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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28058212 - 11/18/22 01:13 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Here's specifically what he said: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593673339826212864
Not quite just "anything he considers negative".
I realize we're both on opposite sides of whether he's really allowing more free speech or not, and I'm willing to acknowledge certain things like hate speech may be bumped down in priority, and paid verification may be bumped up, but I guess it's semantics as to whether or not either of these classifies as censorship.
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koods said: I don’t get it. If you’re leaving it up, then you’ve still got hate speech on your platform that people will find and amplify
That's why I'm saying I don't think it's censorship.
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Elon just formalized the policy of shadowbanning stuff that he or his advertisers don’t want seen. This is….innovative and also good? Alright.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28058465 - 11/18/22 03:44 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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That's why I'm saying I don't think it's censorship.
It’s not free speech either
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Here's specifically what he said: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593673339826212864
Not quite just "anything he considers negative".
I realize we're both on opposite sides of whether he's really allowing more free speech or not, and I'm willing to acknowledge certain things like hate speech may be bumped down in priority, and paid verification may be bumped up, but I guess it's semantics as to whether or not either of these classifies as censorship.
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koods said: I don’t get it. If you’re leaving it up, then you’ve still got hate speech on your platform that people will find and amplify
That's why I'm saying I don't think it's censorship.
Perhaps we should ask Elon Musk for some general guidelines on what he considers "negative". I think his answers might make yours seems stable by comparison.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kryptos]
#28059710 - 11/19/22 08:53 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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It's got to be at least four threads now gone over to the Twitter debate, which is interesting in itself, and weird IMO.
I guess this is my senior moment because I have never read Twitter, except for a few links here, and haven't looked at Facebook for four years except for my favorite band's fansite. The importance of social media is lost on me, but I do think private companies should set their own rules, and am not seeing censorship issues. I think it's a market of ideas, and if someone can't find a forum for their speech, the fault lies with their speech.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Brian Jones] 3
#28059758 - 11/19/22 09:28 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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For me, it’s another example of how a seemingly naked truth (a right wing billionaire buying twitter as a joke will not make it a better or more inclusive platform) has evaded enough people here due to their weird cultural affinities that we have to beat it into their skulls for a few weeks until they either leave or find a new thing to obsessively defend.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28059878 - 11/19/22 11:02 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I didn't have any theory on the people here.
Musk is puzzling. People used to see him as this genius who was somewhat beyond our comprehension, because of his special vision or something. His was different than Jeff Bezos' path to success which was doing what anybody could do, except creating a tech platform to do it incredibly quickly. Musk seems to be bored now and is going off on tangents for his own amusement. First the dogecoin influencer and now Twitter, and little recent interest that I've read in Tesla. I'll be surprised if he stays on the top of the heap.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28059881 - 11/19/22 11:04 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm not here for Twitter, I'm here to shit on Elon and his Musketeers.
Although, I will disagree with you Ecstatic, that Elon bought Twitter as a joke. Especially given that email where he asked people to work harder for him or quit, I think Elon Musk is getting high off his own supply. He is starting to believe that he is actually the smartest/best/greatest person to ever live, and that people all love him and would fight for the chance to work for him.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kryptos]
#28059887 - 11/19/22 11:10 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Musk read too many Orson Scott Card books or something.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: ballsalsa]
#28059899 - 11/19/22 11:19 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Did Card go right wing nutter with success, or was he always that way?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Brian Jones]
#28059934 - 11/19/22 11:39 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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He was a Blue Dog Democrat, so I'm guessing he was always that way. Sounds like he is economically progressive, but much more in favor of social control.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#28060012 - 11/19/22 12:13 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: Did Card go right wing nutter with success, or was he always that way?
Well, most of his books are filled with Mormon and Christian allegory so I'm gonna guess he was always that way. I just meant that Musk seems to be trying to fulfill the role of ruthless but ultimately benevolent authoritarian overlord that crops up a lot, particularly in the Ender universe but also the Homecoming series, etc.
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Kryptos said: He was a Blue Dog Democrat, so I'm guessing he was always that way. Sounds like he is economically progressive, but much more in favor of social control.
Here again, perhaps the Homecoming series could give us some insight. The story is set in the far future in a time after humanity destroyed life on earth to such an extent via (nuclear?) warfare that the survivors were forced to abandon it for the stars in colony ship(s?). In order to prevent the same catastrophe on their new planet a group of colonists develop an advanced AI satellite and use genetic engineering to connect everyone to it telepathically. The AI uses insidious methods to prevent the colonists and their descendants from even thinking about verboten ideas such as the wheel which might allow them to one day engage in warfare on a planetary scale again. The big crisis of the first few books is that after many generations, the humans have genetically drifted such that the AI's connection to them is becoming tenuous and the satellite itself is (potentially) malfunctioning. The protagonist must assemble a tribe to find the starship that brought the colonists there in the hope of returning to earth to find a way to repair or replace the AI which they refer to as the "Oversoul"
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Elon Musk on Thanksgiving announced amnesty for suspended Twitter accounts that have not broken the law or engaged in egregious spam, starting next week.
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Awesome so all the accounts that have been banned for doxxing or repeatedly calling black people niggers are back
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28068341 - 11/25/22 07:11 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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The world's smartest man has lost 165 million dollars a day (average) for a year. Other elites are losing as well, but Musk seems dead set on leading the group. When the market falls, the one with the most stock value would be expected to lose the most, but he's putting his own personal stamp on the decline, beyond the tech sector trends. Twitter is only a small part of his holdings, but when has an acquisition gone this bad this fast?
He just said he doesn't want to be the CEO of any companies. Many Tesla investors would be happy if he found somebody else to run it.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28069300 - 11/25/22 06:42 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: Awesome so all the accounts that have been banned for doxxing or repeatedly calling black people niggers are back
And he’s still banning people critical of the right. Who could have possibly guessed.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28069324 - 11/25/22 06:59 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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You mean the billionaire oligarch was part of the establishment the whole time?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#28069621 - 11/25/22 11:56 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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To be fair - when you're in positions like his, unless you're extremely socially keen on how to balance your influences around you (which he and most arent) - you probably have so many capitalists, marketers, advisory commission cunts etc. in your ear all the time that your own views become extremely warped by the environment you're constantly engulfed in.
So for the most part we shouldn't trust career business people to do anything except make money
There should be laws that force companies to structure themselves in a sort of triarchy similar to the government - where there are checks and balances coming from different interests - and not just a singular goal of profit. If there was a mandatory ethics agency and mandatory environmental practices agency within each massive corporation that held its own independent power then we would likely see a lot better business out there.
Dictatorships don't work - and neither do governments ran by singular interests - so why do we think that businesses work for the world around them when they're only ran from a singular interest of money?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: twighead]
#28069745 - 11/26/22 04:34 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: You mean the billionaire oligarch was part of the establishment the whole time?

It would make for an interesting venn diagram.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28070957 - 11/27/22 12:21 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: And he’s still banning people critical of the right. Who could have possibly guessed.
Who's an example of someone critical of the right who was banned that we can track to see if Musk follows through on his amnesty plan next week?
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