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Bump for The Ecstatic (see previous question).
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Glenn Greenwald talks about the Twitter situation. If you don't want to watch (it's a bit long at 1/2 hour), the title says it all
The Media's Deranged Hysteria Over Elon Musk's Promised Restoration of Free Speech
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I present 'A Tale in Three Quotes'
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: That's a tactic of the mainstream news; they expect most of their audience to only read the title and maybe the first paragraph or so.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I should have known better than to let the headline of a mainstream news source mislead me after telling shivas.wisdom about how the mainstream news like to bury the important details deep in their story.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: If you don't want to watch (it's a bit long at 1/2 hour), the title says it all.
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shivas.wisdom said: I present 'A Tale in Three Quotes'
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: That's a tactic of the mainstream news; they expect most of their audience to only read the title and maybe the first paragraph or so.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I should have known better than to let the headline of a mainstream news source mislead me after telling shivas.wisdom about how the mainstream news like to bury the important details deep in their story.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: If you don't want to watch (it's a bit long at 1/2 hour), the title says it all.

Almost a good rebuttal, except I did watch the video, and the title does say it all.
Glenn Greenwald is far more honest than the mainstream media, and he doesn't mislead people with his headlines.
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Ahh... So the correct takeaway from all this is that we should trust you to tell us which headlines to believe - personally, I'll continue to stick to the ol' faithful 'read beyond the headline'.
It's just absolutely hilarious seeing you warn people against trusting headlines; spread misinformation you learned from trusting headlines; and tell us to trust the headlines you say are ok to trust. It's like some weird existentialist art production - Hell is other headlines.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Glenn Greenwald is far more honest than the mainstream media, and he doesn't mislead people with his headlines.

I'm 16 minutes in and he's been hammering the same false claim about a headline for the majority of it. But now I get why you keep spouting the word "melt" over and over. You're like a parrot. It's cute.
He quoted this:
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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — New Twitter owner Elon Musk said Thursday that he is granting “amnesty” for suspended accounts, which online safety experts predict will spur a rise in harassment, hate speech and misinformation.
Then proceeds to say that the experts are completely made up and that there is no more information of note in the article.

I'm guessing he's pretty confident no one will actually go read the article because it describes who the experts are, why they are experts on what this means with regards to Twitter, and why they expect a rise in harassment, hate speech, and misinformation. The AP included more than one voice and actually researched what they espoused. So yeah, Glenn is a far cry from that. He just spouts opinion mixed with taking and misrepresenting the work of others. This seems to be your favorite form of "news".
Here's the article if anyone wants to read who the "completely made up" and "non-existent" experts actually are. https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-technology-donald-trump-business-misinformation-c60bc41229339eaec5008188fa6d057c
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kickle]
#28073130 - 11/28/22 02:17 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I know carrying water for fascists around the world is a lot of work, but does Glenn Greenwald still do any actual reporting?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28073158 - 11/28/22 02:33 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I think he recorded that in his spare bedroom after google searching "elon twitter" for a few minutes.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kickle]
#28073210 - 11/28/22 03:13 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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He also walks the line fairly carefully at points about safety experts. He doesn't refute the claim, he just attacks the expert and questions their qualifications. He doesn't actually have any information saying these things won't happen, he doesn't even try to say they won't happen, he just calls the experts big fat poo poo heads. Then he goes on to say that the fear mongoring is preventing free speech, which it isn't, what prevented this unbridled free speech that they are jerking off to is the fact that nobody actually likes reading tweets about white supremacist desires to blow up black churches or whatever nut job things that happens on 4chan or 8chan. Twitter was trying to sell a product, and while it clearly promoted right wing talking points, if you look at it overall the vast majority of twitter traffic was not political at all. Curious that right wingers like Glenn and Fal never bring that up...
Glenn's piece was garbage. Some of his worst work ever. Hardly fact based, total opinion, just absolute toilet bowl malarkey with little bearing in reality.
I look forward to Fal posting more of those videos so I can laugh out loud as Glenn drives what was once a nice career straight into the ground. He's the Alex Jones for the pretend "left."
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: christopera]
#28073267 - 11/28/22 03:54 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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$8chan
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28073295 - 11/28/22 04:06 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597285572699074560?cxt=HHwWgMCt2f-w2aosAAAA
Looks like we're getting desperate to find ways to make Twitter profitable. Free speech is defined as paying Elon Musk advertising revenue
I think Apple taking 30% of everyone else's revenue has been wild and predatory for a long time. But IMO Elon is only making a stink about it now because he can't find any other way to make that money
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shivas.wisdom said: Ahh... So the correct takeaway from all this is that we should trust you to tell us which headlines to believe
Wrong once again. I'm saying I read it and I believe the title aligns with the story. You're welcome to view the video if you don't trust the title.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kickle]
#28073779 - 11/28/22 09:58 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — New Twitter owner Elon Musk said Thursday that he is granting “amnesty” for suspended accounts, which online safety experts predict will spur a rise in harassment, hate speech and misinformation.
Then proceeds to say that the experts are completely made up and that there is no more information of note in the article.
WRONG. He didn't say "the experts are completely made up". He asked what makes them "online safety experts" and said the title was made up.
He also questioned how allowing people who were previously censored from Twitter will make others unsafe if they are uncensored (for example Garland Nixon, Scott Ritter, etc). Maybe you can know?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28073781 - 11/28/22 09:59 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: I know carrying water for fascists around the world is a lot of work, but does Glenn Greenwald still do any actual reporting?
You keep saying that by not make believing about people the establishment wants us to hate, that I am supporting them. No, I'm just anti-make believe, which I know makes you sad.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: christopera]
#28073782 - 11/28/22 10:02 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: ...what prevented this unbridled free speech that they are jerking off to is the fact that nobody actually likes reading tweets about white supremacist desires to blow up black churches or whatever nut job things that happens on 4chan or 8chan.
Why was comedian Garland Nixon or military analyst Scott Ritter banned from Twitter? Because they spoke against the establishment narrative.
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Please post the tweets that got them banned. I have no idea who either of those people are, I'd like to judge for myself.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
#28073785 - 11/28/22 10:05 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Also, why do we have like 6 Twitter discussions? In the grand scheme of things it's not important enough for any more than 2 threads
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
#28073792 - 11/28/22 10:12 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Here's the one from Garland Nixon:
The tweet that got him banned was at 0:40.
Looks like people got butthurt that he talked negatively about the establishment.
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Jesus Christ, post the actual fucking tweet like koods would, I ain't watching a damn video to see a fucking tweet. Could you be more obtuse. I've had a suspicion for a while that you are pretty far on the spectrum. Think I'm right.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
#28073845 - 11/28/22 11:22 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I can't give you the tweet, as he was banned. 
I gave you the timestamp in the video, so you can find it in about 2 seconds.
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