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InvisibleSwami
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Paul Johnson Beheaded
    #2805584 - 06/18/04 02:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Nope, not trying to get a political discussion going, so take that to PAL please.

Just wanted to note the awesome power of the candlelight prayer vigils that his family and friends (and other American's) held for his safe return. The results from petitioning this invisible power, for whom nothing is impossible, were remarkably consistent with the "There is no Big Daddy in the Sky" theory.

Editor's note: before a number of reading-impaired members jump on me with the typical false assumptions, I am highly saddened by this atrocity.  :frown:


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Swami]
    #2805656 - 06/18/04 03:06 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

maybe more people were praying for him to be killed?

maybe the big daddy is doing some old chool bible medication, kill innocents for what many are doing.


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Swami]
    #2805666 - 06/18/04 03:08 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
candlelight prayer vigils




was it actually a "prayer" vigil?

or just a normal candlelight vigil, used for publicity?


edit: i feel bad as well.


Edited by guri (06/18/04 03:53 PM)


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Swami]
    #2805708 - 06/18/04 03:19 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

But... but.... that's all apart of God's plan!!! It was meant to be! ARE YOU QUESTIONING GOD'S PLAN!?!?


Serouisly, it's awful that more & more lives are being taken in the name of G(g)od/war/country/etc... It's hard to even feel anything about it anymore because it's happening so often.


And it's also sad that events like this & worse are happening world wide everyday. Very frustraiting.


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Swami]
    #2807158 - 06/18/04 10:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

there were numerous candle vigils for the japanese hostages taken in iraq recently, they all returned home safely.

this thread is pathetic. :thumbdown:


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: mr crisper]
    #2807188 - 06/18/04 10:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

there were numerous candle vigils for the japanese hostages taken in iraq recently, they all returned home safely.
So are you saying that the Japanese are better at praying than Americans or that God loves them more?

this thread is pathetic.
Which is why you posted? *scratches head* In what way is it pathetic?


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Todcasil]
    #2807192 - 06/18/04 10:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

maybe more people were praying for him to be killed?

Ah, so God is a democracy?


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Swami]
    #2807204 - 06/18/04 10:56 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

In what way is it pathetic?





HE DIDN'T LIKE WHERE YOU WERE HEADING WITH THIS THREAD.


oops, I probably need to de-cap-itate that.


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Swami]
    #2807273 - 06/18/04 11:25 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

This is probably too anti-liberal for this site, but here goes. Miyamoto Masushi, the most successful samurai warrior of the Japanese samurai age, wrote a book describing the Samaurai code of conduct. It is called "The Book of Five Rings". It is a philosophical and even religious look at the art of combat. One point noted is that you have friends and ememies. With your friends no hospitality is too great, with your enemies any show of mercy is too great. When you take war to your enemies you take it too them in a merciless fashion. You do not let up until your enemies are totally defeated and no more. The time to make friends is past...maybe thats our fault, but we have to survive. In the end I suspect God could care less who wins (if it is even a force capable of caring) we need to look out for ourselves. Heavy times are upon us. Reading about this act angered and sickened me to the core of my soul...it made me want to personally kill the people who did this. I am a peaceful man, but I get pissed sometimes.


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2807291 - 06/18/04 11:31 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

...it made me want to personally kill the people who did this.

I am a peaceful man...


Sorry, but a peaceful man does not wish harm on another. Funny the distorted self-images and denial we carry. Spirituality is about looking at the way we are, not the way we pretend we are or would like to be.


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Swami]
    #2807325 - 06/18/04 11:49 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

When I am left alone I am peaceful. When I am provoked I AM NOT peaceful. The killing of my countrymen in such a manner makes my blood boil. An attack on my countrymen is an attack on me. It is a habit I picked up as an Infantyman in the US Army. For your info a self image is self limiting. I have no set image of myself. It was self image that caused me so much trouble in my life so I dropped it. When you admit that you are a mystery to yourself your potential surfaces. I will clarify too satisfy your pickiness: When I am happy I am peaceful...When I am not happy it ranges from unpleasant to downright brutally violent. From now on I'm consulting a lawyer about my wording before I post.


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Swami]
    #2807330 - 06/18/04 11:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Just a friendly and humble reminder: this is not Islam.


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Zahid]
    #2807335 - 06/18/04 11:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I have no problem with Islam it is a wonderful spiritual path.


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2807336 - 06/18/04 11:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

well then you're not peaceful - you dont have to be anyway.
methinks EVERYONE is peaceful if nothing aggravates them.

Yes, the beheading was gruesome. It was meant to disgust and horrify everyone. I feel pity and disgust, but no need for violence.


Also about the self-image, how can you compare your beliefs with actions without a self image? Otherwise the two can become the same, or so I've found


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Swami]
    #2807360 - 06/19/04 12:01 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Today on Newsday.com :

Most of the Sept. 11 terrorists were Saudi nationals. It is high time for the Saudi government to demonstrate, as Lautenberg put it, with "deeds" that it is willing to destroy the al-Qaida network. The rise of such barbarity [referring to the Paul Johnson killing] should do more than shock the world; it should empower all nations to band together and fight terrorism."

Sometimes I still have a bad feeling that US gov't purposefully let the 9/11 terrorist act happen & now everything is fucked up. The statement up above maybe shows we're moving in the right direction to unite or even empower the U.N. to end this second "rabbit hole".

Who knows, even the American "barbarians" might learn from this loss that the cycle won't end if we just keep killing back and forth. A concerted effort will be best and, for god's sake, no more speeches about terrorism isolating whole parts of the world as the "axis of evil". Lay off the cocaine Bush.


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: spacedragon]
    #2807397 - 06/19/04 12:11 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

where do these cocaine bushs grow?


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2807419 - 06/19/04 12:18 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
I have no problem with Islam it is a wonderful spiritual path.




:heart: Asalaamu alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: vampirism]
    #2807454 - 06/19/04 12:25 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

A self image is just self importance. Perhaps I use the word "belief" too loosely. Is something you know to be true a belief? That confuses me somewhat. The path that I follow is dependant only on personal experience. A little faith started me out, but it soon became irrelevant as personal experience with my creator and creation took it's place. If the personal experience had not been useful to me I would have dropped my interest in shamanism immediately. It is possible that pre-existing attitudes and interests made the adoption of this lifestyle inevitable. If so that was fate. Not everyone should be on the same path. My path is merely one of many and is not really important to others in and of itself. Oh yeah, spacedragon...great post with excellant insight. I don't agree with it, but I hardly agree with anyone.


Edited by Huehuecoyotl (06/19/04 12:41 AM)


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #2807488 - 06/19/04 12:31 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Hmm

who is your creator? Have you gotten to know your creator? Aren't you him/her/it/ w/e to some extent?


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Re: Paul Johnson Beheaded [Re: Zahid]
    #2807499 - 06/19/04 12:34 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

First of all I want to say that it is dispicable what was done to both Nick Berg and Paul Johnson. Barbaric acts of an uncivilized nut(s). However, this is my point, why the fuck are you in Saudi Arabia in the first place. MONEY!!! These people were very well advised of the conditions in that country for Americans. They were advised to leave. Why didn't they? MONEY!!!! My ex-wife's hubby is there too. Why? BIG MONEY!!!!! If these people came back millionaires, they'd be flaunting their money in your working class faces. Those were the chances they took for the BIG MONEY!!! It's a gamble and they lost, and it is a great tragedy. But they knew the risks. Nobody in the World Trade Center had that insight, they were killed for no reason at all. That's my two cents.


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