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My advice to those quitting weed: try terpene-rich herbs such as bacopa, chamomile, lemon balm, ashwangandha * 1
    #28068261 - 11/25/22 05:06 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Maybe some of you are like I used to be: weed is a problem for you and out of control, but you also legitimately see it helping out some of your problems. Perhaps you self-medicate with it against nausea, depression, anxiety or other problems. And it helps at times, but hurts at others, without it being easy to predict when it helps or hurts.

And so you quit, and at first you might get a withdrawal effect where you get worse nausea, insomnia, etc. This wears off after 2 weeks. But after that is gone, you might feel like you are still 'less than' you were before, less energetic, less hopeful, less organized; all the things which you got high to do you are less able to do; you feel like you are lacking, and those are the times when you might be tempted to reach for weed since it did those things for you before.

I suggest an alternative; you try similar medicines to weed, but ones that do not have the intense euphoric effects: you try terpene herbs. I had long used terpene herbs along with my cannabis and found an interaction, I got higher and it was a less anxious high if I used chamomile or lemon balm or bacopa along with it.

There's a medical reason for this, these herbs interact with the body's natural cannabinoid receptors through their potent terpenes. The terpenes of lemon balm and chamomile reduce anxiety working at GABA receptors. Bacopa reduces anxiety working at serotonin and glutamate receptors. Ashwagandha reduces anxiety working at cortisol receptors.

All the effects of these and similar herbs interact with the body's endocannabinoid system. That is why they are perfect to serve as a 'replacement' if someone quits weed for good. Someone who quits weed has a high tolerance and thus, their body might have reduced cannabinoid function for a while after it is stopped. These herbs boost your body's natural cannabinoid system without being addictive as marijuana is.

I believe the use of these herbs can immediately reduce a cannabis withdrawal effect and store the problematic nausea and insomnia experienced upon stopping; furthermore and even more importantly, they can serve as medicine that your body can use as you get sober. So, once you get past that initial hump of a 2-week cannabis withdrawal, and you might realize you have less energy, etc, these herbs suppress that effect. They don't make it go away; but they do a lot to help it. In my experience they can produce the same kind of well-being of cannabis, minus euphoria and addiction and reward-seeking properties.

All these herbs I mentioned are psychoactive. They are just not so in a way that tends to lead to abuse. Very large amounts of lemon balm produces a very mild drunk-like feeling, but it doesn't even compare to having three drinks, it's mild. And I just tried out 6 strong bacopa extract tablets, and it gives a mild feeling of well-being which I am used to from cannabis, but without the strong bodily sensations. It seems to be a suitable 'replacement' feeling; it hits the same receptor spots, stops the depression and anxiety that cannabis targeted.

If you really crave cannabis you can consider taking larger doses of these and seeing it as an experience - another one is holy basil, and large doses of it in tea form, like bacopa, produces a psychoactive effect that should be familiar and comforting to cannabis users. But since they are very different from cannabis, with only very high doses having any effect like this, it is not something that one really feels the need to abuse. After having a lot, one is more tempted to regularly take small doses to suppress the depression, and the smaller doses won't have any euphoric properties at all and will simply restore the body's cannabinoid system. But taking larger doses remains an option for an occasion in which one really craves cannabis and needs to suppress their depression - and it does work, it creates the same well-being, without the moreishness and addiction.

I think these herbs, used properly, could basically serve as a 'cannabinoid replacement therapy', as one replaces the cannabinoid receptors of the body, used to the intense cannabis, with agents that are much milder on the body. They can help one transition to regular life. And heck, past the period when one struggles with the need to use again, they can simply serve as medicines; they are proven to be good for depression and anxiety, and in studies they often compare favorably with SSRIs or other prescription drugs. They can serve as 'cannabis lite', cannabis without the psycho-mimetic effects, something suitable to building a new less dependent nervous system.


Edited by CreonAntigone (11/25/22 05:25 AM)


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Re: My advice to those quitting weed: try terpene-rich herbs such as bacopa, chamomile, lemon balm, ashwangandha [Re: CreonAntigone]
    #28068584 - 11/25/22 10:16 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the write up. I like the buzz produced by lemon balm, it's mild but definitely noticable. I used to have a bush of it and would make tea often. Have tried LB tincture too. Valerian is another good one with similar effects.


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Re: My advice to those quitting weed: try terpene-rich herbs such as bacopa, chamomile, lemon balm, ashwangandha [Re: Mystikal]
    #28069727 - 11/26/22 03:25 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

where did you get your bacopa tablets?

thank you


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Re: My advice to those quitting weed: try terpene-rich herbs such as bacopa, chamomile, lemon balm, ashwangandha [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #28069765 - 11/26/22 05:52 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

This is really interesting , have lemon balm in the garden will have to try some


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Re: My advice to those quitting weed: try terpene-rich herbs such as bacopa, chamomile, lemon balm, ashwangandha [Re: thealienthatategod] * 1
    #28071015 - 11/27/22 01:25 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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thealienthatategod said:
where did you get your bacopa tablets?

thank you




Himalaya makes bacopa tablets, they are great because they are an excellent extract made with a high concentration of saponins, it is a mix of two extracts one of which is 2% spaonins the other being 24% saponins.

I bought them on that one famous website, they are about $17 for 60.

I don't swallow them, they're a little big to swallow whole, I actually leave them in my mouth to dissolve or chew them, it's a strong flavor but I get used to it, it comes on the fastest by doing that. If you divide them in half then swallow, it might also come on faster.


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Re: My advice to those quitting weed: try terpene-rich herbs such as bacopa, chamomile, lemon balm, ashwangandha [Re: CreonAntigone] * 1
    #28088184 - 12/08/22 05:21 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I've been drinking chamomile and lemon balm tea every day for the past 3 days. I think I'll keep it up indefinitely. I made strong tea the first few days; perhaps even an ounce of each, in a big pot with water. I boiled for at least 15 minutes for maximum extraction; in one case, I filtered the tea and boiled the used leaves for an hour more after that and got fairly strong tea again. I wanted to get the most possible value. I will probably use less going forward but I wanted to test the limits of it.

The psychoactivity of it reduces significantly the second and third day. It still produces a light feeling, something in the muscles that is not unpleasant. It seems possible to overdo, but the side-effects of doing that aren't very great. I drank many cups of strong tea the other day and when I had a little too much I had a bit of a headache, that subsided in a minute, but wasn't much.

In terms of side-effects, these produce not even 1/100th the psychological distortions of cannabis, none of the anxiety. They're not really 'drugs' in that sense; they are more like remedies, and they seem to help me with daily anxiety. I'll keep up this experiment for a while. Both chamomile and lemon balm are generally recognized as safe and don't show any major side-effects even at high doses in tests; there might be a concern of liver toxicity if a high dose is taken everyday, but I see now that less is probably more, and I will likely use a few tsp a day of each going forward. But overall, testing the higher doses was not unpleasant at all. Also, it has helped to curb the insomnia I almost always get when stopping cannabis, as I've had quite good sleep these nights. I'm also using shatavari and reishi every day, and no other drugs (cutting alcohol too).


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Re: My advice to those quitting weed: try terpene-rich herbs such as bacopa, chamomile, lemon balm, ashwangandha [Re: CreonAntigone] * 1
    #28089962 - 12/09/22 07:57 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Thanks for your suggestion! It sounds like there may be something to it if terpenes actually do have the effect that people say they do. But I will be the first to admit that I am highly skeptical of the idea that terpenes contribute significantly to marijuana's effects. I go to medical dispensaries all the time and I keep hearing from the "budtenders" that the terpenes "produce the actual high, but the THC just allows you to get there". Some even go as far as to suggest that people who only look for THC "don't know what they are looking for".  Frankly, I beg to differ. It just makes no sense. People don't get high from mangos , limonene, or CBD hemp- they get high from THC products. We know that THC is pharmacologically active and produces most of cannabis effects. The evidence of this is undeniable: even the FDA approved marinol (no terpenes as it is just pure THC),many studies have been done on the effects of THC alone, and anecdotally I get the same or similar effect from low terpene distillate as I do from RSO or edibles that were made from flower. We also know the mechanism of action of d9-THC as a CB1 agonist and that other synthetic/semi-synthetic agonists  of this receptor ("spice" like synthetic cannabinoids, medically prescribed nabilone, THC analogs like parahexyl, and even d8-THC and d10-THC) produce many of desired cannabis effects without having the terps. Conversely, I have never heard of any of the terpenes having a known pharmacological effect (binding to different receptors in assays or seen anyone gettin high from eating  a Mango by itself). I'm just not a believer and the terpene thing just sounds like the stoner version of "bro science" and is marketed in a similar way.

So I use a sort of "decimal" system when deciding what I should get. The most significant "decimal" is the amount of THC, after that I try to get whatever maximizes the terps within that max THC range.


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Re: My advice to those quitting weed: try terpene-rich herbs such as bacopa, chamomile, lemon balm, ashwangandha [Re: Cognitive_Entropy]
    #28091360 - 12/10/22 03:38 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

i'm sure i'm not the only person who has ancedotally experienced eating a mango and getting high!


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Re: My advice to those quitting weed: try terpene-rich herbs such as bacopa, chamomile, lemon balm, ashwangandha [Re: thealienthatategod]
    #28093048 - 12/11/22 08:26 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Passion flower, lemon balm, l-theanine, agmatine sulfate and ashwagandha are pretty great natural tools to help your mood and keep you calm from my own experience.

I supplement with some fish oil too. All highly recommended.


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