah, maybe a lot of it is basic common sense, but that's probably because you've learned not only the relevant knowledge, but also HOW TO ACQUIRE that knowledge. Back when I did social work, 90% of the job was literally explaining to people what paperwork they needed to fill out and how to fill it out. Where to sign, what to initial, that type of thing.
It's not directly relevant, but it is the same live today for tomorrow we die mindset.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Kryptos] 3
#28117344 - 12/30/22 10:50 AM (1 year, 29 days ago) |
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I’ve been reading this thread with interest.
I’ve got 24 years as a provider in the realm of adult services. I’ve watched as things have morphed over time.
I can say that not all “sex work” is equal. The “industry” as it’s often referred to, or “sex trade” is not a singular thing which can be easily described. There is a spectrum of circumstances, motives, vocations, cultures within cultures, different markets different economies, etc.
The people who sell as well as the people who buy what’s being sold are all over the spectrum as far as circumstances and motives.
There are predators and bad actors amongst both buyers and sellers.
Some provide because they feel they have no other options (could be true), some provide because they actually want to do the work. Within all this there are various motives. I can only speak for myself regarding my motives. I can make observations.
There is a healthy parameter for erotic services. I don’t believe this parameter exists online or with the vast majority of pornography as unpopular as that opinion might be with many of my peers. The “findoms” and some amongst the “sugar babies” which appeared with the rise in popularity of social media, aren’t it either.
Some of these accounts exist for the sole purpose of con artistry taking advantage of people (namely men). Some of them are men posing as women btw. They even justify it by stating their targets “asked for it” “consented to it”. Ironic if you think about it. If men stated such a thing they’d be crucified.
“Sex work” I prefer “erotic services” consists of all sorts of vocations. Some are strictly online with nothing ever being face to face. Some of the work is legal, some of the work is criminalized. Some of it involves in person sex, some is strictly performance, some of it is only media based, phone based, online only, etc.
There is a population of people providing various erotic services (including prostitution) because of life circumstances (addiction, poverty, homelessness, criminal record that blocks employment). Many amongst those who feel it’s the best option they have to earn any living, often end up resenting their clients. They’d be doing something else if they could, they wouldn’t do the work they’re doing were it not for circumstances. This ends up unhealthy for both providers and buyers, unhealthy for society.
This population is vastly larger than the number of people actually being forced against their will by another person. when force/fraud/coercion is involved, this is sex trafficking.
I’ve observed people who resent providing (even though they did it of their own volition) end up claiming they were trafficked. No one actually trafficked them, but they equate their negative experience with being forced. It was circumstance which forced them. With deeper scrutiny we might find that amongst these people, some aren’t acknowledging their own responsibility in the situation. This isn’t trafficking as much as a variety of anti sex work NGO’s want it to be and even claim as much. These NGO’s have spent billions over the last two decades trying to convince the public that all erotic services is trafficking.
People old enough can remember when law enforcement engaged in “prostitution stings” announced on the news outlets. Today, all prostitution stings are called trafficking investigations. Most of the investigations touted as such are actually prostitution stings involving adults seeking adults. Mostly consensual workers. The public wrongly believes something is being done about trafficking. Law enforcement can’t generate the same amount in revenue going after traffickers as compared to arresting consenting adults engaging in prostitution. Folks should go look at the DOJ crime data and do the math. Including the amount of funding given to law enforcement up against how many trafficking cases and prostitution arrests.
Sex is a core human issue. It is extremely important. Humans are still wrestling with it. The species evolves but it’s not always good. Humans tend to go to extremes. The sex part of the human puzzle is pretty messed up on a cultural level.
The sex trades are a mirror of the culture. All of a culture’s secrets bad (and some are good) are carried by erotic service providers. The way a society treats this population says a lot about that society.
The sex trades exist for a variety of reasons, including reasons which don’t get consideration. Like an individual person- a society can collectively be living in denial.
During the two decades plus that I facilitated for people as an erotic service provider, I had access to literally thousands of people. I specialized in couples work. Trust me- you can’t imagine what my work consisted of. Whatever you might imagine will be based in whatever you think you know. You’d be wrong. That’s ok. I’m just telling you.
What I learned from close observation of the humans I experienced with was fascinating. There’s no university which could have afforded me such an education. (I think university education is highly overrated). Jung and I could’ve had a field day I’m sure.
My motive was to create and hold space for each person/couple in their process of exploring their own sexual psyche. A truly safe space. The way I’ve seen it- sacred space. Total vulnerability with total surrender of fears.
There’s all sorts of work going on in the realm of erotic services.
While simultaneously, you’ll find the worst traits of humanity. Of course. Because sex is at the very heart of the human condition.
That was my stream of consciousness (😆) while drinking coffee and waking up this morning lol
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Anonymous #3]
#28151392 - 01/22/23 01:33 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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OP, So youre upset that people are monetizing their assets but you dont have access to them?
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
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BeefSupremeJr said: OP, So youre upset that people are monetizing their assets but you dont have access to them?
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#28151962 - 01/22/23 11:03 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28154039 - 01/23/23 03:10 PM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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Your only 'argument' is to make up a fake scenario in your own mind, and then attempt to project that onto me.
Anyone has access to those 'assets' That's my whole point.
Are you butthurt that a guy on the internet is criticising your pr0n Did you take it as a personal attack?
It's not a personal attack. Don't worry. It's my own opinion on the commodifiaction of sex. Don't take it to heart.
You do you.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Anonymous #3]
#28154078 - 01/23/23 03:30 PM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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Anonymous #3 said: I’ve been reading this thread with interest.
I’ve got 24 years as a provider in the realm of adult services. I’ve watched as things have morphed over time.
I can say that not all “sex work” is equal. The “industry” as it’s often referred to, or “sex trade” is not a singular thing which can be easily described. There is a spectrum of circumstances, motives, vocations, cultures within cultures, different markets different economies, etc.
The people who sell as well as the people who buy what’s being sold are all over the spectrum as far as circumstances and motives.
There are predators and bad actors amongst both buyers and sellers.
Some provide because they feel they have no other options (could be true), some provide because they actually want to do the work. Within all this there are various motives. I can only speak for myself regarding my motives. I can make observations.
There is a healthy parameter for erotic services. I don’t believe this parameter exists online or with the vast majority of pornography as unpopular as that opinion might be with many of my peers. The “findoms” and some amongst the “sugar babies” which appeared with the rise in popularity of social media, aren’t it either.
Some of these accounts exist for the sole purpose of con artistry taking advantage of people (namely men). Some of them are men posing as women btw. They even justify it by stating their targets “asked for it” “consented to it”. Ironic if you think about it. If men stated such a thing they’d be crucified.
“Sex work” I prefer “erotic services” consists of all sorts of vocations. Some are strictly online with nothing ever being face to face. Some of the work is legal, some of the work is criminalized. Some of it involves in person sex, some is strictly performance, some of it is only media based, phone based, online only, etc.
There is a population of people providing various erotic services (including prostitution) because of life circumstances (addiction, poverty, homelessness, criminal record that blocks employment). Many amongst those who feel it’s the best option they have to earn any living, often end up resenting their clients. They’d be doing something else if they could, they wouldn’t do the work they’re doing were it not for circumstances. This ends up unhealthy for both providers and buyers, unhealthy for society.
This population is vastly larger than the number of people actually being forced against their will by another person. when force/fraud/coercion is involved, this is sex trafficking.
I’ve observed people who resent providing (even though they did it of their own volition) end up claiming they were trafficked. No one actually trafficked them, but they equate their negative experience with being forced. It was circumstance which forced them. With deeper scrutiny we might find that amongst these people, some aren’t acknowledging their own responsibility in the situation. This isn’t trafficking as much as a variety of anti sex work NGO’s want it to be and even claim as much. These NGO’s have spent billions over the last two decades trying to convince the public that all erotic services is trafficking.
People old enough can remember when law enforcement engaged in “prostitution stings” announced on the news outlets. Today, all prostitution stings are called trafficking investigations. Most of the investigations touted as such are actually prostitution stings involving adults seeking adults. Mostly consensual workers. The public wrongly believes something is being done about trafficking. Law enforcement can’t generate the same amount in revenue going after traffickers as compared to arresting consenting adults engaging in prostitution. Folks should go look at the DOJ crime data and do the math. Including the amount of funding given to law enforcement up against how many trafficking cases and prostitution arrests.
Sex is a core human issue. It is extremely important. Humans are still wrestling with it. The species evolves but it’s not always good. Humans tend to go to extremes. The sex part of the human puzzle is pretty messed up on a cultural level.
The sex trades are a mirror of the culture. All of a culture’s secrets bad (and some are good) are carried by erotic service providers. The way a society treats this population says a lot about that society.
The sex trades exist for a variety of reasons, including reasons which don’t get consideration. Like an individual person- a society can collectively be living in denial.
During the two decades plus that I facilitated for people as an erotic service provider, I had access to literally thousands of people. I specialized in couples work. Trust me- you can’t imagine what my work consisted of. Whatever you might imagine will be based in whatever you think you know. You’d be wrong. That’s ok. I’m just telling you.
What I learned from close observation of the humans I experienced with was fascinating. There’s no university which could have afforded me such an education. (I think university education is highly overrated). Jung and I could’ve had a field day I’m sure.
My motive was to create and hold space for each person/couple in their process of exploring their own sexual psyche. A truly safe space. The way I’ve seen it- sacred space. Total vulnerability with total surrender of fears.
There’s all sorts of work going on in the realm of erotic services.
While simultaneously, you’ll find the worst traits of humanity. Of course. Because sex is at the very heart of the human condition.
That was my stream of consciousness (😆) while drinking coffee and waking up this morning lol
This was a great thought provoking post. Thank you for your input.
I agree that not all sex work is equal, but my aversion to it as a whole stems from something more deeper and fundamental, to the principal of sex / love being viewed as something transactional.
Indulging in porn and the like, may bring people some short term pleasure, but it's not fulfilling or self sustaining in the way a loving relationship can be, and in many cases can be exploitative.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
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I agree that not all sex work is equal, but my aversion to it as a whole stems from something more deeper and fundamental, to the principal of sex / love being viewed as something transactional.
Indulging in porn and the like, may bring people some short term pleasure, but it's not fulfilling or self sustaining in the way a loving relationship can be . . .
Aren't many humans needs transactional? Obtaining food and shelter is transactional.
I have a good buddy (we met three decades ago) who has recently been talking a lot to me about committing suicide. He has become more and more physically and socially isolated over the years. He lives alone in a beautiful large home in the mountains. His last intimate relationship was about 12 years ago.
He's so damaged and emotionally crippled from this isolation he can't even handle going for a massage. It's short sighted to equate human contact with sex. He is totally unable to cultivate & maintain a relationship. He has a lot of difficulty even shopping for groceries.
When you are dying of dehydration, you don't need an ice-cream milkshake
Human contact is at the heart of the human condition - not sex
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i also took logic and langage classes. Your opinion is cringe and incel. No offense and i totally see where youre coming from im just telling you the way it sounds. calling women "predators" sounds so cringe.
i stand by my original statement which--is more of a red herring than a straw man btw-- that every organism on the face of the planet is capitalizing on every resource available as a means of survival. assering some kind of moral higher ground just makes you sound like a walking fedora.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28155598 - 01/24/23 01:59 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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I agree that not all sex work is equal, but my aversion to it as a whole stems from something more deeper and fundamental, to the principal of sex / love being viewed as something transactional.
Indulging in porn and the like, may bring people some short term pleasure, but it's not fulfilling or self sustaining in the way a loving relationship can be . . .
Aren't many humans needs transactional? Obtaining food and shelter is transactional.
I have a good buddy (we met three decades ago) who has recently been talking a lot to me about committing suicide. He has become more and more physically and socially isolated over the years. He lives alone in a beautiful large home in the mountains. His last intimate relationship was about 12 years ago.
He's so damaged and emotionally crippled from this isolation he can't even handle going for a massage. It's short sighted to equate human contact with sex. He is totally unable to cultivate & maintain a relationship. He has a lot of difficulty even shopping for groceries.
When you are dying of dehydration, you don't need an ice-cream milkshake
Human contact is at the heart of the human condition - not sex
I agree. Human contact is essential.
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#28155713 - 01/24/23 02:58 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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RJ Tubs 202 said:
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Trypto-Fan said:
I agree that not all sex work is equal, but my aversion to it as a whole stems from something more deeper and fundamental, to the principal of sex / love being viewed as something transactional.
Indulging in porn and the like, may bring people some short term pleasure, but it's not fulfilling or self sustaining in the way a loving relationship can be . . .
Aren't many humans needs transactional? Obtaining food and shelter is transactional.
I have a good buddy (we met three decades ago) who has recently been talking a lot to me about committing suicide. He has become more and more physically and socially isolated over the years. He lives alone in a beautiful large home in the mountains. His last intimate relationship was about 12 years ago.
He's so damaged and emotionally crippled from this isolation he can't even handle going for a massage. It's short sighted to equate human contact with sex. He is totally unable to cultivate & maintain a relationship. He has a lot of difficulty even shopping for groceries.
When you are dying of dehydration, you don't need an ice-cream milkshake
Human contact is at the heart of the human condition - not sex
One acid trip many years ago, ushered me to the fact and simplicity of 4 things all humans need to live and be healthy...
Food Water Warmth Affection
I see your "contact" in lieu of affection. And I believe you to be spot on. So many ppl crave the much needed affection that we end up with warped desires and kind of new age anomalies like onlyfans
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
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True- it’s not long term sustainable (erotic services), but depending on the situation it sure can help get a person through until they do establish something which is sustainable. Or it may be what keeps a person from going totally crazy. Some people aren’t interested in having a committed relationship.
It may seem crazy but there’s more than a few marriages that were saved because at some point a partner stepped outside and got what they needed (yes needed)- they didn’t even necessarily want to- but had they not done so things would have deteriorated to a point it wouldn’t have been tolerable. They didn’t want to have an emotionally committed relationship beyond their partner so an erotic service provider is the option. I had clients who deeply loved their partners but the partner wasn’t able to (or wouldn’t) give them the contact they needed for various reasons, but they didn’t want to abandon their partner over it.
Humans are complicated.
What a world, eh??
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: BeefSupremeJr]
#28157665 - 01/25/23 09:01 PM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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BeefSupremeJr said: i also took logic and langage classes. Your opinion is cringe and incel. No offense and i totally see where youre coming from im just telling you the way it sounds. calling women "predators" sounds so cringe.
i stand by my original statement which--is more of a red herring than a straw man btw-- that every organism on the face of the planet is capitalizing on every resource available as a means of survival. assering some kind of moral higher ground just makes you sound like a walking fedora.
There are women who are predators including those operating in the erotic services trades.
A couple of famous examples- Cardi B bragging about drugging and even raping men when she was a stripper. When this story broke it was gross seeing all the women who were justifying and cheering it. “Whatever you gotta do to pay the rent” “men exploit women so it’s ok for women to exploit men” was some of it.
The stripper ring in NYC that was drugging men and charging thousands to their credit cards was made into a movie. Women drugging men and stealing from them is apparently the new feminist mantra for some?
All the “fin dommes” who so often are man hating con artists. I see many of them rage about capitalism but they’re just as cut throat and greedy about money as a Wall Street trader or multinational corporation CEO. The entire “Fin domme” Schtick is about objectifying and exploiting men. It’s been like a cancer attached to the erotic services trades. It’s gross.
Female predators exist. I’m a woman and I’ve had women try to prey on me. Successfully until I opened my eyes to the reality.
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#28158123 - 01/26/23 10:22 AM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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So many ppl crave the much needed affection that we end up with warped desires and kind of new age anomalies like onlyfans

And other warped desires (love that term!) such as insatiable cravings for food, video games, drugs, alcohol, gambling, etc. The hungry ghost concept (in Buddhism and Chinese traditional religion) really sheds light on this aspect of human suffering.
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RJ Tubs 202 said: And other warped desires (love that term!) such as insatiable cravings for food, video games, drugs, alcohol, gambling, etc.
A great article on "supernormal stimuli" a.k.a. "superstimuli:"
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Jq73GozjsuhdwMLEG/superstimuli-and-the-collapse-of-western-civilization
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A great article on "supernormal stimuli" a.k.a. "superstimuli:"
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/Jq73GozjsuhdwMLEG/superstimuli-and-the-collapse-of-western-civilization
Really good article!
One segment made me pause and ponder
Resisting any temptation takes conscious expenditure of an exhaustible supply of mental energy. It is not in fact true that we can "just say no" - not just say no, without cost to ourselves.
This implies (at some point) there might be such a thing as an "irresistible desire". I'm not sure I agree with that. It feels like the popularized 12 Step concept that certain unique people are "powerless". This is Step #1 in every program.
Deciding to not engage in a behavior takes something called "mental energy"?
Choosing to not rise from the couch & go eat ice cream takes "mental energy"?
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#28161445 - 01/28/23 02:17 PM (1 year, 4 hours ago) |
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Science shows that, in fact, it does.
There was a study done, where they took two groups of people and put them in a room with cookies. One group was allowed to eat the cookies, the other was given horseradish to eat and had to look at the cookies.
Then both groups were assigned a difficult/impossible puzzle. Those that ate the horseradish were significantly less persistent in trying to solve the puzzle, and gave up earlier.
You see aspects of this in real life, too. You resisted the candy aisle, but can you resist the candy display by the cashier?
Similarly, you see people make less healthy choices when they are tired. Ever find yourself ordering a pizza after a long day or work instead of cooking?
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Kryptos]
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This has all been a really interesting read. Thanks all
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