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A New World Order - According to the Russians
    #28054704 - 11/16/22 03:57 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Was browsing the news, went to RT, saw one of the top articles was "Andrey Kortunov: American attempts to preserve hegemony will only make the transition to a new world order harder for Washington"

I guess we're just openly admitting to the New World Order now eh?

"The focus on maintaining dominance in Europe, while postponing the shift to Asia, shows that Washington’s elderly elites are stuck in the 20th century"

"It has to be admitted that, despite all of its obvious weaknesses and limitations, the US remains an indispensable power, without whose participation (all the more so if it is actively opposed) the solution of many regional and global problems is impossible. America’s unique position in the modern world is determined not so much by the strength of the United States itself, as by the weakness or, more precisely, by the immaturity of most other players in world politics, who are not yet quite ready to take on the difficult role of the main protectors of global public goods, let alone to be the main architects of the new world order"

https://www.rt.com/news/566635-andrey-kortunov-american-attempts/


Another article reads: "Sergey Karaganov: We are witnessing the birth of a new world order where West will have to live within its means"

https://www.rt.com/russia/565676-karaganov-new-world-order/


Thoughts? Anyone give a fuck anymore at this point?

P.S. This is not a conspiracy theory thread. This is literally mainstream news at this point.


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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: 336] * 1
    #28054716 - 11/16/22 04:06 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I guess we're just openly admitting to the New World Order now eh?






Not we. Just RT news wanting to cash on conspiracies in order to push propaganda.

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"It has to be admitted that, despite all of its obvious weaknesses and limitations,....




Not as weak as the second most powerful army in the world......which now seems to be the second most powerful in the war against Ukraine.

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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: 336] * 1
    #28054722 - 11/16/22 04:08 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I think it's painfully obvious that these things are happening right now. But what can we do unless humanity is completely unified against these forces without things like race, gender, politics, religion getting in the way (Which they are intentionally using to divide us). Even if you don't actively contribute to that it is pretty clear to me that you will not be able to fight them if you get drawn into their storm. A solution then? Draw others into your peace, build true community, not just online but in your own neighborhoods, cities, etc. Maybe even build your own communities. Homesteading is getting a lot more popular as of recent, and even though some states for example here in the US have really restrictive zoning regulations if you do the research you will be all good. At this point, it is inevitable. There is going to be no force coming to save us, which I feel is the reason why there is much inaction, we have to save us.

That's my personal thoughts on it, be able to focus on other things, don't get drawn into the chaos. Once you can draw others into your peace, the storm will not weather you down.

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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: sli_ver]
    #28054747 - 11/16/22 04:17 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)



I agree with you my friend. I'm halfway there. But I've gotten lazy and complacent recently.


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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: sli_ver]
    #28054791 - 11/16/22 04:36 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I think it's painfully obvious that these things are happening right now. But what can we do unless humanity is completely unified against these forces without things like race, gender, politics, religion getting in the way (Which they are intentionally using to divide us). Even if you don't actively contribute to that it is pretty clear to me that you will not be able to fight them if you get drawn into their storm. A solution then? Draw others into your peace, build true community, not just online but in your own neighborhoods, cities, etc. Maybe even build your own communities. Homesteading is getting a lot more popular as of recent, and even though some states for example here in the US have really restrictive zoning regulations if you do the research you will be all good. At this point, it is inevitable. There is going to be no force coming to save us, which I feel is the reason why there is much inaction, we have to save us.

That's my personal thoughts on it, be able to focus on other things, don't get drawn into the chaos. Once you can draw others into your peace, the storm will not weather you down.




If we all work together and build a global community, we can prevent the formation of a global effort to work together and build community.

This here is some smrt thinking.

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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28054795 - 11/16/22 04:39 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I think the difference is that one is built freely and the other is enforced by authoritarians.


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    #28054906 - 11/16/22 05:44 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

That is the case, yes.

The current NWO, or at least the closest we have to a NWO, is a voluntary agreement between nations called the UN.

A secondary, and growing NWO, is one of capital. That whole "you will own nothing and you will like it" speech from Davos represents the ongoing shift from ownership to subscription-based access to goods and services, such as renting instead of owning houses, paying a monthly fee for heated seats in your BMW, etc.

The newest iteration of an NWO is exemplified by the Chinese social ecosphere company WeChat, which combines classic social media, chat functionality, banking services, government ID, email, social scores, etc. into one app that is required on everybody's phone. This is also Elon Musk's vision for the future of Twitter, which he is calling "X".

The problem, as I see it, is that the NWO conspiracy theories demonize the first system of voluntary association as "big government overreach", while lionizing the second and third options as being somehow more free.

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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: Kryptos]
    #28054922 - 11/16/22 05:54 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

While I do appreciate your breakdown, you kinda purposefully ignored what we were actually talking about. Which is individuals helping their community, and building their own communties, freely. Not 'UN nations 'freely' voting on NWO agendas'. I mean come on bro, you don't have to gaslight so hard.

That said, I don't like either of the NWO avenues that you proposed. The third option, the one that silver mentioned, I do really like. That said, it has been increasingly difficult to implement as the economy gets worse and the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. Sadly the rich don't seem to want to make any hippy communes, other than the creepy Epstein variety...

All that said, the NWO is a place for the rich, under their plans the future for the poor is extremely bleak, with little to no opportunity for growth or improvement. Other than being given just enough food rations to survive and a fkn 100sqft coffin-apartment that you rent to death. Fuck that.


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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: 336] * 1
    #28055496 - 11/16/22 11:28 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Perhaps you should look into the Zapatistas.

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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: 336]
    #28057599 - 11/18/22 06:47 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

OK so two links from RT. I'll start with the more immediate issues first. There are some obviously accurate statements, such as Russia not anticipating the strength of Western involvement in the war, questions on the readiness of Russian military capabilities, and the necessity of American involvement (or my words here, a withdrawal of that involvement) to end the war.

Some points about the past made no sense to me, but look different from their point of view. The author saw our involvement in Yugoslavia as highly offensive interference in their sphere. That civil war started the year the USSR broke up. We saw it as a huge humanitarian crisis, and my bias is being a quarter Croatian. I don't know the details or how much we did the right or wrong things. I do remember our response involved almost no boots on the ground, and probably for that reason there wasn't really an American antiwar sentiment involving it. And I'll repeat myself here that we are more motivated to step in when humanitarian crises involve white people.

The author also made frequent mention of the U.S. war with Afghanistan, which interfering in Russia's sphere of influence or not, merits criticism. Whether we started it for the right reasons or not, it went on for 20 years and did not produce positive results. I didn't read every single word of both articles, but don't recall any mention of the Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan. First, that failure was a major cause of the end of the Soviet Union. Second, if sphere's of influence is the rationale for just vs unjust, then how do you reason criticism of U.S. involvement in Latin America, which deserves major criticism.

On the much bigger issue of a new world order after declining American hegemony, that appears to be highly likely but is the timeline many years or many decades? The RT articles IMO have a mistaken view of Russia's major place in that new world order. Hegemony requires money to burn. Russia doesn't have it and wont in the future. China and India will be way ahead. Whether India will continue to be a democracy may be in question, and that would have a bearing on how close China and India can ally. If we say Russia is a major power because of it's nuclear weapon arsenal, then the U.S. will be a greater power even in decline from The Superpower, unless Western capitalism completely falls apart, and I don't think China or India want that either.


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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: 336]
    #28057789 - 11/18/22 08:28 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Openly admitting a new world order Isn't new.  Bush Sr. did it publicly.  The problem is that conspiracy nutters have opined that a new world order means some kind of global government.  It doesn't and never has.


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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: Enlil]
    #28057970 - 11/18/22 09:55 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Similar to how the deep state has been portrayed here, which means on many other parts of the internet as well, as a boogie man. The "deep state" saved us from the Trump administration IMO. Some here view Trump as this antiwar dude and call the Dems the party of war. Trump wanted to first strike North Korea, but the deep state and one or two his sane cabinet members prevented it.


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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28057981 - 11/18/22 10:00 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

A word to the wise here:

The notion of a "new world order" isn't new and is a valid political topic.  The idea of some conspiracy of shadowy government figures to take over the world in some one-world government, however, is not a proper subject for this forum.  If this thread stays on topic and clear of the conspiracy theories, I'll let it go.  If it goes into conspiracy nuttery, I'm locking it and banning the offenders.


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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: Enlil]
    #28058078 - 11/18/22 11:13 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

When I was in highschool back in the 90s people talked about the new world order all the time .  It was all conspiracy nutterery  , and 25 years later were no closer to whatever people thought would happen than we were back then . I'd say we are trending away from it .


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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: Psilynut2] * 2
    #28058204 - 11/18/22 01:05 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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25 years later were no closer to whatever people thought would happen than we were back then . I'd say we are trending away from it .



ummm. did you completely forget about the past 2 years? lmao


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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: Brian Jones]
    #28058332 - 11/18/22 02:41 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Similar to how the deep state has been portrayed here, which means on many other parts of the internet as well, as a boogie man. The "deep state" saved us from the Trump administration IMO. Some here view Trump as this antiwar dude and call the Dems the party of war. Trump wanted to first strike North Korea, but the deep state and one or two his sane cabinet members prevented it.




There are 2 sides to every coin, it cuts both ways, etc.
Yes, the deep state exists to maintain continuity of government and put the brakes on any 1 moron who starts doing stupid shit but those same functions also put the brakes on progress.

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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28058512 - 11/18/22 04:10 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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ummm. did you completely forget about the past 2 years? lmao



 
  Perhaps I just didn't even notice , how you fill me in on what happened .


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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: Psilynut2] * 1
    #28058523 - 11/18/22 04:17 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

If you "haven't noticed", then you will refuse to believe even if I showed you.


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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: 336]
    #28058755 - 11/18/22 06:02 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

You must not be that confident in what you have to say if that's what you think .  You have no idea how gullible  I might be .


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Re: A New World Order - According to the Russians [Re: Psilynut2]
    #28058865 - 11/18/22 07:07 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I'm just tired I guess. I spent most of 2020 and 2021 acting like TheNewlyNovel. With little success. So even if I could go and find a bunch of links and sources I don't think it would matter. You'd refute them for reasons 'a-z' and we'd go around and around in a circle arguing over semantics. :shrug:

i love you tho; I still do remember that we are all one. For whatever that's worth. :peace: :heart: :tongue2:


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