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The Return of Antisemitism
    #28054737 - 11/16/22 04:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I don't know about you guys, but I'm seeing a disturbing trend in the youth in particular towards antisemitism. Especially now thanks to people like Kanye, hatred towards Jews is becoming a mainstream thing again. What do you guys think? Do we have to worry about concentration camps or gas chambers in the future? Again?

I mean for a long time it has just been primarily small alt-right KKK fringe-groups that were hating on the Jews. But now we got Kanye fans desecrating Jewish cemeteries and shit.



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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 1
    #28054958 - 11/16/22 06:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

it just enters your sphere again, but antisemitism never went away.

its now up because of the rise of the alt right.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28054959 - 11/16/22 06:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

tbh i feel the alt-left has a big part to play in it all as well...


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28054974 - 11/16/22 06:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

there is no alt left.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28054984 - 11/16/22 06:27 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

:yeahthatsfunny:

Okay Asante. Sure. Effects have no cause. And causes have no effect. :lol:


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28055498 - 11/16/22 11:29 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Kanye fans haven't really been left for some time now. Most actually left people dropped his idiot ass when he put on a MAGA hat. Just like how the left is dropping Musk right now.

Personally, I never really liked Kanye. College dropout was very mediocre, and I didn't really listen past that.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28055724 - 11/17/22 07:07 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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there is no alt left.



There's definitely and alt left aka the extreme left and flat out communist in this country although honestly I feel like alot of it was fed by russian trolls or something during the past few election cycles and has cooled off a ton in the past 2 or 3 years. We've also seen alot of these extreme left policies fall flat on thier face in disastrous train wrecks in that time. Really these people are almost just as extreme as the alt right but just going the other way. Left leaning people just put up with these extreme views because they view them as progressive but alot remain on the fringes of logic and morality. As far as anti Semitism I've always spoken out against it and encourage others to do the same anytime they encounter any kind of hatespeech. It's no longer cool or edgy to ve racist or whathave you and its easier than ever to call these people out for not respecting others.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28055729 - 11/17/22 07:14 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Kanye fans haven't really been left for some time now. Most actually left people dropped his idiot ass when he put on a MAGA hat. Just like how the left is dropping Musk right now.

Personally, I never really liked Kanye. College dropout was very mediocre, and I didn't really listen past that.



Yes kanye always sucked from the start and was grossly over rated and marketed to the dumbest retards in our country who ate it up. There's always this notion with these industry executives that you have to play to the lowest common denominator. We see it all the time in music and movies and in a more recent phenomenon in politics and news media. Why? It only serves to retardize the country whereas if you produce something truely intriguing everyone will like it rather than just the stupid people you told to like it liking it and everyone else talking about it because it's a giant controversial joke. It just takes you know thought and effort and these scumbags would rather fuck up the country ripping folks off. Gotta face facts somethings got to change.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #28055808 - 11/17/22 08:21 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

There is no alt-left.  The closest left equivalent to alt-right would be antifa.  That being said, they are not comparable, the government has gone to great lengths to investigate antifa and find domestic terrorists in that movement for political purposes, trying to find terrorists so those on the right could point at a d say the left is as bad as the right extremists.  Apparently even though none were found, looks like lots of people bought the propaganda.

https://gizmodo.com/donald-trump-homeland-security-report-antifa-portland-1849718673


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Ice9]
    #28055889 - 11/17/22 09:52 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Alt stands for 'alternative' and refers to the departure from then-current conservative politics in the USA. If yall remember the failed 'Unite the Right' march, that was intended to bring together these two disparate parts once the alt-right had become established.

Communists and antifascists aren't a similar 'alternative' approach to left politics - this is what left politics has consisted of since inception. This is why there's no alt-left.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28055926 - 11/17/22 10:22 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Alt stands for 'alternative' and refers to the departure from then-current conservative politics in the USA. If yall remember the failed 'Unite the Right' march, that was intended to bring together these two disparate parts once the alt-right had become established.

Communists and antifascists aren't a similar 'alternative' approach to left politics - this is what left politics has consisted of since inception. This is why there's no alt-left.





exactly this.

Alt right is an euphemism to get nazism and fascism back into the fascii of rightwing politics, without actually naming it that.

a socialist, communist or antifa will tell you to their face what they are because the spirit of unity in letting the people rise despite of oppression is nothinbg to be ashamed of.

Gulags were communism gone wrong, death camps were fascism done right.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 2
    #28056229 - 11/17/22 01:48 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

You guys really do love to argue semantics don't you? Okay fine there is no alt-left. We'll call them the far-left. There does that make you communist freaks happy?


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 1
    #28056300 - 11/17/22 02:32 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

No its the semantics of the far right, dubbing the left alt left to give themselves legitimacy.

its the racist right or facist right, thats the alternative they offer.

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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28056310 - 11/17/22 02:37 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I mean for a long time it has just been primarily small alt-right KKK fringe-groups that were hating on the Jews. But now we got Kanye fans desecrating Jewish cemeteries and shit.







kkk fringe groups have always identified as oner of their enemies when attacking another enemy, to make both look bad.

kinda like how the unabomber sent mail bombs to his primary target with his secondary target as the return address in case it wasnt delivered. :unabomber:

Who says that factual kanye fans defiled that tombstone? His whole life kanye has been about himself and now he comments on Jews immediately his fans storm cemetaries to defile graves out of antisemitism? Totally not buying that.


lets look at your starting post a bit closer:


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Especially now thanks to people like Kanye, hatred towards Jews is becoming a mainstream thing again. What do you guys think? Do we have to worry about concentration camps or gas chambers in the future? Again?






never mind the alt right, the "jews shall not replace us" chants and all that, you pitch the rise in antisemitisn as being instigated by a black hiphop man and his fans. That is clever only in a messed up mind. People of more acumen recognize you are furthering the racial right agenda, which you are known for, by trying to direct anti racist outrage about antisemitism asway friom your white friends in black boots and towards black people and their music whom they generally do not favor.

"they're too stupid to notice" goes for surprisingly few people, they just dont chisel; it out in front of you, just take mental note of where you stand.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Asante]
    #28056360 - 11/17/22 03:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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No its the semantics of the far right, dubbing the left alt left to give themselves legitimacy.

its the racist right or facist right, thats the alternative they offer.

We're calling a spade a spade.



if you say so. I find that when you look into far-right or far-left places online you find the same hatred toward Israel and Jews in general. :shrug:

personally, idgaf if you call them alt or far or whatever the fuck; seems to be besides to point imo


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 2
    #28056409 - 11/17/22 03:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The left generally dislikes Israel, the right generally dislikes the Jews.

Both accuse each other of being the real antisemites, because it fits their narrative. The right wing, especially the Christian right, need Israel to exist so that it can kick off Armageddon and the Jews within Israel can be converted. The left generally thinks people should just let the Jews be.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Kryptos]
    #28056421 - 11/17/22 03:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

True enough. But I've even had 'hippy' left-wing people who listen to NPR and shit who disliked Israel so much all they would talk about is how the Jews are responsible for all the ills of the world; and how everything bad stems from Israel; shit like that.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28056438 - 11/17/22 03:52 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It is interesting that you managed to substitute "Jews" for "Israel" once within those three clauses.

Because I know of many leftists that will blame Israel for the ills of the world, I blame Israel for a fair number of things myself.

I do not know any leftists that blame Jews, however.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28056460 - 11/17/22 03:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Its real fine line my friend. A line that seems easily crossed.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 2
    #28056505 - 11/17/22 04:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Not really.

Israel is a right wing authoritarian theocracy that is illegally annexing land and carrying out a light genocide.

Jews are just people.

The only people that think there is a fine line between those are the people that want to use one as a human shield to protect the other.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28056532 - 11/17/22 04:23 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I disagree. If you hate a nation and blame it for all kinds of crazy illuminati shit and that nation is literally the only Jewish nation on Earth you pretty much hate Jews to some degree; lmao

Like Kanye having a big ass last of Jewish Hollywood executives, pointing out the ones that are Jews, and being pissed that there are so many of them. It's major sus.

I never met someone who hated Israel who I felt simultaneously had positive feelings towards Jews. Let's just say that.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28056555 - 11/17/22 04:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So if you disagree with the policies of the leadership of a nation, you automatically hate the people of that nation?

Since you have disagreed with Biden in the past, why do you hate Americans?


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 1
    #28056562 - 11/17/22 04:33 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The idea that Israel is the Jews and the dislike of Israel is antisemitic, is in itself, rooted in a common antisemitic trope.  That you are pushing it so hard is not at all surprising.  As Asante mentioned, everyone here knows your stance and your m.o. of false equivalence.  We have seen this tactic before.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Kryptos]
    #28056618 - 11/17/22 05:11 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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So if you disagree with the policies of the leadership of a nation, you automatically hate the people of that nation?

Since you have disagreed with Biden in the past, why do you hate Americans?



Well just imagine this. Imagine there was only a single Muslim nation, and a bunch of people hated that nation. And then they claimed that they didn't hate Muslims.

That said, I do get what you are saying, you can hate the government of a people without hating the people themselves. That said, ime, most people who hate Israel, don't like Jews either. Just saying.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28056638 - 11/17/22 05:20 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Criticism of Israel or of the policies of the Israeli government is not automatically antisemitic. For example, anyone is free to reject or criticise the Israeli government's policy regarding the Palestinian territories. This happens in Israel, too.



https://www.annefrank.org/en/topics/antisemitism/all-criticism-israel-antisemitic/

Again I would like to point out that equating Israel and Jews is itself antisemitic. It is part of the dual loyalty trope.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28057125 - 11/17/22 08:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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:yeahthatsfunny:

Okay Asante. Sure. Effects have no cause. And causes have no effect. :lol:




And what is your evidence that the alt-left also plays a big part in recent American antisemitism? This should include more than an anecdote or two.


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    #28057246 - 11/17/22 09:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

He's saying that if you don't support isreals homeland security operations then basically you think hitler did nothing wrong because a bunch of ironic college idiots over the years thought it was edgy or whatever they fuck to say free Palestine in their che Guevara t-shirts :facepalm:


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28057254 - 11/17/22 10:03 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Nah I'm just saying that if you hate Israel your opinions towards Jews in general is likely sus.


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    #28057257 - 11/17/22 10:05 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Oh well that seems more rational


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28057264 - 11/17/22 10:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

:shrug:

I think so.


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    #28057390 - 11/18/22 12:33 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So your opinion on Americans is most likely sus.

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    #28057398 - 11/18/22 12:43 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

My opinion of you is sus. That's for sure. lmao


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 1
    #28057417 - 11/18/22 12:58 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Leftists: America is stolen land and it belongs to the Native Americans!

Also leftists: Fuck Israel, Israel belongs to the Palestinians.

Trump: Israel is based Jewish rightful land.

The Bible: Jews will retake Israel.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28057442 - 11/18/22 01:55 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Nah I'm just saying that if you hate Israel your opinions towards Jews in general is likely sus.




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    #28057452 - 11/18/22 02:02 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Leftists: America is stolen land and it belongs to the Native Americans!

Also leftists: Fuck Israel, Israel belongs to the Palestinians.

Trump: Israel is based Jewish rightful land.

The Bible: Jews will retake Israel.





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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: koods]
    #28057461 - 11/18/22 02:47 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It is called meme magic and I blame the juice


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28057493 - 11/18/22 04:19 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Nah I'm just saying that if you hate Israel your opinions towards Jews in general is likely sus.




People on the left, and people like me who used to be on the left, who I will now refer to as left liberals or social democrats, pretty much all condemn Israel's treatment of Palestinians in the occupied/contested territories. In general Israel treats Palestinians who live in Israel proper much better, as well as other Arabs who live there. 

If you hate Israel, you're antisemitic. If you hate Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, that's a different matter. None of my Jewish friends (who admittedly are not a random sample of American Jews because of self selection on both of our parts) approves of Israel's actions in Gaza, etc.

Your comment specified how opinions are generally trending, which is relevant. But that depends on the source and the context. I don't think even the most extreme critics  of Israel's actions, such as, pick a name, Roger Waters or Noam Chomsky e.g., is antisemitic.

This thread was about increased antisemitism in the U.S. IMO that has more to do with MAGA extremists and ongoing festering antisemitism, than with Israel's objectionable state actions.


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    #28057676 - 11/18/22 07:33 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Guys thing is i'm actually unable to separate my opposition to israel from my antisemitism. If i am upset, there is no separation, it only exists when i try to explain away my antisemitism.




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    #28058141 - 11/18/22 12:08 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Nah I'm just saying that if you hate Israel your opinions towards Jews in general is likely sus.




People on the left, and people like me who used to be on the left, who I will now refer to as left liberals or social democrats, pretty much all condemn Israel's treatment of Palestinians in the occupied/contested territories. In general Israel treats Palestinians who live in Israel proper much better, as well as other Arabs who live there. 

If you hate Israel, you're antisemitic. If you hate Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, that's a different matter. None of my Jewish friends (who admittedly are not a random sample of American Jews because of self selection on both of our parts) approves of Israel's actions in Gaza, etc.

Your comment specified how opinions are generally trending, which is relevant. But that depends on the source and the context. I don't think even the most extreme critics  of Israel's actions, such as, pick a name, Roger Waters or Noam Chomsky e.g., is antisemitic.

This thread was about increased antisemitism in the U.S. IMO that has more to do with MAGA extremists and ongoing festering antisemitism, than with Israel's objectionable state actions.





Trump loves Israel, why if Israel was a man, Trump would suck his dick and he's against gay marriage.

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Guys thing is i'm actually unable to separate my opposition to israel from my antisemitism. If i am upset, there is no separation, it only exists when i try to explain away my antisemitism.



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    #28058269 - 11/18/22 01:54 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Jewish people deserve scorn and ridicule as much as christians and muslims do.  Anyone who is still clinging to primitive superstition, particularly as part of a hierarchy based on righteousness, deserves to be shamed for it.

I'm not sure that's ever gonna go away until we're extinct or religion becomes only historical.


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    #28058329 - 11/18/22 02:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

True enough, but I haven't seen any other famous people bringing up a list of names that are Muslim-Americans or Christian-Americans, or any race of Americans, showing them to their fans, and showing their obvious distaste for those people. Meanwhile Kanye is making lists of Jewish-Americans and showing them to his fans. And in the comments of those videos on tik tok, etc, thousands of people if not more than that are backing him and hating on the Jews.


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    #28058334 - 11/18/22 02:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Maybe you're too focused on what "famous people" think.  It's unhealthy to idolize people because they can talk in a certain rhythm.


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    #28058355 - 11/18/22 02:52 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I don't really care what they think. I do care what their millions of followers think. But nice try trying to gaslight me. For the thousandth time.


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    #28058356 - 11/18/22 02:53 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So, you don't care what they think, but you assume that other people do and you're worried what these other people might think that might be similar to what the famous person thinks.

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    #28058442 - 11/18/22 03:34 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Jewish people deserve scorn and ridicule as much as christians and muslims do.  Anyone who is still clinging to primitive superstition, particularly as part of a hierarchy based on righteousness, deserves to be shamed for it.

I'm not sure that's ever gonna go away until we're extinct or religion becomes only historical.




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    #28058443 - 11/18/22 03:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

No.  I have no problem with semites.  I have a problem with adherents of any religion.


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Quote:

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Jewish people deserve scorn and ridicule as much as christians and muslims do.  Anyone who is still clinging to primitive superstition, particularly as part of a hierarchy based on righteousness, deserves to be shamed for it.

I'm not sure that's ever gonna go away until we're extinct or religion becomes only historical.




So what you are saying is you are an antisemite





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    #28058454 - 11/18/22 03:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I'm pretty sure a bunch of Jews were rounded up simply because of their genealogy, regardless of their religious beliefs. And I'm pretty sure the same thing would happen again, should it happen again. Judaism is a religion, but Jews are a race of people. It shows up on the fkn DNA test.


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    #28058466 - 11/18/22 03:44 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Ancient Israelite aka jews were brown and almost black skinned. These Jewish race jews sure are awefully white these days.


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    #28058472 - 11/18/22 03:47 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Race isn't genetic, first of all.  Race is purely a social construct.  People who are identified as "jews" vary depending on who you are asking.  People who adhere to the faith are jews.  Also some people will identify "jewish" as an ethnicity. 

Hitler had his own idea of what a jew was and acted on his criteria.  None of that matters really.  What matters is that millions of people were killed simply because of an arbitrary classification.  It doesn't matter if it was based on religion, skin tone, nose shape, or liver size.  It doesn't become more or less tragic depending on how the classification was made.


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    #28058479 - 11/18/22 03:50 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

If I remember correctly when the tribes were driven out of Israel they went in different directions. Most of the whiter Jews moved into Russia and the rest of Europe, where I assume they intermarried, and that led to light skin. The darker skinned Jews moved into Syria, and other middle eastern countries. That middle eastern people themselves aren't that dark. Some are actually very white. That said it varies.

Regardless. Even 'white' Jews have their DNA marked as Jewish. And they are also the ones that are primarily hated in the west. The list of Jews that Kanye has are likely all pretty white.

As for the darker Jews, they have their own issues dealing with the Muslims, who barely put up with them from what I can tell.


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    #28058482 - 11/18/22 03:51 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

There is no "jewish DNA"


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Enlil]
    #28058487 - 11/18/22 03:53 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Race isn't genetic, first of all.  Race is purely a social construct.  People who are identified as "jews" vary depending on who you are asking.  People who adhere to the faith are jews.  Also some people will identify "jewish" as an ethnicity. 

Hitler had his own idea of what a jew was and acted on his criteria.  None of that matters really.  What matters is that millions of people were killed simply because of an arbitrary classification.  It doesn't matter if it was based on religion, skin tone, nose shape, or liver size.  It doesn't become more or less tragic depending on how the classification was made.



I agree with you. That said my family has taken DNA tests and it says we're Jewish. Pretty sure that would be enough for someone like Hitler. Or Kanye even.


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    #28058489 - 11/18/22 03:54 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The DNA tests can't tell you if you're jewish.  All they can tell you is that you have DNA that is common among people who are, in your culture, identified as jewish.


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There is no "jewish DNA"



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The DNA tests can't tell you if you're jewish.  All they can tell you is that you have DNA that is common among people who are, in your culture, identified as jewish.



Here we go again. Enlil being disagreeable for the sake of being disagreeable.

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    #28058494 - 11/18/22 03:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I disagree.  Not only do I disagree, but science disagrees.  Science has long abandoned the notion of genetic race in humans.  It is widely accepted that genetic variation within a race are the same as genetic variations among the races.  If anything, genetics have proven that race is just some made up shit to make people feel superior to others.


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    #28058500 - 11/18/22 04:02 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

If you say so. Regardless, the world still believes in race. They fight and kill over it.

What you're saying is like saying, 'everyone should just be nice to each other', but hey guess what that isn't the world we live in currently. I hope one day we will achieve such a peaceful world, but as of right now it feels like we have quite a ways to go.


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    #28058508 - 11/18/22 04:06 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

People aren't going to get nicer to each other.  People aren't going to be more peaceful.  People will multiply.  More people will share less stuff.  People will experience more misery and scarcity.  People will become more angry and desperate. 

Eventually, people will be extinct and a new, hopefully more mentally evolved, species will run the planet.


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    #28058518 - 11/18/22 04:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Your terribly sad outlook for the future of humanity explains a lot about why you say the things you say.

I have a more hopeful outlook. I believe technology will provide the ability to eliminate scarcity and humanity will then spread out into space.

“You will find fortune, though it will not be the fortune you seek. But first you must travel a long and difficult road, a road fraught with peril. You shall see things wonderful to tell. You shall see a cow on the roof of a cotton house, and oh so many startlements. I cannot tell how long this road shall be, but fear not the obstacles in your path, for fate has vouchsafed your reward. Though the road may wind, yea, your hearts grow weary, still shall ye follow them, even unto your salvation."



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Technology has already eliminated scarcity. Technology will never eliminate hoarding.


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True enough. What will then? But revolution?


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    #28058696 - 11/18/22 05:29 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Nah it is an infinite flat plane powered by Jesus christ who is the Arch Angel Michael.

How else could Adam and Eve and all their children live forever and infinity being fruitful and multiplying.

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    #28058711 - 11/18/22 05:38 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Ancient Israelite aka jews were brown and almost black skinned. These Jewish race jews sure are awefully white these days.




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    #28058729 - 11/18/22 05:48 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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    #28058904 - 11/18/22 07:23 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It was so hard to tell who was this supposed Jewish race that Germany made a law that jews had to wear stars so they could be identified and their ID documents would state they were jews. If someone was able to move and relocate somewhere and get new documents they were able to live life like normal again and the nazis all around them just thought they were fellow nazis.


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    #28058912 - 11/18/22 07:26 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I'm not sure what their methods were exactly, but I do remember something about them looking into birth records and such, and if you were related to a 'known' Jew than you were a Jew too or some shit. Idono. I imagine they probably went after last names. But if I remember right even if you had a german last name but you had a grandparent or parent or some shit with a jewish name then you were still counted as jewish and sent to the ghettos or whatever. Idono exactly. I'd have to go back and do more research. Unless someone else knows and can educate us.


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    #28058927 - 11/18/22 07:32 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Hitler along with his goons were constantly on meth. This was a meth binge psychotic delusion that they had going on. They noticed the jew bankers and then their thoughts spiraled on meth into kill mode. If you were disabled, retarded, crippled it was kill time.


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I suppose. They probably were on acid too. Both were made around the same time. That said, I've done both acid and meth, and when I'm on them I don't want to kill people, nor do I hate people, usually the worst is that I become disappointed in myself or something to that degree. I've actually had a lot of trippy 'supernatural' spiritual experiences on meth, but I've never hurt anyone on meth.

psa: i haven't done meth in like a year.

That said I think Hitler was probably right at getting mad at corrupt 'illuminati' bankers (many of whom just so happened to be Jewish) that said, casting the same net over poor, and working class Jews, among all the other minorities he didn't like made no fkn sense at all


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Hitler probably thought maybe he was wrong but then got mad about his circumcision.


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hey it could be worse... :shrug:

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Hitler along with his goons were constantly on meth. This was a meth binge psychotic delusion that they had going on. They noticed the jew bankers and then their thoughts spiraled on meth into kill mode. If you were disabled, retarded, crippled it was kill time.




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1 hour left at work. I got silent hill 1 working on my phone so it's gonna blow by fast.



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    #28059330 - 11/18/22 11:48 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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A misprinted Susan B Anthony coin came out of the vending machine for me today, Juding by what I am seeing on ebay it is worth 175 - 250 dollars.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: budmanman]
    #28059523 - 11/19/22 06:25 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Nah I'm just saying that if you hate Israel your opinions towards Jews in general is likely sus.




People on the left, and people like me who used to be on the left, who I will now refer to as left liberals or social democrats, pretty much all condemn Israel's treatment of Palestinians in the occupied/contested territories. In general Israel treats Palestinians who live in Israel proper much better, as well as other Arabs who live there. 

If you hate Israel, you're antisemitic. If you hate Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, that's a different matter. None of my Jewish friends (who admittedly are not a random sample of American Jews because of self selection on both of our parts) approves of Israel's actions in Gaza, etc.

Your comment specified how opinions are generally trending, which is relevant. But that depends on the source and the context. I don't think even the most extreme critics  of Israel's actions, such as, pick a name, Roger Waters or Noam Chomsky e.g., is antisemitic.

This thread was about increased antisemitism in the U.S. IMO that has more to do with MAGA extremists and ongoing festering antisemitism, than with Israel's objectionable state actions.





Trump loves Israel, why if Israel was a man, Trump would suck his dick and he's against gay marriage.

So I don't see how MAGA is to blame.




Trump loves Israel because fundamentalist Christians (and the ones who vote, vote for him) love Israel. Fundamentalists love Israel because Jesus was born there; that's it, period.  Fundamentalists don't like Jews. Trump has very conditional views about Jews. He thought they would come flocking to him because of his moves in favor of the Israeli state, but they still vote Democrat as they have always done, and Trump has a major problem with that.

I personally am convinced that recent American antisemitism significantly comes from MAGA types and fundamentalists, although only the stupider and more foolish ones would commit overt acts. I'm not going to paint all members of those two large overlapping groups with the same brush.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28059542 - 11/19/22 06:46 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

And nearly the same thing applies to recent violence against Asian Americans. Trump was taken down largely by Covid and his Kung Flu rhetoric inspired his stupidest followers. Always got to find some one to blame. Who cares if the person who got hit in the head with a brick was Thai or Japanese? They all look the same.


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Hitler along with his goons were constantly on meth. This was a meth binge psychotic delusion that they had going on. They noticed the jew bankers and then their thoughts spiraled on meth into kill mode. If you were disabled, retarded, crippled it was kill time.




Wtf




Sure it was a strange post. We frequently put our soldiers and pilots on speed. But the Nazi's were tweaking all the way to the top. The master race ideology was already there, but I can see the argument that meth played a part in how far they carried it out.


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    #28059582 - 11/19/22 07:16 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

He has a jr highschool mentality about going after anyone who looks different, or in this case just has a name that sounds different.

I am enthusiastically awaiting the inevitable demographic reality of racial replacement so you can't win anywhere with the white vote. Bring on pluralism.


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    #28059727 - 11/19/22 09:05 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Brian Jones]
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He has a jr highschool mentality about going after anyone who looks different, or in this case just has a name that sounds different.

I am enthusiastically awaiting the inevitable demographic reality of racial replacement so you can't win anywhere with the white vote. Bring on pluralism.




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    #28059851 - 11/19/22 10:41 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I can't remember. Were there any who were taken alive that didn't plead guilty?


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    #28059855 - 11/19/22 10:42 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The Long Island RR shooter famously defended himself at trial.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Enlil]
    #28059868 - 11/19/22 10:55 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Wow I had never heard of that guy and looked it up and that was very a very interesting read to say the least.

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I think he's still alive.


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I guess in states without capital punishment it wouldn't hurt to take it to trial because they are going to get life anyway, so no additional penalty for a trial.


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LWOP isn't really a lot better, so many LWOP cases go to trial as well.


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Yeah I forget that LWOP is really life, and life isn't. Does California still have automatic edibility for first parole hearing at 7 years for life sentences?


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Something like that.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Enlil]
    #28060008 - 11/19/22 12:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Jewish people deserve scorn and ridicule as much as christians and muslims do.  Anyone who is still clinging to primitive superstition, particularly as part of a hierarchy based on righteousness, deserves to be shamed for it.

I'm not sure that's ever gonna go away until we're extinct or religion becomes only historical.




But people who call themselves Christians or Moslems are almost invariable religious. Many Jews are not. They don't lose that identification if they are atheists or agnostics.


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    #28060014 - 11/19/22 12:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

As much as I recognize that people use the word that way, that use of the word is based on an arbitrary classification like any racial classification.  It's certainly not my use of the word.


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The Long Island RR shooter famously defended himself at trial.




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As much as I recognize that people use the word that way, that use of the word is based on an arbitrary classification like any racial classification.  It's certainly not my use of the word.




I think "Jewish" has a broad range of meanings, and particularly for the Jews that I know or knew back in school, is mainly a term of self-identification, and the strength of that identification was magnified by previous extreme oppression and some current. IDK how religious most Jews are. We know there is a spectrum of classifications within the religion; orthodox, reform, etc. I personally never knew any Jews who talked about their religious beliefs, which contrasts with some Christians and Muslims, who a don't hesitate to talk about theirs. Judaism doesn't have core dogmatic beliefs compared to the later Abrahamic offshoots.

There was a certain historical effort to maintain Jewish identity, with anyone born to a Jewish mother or a convert considered by them to be a Jew, and a Jewish father probably. One way or the other, there is no consensus on the number of Jews in the world. I'm paraphrasing others here: the Jews are a people and not a religion. and Jewishness and Judaism are not necessarily the same thing. This quote probably confuses as much as it clarifies, "The underlying distinction between religion and ethnicity is foreign to Judaism itself".

But I care less about all that than my regular responses here to right wingers who may or may not be antisemitic. That being the reason why Jews have above average achievement outcomes is their culture promoting education and success (similar to Asian Americans) and not because of the Rothchilds. I know I took a roundabout way to getting there. Prejudice goes on for many generations and Woody Guthrie was probably right when he sang that it will last until everyone is too interbred to care.


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    #28061691 - 11/20/22 01:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

There is a lot of evidence that Elon Musks parents were Jewish but Elon Musk is clearly Atheist and not a Jew.  Despite his name and his fathers name having meanings in Hebrew, he is not a Jew.

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    #28062771 - 11/21/22 06:29 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Elon Musk has never confirmed or denied being Jewish. He studied at a Hebrew school when he was young. Being an atheist is irrelevant.

However if his mother had been Jewish, many in the Jewish community would consider him Jewish, even if he denied being one.


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    #28062849 - 11/21/22 07:47 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Which is what makes it a completely arbitrary social construct.  If being "jewish" is arbitrarily defined and differs depending on who you ask, then being "anti-jewish" is equally as arbitrarily defined.


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    #28062898 - 11/21/22 08:23 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

i dont keep up so sorry for being the little kid in the room but why does it matter if musk is jewish or not?

why would that ever matter? is or isnt. open or not. practicing or agnostic. who fucking cares??

hes an idiot and stupidity doesnt discriminate.


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    #28062905 - 11/21/22 08:26 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

You have a point but neither is completely arbitrarily defined; there's just definitional wiggle room. I'm all for social construction of reality explanations, but the whole, "who is a Jew" thing has centuries of tradition and probably is literally set in stone somewhere.


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    #28063309 - 11/21/22 01:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

If elon is a jew then he is apart of the statistics of Jewish billionaires and if he isn't a jew then he is outside of that statistic of Jewish billionaires of which is .02% of the population but about 40% of the billionaires.  Should elon be one of the Jewish billionaires in the statistics or not. That is one reason why it matters. For the stats


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    #28063314 - 11/21/22 01:18 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

That stat means nothing.  The fact that you think it means something says a lot about you, though.


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    #28063318 - 11/21/22 01:26 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

You'd probably be more successful if you were a jew Lawyer you should convert simply from a business aspect

I know if I was going to hire a lawyer and I had a choice on which one to hire there would be a leaning to hire one over the other


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People assume I am jewish.


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Maybe the Jew was deep inside you all along


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    #28063322 - 11/21/22 01:33 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Not that I recall, but there have been a few nights that I don't remember clearly....


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28142675 - 01/16/23 10:51 AM (1 year, 11 days ago)

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Jewish people deserve scorn and ridicule as much as christians and muslims do.  Anyone who is still clinging to primitive superstition, particularly as part of a hierarchy based on righteousness, deserves to be shamed for it.

I'm not sure that's ever gonna go away until we're extinct or religion becomes only historical.




But people who call themselves Christians or Moslems are almost invariable religious. Many Jews are not. They don't lose that identification if they are atheists or agnostics.




I don't consider it to be 100% true.
I think most of the christian, muslim, jew or whatever else definition lies in cultural environment.
I live in a country where most people are Catholic Christian. I know plenty of people taht define themselves atheist, but i swear that their cultural values mostly fit with Catholic ones, despite their intentions, when it comes to ethical concepts. So, even if they are obviously free to consider themself what they want, i'd still consider them catholics, or 'mostly catholic', or 'of catholic culture'. Same goes for Muslims and in theory for Jews.
Jews in my are deserve a special exception because their community here is so ancient that they absorbed most of ethical values and common sense of the predominant Catholic society.
Cultural environment you are raised in is what i consider relevant: that's what affect a discussion with them about most issues. I don't think the name one gives to God is very important. Also i believe that owning to a religion is mostly a political convention, while the idea of God is quite strictly personal, despite obviously conditioned by cultural environment.


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    #28145260 - 01/17/23 11:08 PM (1 year, 9 days ago)

No one said was 100% true. It was a probabilistic statement. Almost invariably doesn't mean invariably. I still maintain that most people who call themselves Christians are religious. It depends where you live. Polish Catholics are usually religious. In Quebec or the Czech Republic, people of Catholic heritage are increasingly becoming atheists. It may take another generation before they stop calling themselves Catholics.


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    #28145278 - 01/17/23 11:25 PM (1 year, 9 days ago)

Sorry, i wasn't clear...my poor english vocabulary.
For 100% i didn't mean 'in 100% of cases'; i meant that your statement in general isn't correct (IMO) in a qualitative sense, not statistically.
I agree that most people calling themself Muslim or Christian are actually religious.
My point is that also atheist people who are raised in a strongly Catholic (for example) country/family are, to a certain extent, Catholics.

I have personally observed a lot of examples who made me get to this conclusion...


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