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OfflineThe Ecstatic
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Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war
    #28067797 - 11/24/22 06:19 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I know what you’re thinking but hear me out:


Ukraine has no chance against such a superior military, and they seem hellbent on not surrendering and fighting down to the last man.

Therefore, in order to save lives in the long term, Putin needs to drop some thermonuclear warheads on a few key industrial cities. History will remember this act as a noble effort to save lives and end the war as humanely as possible.

What do y’all think?


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28067802 - 11/24/22 06:24 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

It worked once before


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28067810 - 11/24/22 06:33 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Curious why Ukraine
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The Ecstatic said:
Ukraine has no chance against such a superior military




Russia failed in Afghanistan, and so far they have not been by any stretch a "superior" force in Ukraine.  The damage Russia has done to their military reputation in this war, exposing the poor state of readiness of the troops to the poor maintenance of equipment has Putin conducting drills to prevent a coup.

Further, an escalation to a nuclear conflict risks a not insignificant chance of direct US intervention.

If this war taught the world one thing, it is that Russia can no longer fight a conventional war as a world superpower.



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It worked once before



No it hasn't.  The bombs dropped on Japan happened in bonus time.  The war was all but over officially.


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28067811 - 11/24/22 06:36 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

What do I think? I think you are far beyond the stage of being an idiot, a moron, an imbecilic, a retard, want more? how about being stupid, ignorant, and delusional. When the U.S ended ww2 with a nuclear weapon it was because WE were the only country at the time that had such a thing. If Russia used a nuke these days kiss your ass goodbye because every country with nukes would use them, does that sound ok with you?

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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: Smoking Rooster]
    #28067814 - 11/24/22 06:38 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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What do I think? I think you are far beyond the stage of being an idiot, a moron, an imbecilic, a retard, want more? how about being stupid, ignorant, and delusional. When the U.S ended ww2 with a nuclear weapon it was because WE were the only country at the time that had such a thing. If Russia used a nuke these days kiss your ass goodbye because every country with nukes would use them, does that sound ok with you?




Finally an intelligent response.


I disagree with the premise. NATO isn’t going to blow up the planet over Ukraine. It’s in all our interest to end this war as soon as possible. What better way to do that than nuke the battlefield?


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #28067816 - 11/24/22 06:39 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

If Russia wants to end the war all they need to do is leave Ukraine


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28067823 - 11/24/22 06:46 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Ice9 said:
Curious why Ukraine
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The Ecstatic said:
Ukraine has no chance against such a superior military




Russia failed in Afghanistan, and so far they have not been by any stretch a "superior" force in Ukraine.  The damage Russia has done to their military reputation in this war, exposing the poor state of readiness of the troops to the poor maintenance of equipment has Putin conducting drills to prevent a coup.

Further, an escalation to a nuclear conflict risks a not insignificant chance of direct US intervention.

If this war taught the world one thing, it is that Russia can no longer fight a conventional war as a world superpower.



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shivas.wisdom said:
It worked once before



No it hasn't.  The bombs dropped on Japan happened in bonus time.  The war was all but over officially.




Well, the Soviet Union failed in Afghanistan, but so did the US, doesn’t mean we don’t have a superior military relative to the poorest country in Europe.

It’s best we just end this pissing match now (with atomic weapons) rather than allow the loss of life to continue to stack up. Otherwise it may take years to finish.


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28067824 - 11/24/22 06:46 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Quote:

The Ecstatic said:
I know what you’re thinking but hear me out:


Ukraine has no chance against such a superior military, and they seem hellbent on not surrendering and fighting down to the last man.

Therefore, in order to save lives in the long term, Putin needs to drop some thermonuclear warheads on a few key industrial cities. History will remember this act as a noble effort to save lives and end the war as humanely as possible.

What do y’all think?




I see what you did there


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: koods]
    #28067825 - 11/24/22 06:50 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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koods said:
If Russia wants to end the war all they need to do is leave Ukraine




That’s one possibility. However, it’s unlikely, and it may be some time before Russia naturally reaches that point of surrender (they’re a very stubborn people), and it’s not worth the hundreds of thousands of lives that may very well be extinguished if we leave it to chance. Better to vaporize 10% of Kiev now than risk losing 80% of it in a few years.

It’s nice that you have the luxury of waiting around for circumstances to change, but there are innocent people in Ukraine whose lives we can save right now (provided they aren’t in the quarter mile radius of where the nukes detonate).


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28067829 - 11/24/22 06:52 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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ballsalsa said:
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The Ecstatic said:
I know what you’re thinking but hear me out:


Ukraine has no chance against such a superior military, and they seem hellbent on not surrendering and fighting down to the last man.

Therefore, in order to save lives in the long term, Putin needs to drop some thermonuclear warheads on a few key industrial cities. History will remember this act as a noble effort to save lives and end the war as humanely as possible.

What do y’all think?




I see what you did there




I just want to help save lives. There’s so much pointless suffering in this world and we should curb that whenever possible.


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28067832 - 11/24/22 06:54 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

That's only a good idea if you're the only one who has nukes . Trying to saves lives that way could lead to your vaporization also . Is that not being considered ?


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28067841 - 11/24/22 07:01 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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That's only a good idea if you're the only one who has nukes . Trying to saves lives that way could lead to your vaporization also . Is that not being considered ?




This is a very good point. However, I don’t think other superpowers have the balls to risk global annihilation to call them on their wanton destruction. Tough call though for sure, but there’s also the benefit of other powers knowing you’re willing to use nukes, meaning that the risk of future wars diminish substantially. Russia nuking Ukraine could hypothetically save the human race.


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28067843 - 11/24/22 07:02 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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shivas.wisdom said:
It worked once before




I’m not familiar with the reference?


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28068129 - 11/24/22 10:59 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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It’s best we just end this pissing match now (with atomic weapons) rather than allow the loss of life to continue to stack up. Otherwise it may take years to finish.



Or NATO could just nuke Russia. The logic is the same.

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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28068259 - 11/25/22 05:01 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
I know what you’re thinking but hear me out:


Ukraine has no chance against such a superior military, and they seem hellbent on not surrendering and fighting down to the last man.

Therefore, in order to save lives in the long term, Putin needs to drop some thermonuclear warheads on a few key industrial cities. History will remember this act as a noble effort to save lives and end the war as humanely as possible.

What do y’all think?




It's not that I don't see the strategy in your argument, although guessing it was tongue in cheek.

But simpler would be if Putin shot himself in the head, or one if his "allies" put him out his misery, and they are considering it. He needs a way out, and there's not much in the way of other alternatives. He didn't start a world war exactly, but the Hitler in the bunker similarities are growing.

Sure his successor could be worse. But what happens if Russia uses nukes in Ukraine? IMO our first response would be to destroy Russia's military capabilities with conventional weapons, but that could obviously escalate. Either the world is destroyed, or partially destroyed, but there is no possible scenario where Rusia wins. It's not just the U.S. England and France have capabilities. China wants nothing to do with Russia making this nuclear. Why would they? They don't want the 10th ranked economy in the world destroying it while they are poised to take the lead.


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28068281 - 11/25/22 05:52 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Or maybe, just maybe - The key players from the EU, US, UA, & RU could try locking themselves in a room until they manage to talk things out.  Who knows, they might even find they have more in common than they initially thought. I know, too crazy right!  :snowman:


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: Lynnch]
    #28068332 - 11/25/22 07:06 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Lynnch said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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It’s best we just end this pissing match now (with atomic weapons) rather than allow the loss of life to continue to stack up. Otherwise it may take years to finish.



Or NATO could just nuke Russia. The logic is the same.




Not necessarily. The war is happening in Ukraine, a swift defeat will save lives on both sides. Plus, Russia has about 5 times the population as Ukraine, so nuking them would be decidedly less utilitarian.


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28068363 - 11/25/22 07:25 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

But then NATO would acquire the "Biggest Loser" tag. Utilitarian issues aside, it's not going to happen without annihilating consequences, at least for the next few years. Right or wrong, the American reputational issues are still leading policy.

After that it depends on how much of the GOP thinks Ukraine is not worth it.


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28068369 - 11/25/22 07:35 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

NATO will not use nukes unless Russia launched against nato countries.


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Re: Russia should nuke Ukraine to end the war [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28068472 - 11/25/22 08:51 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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Lynnch said:
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The Ecstatic said:
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It’s best we just end this pissing match now (with atomic weapons) rather than allow the loss of life to continue to stack up. Otherwise it may take years to finish.



Or NATO could just nuke Russia. The logic is the same.




Not necessarily. The war is happening in Ukraine, a swift defeat will save lives on both sides. Plus, Russia has about 5 times the population as Ukraine, so nuking them would be decidedly less utilitarian.




If the argument is simply minimal loss of life then assassinating Putin would be the best option.


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