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The Return of Antisemitism
    #28054737 - 11/16/22 04:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I don't know about you guys, but I'm seeing a disturbing trend in the youth in particular towards antisemitism. Especially now thanks to people like Kanye, hatred towards Jews is becoming a mainstream thing again. What do you guys think? Do we have to worry about concentration camps or gas chambers in the future? Again?

I mean for a long time it has just been primarily small alt-right KKK fringe-groups that were hating on the Jews. But now we got Kanye fans desecrating Jewish cemeteries and shit.



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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 1
    #28054958 - 11/16/22 06:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

it just enters your sphere again, but antisemitism never went away.

its now up because of the rise of the alt right.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28054959 - 11/16/22 06:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

tbh i feel the alt-left has a big part to play in it all as well...


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28054974 - 11/16/22 06:22 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

there is no alt left.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28054984 - 11/16/22 06:27 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

:yeahthatsfunny:

Okay Asante. Sure. Effects have no cause. And causes have no effect. :lol:


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28055498 - 11/16/22 11:29 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Kanye fans haven't really been left for some time now. Most actually left people dropped his idiot ass when he put on a MAGA hat. Just like how the left is dropping Musk right now.

Personally, I never really liked Kanye. College dropout was very mediocre, and I didn't really listen past that.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28055724 - 11/17/22 07:07 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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there is no alt left.



There's definitely and alt left aka the extreme left and flat out communist in this country although honestly I feel like alot of it was fed by russian trolls or something during the past few election cycles and has cooled off a ton in the past 2 or 3 years. We've also seen alot of these extreme left policies fall flat on thier face in disastrous train wrecks in that time. Really these people are almost just as extreme as the alt right but just going the other way. Left leaning people just put up with these extreme views because they view them as progressive but alot remain on the fringes of logic and morality. As far as anti Semitism I've always spoken out against it and encourage others to do the same anytime they encounter any kind of hatespeech. It's no longer cool or edgy to ve racist or whathave you and its easier than ever to call these people out for not respecting others.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28055729 - 11/17/22 07:14 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Kanye fans haven't really been left for some time now. Most actually left people dropped his idiot ass when he put on a MAGA hat. Just like how the left is dropping Musk right now.

Personally, I never really liked Kanye. College dropout was very mediocre, and I didn't really listen past that.



Yes kanye always sucked from the start and was grossly over rated and marketed to the dumbest retards in our country who ate it up. There's always this notion with these industry executives that you have to play to the lowest common denominator. We see it all the time in music and movies and in a more recent phenomenon in politics and news media. Why? It only serves to retardize the country whereas if you produce something truely intriguing everyone will like it rather than just the stupid people you told to like it liking it and everyone else talking about it because it's a giant controversial joke. It just takes you know thought and effort and these scumbags would rather fuck up the country ripping folks off. Gotta face facts somethings got to change.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 1
    #28055808 - 11/17/22 08:21 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

There is no alt-left.  The closest left equivalent to alt-right would be antifa.  That being said, they are not comparable, the government has gone to great lengths to investigate antifa and find domestic terrorists in that movement for political purposes, trying to find terrorists so those on the right could point at a d say the left is as bad as the right extremists.  Apparently even though none were found, looks like lots of people bought the propaganda.

https://gizmodo.com/donald-trump-homeland-security-report-antifa-portland-1849718673


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Ice9]
    #28055889 - 11/17/22 09:52 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Alt stands for 'alternative' and refers to the departure from then-current conservative politics in the USA. If yall remember the failed 'Unite the Right' march, that was intended to bring together these two disparate parts once the alt-right had become established.

Communists and antifascists aren't a similar 'alternative' approach to left politics - this is what left politics has consisted of since inception. This is why there's no alt-left.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28055926 - 11/17/22 10:22 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Alt stands for 'alternative' and refers to the departure from then-current conservative politics in the USA. If yall remember the failed 'Unite the Right' march, that was intended to bring together these two disparate parts once the alt-right had become established.

Communists and antifascists aren't a similar 'alternative' approach to left politics - this is what left politics has consisted of since inception. This is why there's no alt-left.





exactly this.

Alt right is an euphemism to get nazism and fascism back into the fascii of rightwing politics, without actually naming it that.

a socialist, communist or antifa will tell you to their face what they are because the spirit of unity in letting the people rise despite of oppression is nothinbg to be ashamed of.

Gulags were communism gone wrong, death camps were fascism done right.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 2
    #28056229 - 11/17/22 01:48 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

You guys really do love to argue semantics don't you? Okay fine there is no alt-left. We'll call them the far-left. There does that make you communist freaks happy?


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 1
    #28056300 - 11/17/22 02:32 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

No its the semantics of the far right, dubbing the left alt left to give themselves legitimacy.

its the racist right or facist right, thats the alternative they offer.

We're calling a spade a spade.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28056310 - 11/17/22 02:37 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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336 said:

I mean for a long time it has just been primarily small alt-right KKK fringe-groups that were hating on the Jews. But now we got Kanye fans desecrating Jewish cemeteries and shit.







kkk fringe groups have always identified as oner of their enemies when attacking another enemy, to make both look bad.

kinda like how the unabomber sent mail bombs to his primary target with his secondary target as the return address in case it wasnt delivered. :unabomber:

Who says that factual kanye fans defiled that tombstone? His whole life kanye has been about himself and now he comments on Jews immediately his fans storm cemetaries to defile graves out of antisemitism? Totally not buying that.


lets look at your starting post a bit closer:


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Especially now thanks to people like Kanye, hatred towards Jews is becoming a mainstream thing again. What do you guys think? Do we have to worry about concentration camps or gas chambers in the future? Again?






never mind the alt right, the "jews shall not replace us" chants and all that, you pitch the rise in antisemitisn as being instigated by a black hiphop man and his fans. That is clever only in a messed up mind. People of more acumen recognize you are furthering the racial right agenda, which you are known for, by trying to direct anti racist outrage about antisemitism asway friom your white friends in black boots and towards black people and their music whom they generally do not favor.

"they're too stupid to notice" goes for surprisingly few people, they just dont chisel; it out in front of you, just take mental note of where you stand.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Asante]
    #28056360 - 11/17/22 03:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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No its the semantics of the far right, dubbing the left alt left to give themselves legitimacy.

its the racist right or facist right, thats the alternative they offer.

We're calling a spade a spade.



if you say so. I find that when you look into far-right or far-left places online you find the same hatred toward Israel and Jews in general. :shrug:

personally, idgaf if you call them alt or far or whatever the fuck; seems to be besides to point imo


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 2
    #28056409 - 11/17/22 03:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The left generally dislikes Israel, the right generally dislikes the Jews.

Both accuse each other of being the real antisemites, because it fits their narrative. The right wing, especially the Christian right, need Israel to exist so that it can kick off Armageddon and the Jews within Israel can be converted. The left generally thinks people should just let the Jews be.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Kryptos]
    #28056421 - 11/17/22 03:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

True enough. But I've even had 'hippy' left-wing people who listen to NPR and shit who disliked Israel so much all they would talk about is how the Jews are responsible for all the ills of the world; and how everything bad stems from Israel; shit like that.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336]
    #28056438 - 11/17/22 03:52 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

It is interesting that you managed to substitute "Jews" for "Israel" once within those three clauses.

Because I know of many leftists that will blame Israel for the ills of the world, I blame Israel for a fair number of things myself.

I do not know any leftists that blame Jews, however.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28056460 - 11/17/22 03:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Its real fine line my friend. A line that seems easily crossed.


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Re: The Return of Antisemitism [Re: 336] * 2
    #28056505 - 11/17/22 04:15 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Not really.

Israel is a right wing authoritarian theocracy that is illegally annexing land and carrying out a light genocide.

Jews are just people.

The only people that think there is a fine line between those are the people that want to use one as a human shield to protect the other.


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