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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: milkboy] * 1
    #28062405 - 11/20/22 08:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Well poop, I'm sorry to hear that Milkboy! I made some wheat pints for tonight, in solidarity with you. I also made a couple oat jars for nostalgia. I'll get pics later, I'll also grab a pic of my wheat for comparison.

Thank you for trying again.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28062489 - 11/20/22 10:21 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

This is awesome yoshi! Thanks for sharing.

Have you had success with these ratios with bigger grain bags?


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: mind.at.large]
    #28063058 - 11/21/22 10:50 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Hello Mind.at.large, so far I've only done up to 3 pound bags. They seem do fine but use slightly less water.

Milkboy, I tell you hwhat. You might not know this but sometimes I am a complete dumbass! Did you try hot shaking your wheat jars? Your first jars were the right ratio just needed a thorough shake. I made some pints and allowed them to completely cool in the PC w/out shaking. Though smaller jars are easier, I still had some solid pucks of grain in the bottom of the jars like you. You made it right the first time! :smile:

To be honest I hadn't taken pictures of the bottoms of my jars but they do look like yours. I was able to break up the cold grains with shaking but it did take effort. There was a mix of hydration levels with the grains and a film on the inside of the jar but that is all fine. I G2G from 1/4 pints and shook again. I did 3 jars of wheat and 2 of oats. BTW, Oats were much easier to shake.

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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28063066 - 11/21/22 10:56 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I shook them all once the pressure equals out and I can open my PC, so hot i used oven mitts lol. Shook em till I broke a sweat, no cigar. Dumped the first batch and honestly it was alot of effot to even just spoon those grains out. Maybe its just my wheat, ima run a 3rd and final test with 150ml of water and see what happens...


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: milkboy]
    #28063106 - 11/21/22 11:27 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Thank you for trying Milkboy, I really appreciate your effort!!! Maybe just try 1 jar so you dont waste anymore time or materials. I don't think 150ml is going to work any better but I hope I am wrong, good luck! I don't think it is a difference in grains either. Here are some wheat pics, BTW 1 1/3C of wheat weighed 268g.





Before the PC

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It is weird they did not break up when you gave them the hot shake. I wonder if a tsp of gypsum would help, it does wonders for WBS. I'm no Hulk but I did manage to break up the pucks of cold grains with some effort.

Thank you again!

I may have to run a couple wheat quarts next!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 1
    #28063305 - 11/21/22 01:06 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

This post has confirmed my measurements are right, fuck me I have no idea. I dont have gypsum so if thats what it needs Ima just go back to prepping lol.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: milkboy]
    #28063461 - 11/21/22 03:38 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Thank you again for trying Milkboy, i do appreciate your efforts!

I smack them on the lids to get the grain puck off the bottom of the jar before I try ye ol' shake and break. Maybe?

If not, I'm at a loss and this will haunt me til my dying day.....


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28063498 - 11/21/22 04:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Im offended you lack faith in my shaking abilities, :lol: But as Im sitting here boiling grains I realized its probably because Im running 18 psi on my PC :facepalm3: I believe thats the only thing Im doing differently.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: milkboy]
    #28063775 - 11/21/22 06:31 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I know nothing of your shaking abilities. Though he has good technique, I don't think this guy could break up the grains. 😀

:prettyflyforawhiteguy:

Do you have a magnet or coins on your PC rocker? Next run for me will be another quart of wheat!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: milkboy] * 2
    #28063779 - 11/21/22 06:32 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Thanks yoshi I’ll try out some no prep bags when I’m back home and report back!

Milkboy, have you ever thought of throwing some vermiculite into the jars before hand? Just a thought but it might help with the clumps. You might have to adjust water ratio though


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: mind.at.large]
    #28063793 - 11/21/22 06:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

milkboy do you roll and shake your jars before PCing?


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: bakedbeings]
    #28063814 - 11/21/22 06:52 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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I know nothing of your shaking abilities. Though he has good technique, I don't think this guy could break up the grains. 😀

:prettyflyforawhiteguy:

Do you have a magnet or coins on your PC rocker? Next run for me will be another quart of wheat!




Yes 50 cents, ill do a trial without my upgrade and see if thats the culprit..

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Thanks yoshi I’ll try out some no prep bags when I’m back home and report back!

Milkboy, have you ever thought of throwing some vermiculite into the jars before hand? Just a thought but it might help with the clumps. You might have to adjust water ratio though




Naw I dont have verm



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milkboy do you roll and shake your jars before PCing?




I did to some of them to see if I needed to, they all clumped.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: milkboy] * 1
    #28063882 - 11/21/22 07:52 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Love it! Thanks 💜


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: WellDuYaPunk]
    #28063981 - 11/21/22 08:49 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Did a few Qts of no prep with WBR last night, turned out just fine and saved a lot of time. Just a little clumping on the bottom. :thumbup:



Did you do jars or bags?  I know this tek says to use bags but I have a lot of jars and no bags lol


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: cozmyc]
    #28063988 - 11/21/22 08:53 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

If one dislikes devils advocates... skip this post.

I love the thoroughness of this post. Thanks for all the work.

I do however need to note... zero TC's have commented here. Might I take a stab at why....

Larger grains need to be thoroughly hydrated to get sterilized properly. The grains at the top of these jars do not get the hydration the grains at the bottom do... leaving under-hydrated starches in the kernels. Dry starch has a hard time getting sterile in a PC.

It needs to be noted that half the images you post here are of very unhealthy colonization, which speaks very poorly to your position that standard grain prep can be avoided.

I have gone down your road.... thinking why do all these folks do these things that seem like extra work. Well... they arrived there after decades of trial and error.

Two threads that might be of interest to folks regarding creating excellent spawn:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27382275

and

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27187543

These threads changed my world. I'd still be growing mold if not for them.

I learned some things from all of the effort in this post... and I loooove being cutting corners, but nothing here has pulled me from hydrating my grains pre-PC'ing. All my success has come from properly doing grain prep.


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: SunGuy]
    #28064151 - 11/21/22 10:05 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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Did a few Qts of no prep with WBR last night, turned out just fine and saved a lot of time. Just a little clumping on the bottom. :thumbup:



Did you do jars or bags?  I know this tek says to use bags but I have a lot of jars and no bags lol




SunGuy, I've done WBR and pearled barley in jars up to pint size. Because their is no husk to the grains, they want to stick, shake while hot if you can.

Thank you for your input Tedoro. I'd agree not all of the grains are properly hydrated but after the shake it doesn't seem to matter. I'd invite you to give a jar of no-prep a try, there is even a ratio for WBS.

Good luck!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28066031 - 11/23/22 01:17 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Thank you for updating your post SDO and doing the extra tests too.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/28057352#28057352

I'm really curious about the longterm storage of the PCed bags. I run some long term mycelium bags and have been lucky so far but that is different.

Since you are using bags, I don't think you need to crumble them while hot.

If your grains are really dirty you could probably do a bulk rinse with cold water. Since you know the final weight of your bags with grain and water, if you found the volume of your dried grain it'd seem to be easy. Let's say for example the weight of your oats equaled 3C by volume. You could pour your measured (by weight) amount of grains for all your bags into your sink or strainer. Rinse all you'd like, drain and scoop by volume into the bags. Then just top them with water til you hit the right weight.

Hopefully they perform well as is and you may save even more time w/out rinsing.

I can't wait to see the results!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer] * 3
    #28066038 - 11/23/22 01:23 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Milkboy, I ran a QT of wheat last night and let it cool completely in the PC. My dial read 17-18 psi for 90min. I'll takes more pics tonight.



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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28067555 - 11/24/22 02:18 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

M-F/N jar of wheat cracked, ran another today, stay tuned!


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Re: YoshiTrainer's guide to no-prep grains [Re: YoshiTrainer]
    #28067591 - 11/24/22 02:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

:rofl: the struggle is real


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