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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28048112 - 11/13/22 03:30 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Except his plan was just to sell check marks with no verification, so he was allowing people to impersonate for a few of 8$.



Impersonation is against the current Twitter rules.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28048116 - 11/13/22 03:32 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I don't think Twitter is the same.  That's why I asked you what they're censoring.  :shrug:



The same shit everyone else is, and from what I can tell since Elon has taken over, they’ve dialed back moderation on hate speech and dialed it up on jokes.



You're getting tricked by the mainstream media same as everyone else here is.  Jokes are 100% allowed.  Impersonation is not.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28048219 - 11/13/22 06:31 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Maybe BRICS is like LGBT+ that they keep adding more letters until they have the alphabet three times over and all we have is mud on a stick.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Asante] * 1
    #28048248 - 11/13/22 07:23 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Is LGBT settled or is it going to get more letters for non-binary?

At the Amazon warehouse where I work, HR or management or somebody keeps putting up these cringeworthy notices. Several months ago, for weeks they were announcing that we would be celebrating National Binary Day. I don't know how many people even caught it. I was telling people if we're having National Binary Day, then we should follow it up with White Pride Month.

Unrelated but another braindead thing they posted when we had onsite Covid testing was, "You can be tested even if you're asymptomatic". It took them three months to say, "Of course you can't be in the building if you have symptoms".

I watch this TV show called Billions that has the first non-binary actor playing a non-binary character. Asia Kate Dillon is quite convincing because you can look at them and second by second change your mind whether it's a guy or a chick. In one scene they had to negotiate a big deal with a Saudi billionaire, so they put on a wig and a dress and was transformed into an extremely beautiful woman.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28048275 - 11/13/22 07:54 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
Except his plan was just to sell check marks with no verification, so he was allowing people to impersonate for a few of 8$.



Impersonation is against the current Twitter rules.



Notice the qualifier "was". Plenty of folks just paid 8 bucks for a name that wasn't theirs for a short time.

Interestingly, impersonation on social media isn't necessarily illegal depending on the circumstances.

https://kellywarnerlaw.com/impersonating-someone-on-the-internet-law

So musk is actually limiting free comedic speech pretty badly. He just isn't the joking type. You can tell by his attempts at humor.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 1
    #28048284 - 11/13/22 08:05 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I like how this argument went from
people on the right "Twitter is censoring free speech"

The not idiots "Twitter is a company, free speech has nothing to do with them"

Elon buys Twitter

People on the right "It's ok for Twitter to censor impersonation"

The not idiots ":notsureif: :migraine::youseethisshit:"


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
    #28048287 - 11/13/22 08:08 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

They also claim to be the " do your own research" types. They can't be bothered to click on the Twitter account and see if there are signs of parody in the bio or any sort of research. It has to have parody in the title (thus making it way less funny).


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28048293 - 11/13/22 08:15 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Nobody likes things that are too serious. Twitter sucking at being Twitter, once again.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28048316 - 11/13/22 08:32 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Sulfurshelfsean said:
Except his plan was just to sell check marks with no verification, so he was allowing people to impersonate for a few of 8$.



Impersonation is against the current Twitter rules.




You can make murder illegal but if you give everyone easy access to deadly weapons youre still going to have a murder problem.

Musk gave bad actors the perfect tool to impersonate and troll. Everybody in this thread saw this coming except for you. Twitter is far too massive to simply rely on moderation to catch rule violators. You have to have a system in place to that makes impersonation less easy to accomplish and less rewarding. Twitter had such a system by verifying the identify of accounts likely to be impersonated. Musk tore that system down and the results were completely predictable if you were paying attention.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean] * 2
    #28048329 - 11/13/22 08:41 AM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Sulfurshelfsean said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Quote:

Sulfurshelfsean said:
Except his plan was just to sell check marks with no verification, so he was allowing people to impersonate for a few of 8$.



Impersonation is against the current Twitter rules.



Notice the qualifier "was". Plenty of folks just paid 8 bucks for a name that wasn't theirs for a short time.

Interestingly, impersonation on social media isn't necessarily illegal depending on the circumstances.

https://kellywarnerlaw.com/impersonating-someone-on-the-internet-law

So musk is actually limiting free comedic speech pretty badly. He just isn't the joking type. You can tell by his attempts at humor.




The kind of impersonation Twitter prohibits is perfectly legal under the first amendment. It’s fine that Twitter has decided that it is not permissible on their platform, but the argument from falcon has always been that Twitter should comply with first amendment principles. There is really no argument that the impersonation rule that falcon is cheerleading doesnt abridge free speech on Twitter. It’s almost like unfettered free speech on a commercial platform is an unobtainable and undesirable goal


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
    #28048944 - 11/13/22 02:11 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Sulfurshelfsean said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
Except his plan was just to sell check marks with no verification, so he was allowing people to impersonate for a few of 8$.



Impersonation is against the current Twitter rules.



Notice the qualifier "was". Plenty of folks just paid 8 bucks for a name that wasn't theirs for a short time.

Interestingly, impersonation on social media isn't necessarily illegal depending on the circumstances.

https://kellywarnerlaw.com/impersonating-someone-on-the-internet-law

So musk is actually limiting free comedic speech pretty badly. He just isn't the joking type. You can tell by his attempts at humor.




The kind of impersonation Twitter prohibits is perfectly legal under the first amendment. It’s fine that Twitter has decided that it is not permissible on their platform, but the argument from falcon has always been that Twitter should comply with first amendment principles. There is really no argument that the impersonation rule that falcon is cheerleading doesnt abridge free speech on Twitter. It’s almost like unfettered free speech on a commercial platform is an unobtainable and undesirable goal



Yeah he basically trades in comedy for hate speech.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28048955 - 11/13/22 02:16 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

That's usually what people mean when they say "free speech".

In my experience, normal people do not bring up their freedom of speech regularly. The kind of people that do are usually bringing it up after their "edgy" joke doesn't elicit a single chuckle.

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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Asante]
    #28049096 - 11/13/22 03:36 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Asante said:
Maybe BRICS is like LGBT+ that they keep adding more letters until they have the alphabet three times over and all we have is mud on a stick.



Proposed BRICS expansion:



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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28049101 - 11/13/22 03:39 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Interestingly, impersonation on social media isn't necessarily illegal depending on the circumstances.

So musk is actually limiting free comedic speech pretty badly. He just isn't the joking type. You can tell by his attempts at humor.



You can still post all the comedy you want, that's not being limited.  You just can't pretend to be someone else.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
    #28049120 - 11/13/22 03:45 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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I like how this argument went from
people on the right "Twitter is censoring free speech"

The not idiots "Twitter is a company, free speech has nothing to do with them"



Of course it has something to do with them.  As private companies, they are legally allowed to censor speech.

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Elon buys Twitter

People on the right "It's ok for Twitter to censor impersonation"

The not idiots ":notsureif: :migraine::youseethisshit:"



Speech isn't being censored.  Impersonation is.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28049119 - 11/13/22 03:45 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

That is limiting comedic free speech.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
    #28049144 - 11/13/22 03:57 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Musk gave bad actors the perfect tool to impersonate and troll. Everybody in this thread saw this coming except for you.



You don't think people can impersonate others on other social media sites?

People are trying to bring Twitter down, because they don't like free speech.  That seemed like the case when everyone was defending censorship by private companies, but now it's totally obvious.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28049162 - 11/13/22 04:05 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Why do so many people argue in bad faith these days?


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28049171 - 11/13/22 04:09 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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Ice9 said:
I like how this argument went from
people on the right "Twitter is censoring free speech"

The not idiots "Twitter is a company, free speech has nothing to do with them"



Of course it has something to do with them.  As private companies, they are legally allowed to censor speech.





Thank you.  My point has been made.  Good to see you get it.


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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
    #28049172 - 11/13/22 04:09 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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The kind of impersonation Twitter prohibits is perfectly legal under the first amendment.



Maybe you should read up on "United States free speech exceptions":

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Categories of speech that are given lesser or no protection by the First Amendment (and therefore may be restricted) include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, speech integral to illegal conduct, speech that incites imminent lawless action, speech that violates intellectual property law, true threats, and commercial speech such as advertising. Defamation that causes harm to reputation is a tort and also an exception to free speech.




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