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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28056532 - 11/17/22 04:23 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I disagree. If you hate a nation and blame it for all kinds of crazy illuminati shit and that nation is literally the only Jewish nation on Earth you pretty much hate Jews to some degree; lmao

Like Kanye having a big ass last of Jewish Hollywood executives, pointing out the ones that are Jews, and being pissed that there are so many of them. It's major sus.

I never met someone who hated Israel who I felt simultaneously had positive feelings towards Jews. Let's just say that.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28056555 - 11/17/22 04:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So if you disagree with the policies of the leadership of a nation, you automatically hate the people of that nation?

Since you have disagreed with Biden in the past, why do you hate Americans?


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 1
    #28056562 - 11/17/22 04:33 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The idea that Israel is the Jews and the dislike of Israel is antisemitic, is in itself, rooted in a common antisemitic trope.  That you are pushing it so hard is not at all surprising.  As Asante mentioned, everyone here knows your stance and your m.o. of false equivalence.  We have seen this tactic before.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Kryptos]
    #28056618 - 11/17/22 05:11 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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So if you disagree with the policies of the leadership of a nation, you automatically hate the people of that nation?

Since you have disagreed with Biden in the past, why do you hate Americans?



Well just imagine this. Imagine there was only a single Muslim nation, and a bunch of people hated that nation. And then they claimed that they didn't hate Muslims.

That said, I do get what you are saying, you can hate the government of a people without hating the people themselves. That said, ime, most people who hate Israel, don't like Jews either. Just saying.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28056638 - 11/17/22 05:20 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Criticism of Israel or of the policies of the Israeli government is not automatically antisemitic. For example, anyone is free to reject or criticise the Israeli government's policy regarding the Palestinian territories. This happens in Israel, too.



https://www.annefrank.org/en/topics/antisemitism/all-criticism-israel-antisemitic/

Again I would like to point out that equating Israel and Jews is itself antisemitic. It is part of the dual loyalty trope.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28057125 - 11/17/22 08:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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:yeahthatsfunny:

Okay Asante. Sure. Effects have no cause. And causes have no effect. :lol:




And what is your evidence that the alt-left also plays a big part in recent American antisemitism? This should include more than an anecdote or two.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28057246 - 11/17/22 09:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

He's saying that if you don't support isreals homeland security operations then basically you think hitler did nothing wrong because a bunch of ironic college idiots over the years thought it was edgy or whatever they fuck to say free Palestine in their che Guevara t-shirts :facepalm:


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28057254 - 11/17/22 10:03 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Nah I'm just saying that if you hate Israel your opinions towards Jews in general is likely sus.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28057257 - 11/17/22 10:05 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Oh well that seems more rational


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
    #28057264 - 11/17/22 10:07 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

:shrug:

I think so.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28057390 - 11/18/22 12:33 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So your opinion on Americans is most likely sus.

:shrug:


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28057398 - 11/18/22 12:43 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

My opinion of you is sus. That's for sure. lmao


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 1
    #28057417 - 11/18/22 12:58 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Leftists: America is stolen land and it belongs to the Native Americans!

Also leftists: Fuck Israel, Israel belongs to the Palestinians.

Trump: Israel is based Jewish rightful land.

The Bible: Jews will retake Israel.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28057442 - 11/18/22 01:55 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Nah I'm just saying that if you hate Israel your opinions towards Jews in general is likely sus.




Lol bullshit


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: budmanman] * 1
    #28057452 - 11/18/22 02:02 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Leftists: America is stolen land and it belongs to the Native Americans!

Also leftists: Fuck Israel, Israel belongs to the Palestinians.

Trump: Israel is based Jewish rightful land.

The Bible: Jews will retake Israel.





This is what memes do to your brain


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: koods]
    #28057461 - 11/18/22 02:47 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It is called meme magic and I blame the juice


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28057493 - 11/18/22 04:19 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Nah I'm just saying that if you hate Israel your opinions towards Jews in general is likely sus.




People on the left, and people like me who used to be on the left, who I will now refer to as left liberals or social democrats, pretty much all condemn Israel's treatment of Palestinians in the occupied/contested territories. In general Israel treats Palestinians who live in Israel proper much better, as well as other Arabs who live there. 

If you hate Israel, you're antisemitic. If you hate Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, that's a different matter. None of my Jewish friends (who admittedly are not a random sample of American Jews because of self selection on both of our parts) approves of Israel's actions in Gaza, etc.

Your comment specified how opinions are generally trending, which is relevant. But that depends on the source and the context. I don't think even the most extreme critics  of Israel's actions, such as, pick a name, Roger Waters or Noam Chomsky e.g., is antisemitic.

This thread was about increased antisemitism in the U.S. IMO that has more to do with MAGA extremists and ongoing festering antisemitism, than with Israel's objectionable state actions.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 1
    #28057676 - 11/18/22 07:33 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Guys thing is i'm actually unable to separate my opposition to israel from my antisemitism. If i am upset, there is no separation, it only exists when i try to explain away my antisemitism.




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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28058141 - 11/18/22 12:08 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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336 said:
Nah I'm just saying that if you hate Israel your opinions towards Jews in general is likely sus.




People on the left, and people like me who used to be on the left, who I will now refer to as left liberals or social democrats, pretty much all condemn Israel's treatment of Palestinians in the occupied/contested territories. In general Israel treats Palestinians who live in Israel proper much better, as well as other Arabs who live there. 

If you hate Israel, you're antisemitic. If you hate Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, that's a different matter. None of my Jewish friends (who admittedly are not a random sample of American Jews because of self selection on both of our parts) approves of Israel's actions in Gaza, etc.

Your comment specified how opinions are generally trending, which is relevant. But that depends on the source and the context. I don't think even the most extreme critics  of Israel's actions, such as, pick a name, Roger Waters or Noam Chomsky e.g., is antisemitic.

This thread was about increased antisemitism in the U.S. IMO that has more to do with MAGA extremists and ongoing festering antisemitism, than with Israel's objectionable state actions.





Trump loves Israel, why if Israel was a man, Trump would suck his dick and he's against gay marriage.

So I don't see how MAGA is to blame.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Asante]
    #28058203 - 11/18/22 01:03 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Guys thing is i'm actually unable to separate my opposition to israel from my antisemitism. If i am upset, there is no separation, it only exists when i try to explain away my antisemitism.



:justno:


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