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OfflineMentalPariah
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Catathelasma ventricosa in GA?!?!?
    #28070286 - 11/26/22 02:30 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Went for a small hike this morning to get out of the house. I saw these guys in a stand of loblolly pines, I thought they were tricholoma.... But they were massive! Largest approx a foot across...so can't really be tricholoma. After checking multiple.things I landed on Catathelasma ventricosa.
Now from what I understand this mushroom is already extremely rare in its range and possibly never recorded from the state of GA.

I believe this could be an undescribed
Catathelasma sp as it doesn't exactly match what I've seen for any of the other species...
I did not collect them, only photograph and kept walking.


What say the experts?



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Re: Catathelasma ventricosa in GA?!?!? [Re: MentalPariah]
    #28070498 - 11/26/22 05:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

:eyeball:
Post it on Mush observer too!


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OfflineMentalPariah
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Re: Catathelasma ventricosa in GA?!?!? [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #28070522 - 11/26/22 05:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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CHUCK.HNTR said:
:eyeball:
Post it on Mush observer too!




Already ahead of you

https://mushroomobserver.org/509943


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Whoever appeals to the law against his
Fellow man is either a fool or a coward
Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant
If I live I will kill you, if I die you are forgiven
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Re: Catathelasma ventricosa in GA?!?!? [Re: MentalPariah]
    #28070570 - 11/26/22 06:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

My man
:rollsafe:
I gotta keep better tabs on you
:eyesonyou:


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Re: Catathelasma ventricosa in GA?!?!? [Re: CHUCK.HNTR]
    #28070620 - 11/26/22 06:43 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I'd say you're spot on.


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Re: Catathelasma ventricosa in GA?!?!? [Re: MentalPariah]
    #28070876 - 11/26/22 11:16 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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MentalPariah said:
After checking multiple.things I landed on Catathelasma ventricosa.
Now from what I understand this mushroom is already extremely rare in its range and possibly never recorded from the state of GA.

I believe this could be an undescribed
Catathelasma sp as it doesn't exactly match what I've seen for any of the other species...
I did not collect them, only photograph and kept walking.


What say the experts?







Looks like it.  I don’t think it’s a new species.  There has been observations on iNaturalist from GA, but not many.  Cool find!

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=23&taxon_id=196530


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OfflineMentalPariah
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Re: Catathelasma ventricosa in GA?!?!? [Re: Nitro87]
    #28071606 - 11/27/22 02:05 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Nitro87 said:
Quote:

MentalPariah said:
After checking multiple.things I landed on Catathelasma ventricosa.
Now from what I understand this mushroom is already extremely rare in its range and possibly never recorded from the state of GA.

I believe this could be an undescribed
Catathelasma sp as it doesn't exactly match what I've seen for any of the other species...
I did not collect them, only photograph and kept walking.


What say the experts?







Looks like it.  I don’t think it’s a new species.  There has been observations on iNaturalist from GA, but not many.  Cool find!

https://www.inaturalist.org/observations?place_id=23&taxon_id=196530




I don't know why I always forget about inaturalist :laugh2:

Definately super rare and definately neat to find! May never see one again based on how often they seem to be observed.


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Whoever appeals to the law against his
Fellow man is either a fool or a coward
Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant
If I live I will kill you, if I die you are forgiven
Such is the rule of honor


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Re: Catathelasma ventricosa in GA?!?!? [Re: MentalPariah]
    #28072919 - 11/28/22 12:22 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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MentalPariah said:
Went for a small hike this morning to get out of the house. I saw these guys in a stand of loblolly pines, I thought they were tricholoma.... But they were massive! Largest approx a foot across...so can't really be tricholoma. After checking multiple.things I landed on Catathelasma ventricosa.
Now from what I understand this mushroom is already extremely rare in its range and possibly never recorded from the state of GA.

I believe this could be an undescribed
Catathelasma sp as it doesn't exactly match what I've seen for any of the other species...
I did not collect them, only photograph and kept walking.






You found the real Catathelasma ventricosum - a species described from Alabama in 1896 as Lentinus ventricosus and moved to Catathelasma by Singer in 1940.    What we call Catathelasma ventricosum on the west coast is undescribed.

I sequenced a collection of this from Arkansas and it doesn't match anything else in Genbank:  https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/102798039 / https://mushroomobserver.org/482027

It's not very common - next time you find it you should make a good collection and spore print so whoever decides to name the west coast species has good material to study and compare with.


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OfflineMentalPariah
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Re: Catathelasma ventricosa in GA?!?!? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #28074276 - 11/29/22 10:20 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Alan Rockefeller said:
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MentalPariah said:
Went for a small hike this morning to get out of the house. I saw these guys in a stand of loblolly pines, I thought they were tricholoma.... But they were massive! Largest approx a foot across...so can't really be tricholoma. After checking multiple.things I landed on Catathelasma ventricosa.
Now from what I understand this mushroom is already extremely rare in its range and possibly never recorded from the state of GA.

I believe this could be an undescribed
Catathelasma sp as it doesn't exactly match what I've seen for any of the other species...
I did not collect them, only photograph and kept walking.






You found the real Catathelasma ventricosum - a species described from Alabama in 1896 as Lentinus ventricosus and moved to Catathelasma by Singer in 1940.    What we call Catathelasma ventricosum on the west coast is undescribed.

I sequenced a collection of this from Arkansas and it doesn't match anything else in Genbank:  https://www.inaturalist.org/observations/102798039 / https://mushroomobserver.org/482027

It's not very common - next time you find it you should make a good collection and spore print so whoever decides to name the west coast species has good material to study and compare with.




Ohhhhhhh ok, guess maybe I read things wrong or maybe the information is bad that I found... Admittedly I could have done more due diligence but time is something I'm very short on these days.

I will absolutely make a collection and print next time I see one and send it to you if you're interested or make sure it gets sent somewhere to be properly documented and sequenced!!

Thanks Alan!


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Whoever appeals to the law against his
Fellow man is either a fool or a coward
Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant
If I live I will kill you, if I die you are forgiven
Such is the rule of honor


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