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Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview 3
#28072357 - 11/27/22 10:51 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#28073371 - 11/28/22 04:47 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Also made a quick Psilocybe cyanescens video - full version will be out in a couple of weeks.


https://www.tiktok.com/@crimepaysbutbotanydoesnt/video/7170934817545145646
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#28073567 - 11/28/22 06:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Looking forward to listening. That guy cracks me up! Glad y’all are back at it!
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#28073758 - 11/28/22 09:29 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Awesome talk, I'm always waiting for the next crime pays video especially when it's with Alan 
Can't wait for that video!
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: Fungus Gnat] 1
#28088384 - 12/08/22 09:34 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Finally listened. Awesome episode!
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: CHUCK.HNTR] 1
#28089342 - 12/08/22 08:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I enjoyed every minute of it. Thanks Alan!
Can I ask, is there a point to keeping all of the mushrooms I find? I have a knack for going places that no-one else goes (crawling through swamps, climbing in the tree canopy, etc) AND I live in a state that doesn't even have a mycology club. Odds are that I likely find new mushrooms on my daily adventures but I'm not sure what to do with them?
Since I'm still learning to identify the more common genre I simply take photos, make a spore print, and save some of the dried specimens if they are particularly interesting. But is there a good reason for me to save ALL the mushrooms that I find?
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: Pentacorn] 1
#28089797 - 12/09/22 05:16 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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...and I have a follow-up question. As I fell asleep last night I couldn't stop thinking about police pulling you over and the fact that they took your rights away simply for studying mycology. They had no idea what you had but assumed the worst and impounded your car... How did the incident go from a traffic stop to them searching your car? Or did you get pulled over because you are well known for studying psilocybe mushrooms and you were being targeted by the local drug division?
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: Pentacorn]
#28089913 - 12/09/22 07:29 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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He dries his mushrooms on the dashboard of his car. So they were clearly visible. Should have been obvious they were all different but cops will be cops.
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: justjarvis]
#28092088 - 12/10/22 04:07 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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maybe something interesting ive observed about some bio-luminescent mushrooms could be coincidence idk (if they were actually luminescent, now that i heard that part of the conversation) is that on the only two occasions i noticed mushrooms seemingly glowing, they were growing out of dog poop. it was pretty dark both times
once in a back yard under a porch which was the designated doggy drop destination, and the other time along a sidewalk with similar designation. i thought it was strange so i did in what my opinion was a pretty thorough job of omitting all light within my hand enclosure (gloved the 1st time, as i happened to be at work) and the other was late at night. i did sit there for a minute to let my eyes adjust to blackness, i strangely wasnt even thinking about why i was doing that or questioning that it needed to be done
lol i was like wait, how do i think thats spelled? dictyo-what??? i need to google that right now! and then he was like "can you spell that for all the (curious pothead) listeners (trying to look that up right now)?"
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: justjarvis] 1
#28094139 - 12/12/22 03:33 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Pentacorn said: But is there a good reason for me to save ALL the mushrooms that I find?
Yes - you should save a dried collection of everything you find. Labeled with the iNaturalist / Mushroom Observer observation number. This is super important.
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Pentacorn said: I couldn't stop thinking about police pulling you over and the fact that they took your rights away simply for studying mycology. They had no idea what you had but assumed the worst and impounded your car... How did the incident go from a traffic stop to them searching your car? Or did you get pulled over because you are well known for studying psilocybe mushrooms and you were being targeted by the local drug division?
They didn't exactly take my rights away. They knew about my rights, though they didn't really care about that. They were very aware of the applicable laws, as was I.
It went from a traffic stop to a drug interdiction stop very quickly because they stopped me because they saw me at a gas station. Undercover drug interdiction units like to stake out gas stations and look for drug curriours. They saw me with a fucked up car with California plates and a mushroom tshirt, and they were like "I bet that guy has drugs." I can't blame them too much - if I was a cop in Tennessee and I saw me, I would be like oh cool, there must be drugs there. Let's follow that guy.
So I went on to my phone and googled breakfast restaurants, and saw one a block away. I decided to drive there, but it wasn't far so I didn't feel the need for a seatbelt. They saw the lack of seatbelt and pulled me over for that.
It had nothing to do with who I was, they do this all day every day.
They pulled me over and immediately called a drug dog. When the dog got there it couldn't smell drugs, but they lied and said that it did. They knew that they were lying, as did I, and they appreciated that I didn't call them out for that. I could have, but it wouldn't have gone well for me if I did.
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justjarvis said: He dries his mushrooms on the dashboard of his car. So they were clearly visible. Should have been obvious they were all different but cops will be cops.
Here is one I took this morning.
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#28094211 - 12/12/22 06:30 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: if I was a cop in Tennessee and I saw me, I would be like oh cool, there must be drugs there. Let's follow that guy.

Haha! I appreciate your honesty. Thanks for sharing the full story Alan.
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: Pentacorn]
#28094521 - 12/12/22 12:38 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I was arrested once with mushrooms. Still awaiting trial. I had a few in my car, mostly inactive, scattered all around. They mixed all the actives with inactives and weighted them together. Was having sweet Geastrum rufescens saved for sequencing which is now wasted. When I tried explaining they're different kind of mushrooms, they started with cynical comments and laughing and said - oh this one you take after lunch to feel comfortable and this one in the evening to see nice colors. Guy was so thrilled with his own jokes and trying not to burst out laughing. Can't argue with police. They're idiots.
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RenegadeMycologist said: I was arrested once with mushrooms. Still awaiting trial. I had a few in my car, mostly inactive, scattered all around. They mixed all the actives with inactives and weighted them together. Was having sweet Geastrum rufescens saved for sequencing which is now wasted. When I tried explaining they're different kind of mushrooms, they started with cynical comments and laughing and said - oh this one you take after lunch to feel comfortable and this one in the evening to see nice colors. Guy was so thrilled with his own jokes and trying not to burst out laughing. Can't argue with police. They're idiots.
Man that really sucks! Hopefully they will throw the case out! It’s really disappointing that one can be arrested for mushrooms...
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RenegadeMycologist said: When I tried explaining they're different kind of mushrooms, they started with cynical comments and laughing and said - oh this one you take after lunch to feel comfortable and this one in the evening to see nice colors. Guy was so thrilled with his own jokes and trying not to burst out laughing. Can't argue with police.
This is horrible and it is the exact reason why I asked Alan for more information on his personal predicament. Almost every day in the summer I am carrying wild mushrooms on me or in my car and 99.9% of the time they are not an active species but what cop is going to believe me?
I just finished reading the book "Arrest Proof Yourself" which is posted in another subforum and I don't feel much better. Basically, if a cop stops me they can arrest me because it LOOKS like I have drugs. But then what??? They don't have a mycologist on call to verify their accusations. I've been studying mushrooms for a few years and even I have a hard time figuring out which mushroom is which. So they are just given the power of ignorance to destroy someone's life?
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: Pentacorn]
#28094751 - 12/12/22 04:11 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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They would need to prove they are active first in order to destroy your life. From my experience I realized never carry active with inactive, because you never know how sensitive their psilocybin test is, if they mix Psilocybe with other mushrooms and it tests positive it's over. Otherwise worst case scenario is they mix up your mushrooms, and bully you for nothing in the station. And if you're hunting actives, you're already in danger when carrying, so it is what it is, hide them well in case of a random encounter with police.
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: Pentacorn]
#28112988 - 12/26/22 02:55 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Pentacorn said: This is horrible and it is the exact reason why I asked Alan for more information on his personal predicament. Almost every day in the summer I am carrying wild mushrooms on me or in my car and 99.9% of the time they are not an active species but what cop is going to believe me?
I just finished reading the book "Arrest Proof Yourself" which is posted in another subforum and I don't feel much better. Basically, if a cop stops me they can arrest me because it LOOKS like I have drugs. But then what??? They don't have a mycologist on call to verify their accusations. I've been studying mushrooms for a few years and even I have a hard time figuring out which mushroom is which. So they are just given the power of ignorance to destroy someone's life?
If they suspect that the mushrooms might be active, they can arrest you. They generally let you out in a few days on bail. They send the mushrooms to the crime lab and after a few months delay they test them with GC/MS. If they test negative they drop the case - if they test positive you will probably get convicted unless you can file a motion to suppress the evidence on the grounds that it was not a legal search.
If you have a whole lot of different kinds of mushrooms it makes it easier to convince them that they aren't active - usually when they find active mushrooms it's just one kind. But that depends on their mood and your appearance. If you are a dick to the cops, they will arrest you every time, even if they think it's unlikely that they are active. They don't know much about mushroom identification so they have a lot of discretion here.
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#28113560 - 12/27/22 12:06 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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what a strange strange thing! i dont live in major pickin area but have NEVER heard of or can even find an article about someone being busted hunting shrooms in canada. and soo many canadians want the serious right wing leadership that would allow such things. anyhoo, just have hard time wraping my head around them wasting time staking out pickers for that sole purpose. its like who are u protecting here, the few ozs u MAYBE take out of a personal stash is just pointless esp as those folks tend to be fairly law abiding minding there own biz. blows my mind sorry have to go on and on about it lol
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#28113924 - 12/27/22 11:17 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Pentacorn said: This is horrible and it is the exact reason why I asked Alan for more information on his personal predicament. Almost every day in the summer I am carrying wild mushrooms on me or in my car and 99.9% of the time they are not an active species but what cop is going to believe me?
I just finished reading the book "Arrest Proof Yourself" which is posted in another subforum and I don't feel much better. Basically, if a cop stops me they can arrest me because it LOOKS like I have drugs. But then what??? They don't have a mycologist on call to verify their accusations. I've been studying mushrooms for a few years and even I have a hard time figuring out which mushroom is which. So they are just given the power of ignorance to destroy someone's life?
If they suspect that the mushrooms might be active, they can arrest you. They generally let you out in a few days on bail. They send the mushrooms to the crime lab and after a few months delay they test them with GC/MS. If they test negative they drop the case - if they test positive you will probably get convicted unless you can file a motion to suppress the evidence on the grounds that it was not a legal search.
If you have a whole lot of different kinds of mushrooms it makes it easier to convince them that they aren't active - usually when they find active mushrooms it's just one kind. But that depends on their mood and your appearance. If you are a dick to the cops, they will arrest you every time, even if they think it's unlikely that they are active. They don't know much about mushroom identification so they have a lot of discretion here.
Despite every bit of this being legal, it just goes to show how bad the laws and the people in charge of enforcing them are in this country.
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RenegadeMycologist said: I was arrested once with mushrooms. Still awaiting trial. I had a few in my car, mostly inactive, scattered all around. They mixed all the actives with inactives and weighted them together. Was having sweet Geastrum rufescens saved for sequencing which is now wasted. When I tried explaining they're different kind of mushrooms, they started with cynical comments and laughing and said - oh this one you take after lunch to feel comfortable and this one in the evening to see nice colors. Guy was so thrilled with his own jokes and trying not to burst out laughing. Can't argue with police. They're idiots.
must be city boys, have a hard time (esp in eastarn europe) believing there isnt a long and storied tradition of mushroom picking.
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Re: Crime Pays but Botany Doesn't podcast interview [Re: the man]
#28114980 - 12/28/22 11:02 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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Tennessee has really strict drug laws. They don’t even have medical marijuana at this point. Not surprising that they’d pull someone over for some dumb shit.
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