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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: silversoul7]
    #2806652 - 06/18/04 07:28 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I merely stated my opinion. It doesn't matter to me if you believe me or not.

You'd better get that bite on your ass treated. It obviously is affecting your demeanor.


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2806658 - 06/18/04 07:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I'll have to disagree. IMO acting nice only makes us look weak in their eyes.




Why is focusing on the rational, effective, and efficient means of fighting terrorism (i.e. law enforcement, intelligence work, and international cooperation) equate to "acting nice"? Since when was the CIA and FBI "nice"?

If you had skin cancer cells on your arm, would you want the surgeon to either go in with a sharp blade or a laser to carefully extract the cells or would you want him to "be tough" and just cut the arm off?


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: Vvellum]
    #2806666 - 06/18/04 07:32 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Apples and oranges. Weak.


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2806697 - 06/18/04 07:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

its called a metaphor...but if you dont think they are parallel, fine. Please answer my first two questions:

Why is focusing on the rational, effective, and efficient means of fighting terrorism (i.e. law enforcement, intelligence work, and international cooperation) equate to "acting nice"? Since when was the CIA and FBI "nice"?


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: Vvellum]
    #2806740 - 06/18/04 07:58 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think that's the rational, effective, or efficient way to treat terrorism. I think it makes us appear weak. Track them down and kill them.

I don't want the CIA or FBI to be nice. I'd be disappointed if they were. Track the terrorists down and kill them.

Am I being clear enough? Nice doesn't work. Kill as many as possible, as quickly as possible, in the most painful horrible ways imaginable.

And I realize you were attemping a metaphor. It was just a very weak attempt. You may not care for this one any more than I liked yours....

A plague is running rampant. Do you:
A. Do little because it might offend some otherwise?
B. Nuke the area where the plague is spreading and clamp down on travel until your reasonably sure the plague is contrained?


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2806778 - 06/18/04 08:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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I don't think that's the rational, effective, or efficient way to treat terrorism. I think it makes us appear weak. Track them down and kill them.




How do you track terror networks down without a major emphasis on law enforcement and intelligence?

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I don't want the CIA or FBI to be nice. I'd be disappointed if they were. Track the terrorists down and kill them.




The general military does not have skill set to "track the terrorists down" in the first place; the military is designed to fight battles on the battlefield. Special forces, who do have such capabilities, work hand-in-hand with intelligence agents.

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Kill as many as possible, as quickly as possible, in the most painful horrible ways imaginable




How are you going to find them in the first place?

Quote:

A plague is running rampant. Do you:
A. Do little because it might offend some otherwise?
B. Nuke the area where the plague is spreading and clamp down on travel until your reasonably sure the plague is contrained?




Answer my question too, to be fair.

Okay Plague 101 with the help of: CDC Prevention and Control of DVBID

1. first is general prevention
2. in the event of an outbreak, quarantine those who have contracted the disease.
3. Provide antibiotics for those in the vacinity of the outbreak who havent contracted the disease.

Persons who must be present in an area where a plague outbreak is occurring can protect themselves for 2 to 3 weeks by taking antibiotics. The preferred antibiotics for prophylaxis against plague are the tetracyclines or the sulfonamides.

No nuclear genocide necessary.


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: Vvellum]
    #2806783 - 06/18/04 08:25 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

*sigh*

Main Entry: ram?pant
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2 a : marked by a menacing wildness, extravagance, or absence of restraint b :


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2806805 - 06/18/04 08:37 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Do you always sidestep? Please answer my questions.


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: Vvellum]
    #2806813 - 06/18/04 08:41 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

No side step. I gave my answers in the previous post. If you don't like them.... tough shit.

Direct enough for you?

Bring back the nipple!


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: Vvellum]
    #2806815 - 06/18/04 08:43 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Here, I'll toss you a bone.

Q: How are you going to find them in the first place?
A; Look in the Yellow Pages.


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: Vvellum]
    #2806828 - 06/18/04 08:48 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

since when do bombs discriminate between 'standing armies' and civilians?
i'm sure ours won't mind the difference :wink:


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: silversoul7]
    #2806831 - 06/18/04 08:50 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
I think recent history has proven me right. Just look at the Berg beheading video. It was a response to the torture of those prisoners.




you make it sound just!
being spat on and mocked doesnt compare


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2806838 - 06/18/04 08:52 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Your "metaphor" had little to do with reality - hence my simplistic answer. Are entire populations involved in terror networks? Um, no.

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I gave my answers in the previous post.




Hardly. Please answer: How do you track terror networks down without a major emphasis on law enforcement and intelligence?


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: Vvellum]
    #2806888 - 06/18/04 09:08 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

You really are a tedious lil' fella.

Law enforcement"and" intelligence.

Here, since you must have missed it.... from my second post in this thread:
He's said he would treat terrorist acts as police actions.


And then my third:
Yet, he had insisted during much of the primary that the fight against terrorists was primarily a police action rather than a military operation.


And my fourth:
Massive military involvement is key.
Notice the word "involvement".

And finally.... please show where at any time I suggested that "intelligence" should not be part of plan?


Here, before you look I'll paste this from my twelfth post in this thread:
I don't want the CIA or FBI to be nice. I'd be disappointed if they were. Track the terrorists down and kill them.


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2807015 - 06/18/04 09:51 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)


IMO acting nice only makes us look weak in their eyes.


True. If we falter, they will take advantage of our weakness. But,
if we vociferously go after them, we make martyrs of them and
they get more recruits. These people are willing to kill themselves
to kill us. There is no reasoning with them. You either
attempt to destroy them or you stop doing what is pissing them off.
I think we should do a mix of the two.


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #2807027 - 06/18/04 09:55 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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You either attempt to destroy them or you stop doing what is pissing them off.
I think we should do a mix of the two.



:thumbup: Couldn't agree more.


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #2807131 - 06/18/04 10:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Here, since you must have missed it.... from my second post in this thread: He's said he would treat terrorist acts as police actions.




From your link, [Kerry] went on to say that the war on terror is "occasionally military," but that "it's primarily an intelligence and law-enforcement operation that requires cooperation around the world, the very thing this administration is worst at."

You have yet to explain why this strategy is wrong, other than saying I don't think that's the rational, effective, or efficient way to treat terrorism. I think it makes us appear weak. Well, why is it not rational, effective, nor efficient and how exactly is a strong law enforcement and intelligence gathering "weak"? Explain yourself for once.

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Yet, he had insisted during much of the primary that the fight against terrorists was primarily a police action rather than a military operation.




See the above quote for Kerry's stance on how to combat terror networks.

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Massive military involvement is key.
Notice the word "involvement"




No one, including Kerry, ever said the military should not be involved. The difference is the amount and degree of involvment - you think the US should have soliders invade nations left and right in order to capture/kill terrorists regardless of the cost (your attempt at a metaphor is testment to this: you liken islamic nations to being Plauge-ridden and needing to be nuked). Kerry and others think law enforcement and intelligence should have the primary role and the military should be on hold until they are necessary.

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show where at any time I suggested that "intelligence" should not be part of plan?




You seem to disagree with the idea of a primary involvement of law enforcement and intelligence agencies in combatting terror networks in favor of a primary military solution (i.e. the war on terror being conducted by military generals instead of spies, infilitrators, and law enforcement).


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: silversoul7]
    #2807214 - 06/18/04 10:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
Quote:

You either attempt to destroy them or you stop doing what is pissing them off.
I think we should do a mix of the two.



:thumbup: Couldn't agree more.




A mix of the two...which would be like life in prison...no death penalty and no being mean.  Just a huge prison compound full of busted terrorist.  Sounds like another case for the left wing media to jump out and tell the world how much we hate ourselves and how so very wrong we are in what we do.  :smirk:


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: Stein]
    #2807269 - 06/18/04 11:23 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Excuse me, but wtf are you talking about?


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Re: Kerry: We Must Destroy al Qaida [Re: silversoul7]
    #2807290 - 06/18/04 11:29 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry SS, I might have quoted the wrong person. But since you're here and I got a few minutes, tell me what a mix of the two is?


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