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Offlinechris77
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A Psychedelic Manifest * 2
    #28075419 - 11/30/22 02:22 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

crosspost from "The Psychedelic Experience":


Hello everybody !

I would like to present to you a work in progress.
it's a website i launched a few days ago, a non-commercial community project.

https://www.psychedelicmanifest.info

The idea behind is to develop a set of "ground rules" for a future with psychedelics, as decriminalization, therapeutic and recreational use are on the rise.

how will we be able to "protect" the freedom as we move along? what are our fears/wishes/needs in the context? do we leave the terrain and let big companies/pharma/state-controlled institutions do what they always do?

public opinion is power!
public discourse and open discussion are key.

if you would like to participate in whatever way you see fit, you would be most welcome! and i thank you in advance.
if you have a question, critique, no need to be too gentle :wink: or feedback of any kind, please don't hesitate.

you can also follow and comment on psychedelicmanifest (instagram)

Thank you for your kind attention,
chris


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Edited by chris77 (11/30/22 03:05 AM)


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Re: A Psychedelic Manifest [Re: chris77]
    #28111427 - 12/24/22 07:46 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Talking about psychedelics all at once like that is 'infantile' as McKenna used to like to say.
The long term effects on personality vary so much that we should really approach them on a case by case basis or at least make subgroups. Even the difference between 4-aco-dmt and shrooms was so much for me that I would like different directions..


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Re: A Psychedelic Manifest [Re: Deckard_Cain]
    #28111621 - 12/24/22 11:25 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Very cool Chris! Keep up the good work homie!


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Re: A Psychedelic Manifest [Re: Vibetyme]
    #28111733 - 12/25/22 04:43 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Deckard_Cain said:
Talking about psychedelics all at once like that is 'infantile' as McKenna used to like to say.
The long term effects on personality vary so much that we should really approach them on a case by case basis or at least make subgroups. Even the difference between 4-aco-dmt and shrooms was so much for me that I would like different directions..



well, thank you. i would still think  that there are quite a few things we can say about psychedelics that apply for most of them?



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Vibetyme said:
Very cool Chris! Keep up the good work homie!




Thank you very much Vibetyme. That means a lot to me :smile:

happy holidays to all of you


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Re: A Psychedelic Manifest [Re: chris77]
    #28118138 - 12/30/22 10:06 PM (1 year, 28 days ago)

I've worked a bit in the field of psychedelic research, harm reduction, etc. and coming from this background I'm concerned about the 8th point on the manifesto: "psychedelics are not the same as drugs". I recognize the latent idea underpinning this point, but in attempting to reduce the stigma of psychedelics it risks stigmatizing the use of other drugs and reproducing drug war logic.

If we go by the most basic definition, psychedelics are drugs, just as food is a drug pharmacologically speaking. Likewise, psychedelics are psychoactive drugs, psychopharmacologically speaking, as they bind to neuroreceptors and alter consciousness.

Of course, the word "drug", especially used in reference to psychoactivity, is heavily stigmatized due to the prevalence of drug war logic in the dominant culture. By categorizing psychedelics as something other than a drug, we reify drug war logics that target, stigmatize, and persecute people who use dependency-forming drugs, as it centralizes the stigma & (often false understanding of) harm surrounding the word "drug" rather than centering the (far more legitimate) psychopharmacology of the word, which by definition acknowledges psychedelics are safe, well-tolerated, etc. as psychopharmacology addresses both risks and harms, unlike the drug war which fails to acknowledge benefits & cultural productions of drug harms (I.e., the harms committed by the drug war itself; reduced access to healthcare, stigma, racial discrimination, etc.).

Likewise, if we are to consider cognitive liberty as part of our psychedelic manifest, we must be consistent by doing the same favour for other drugs. In which case, the evident problem is not that psychedelics are married to harmful drugs, but that harmful drugs are stigmatized to the extent that they give psychedelics a bad name. Indeed, the solution should be to utilize the positive and productive uses of psychedelics, as legitimately categorized drugs to destigmatize the entire conversation around drug use; to initiate discourse around how drugs, whether psychedelic or not, can be both negative AND positive, and that this effect is context dependent. That is, dependent on both the individual context at the time of consumption & the sociopolitical context of the culture at large.

I invite you to consider the quote by a great feminist, Audre Lord: "The Masters tools will never deconstruct the Master's house".
In this case, drug war logic is being re-applied in an attempt to resist the psychedelic drug war.

We must be careful not to reproduce dominant cultures in our resistance strategy to dominant cultures. Culture is too often taken for granted...


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Re: A Psychedelic Manifest [Re: chris77]
    #28120251 - 01/01/23 04:18 PM (1 year, 26 days ago)

I think we need very clear guidelines and rules for each individual substance as each compound can have vastly different effects with different people. But we need to do it in a way thats objective and non biased because even if psychedelics are excepted i would think there would be some sway one way or the other just due to human nature but could be prevented with very clear and agreed upon regulation with a type of census among users not non users as i think people who have never done drugs shouldnt be making regulations about drugs. Obviously thats being extremely naive but one can only hope.


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