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Sulfurshelfsean said: Yeah he basically trades in comedy for hate speech.
Any examples of banned comedy? Or are you referring to impersonation as explained in my last post?
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Sulfurshelfsean said: That is limiting comedic free speech.
No, it's limiting defamation that causes harm to reputation. You can still post all the comedy you like.
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Defamation is a case by case basis. Can you show me any instances where there were defamation by impersonation?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Sure. Here's an example:
https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/verified-twitter-accounts-impersonate-bush-blair-aipac
There were quite a few others posted to the political forum.
Defamation is very specific legal definition. What you posted is most certainly not defamation. Look it up.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
#28049550 - 11/13/22 07:05 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Exactly my point. This idea that he's trying to prevent defamation and not trying to prevent his own butt hurtedness is laughable.how many defamation lawsuits have been won over Twitter impersonators? And it's weird that these impersonators we're impersonating under Elon's new verification process....must be a shitty process with not a lot of verification going...
And for the same reasons everyone knows fox isn't news, you can tell that your examples are parody, ie, they're so ridiculous you'd have to move stupid to not realize they're parody.
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Interestingly, impersonation on social media isn't necessarily illegal depending on the circumstances.
So musk is actually limiting free comedic speech pretty badly. He just isn't the joking type. You can tell by his attempts at humor.
You can still post all the comedy you want, that's not being limited. You just can't pretend to be someone else.
Why not? Seems like an arbitrary infringement of free speech
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Sulfurshelfsean said: That is limiting comedic free speech.
No, it's limiting defamation that causes harm to reputation. You can still post all the comedy you like.
But impersonation is not defamation.
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Yeah he basically trades in comedy for hate speech.
Any examples of banned comedy? Or are you referring to impersonation as explained in my last post?
Yes, the banned comedy is impersonation. It’s bizarre that you don’t even recognize that impersonation is a staple of comedy.
What other forms of free expression do you want to ban?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28049674 - 11/13/22 08:31 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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Elvis impersonators everywhere are defamin Elvis now...
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28049753 - 11/13/22 09:45 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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koods said: It’s bizarre that you don’t even recognize that impersonation is a staple of comedy.
I recognize it, and you can still do impersonations on Twitter.
I was thinking about doing an impersonation of your account and having some fun with a fake posts just to make a point, but I don't want an excuse for ban happy mods to ban me.
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No one would be stupid enough to believe it, just like no one with half a brain believes the twitter posts are real
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: twighead]
#28049779 - 11/13/22 10:14 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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twighead said: No one would be stupid enough to believe it, just like no one with half a brain believes the twitter posts are real
If true, then why the objection to labeling them?
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twighead said: No one would be stupid enough to believe it, just like no one with half a brain believes the twitter posts are real
If true, then why the objection to labeling them?
What’s up with all these speech rules
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koods said: It’s bizarre that you don’t even recognize that impersonation is a staple of comedy.
I recognize it, and you can still do impersonations on Twitter.
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Except his plan was just to sell check marks with no verification, so he was allowing people to impersonate for a few of 8$.
Impersonation is against the current Twitter rules.
Which is it? Epic backtrack by the way.
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#28050042 - 11/14/22 05:25 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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You think falcon can give a good explanation why it’s ok for Twitter to have rules that infringe on one kind of free expression, but not other kinds of free expression? It seems pretty damn arbitrary
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It seems arbitrary because it is a privately held company and they can do what they want. I have been bashing on Elon pretty hard over Twitter, but I actually don't care that he is changing the rules. Nobody should really care, it isn't something you need to survive. Fal and others should be way more concerned about the erosion of the free internet at large as operated by Pai and the Republicans that put him in place. A bunch of crony capitalists that literally sent the internet backwards in the name of giving big business more flexibility to regulate web traffic as they see fit. But we don't hear that bitching do we? Not everybody can be a network engineer, but having a bit of perspective on how the internet works at large is something most lack completely.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: christopera]
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I mean what he considers an acceptable infringement on free speech and what he considers unacceptable seems arbitrary. Why is lying about your identity - even if it’s done in jest - unacceptable to falcon, but other types of lying - like the election being stolen, ivermectin being a treatment for covid, or sandy hook was a hoax - should be permissible.
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#28050319 - 11/14/22 09:39 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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336 said: Why do so many people argue in bad faith these days?
because you can't discuss the current republican stance in good faith.
put yourself in that position:
When the point of where you stand in crystal clarity boils down to the fact that you fear Jews will replace you, that you are mistrusting of n****, that women should get back in the kitchen, sexual minorities should f- themselves and you are not willing to spend one cent to come to the aid of a countryman who is poor, then you gotta make stuff up to make yourself appear somewhat presentable and since you underestimate your opponents capacity to think while being high on dunning kruger yourself, it is obvious and distasteful because you are deliberately bullshitting and barely hiding it.
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