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Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. 3
#28087494 - 12/07/22 03:18 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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That and social media narcissism.
Who are the men paying for this shit?
If you're one of them, you're a pathetic POS and need to get a grip.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#28087505 - 12/07/22 03:31 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Onlyfans is only better than the porn we had in place before which involved severe exploitation of the actors involved, often they got very little of the profits of their work and suffered horrible conditions.
Onlyfans is self-made porn, giving the actors some say in how they work, and a larger cut. There are still people who exploit sex workers ('pimp') on onlyfans but it is much less. I call that a marginal improvement.
So how is onlyfans evil when the thing it is replacing, industry porn, is much worse? And do you never use porn at all? If you do use porn at all, then respectfully this post is hypocritical. You're ok consuming the exploitation of sex workers, but you're just not ok paying. So do you think stealing the work done by sex workers is any more ethical?
As for the general idea that we should ban sex work, I disagree. We should be more like Amsterdam. People will pay for sex always, so we can either regulate it and protect sex workers, or allow it to happen illegally.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28087510 - 12/07/22 03:38 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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It's certainly part of a general trend towards improvement in that space, hard to deny that shit has been pretty rough there in the past.
It does come with some more uniquely troubling aspects though... The one that creeps me the most is how the whole structure seems based on monetising parasocial relationships. With the bewildering price tags on that website, I can't help but feel that there's a whole lot of room for exploitation there, it's just a very different beast, you know what I mean?
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Dr.Gonzo.II]
#28087549 - 12/07/22 04:08 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The women on onlyfans are predators.
They're exploiting the loneliness of men.
You can go on social media and see the exact type of men that many of them are targeting: Gamers, nerds, people who have trouble attaining real meaningful relationships. And they are milking the money from these men by leading them on.
Furthermore; Because of the ease of it, now EVERYONE knows many women who are doing this shit. They're all promoting it on their social media. 10 years ago how many girls did I know that were doing sex work? None.
The only winners here, are 1% of the most desireable men.
The women lose, because they think they can keep doing this forever, then they'll hit 30, realise there is no market for them. No self respecting man will want them, and they end up alone with a bunch of cats.
The men lose, because either they're pathetic simps who are paying for onlyfans, or, the ones who aren't, these women don't care about them; they already have financial security, and they get to fuck 'Chad' whilst making porn for losers. But these guys fucking them, they don't care about them, they would NEVER settle with them. Because that is not what men want.
No one wins. Societal breakdown, no more reproduction. No more family.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan] 6
#28087603 - 12/07/22 04:37 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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You feel victimized by the existence of only fans?
I think onlyfans is dumb as hell and anyone who pays for it is an idiot as porn is free.
Not as big an idiot as you though.
P.S. if anyone wants to see my cock I'll send pics for $250. It's a pretty nice one.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Dr. Funtime]
#28087621 - 12/07/22 04:46 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Dr. Funtime said: You feel victimized by the existence of only fans?
I think onlyfans is dumb as hell and anyone who pays for it is an idiot as porn is free.
Not as big an idiot as you though.
Lol, you wanna come on my thread and start personally insulting me?
Despite saying you actually agree...
You're the only idiot here pal.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#28087626 - 12/07/22 04:49 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Almost all the adult websites have creator options to get paid for content. onlyfans is but one.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: CreonAntigone]
#28087645 - 12/07/22 04:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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CreonAntigone said: And do you never use porn at all? If you do use porn at all, then respectfully this post is hypocritical. You're ok consuming the exploitation of sex workers, but you're just not ok paying. So do you think stealing the work done by sex workers is any more ethical?
I actually don't think porn is good in any way.
It's not good for the women doing it. It's not good for the men (or women) consuming it.
It makes for weak men and damaged women.
I actually find it to be kinda disgusting.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan] 1
#28087665 - 12/07/22 05:09 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Trypto-Fan said: The women on onlyfans are predators.
They're exploiting the loneliness of men.
You can go on social media and see the exact type of men that many of them are targeting: Gamers, nerds, people who have trouble attaining real meaningful relationships. And they are milking the money from these men by leading them on.
Furthermore; Because of the ease of it, now EVERYONE knows many women who are doing this shit. They're all promoting it on their social media. 10 years ago how many girls did I know that were doing sex work? None.
The only winners here, are 1% of the most desireable men.
The women lose, because they think they can keep doing this forever, then they'll hit 30, realise there is no market for them. No self respecting man will want them, and they end up alone with a bunch of cats.
The men lose, because either they're pathetic simps who are paying for onlyfans, or, the ones who aren't, these women don't care about them; they already have financial security, and they get to fuck 'Chad' whilst making porn for losers. But these guys fucking them, they don't care about them, they would NEVER settle with them. Because that is not what men want.
No one wins. Societal breakdown, no more reproduction. No more family.
You make a good point - which is that onlyfans doesn't really fix the problem of these men, their loneliness, while just taking their money and trapping them in unfulfilling parasocial relationships (as Dr. Gonzo said).
I don't see why 'the 1% of desirable men' win in this scenario though. Presumably they can fuck hot chicks whether or not these chicks do onlyfans. They dont seem to be part of this thing in my eyes.
I disagree that the women always lose. Most do because they don't make much money. Those that make a ton of money definitely win. They can invest that or pay for an education or get started in any straight non-porn career they wish for. They already learned about economics from their time using this service and are probably smarter for it, not dumber.
I think the men do lose sometimes, although the women of onlyfans did not create their desperation or their loneliness. And most people who dislike onlyfans do not provide any solution for them. They don't want to support any kind of social programs that might help men who think onlyfans is the way to go.
I don't think all use of onlyfans is exploitation of the men. There has been desire to 'buy sex' since the beginning of human history, and the demand will always be there. Does a man who pays for that service always lose out? He gets something for it, even if it is immediate gratification, so is going to a fancy restaurant. It's only really predatory if the men start getting uncomfortable social expectations, like they think they're dating the girl in question. And I do agree some creators will exploit this and that will be to the harm of the men.
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I actually don't think porn is good in any way.
It's not good for the women doing it. It's not good for the men (or women) consuming it.
It makes for weak men and damaged women.
I actually find it to be kinda disgusting.
I respect the consistency. Although, I think it will ALWAYS happen. Even the men before writing was invented whittled little statues that had big boobs, and used them for 'fertility'. If it is all bad, and maybe it is, do we ban it? Do we shun it and hope to persuade others against using it?
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: CreonAntigone] 1
#28087692 - 12/07/22 05:30 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I don't think a man's loneliness is due to women (as a general category of people) being on OnlyFans. Also, I don't know any women who actually regret their decision. Many of them eventually change their priorities and find a man who they want to date, quite often much before the age of 35. I think much of the hate you bring up is more related to you having an opinion that the majority of people do not share with you. Friend, one day, you will find your mate. Your personal opinions may make that harder for you than it may need be. The sooner you come to celebrating women for their beauty and feeling compassion for others, the sooner you will be alleviated from a world view of people being "destroyed."
I think you should check this page out if you haven't already. I attached a male stripper interview just because it is a counterfactual to your criticism; there are plenty of other sex workers on this page-- some with tragic stories and some with celebratory stories-- all are awe-inspiring exposés of human life.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan] 8
#28088388 - 12/08/22 09:36 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Here's a tip: Stop listening to whatever incel/mra content you've been consuming, because it's making you way weirder than anyone who's paid a couple bucks to see some tits.
Seeing the world through the lens of 'chads' and 'betas' is harming far more men than any sort of sex work does.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Dr. Funtime]
#28088426 - 12/08/22 10:01 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Dr. Funtime said: You feel victimized by the existence of only fans?
I think onlyfans is dumb as hell and anyone who pays for it is an idiot as porn is free.
Not as big an idiot as you though.
P.S. if anyone wants to see my cock I'll send pics for $250. It's a pretty nice one.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Lynnch] 2
#28088681 - 12/08/22 02:10 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Lynnch said: Here's a tip: Stop listening to whatever incel/mra content you've been consuming, because it's making you way weirder than anyone who's paid a couple bucks to see some tits.
Seeing the world through the lens of 'chads' and 'betas' is harming far more men than any sort of sex work does.
I actually somewhat agree with this, and I don't consume that kind of content because of this reason. Whilst there is some truth in red-pill content, it can put a skew on the way people perceive the world, a lens as you've said, which can become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I see the same effect with people who obsess over other things in society (Race, gender, etc) and then will point to these things being the reason for all their problems when it was likely other factors.
My opinions on this subject though are fully my own, and a result of this shit being shoved in my face constantly.
The fact that people have such a liberal attitude to this now reflects a change in acceptable societal values, not a change in my perception, and this is what I think is the problem, and why it's particularly insidious.
Why do you think there are so many incels / MRA / MGTOW etc these days? Certainly wasn't a thing in the 80s/90s/00s Could it perhaps be a symptom of a sick society? And when people call out the problems, this is your response.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#28088683 - 12/08/22 02:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Society is not sick. Society has enough technology now so that humanity is broadcasting to your smartphone. I appreciate your idealistic values but I also appreciate that people are going to monetize themselves; no amount of legislation is going to correct what is a fundamental human behavior.
Edited by Roflspammer (12/08/22 02:30 PM)
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Roflspammer]
#28088754 - 12/08/22 03:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Roflspammer said: Society is not sick. Society has enough technology now so that humanity is broadcasting to your smartphone. I appreciate your idealistic values but I also appreciate that people are going to monetize themselves; no amount of legislation is going to correct what is a fundamental human behavior.
Selling porn is not a fundamental human behaviour.
Human behaviour is heavily mediated by culture and society.
One could also claim that murder and rape are 'fundamental human behaviours', but we don't tolerate them in society, so their frequency is vastly reduced. Because these behaviours create great harm to both individuals and society as a whole.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan] 2
#28088918 - 12/08/22 04:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Selling porn and murdering are not equivalent. Murder is a definite harm. Porn is not clearly causative of loneliness. I would argue that loneliness is coming more from the individual than from external society. My evidence is that people can live in solitude for years without human contact and not feel lonely. You can feel lonely even when you're surrounded by a crowd of people in a massive city. Loneliness does not have to do with whether or not someone somewhere else who you don't know is selling porn.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#28088943 - 12/08/22 04:39 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Trypto-Fan said:
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Dr. Funtime said: You feel victimized by the existence of only fans?
I think onlyfans is dumb as hell and anyone who pays for it is an idiot as porn is free.
Not as big an idiot as you though.
Lol, you wanna come on my thread and start personally insulting me?
Despite saying you actually agree...
You're the only idiot here pal.

Just because you made a thread on a public site doesn't make you immune to criticism. If you say dumb things in public people might call you dumb.
You are saying that you have been victimized by predator women who are selling pictures of their tits and unironically using the term "chad" to refer to the men you envy.
Am I preying on you by trying to sell you a picture of my cock? Just because weirdos pay for porn even though its free doesn't mean they are being victimized.
Edited by Dr. Funtime (12/08/22 04:54 PM)
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Dr. Funtime]
#28088995 - 12/08/22 05:06 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Dr. Funtime said:
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Trypto-Fan said:
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Dr. Funtime said: You feel victimized by the existence of only fans?
I think onlyfans is dumb as hell and anyone who pays for it is an idiot as porn is free.
Not as big an idiot as you though.
Lol, you wanna come on my thread and start personally insulting me?
Despite saying you actually agree...
You're the only idiot here pal.

Just because you made a thread on a public site doesn't make you immune to criticism. If you say dumb things in public people might call you dumb.
You are saying that you have been victimized by predator women who are selling pictures of their tits and unironically using the term "chad" to refer to people women are interested in.
Am I preying on you by trying to sell you a picture of my cock? Just because weak pathetic men pay for porn doesn't mean they are being victimized.
Firstly, you're attacking a strawman. I never once claimed to be "personally victimised" by girls on onlyfans. It's pretty clear from everything else I've written here that I'm not someone who would use the site.
You've also jumped straight to ad hominem attacks, by calling me an idiot rather than constructively debating anything I've said. Both of these demonstrate low intellect, and are tactics used when people lack any valid argument.
I have no problem with criticism, and welcome it, as it may show me points of view that I've missed. But calling someone an idiot without providing any kind of reasonable counter argument to what they're saying is, idiotic. There's been other people in this thread who also disagree with me here, but they've been respectable about it. You can disagree with someone's opinion without immediately calling them names.
Now if you agree that the men who are paying for this are pathetic, we have some common ground. I think the women exploiting these men are predatory. If you don't see that, that's fine.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Roflspammer] 2
#28089026 - 12/08/22 05:18 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Roflspammer said: Selling porn and murdering are not equivalent. Murder is a definite harm. Porn is not clearly causative of loneliness. I would argue that loneliness is coming more from the individual than from external society. My evidence is that people can live in solitude for years without human contact and not feel lonely. You can feel lonely even when you're surrounded by a crowd of people in a massive city. Loneliness does not have to do with whether or not someone somewhere else who you don't know is selling porn.
I never said they were equivalent.
Much of what you're saying here is objectively false.
You only need to look up the effects of solitary confinement on the psyche of a person to realise that this is all false. There is a lot of data on this, numerous studies.
I agree that people can also be lonely whilst surrounded by people. I'd say this is due to a lack of meaningful, fulfilling relationships, and technology, social media etc, is contributing to the problem. Things like onlyfans, and the commodification of sex are all a part of this issue.
The damage from something like murder is much more easily quantifiable, as there is an immediate, measurable effect. What we're discussing here is social issues, with far more factors at play.
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Re: Onlyfans & the normalisation of sex work has destroyed women. And men. [Re: Trypto-Fan] 1
#28089089 - 12/08/22 05:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I really thought there would be some links in here.
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