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Saudi Arabia to join BRICS???
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Looks like China's leader Xi Jinping is going to meet with MBS IN SAUDI ARABIA, who wants to join BRICS which is planning on starting their own reserve currency soon. Plans for moving away from the dollar has always been a reason for the US to topple foreign governments. Things could get interesting real soon with Saudi Arabia...
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China #1
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: 336]
#28041680 - 11/09/22 08:02 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Tulipslave]
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BRICS which is planning on starting their own reserve currency soon.
Lol good luck with that.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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The sooner SA gets the boot the better. We don't really need them. Let them burn their oil as they wither into the sand.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: christopera]
#28041720 - 11/09/22 08:38 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Imagine being so deluded that you believe rogue states like Saudi Arabia and Russia could have anything to do with a trusted reserve currency.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28041723 - 11/09/22 08:40 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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SA only exists because of their oil. The US and Europe enable this. China and India will pick up the slack when we get rid of them. In the long term they have nothing else. Their downfall is obvious. Good riddance.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods] 1
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koods said: Imagine being so deluded that you believe rogue states like Saudi Arabia and Russia could have anything to do with a trusted reserve currency.
Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa (Argentina, Iran, KSA maybe?)
Just the 5 existing countries represent nearly half of the global population, significantly more than the U.S.
I think it would be better to base the world’s reserve currency on something substantial (like human population) rather than the power of finance capital and the US military, but who knows.
As for Saudi Arabia joining BRICS, I don’t see it. This is leverage.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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It’s impossible for Russia especially to be involved in some sort of new currency. It’s farcical.
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That’s like saying the Euro can’t be trusted because Romania is in the EU.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28041824 - 11/09/22 09:56 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Half the world population hasn’t cut off financial transactions with Romania
Any currency that involves Russia is DOA
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods] 1
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Any currency that involves Russia is DOA
Has half the world population cut off financial transactions with Russia?
Even if they had, this is the entire point of developing a reserve currency that isn’t beholden to US interests.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Tulipslave]
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It’s also just a terrible time to launch a competing currency to the dollar. The dollars value as a reserve currency hasn’t been this high in decades and the US has the best economy in the world. Interest rates are finally in the Goldilocks zone. It’s just bizarre that anyone would choose this moment to challenge the dollar
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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koods said: Half the world population hasn’t cut off financial transactions with Romania
Any currency that involves Russia is DOA
Has half the world population cut off financial transactions with Russia?
Even if they had, this is the entire point of developing a reserve currency that isn’t beholden to US interests.
In terms of economic power more than half the world has cut Russia off
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I don’t think they will. China is in a much better position to play the long game, and BRICS’ future will go where China leads it. I think they know that the yuan won’t ever be the reserve currency, but they can make headway with a new, extra-national currency in an appeal towards democratic values and internationalism.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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koods said: Half the world population hasn’t cut off financial transactions with Romania
Any currency that involves Russia is DOA
Has half the world population cut off financial transactions with Russia?
Even if they had, this is the entire point of developing a reserve currency that isn’t beholden to US interests.
In terms of economic power more than half the world has cut Russia off
Well that’s the thing isn’t it? The powerful minority dictating policy to the majority.
A move away from that is more important to nations in South America or Africa or SE Asia than Russia’s currency manipulations. We just don’t see it like that because we sit atop this pyramid scheme.
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Yeah nothing says democratic values like Russia, China and Saudi Arabia. And India is teetering on the edge of authoritarianism.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Any currency that involves Russia is DOA
Has half the world population cut off financial transactions with Russia?
Even if they had, this is the entire point of developing a reserve currency that isn’t beholden to US interests.
Enough of the world has cut off Russia that I am having serious trouble figuring out how to get assets out of the country.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kryptos]
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Well that’s the thing isn’t it? The powerful minority dictating policy to the majority.
We’re taking about money not population.
Replacing the dollar as a reserve currency isn’t in the interest of China since a lot of its own reserves are denominated in dollars
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods] 1
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We abetted India’s move to authoritarianism, we are promoting the Saudi genocide in Yemen.
You always behave like the bad things we do are incidental and the bad things the Official Enemies do are endemic.
The United States is not good. Even if we were, it has nothing to do with why the dollar is the world’s reserve currency.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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We have been the reserve currency for so long that it is in everyones interest to keep the dollar the reserve currency. Everyone has skin the dollar game, and nobody wants to see their dollar denominated debt lose value
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Except the majority of the world, who don’t benefit from the status quo.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28041960 - 11/09/22 11:14 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Everybody holds dollar denominated debt and investments. Practically the entire net worth of countries like Venezuela resides in their dollar reserves.
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Because it’s the reserve currency.
It’s like saying we shouldn’t build cars because everyone has horses.
We should absolutely adopt a global reserve currency that doesn’t exist to directly benefit the most violent and antagonistic nation on the planet. A country shouldn’t have to pay tribute to America to participate in the global economy.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28041972 - 11/09/22 11:20 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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And because it’s the reserve currency it’s in the interest of those holding it in reserve to keep it the reserve currency. Too big to fail.
Really, whether the dollar is the reserve currency or not has very little impact on the US economy.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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“Too big to fail,” that wonderful idea that embodies the necessity of not changing things lol
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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India's on decent terms with Russia. Time to start calling them poo poo heads (authoritarians)!
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koods said: Yeah nothing says democratic values like Russia, China and Saudi Arabia. And India is teetering on the edge of authoritarianism.
India's on decent terms with Russia. Time to start calling them poo poo heads (authoritarians)! 
Watching you bring up points that annihilate your own argument is quite entertaining.

Modi's BJP has been pursuing a populist authoritarian agenda for a while now.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: India's on decent terms with Russia. Time to start calling them poo poo heads (authoritarians)! 
Watching you bring up points that annihilate your own argument is quite entertaining.

Modi's BJP has been pursuing a populist authoritarian agenda for a while now.
If you say so. Can you tell me specifically how that's bad for India?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: India's on decent terms with Russia. Time to start calling them poo poo heads (authoritarians)! 
Watching you bring up points that annihilate your own argument is quite entertaining.

Modi's BJP has been pursuing a populist authoritarian agenda for a while now.
If you say so. Can you tell me specifically how that's bad for India?
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: India's on decent terms with Russia. Time to start calling them poo poo heads (authoritarians)! 
Watching you bring up points that annihilate your own argument is quite entertaining.

Modi's BJP has been pursuing a populist authoritarian agenda for a while now.
If you say so. Can you tell me specifically how that's bad for India?
The BJP and their militant groups commit far more racial violence than Azov does.
Do I need to explain why a party ruling over 1 billion + people flirting with genocide is bad?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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Really, whether the dollar is the reserve currency or not has very little impact on the US economy.
Yea, no. I don't believe that.
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Modi's BJP has been pursuing a populist authoritarian agenda for a while now.
If you say so. Can you tell me specifically how that's bad for India?

Asking you what you're talking about is "moving the goalposts"?
I've asked you to explain yourself about a dozen times now, and each time you just run away from my questions.
But it looks The Ecstatic got your back this time and answered for you, since it's quite obvious you can't.
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Is religious bickering the equivalent of authoritarianism?
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Here's another example in terms you seem more comfortable with: Twitter’s Legal Challenge to Indian Censorship
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Yes, that's a good example of how Twitter values freedom of speech. I side with Twitter.
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Okay sure, but two things.
#1, that's pre-Elon Twitter - which I thought was anti-free speech.
#2, the point was to illustrate the burgeoning authoritarianism of Modi and gang.
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#1, that's pre-Elon Twitter - which I thought was anti-free speech.
There's different degrees of free speech. Twitter is clearly more free speech now than they were pre-Elon, but that doesn't mean they censored everything pre-Elon.
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Thank you, The Ecstatic also helped me out on that.
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"Twitter is clearly more free speech now than they were pre-Elon"
How did you determine this?
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Musk said he would allow users previously banned for their opinions to come back. 
Maybe I don't understand the question?
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Is religious bickering the equivalent of authoritarianism? 
Religious bickering?
Maybe you should better familiarize yourself with the treatment of Muslims in India, basically since the partition, but especially since the rise of Modi and Hindu nationalism in the past couple decades.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/02/19/india-government-policies-actions-target-minorities
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India only is interested in buying Russian military tech - but now that they have more or less established their own homegrown industry, much like China 15-20 years ago they will move away from that more and more(not that its even available to import anymore)
Other than that it's purely pragmatic, cheap oil and that's about it.
Aside from ascertaining some degree of economic benefit - China and India are very far from amicable relations, with each courting relations with eachothers neighboring countries & rivals to keep one another in check... I'll be surprised if BRICS nations can come to enough mutual agreement to do anything very effective collectively.
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#1, that's pre-Elon Twitter - which I thought was anti-free speech.
There's different degrees of free speech. Twitter is clearly more free speech now than they were pre-Elon, but that doesn't mean they censored everything pre-Elon.
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Thank you, The Ecstatic also helped me out on that. 
Elon imposes new free speech restrictions, and is somehow making Twitter more free speechie? No sense at all. Some double speak right there.
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#1, that's pre-Elon Twitter - which I thought was anti-free speech.
There's different degrees of free speech. Twitter is clearly more free speech now than they were pre-Elon, but that doesn't mean they censored everything pre-Elon.
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shivas.wisdom said: #2, the point was to illustrate the burgeoning authoritarianism of Modi and gang.
Thank you, The Ecstatic also helped me out on that. 
Elon imposes new free speech restrictions, and is somehow making Twitter more free speechie? No sense at all. Some double speak right there.
What are these "new free speech restrictions"?
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His comedic restrictions that he has implemented
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Instead of fixing whatever problems Twitter had, musk has pretty much guaranteed Twitter will go bankrupt. His entire plan was to sell blue check marks and after two days that plan has exploded in his face. Half his advertising base has left. I don’t think Twitter is salvageable with musk running the company. Nobody has any faith in his ability to run the company
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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Plus he has "trothe cential" to compete with, lol. These rich guys need tod just stay in their lanes.
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The Elon invasion of Twitter is going about as well as the Russian invasion of Ukraine
Not even sure why falcon sticks around. Being the laughingstock of this forum must be very appealing to him
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Can you be more specific please, as I still don't know what "new free speech restrictions" you're talking about.
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Banning people who make fun of him is a new restriction
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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Do you who the richest person in the world is?
You need to stop make believing that "nobody" has any faith.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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koods said: Banning people who make fun of him is a new restriction
No (do I need to start calling you king of make believe again if that's all you do?) He's banning people who don't follow the impersonation rules. Accounts engaged in parody must include “parody” in their name, not just in the bio.
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That’s the new policy as of yesterday, not the old policy where he was banning people with parody in the bio
Who knows what changes to free speech will be made tomorrow
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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So you're saying Elon is making things better by the day at Twitter? Fair enough.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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Elon musk said something about the terms that Ukraine should accept peace in that mirrored Russian demands -
So that's prob why he's kissing his feet now, and just like putin he is now beyond all criticism and only does 100% right
Tho maybe he forgot who also set up internet and comms for Ukraine
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: twighead]
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Russian state media says Elon is giving investors access to user data.
Can’t quite nail down falcon on how he feels about this since he wants to argue semantics instead
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: twighead]
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twighead said: Elon musk said something about the terms that Ukraine should accept peace in that mirrored Russian demands
He said the people of the territories should decide their own fate, not Biden or Putin.
But I realize you think the US rules the world and the people there shouldn't have any say.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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koods said: Russian state media says Elon is giving investors access to user data.
Can’t quite nail down falcon on how he feels about this since he wants to argue semantics instead
They said it's "possible" meaning they don't know.
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Why would they say something if they don’t know? They know. You don’t report on things if you don’t know they are facts.
Are you going to avoid commenting on the “possibility” that musk is giving investors access to user data?
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No no no... Falcon91Wolvrn03 has determined - likely using methods similar to his Crimean fact-finding mission - that Twitter has objectively more freedom now than ever before. We know this to be true because Falcon91Wolvrn03 hates make believe.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Twitter is clearly more free speech now than they were pre-Elon
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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If you don't know they are facts, you use the words "possible".
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Still avoiding the question with semantic games
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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It's not a semantics game. If you don't know something, then you say "maybe" and "possibly", and if you know it, you don't use those words.
Maybe this explains how you've become the most tricked poster in this forum. You think anytime the media says something it's true, even if they say "maybe".
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shivas.wisdom said: No no no... Falcon91Wolvrn03 has determined - likely using methods similar to his Crimean fact-finding mission - that Twitter has objectively more freedom now than ever before. We know this to be true because Falcon91Wolvrn03 hates make believe.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Twitter is clearly more free speech now than they were pre-Elon
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: There's more freedom to express your opinion on Twitter now than there is on Facebook, YouTube, and other mainstream social media apps. That's the bottom line.

What content is Twitter now censoring? Pick your favorite mainstream social media outlet, and I can give you a list of things they're censoring (this is why we've had long discussions whether private companies should have a right to censor speech).
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twighead said: Elon musk said something about the terms that Ukraine should accept peace in that mirrored Russian demands
He said the people of the territories should decide their own fate, not Biden or Putin.
But I realize you think the US rules the world and the people there shouldn't have any say.
Oh yeah totally 
The real point since day one is that Russia needs to fuck off - pay large amounts of reparations, allow time for people to return, vow to never return unless invited by real legitimate observed and verified referendums...
Which they have damaged the possibility of any legitimacy since day one, so firstly - they need to fuck completely off - then Ukraine and the UN can work on restoring conditions in which a fair referendum can take place.
It's kind of a pipe dream though, because when you act as belligerent as they have, with illegal un uniformed invasions - no one in their right mind would trust you, and it'll probably be some decades, or the removal/resignation of Putin before anyone believes a single word they say.
If I were Ukraine peace would not seem feasible because Russia has proven themselves so untrustworthy, why should Ukraine believe any good faith in any ceasefire when they have every reason to believe that Russia would violate it as soon as they had regrouped and reorganized their mess of an army.
It would probably require establishment of some kind of DMZ and a lot of UN presence and oversight to make reinvasion untenable - and to legitimize anything politically that took place in the region afterwards. And honestly I don't think the UN has the political will.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Twitter is clearly more free speech now than they were pre-Elon
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What content is Twitter now censoring? Pick your favorite mainstream social media outlet, and I can give you a list of things they're censoring (this is why we've had long discussions whether private companies should have a right to censor speech).
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Twitter is clearly more free speech now than they were pre-Elon
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: There's more freedom to express your opinion on Twitter now than there is on Facebook, YouTube, and other mainstream social media apps. That's the bottom line.

What content is Twitter now censoring? Pick your favorite mainstream social media outlet, and I can give you a list of things they're censoring (this is why we've had long discussions whether private companies should have a right to censor speech).
I am so sick of this crap.
It was the same with Donald Trump’s supposed dovish view towards foreign policy.
First you claim that they’re different. And then when they prove they aren’t, you say “yeah well how bout YOU pick a president (or social media outlet) that IS different.”
No. That wasn’t the argument. We are the ones who told you they were all the same lol
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twighead said: ...Ukraine and the UN can work on restoring conditions in which a fair referendum can take place.
I'm with you and Elon on that one.
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The Ecstatic said: I am so sick of this crap.
It was the same with Donald Trump’s supposed dovish view towards foreign policy.
First you claim that they’re different. And then when they prove they aren’t, you say “yeah well how bout YOU pick a president (or social media outlet) that IS different.”
No. That wasn’t the argument. We are the ones who told you they were all the same lol
I don't think Twitter is the same. That's why I asked you what they're censoring.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: There's more freedom to express your opinion on Twitter now than there is on Facebook, YouTube, and other mainstream social media apps. That's the bottom line.

What content is Twitter now censoring? Pick your favorite mainstream social media outlet, and I can give you a list of things they're censoring (this is why we've had long discussions whether private companies should have a right to censor speech).
Satire. Twitter is censoring satire, which is explicitly protected speech under the first amendment and has lots of legal precedent defending it.
Because Elon has thinner skin that you, somehow.
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Falwell vs. Hustler said nothing putting “parody” anywhere. Parody is determined by content. At least it was until Musk came along and changed the rules to limit free speech
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Alot of Twitter sponsors are fleeing. And. It's not because they have faith in musk. And addressing your question, I posted in another thread that he banned someone for calling him a snowflake. Sounds like restricting free speech to me. But I never expected musk to make Twitter any more free in the speech department than it was before. That's would just be stupid.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kryptos]
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Kryptos said: Satire. Twitter is censoring satire, which is explicitly protected speech under the first amendment and has lots of legal precedent defending it.
No, Twitter is not censoring satire. They're banning impersonation without a proper flag.
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No, Twitter is not censoring satire. They're banning impersonation without a proper flag.

Except his plan was just to sell check marks with no verification, so he was allowing people to impersonate for a few of 8$.
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The Ecstatic said: I am so sick of this crap.
It was the same with Donald Trump’s supposed dovish view towards foreign policy.
First you claim that they’re different. And then when they prove they aren’t, you say “yeah well how bout YOU pick a president (or social media outlet) that IS different.”
No. That wasn’t the argument. We are the ones who told you they were all the same lol
I don't think Twitter is the same. That's why I asked you what they're censoring. 
The same shit everyone else is, and from what I can tell since Elon has taken over, they’ve dialed back moderation on hate speech and dialed it up on jokes.
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Impersonation is against the current Twitter rules.
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The same shit everyone else is, and from what I can tell since Elon has taken over, they’ve dialed back moderation on hate speech and dialed it up on jokes.
You're getting tricked by the mainstream media same as everyone else here is. Jokes are 100% allowed. Impersonation is not.
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Maybe BRICS is like LGBT+ that they keep adding more letters until they have the alphabet three times over and all we have is mud on a stick.
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Is LGBT settled or is it going to get more letters for non-binary?
At the Amazon warehouse where I work, HR or management or somebody keeps putting up these cringeworthy notices. Several months ago, for weeks they were announcing that we would be celebrating National Binary Day. I don't know how many people even caught it. I was telling people if we're having National Binary Day, then we should follow it up with White Pride Month.
Unrelated but another braindead thing they posted when we had onsite Covid testing was, "You can be tested even if you're asymptomatic". It took them three months to say, "Of course you can't be in the building if you have symptoms".
I watch this TV show called Billions that has the first non-binary actor playing a non-binary character. Asia Kate Dillon is quite convincing because you can look at them and second by second change your mind whether it's a guy or a chick. In one scene they had to negotiate a big deal with a Saudi billionaire, so they put on a wig and a dress and was transformed into an extremely beautiful woman.
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Except his plan was just to sell check marks with no verification, so he was allowing people to impersonate for a few of 8$.
Impersonation is against the current Twitter rules.
Notice the qualifier "was". Plenty of folks just paid 8 bucks for a name that wasn't theirs for a short time.
Interestingly, impersonation on social media isn't necessarily illegal depending on the circumstances.
https://kellywarnerlaw.com/impersonating-someone-on-the-internet-law
So musk is actually limiting free comedic speech pretty badly. He just isn't the joking type. You can tell by his attempts at humor.
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I like how this argument went from people on the right "Twitter is censoring free speech"
The not idiots "Twitter is a company, free speech has nothing to do with them"
Elon buys Twitter
People on the right "It's ok for Twitter to censor impersonation"
The not idiots "  "
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
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They also claim to be the " do your own research" types. They can't be bothered to click on the Twitter account and see if there are signs of parody in the bio or any sort of research. It has to have parody in the title (thus making it way less funny).
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Except his plan was just to sell check marks with no verification, so he was allowing people to impersonate for a few of 8$.
Impersonation is against the current Twitter rules.
You can make murder illegal but if you give everyone easy access to deadly weapons youre still going to have a murder problem.
Musk gave bad actors the perfect tool to impersonate and troll. Everybody in this thread saw this coming except for you. Twitter is far too massive to simply rely on moderation to catch rule violators. You have to have a system in place to that makes impersonation less easy to accomplish and less rewarding. Twitter had such a system by verifying the identify of accounts likely to be impersonated. Musk tore that system down and the results were completely predictable if you were paying attention.
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Except his plan was just to sell check marks with no verification, so he was allowing people to impersonate for a few of 8$.
Impersonation is against the current Twitter rules.
Notice the qualifier "was". Plenty of folks just paid 8 bucks for a name that wasn't theirs for a short time.
Interestingly, impersonation on social media isn't necessarily illegal depending on the circumstances.
https://kellywarnerlaw.com/impersonating-someone-on-the-internet-law
So musk is actually limiting free comedic speech pretty badly. He just isn't the joking type. You can tell by his attempts at humor.
The kind of impersonation Twitter prohibits is perfectly legal under the first amendment. It’s fine that Twitter has decided that it is not permissible on their platform, but the argument from falcon has always been that Twitter should comply with first amendment principles. There is really no argument that the impersonation rule that falcon is cheerleading doesnt abridge free speech on Twitter. It’s almost like unfettered free speech on a commercial platform is an unobtainable and undesirable goal
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Except his plan was just to sell check marks with no verification, so he was allowing people to impersonate for a few of 8$.
Impersonation is against the current Twitter rules.
Notice the qualifier "was". Plenty of folks just paid 8 bucks for a name that wasn't theirs for a short time.
Interestingly, impersonation on social media isn't necessarily illegal depending on the circumstances.
https://kellywarnerlaw.com/impersonating-someone-on-the-internet-law
So musk is actually limiting free comedic speech pretty badly. He just isn't the joking type. You can tell by his attempts at humor.
The kind of impersonation Twitter prohibits is perfectly legal under the first amendment. It’s fine that Twitter has decided that it is not permissible on their platform, but the argument from falcon has always been that Twitter should comply with first amendment principles. There is really no argument that the impersonation rule that falcon is cheerleading doesnt abridge free speech on Twitter. It’s almost like unfettered free speech on a commercial platform is an unobtainable and undesirable goal
Yeah he basically trades in comedy for hate speech.
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That's usually what people mean when they say "free speech".
In my experience, normal people do not bring up their freedom of speech regularly. The kind of people that do are usually bringing it up after their "edgy" joke doesn't elicit a single chuckle.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Asante]
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Proposed BRICS expansion:
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So musk is actually limiting free comedic speech pretty badly. He just isn't the joking type. You can tell by his attempts at humor.
You can still post all the comedy you want, that's not being limited. You just can't pretend to be someone else.
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The not idiots "Twitter is a company, free speech has nothing to do with them"
Of course it has something to do with them. As private companies, they are legally allowed to censor speech.
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People on the right "It's ok for Twitter to censor impersonation"
The not idiots "  "
Speech isn't being censored. Impersonation is.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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You don't think people can impersonate others on other social media sites?
People are trying to bring Twitter down, because they don't like free speech. That seemed like the case when everyone was defending censorship by private companies, but now it's totally obvious.
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The not idiots "Twitter is a company, free speech has nothing to do with them"
Of course it has something to do with them. As private companies, they are legally allowed to censor speech.
Thank you. My point has been made. Good to see you get it.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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Maybe you should read up on "United States free speech exceptions":
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Any examples of banned comedy? Or are you referring to impersonation as explained in my last post?
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No, it's limiting defamation that causes harm to reputation. You can still post all the comedy you like.
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Defamation is a case by case basis. Can you show me any instances where there were defamation by impersonation?
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https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/verified-twitter-accounts-impersonate-bush-blair-aipac
There were quite a few others posted to the political forum.
Defamation is very specific legal definition. What you posted is most certainly not defamation. Look it up.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
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Exactly my point. This idea that he's trying to prevent defamation and not trying to prevent his own butt hurtedness is laughable.how many defamation lawsuits have been won over Twitter impersonators? And it's weird that these impersonators we're impersonating under Elon's new verification process....must be a shitty process with not a lot of verification going...
And for the same reasons everyone knows fox isn't news, you can tell that your examples are parody, ie, they're so ridiculous you'd have to move stupid to not realize they're parody.
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So musk is actually limiting free comedic speech pretty badly. He just isn't the joking type. You can tell by his attempts at humor.
You can still post all the comedy you want, that's not being limited. You just can't pretend to be someone else.
Why not? Seems like an arbitrary infringement of free speech
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No, it's limiting defamation that causes harm to reputation. You can still post all the comedy you like.
But impersonation is not defamation.
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Any examples of banned comedy? Or are you referring to impersonation as explained in my last post?
Yes, the banned comedy is impersonation. It’s bizarre that you don’t even recognize that impersonation is a staple of comedy.
What other forms of free expression do you want to ban?
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Elvis impersonators everywhere are defamin Elvis now...
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I recognize it, and you can still do impersonations on Twitter.
I was thinking about doing an impersonation of your account and having some fun with a fake posts just to make a point, but I don't want an excuse for ban happy mods to ban me.
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No one would be stupid enough to believe it, just like no one with half a brain believes the twitter posts are real
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If true, then why the objection to labeling them?
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If true, then why the objection to labeling them?
What’s up with all these speech rules
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I recognize it, and you can still do impersonations on Twitter.
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Impersonation is against the current Twitter rules.
Which is it? Epic backtrack by the way.
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You think falcon can give a good explanation why it’s ok for Twitter to have rules that infringe on one kind of free expression, but not other kinds of free expression? It seems pretty damn arbitrary
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It seems arbitrary because it is a privately held company and they can do what they want. I have been bashing on Elon pretty hard over Twitter, but I actually don't care that he is changing the rules. Nobody should really care, it isn't something you need to survive. Fal and others should be way more concerned about the erosion of the free internet at large as operated by Pai and the Republicans that put him in place. A bunch of crony capitalists that literally sent the internet backwards in the name of giving big business more flexibility to regulate web traffic as they see fit. But we don't hear that bitching do we? Not everybody can be a network engineer, but having a bit of perspective on how the internet works at large is something most lack completely.
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I mean what he considers an acceptable infringement on free speech and what he considers unacceptable seems arbitrary. Why is lying about your identity - even if it’s done in jest - unacceptable to falcon, but other types of lying - like the election being stolen, ivermectin being a treatment for covid, or sandy hook was a hoax - should be permissible.
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336 said: Why do so many people argue in bad faith these days?
because you can't discuss the current republican stance in good faith.
put yourself in that position:
When the point of where you stand in crystal clarity boils down to the fact that you fear Jews will replace you, that you are mistrusting of n****, that women should get back in the kitchen, sexual minorities should f- themselves and you are not willing to spend one cent to come to the aid of a countryman who is poor, then you gotta make stuff up to make yourself appear somewhat presentable and since you underestimate your opponents capacity to think while being high on dunning kruger yourself, it is obvious and distasteful because you are deliberately bullshitting and barely hiding it.
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I recognize it, and you can still do impersonations on Twitter.
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Impersonation is against the current Twitter rules.
Which is it? Epic backtrack by the way.
I've explained it several times.
Verified accounts can't do impersonations, and other account types must include "parody" in the name and not just the bio.
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christopera said: A bunch of crony capitalists that literally sent the internet backwards in the name of giving big business more flexibility to regulate web traffic as they see fit. But we don't hear that bitching do we?
I bitched about it as far back as 2015 and we've had several threads on this.
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koods said: I mean what he considers an acceptable infringement on free speech and what he considers unacceptable seems arbitrary. Why is lying about your identity - even if it’s done in jest - unacceptable to falcon, but other types of lying - like the election being stolen, ivermectin being a treatment for covid, or sandy hook was a hoax - should be permissible.
To me, intentionally lying is bad (yes I know it's your favorite), while debate is good.
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christopera said: A bunch of crony capitalists that literally sent the internet backwards in the name of giving big business more flexibility to regulate web traffic as they see fit. But we don't hear that bitching do we?
I bitched about it as far back as 2015 and we've had several threads on this.
You should be complaining about that instead of Twitter then. Pai and the Republicans are a much bigger threat the internet than Twitter which has sucked for a decade.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: christopera]
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I'm not the one complaining about Twitter.
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koods said: It’s bizarre that you don’t even recognize that impersonation is a staple of comedy.
I recognize it, and you can still do impersonations on Twitter.
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Sulfurshelfsean said: Except his plan was just to sell check marks with no verification, so he was allowing people to impersonate for a few of 8$.
Impersonation is against the current Twitter rules.
Which is it? Epic backtrack by the way.
I've explained it several times.
Verified accounts can't do impersonations, and other account types must include "parody" in the name and not just the bio.
So some people have more free speech than others. But nobody has real free speech if someone is telling you what words you must use.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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You can use any words you like in your parody. You just have to precede that with a note that you're impersonating someone else (if that's what you're doing).
It's odd how strongly you fight defend people's right to deceive, as that seems to be your favorite tactic.
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I don’t want to say it’s a parody.. A lot of the impact a good parody comes from the user not being sure if its real or not. You’re ruining the joke. It’s not free speech if someone tells you how to tell a joke.
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This is a really good troll and would be ruined if it said parody.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I don't think Twitter is the same. That's why I asked you what they're censoring. 
The same shit everyone else is, and from what I can tell since Elon has taken over, they’ve dialed back moderation on hate speech and dialed it up on jokes.
You're getting tricked by the mainstream media same as everyone else here is. Jokes are 100% allowed. Impersonation is not.
It is absolutely legal to use parody or satire. They are protected forms of speech under the constitution. Neither is effective at their purpose by labeling themselves as parody or satire. Musk has previously indicated that all legal speech should be permitted on Twitter. How do you reconcile the current policy of banning parody accounts with Musk's own words abut what 'free speech' on Twitter should mean?
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I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: ballsalsa]
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I thought "the Onion" was real. How dare they! If only there was a legal disclosure, I wouldn't be an idiot.
https://www.theonion.com/raphael-warnock-loses-all-faith-in-god-after-being-forc-1849773615
ATLANTA— Struggling to cope with his shock at the outcome of the midterm elections, Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-GA) reportedly lost all faith in God this week after being forced into a runoff against Herschel Walker. “What loving creator would create a world where I’m required to compete in not one, but two elections against a man like Herschel Walker?” said the visibly shaken Warnock, who removed his glasses in disbelief as he wrestled with the grave theological implications of being a mere percentage point away from losing to a former football player who allegedly threatened to murder his own family members.
“Is this some sort of divine test? No, it is much, much worse. I have been a person of faith for 52 years on this planet and every moment was a rotten lie. There’s no meaning in this twisted universe. There is no God watching over us, and, surely, if there is any sort of deity, he is a wicked being who tortures us for His pleasure. Don’t call me reverend. I am not God’s emissary. I am His nemesis.” At press time, Warnock’s approval rating had edged upward several points after he was spotted tearing his clothes asunder and running naked into a river to curse the sky.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Don't feel bad. Fox News has made that same mistake.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said: It is absolutely legal to use parody or satire. They are protected forms of speech under the constitution.
Of course.
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You don't have to label satire, unless you're pretending to be someone you're not.
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You can still post parody. You just can't pretend to be someone you're not.
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I am against censorship that goes far beyond the law.
What is Elon Musk censoring? Please answer.
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He’s censoring the free expression of people who don’t want to explicitly say they are engaged in parody
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Musk is banning people who have not broken the law. End of argument. That is not being a free speech absolutist. The guy is a hypocrite who also happens to be damaging the company he just bought with his decisions, mostly be cause he doesn't listen to people.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/14/23459244/twitter-elon-musk-blue-verification-internal-warnings-ignored
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“Motivated scammers/bad actors could be willing to pay … to leverage increased amplification to achieve their ends where their upside exceeds the cost,” reads the document’s first recommendation, which the team labeled “P0” to denote a concern in the highest risk category.
“Impersonation of world leaders, advertisers, brand partners, election officials, and other high profile individuals” represented another P0 risk, the team found. “Legacy verification provides a critical signal in enforcing impersonation rules, the loss of which is likely to lead to an increase in impersonation of high-profile accounts on Twitter.”
This is what everyone is laughing at. Even people who don't work for social media could see how lessened moderation would hurt the brand. It's only the people upset they can't post conspiracy videos or incitements to violence, aka bad actors, who were upset with the moderation. Musk got taken to the cleaners because he is one of the idiots who bought that bad faith argument as if it was legitimate.
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The same shit everyone else is, and from what I can tell since Elon has taken over, they’ve dialed back moderation on hate speech and dialed it up on jokes.
You're getting tricked by the mainstream media same as everyone else here is. Jokes are 100% allowed. Impersonation is not.
Just because you’ve redrawn your own personal line in the sand on free speech, to conform with whatever Musk’s approach to moderation is at any given time, doesn’t mean I was tricked by the mainstream media.
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At this point the whole "well duh you've been lied to by the MSM" is a logical fallacy.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
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I'm not disagreeing with you. Elon's not banning people for posting content the other social media platforms are banning people for. He's banning them for breaking Twitter's new rules, which doesn't include censorship of legal content.
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https://www.theverge.com/2022/11/14/23459244/twitter-elon-musk-blue-verification-internal-warnings-ignored
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“Motivated scammers/bad actors could be willing to pay … to leverage increased amplification to achieve their ends where their upside exceeds the cost,” reads the document’s first recommendation, which the team labeled “P0” to denote a concern in the highest risk category.
“Impersonation of world leaders, advertisers, brand partners, election officials, and other high profile individuals” represented another P0 risk, the team found. “Legacy verification provides a critical signal in enforcing impersonation rules, the loss of which is likely to lead to an increase in impersonation of high-profile accounts on Twitter.”
This is what everyone is laughing at. Even people who don't work for social media could see how lessened moderation would hurt the brand. It's only the people upset they can't post conspiracy videos or incitements to violence, aka bad actors, who were upset with the moderation. Musk got taken to the cleaners because he is one of the idiots who bought that bad faith argument as if it was legitimate.
None of the above has anything to do with censorship. It has to do with his paid verification program.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Two questions:
1. What is Elon Musk censoring? 2. What line have I redrawn?
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Sulfurshelfsean said: At this point the whole "well duh you've been lied to by the MSM" is a logical fallacy.
You can also answer the two questions above.
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Elon Musk is also banning people explicitly for making fun of him, apparently calling out engineers publicly and firing them for responding, and earlier today posted a meme telling his employees to suck his dick.
Also, Richard Spencer, everyone's favorite punchable nazi, is now back on Twitter.
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Also, Richard Spencer, everyone's favorite punchable nazi, is now back on Twitter.
So Twitter is as free as any dictatorship.
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Two questions:
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Sulfurshelfsean said: At this point the whole "well duh you've been lied to by the MSM" is a logical fallacy.
You can also answer the two questions above.
1. Mostly the same shit that Jack Dorsey and co were 2. The metric by which Musk will establish free speech on the platform
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this has been another great entertaining roundabout debate where nothing happens for 6 pages over one controversial yet meaningless point
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Drugs and boredom do strange things to a person
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
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I'm not disagreeing with you. Elon's not banning people for posting content the other social media platforms are banning people for. He's banning them for breaking Twitter's new rules, which doesn't include censorship of legal content.
You have no idea what you’re talking about
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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Mostly the same shit that Jack Dorsey and co were
Any examples?
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You guys should also feel free to let me know what is being censored.
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Go poll 50 Twitter users and report back.
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You guys should also feel free to let me know what is being censored.
People making fun of Elon Musk
They are still banning racists and homophobes. I got someone banned just last week for calling a black person a monkey. Pretty sure that’s not illegal.

Like I said, you don’t know what you’re talking about. The rules haven’t changed as far as I can tell, except now you can be banned for making fun of the owner
I wouldn’t be surprised if account suspensions are at an all time high. A lot of people are pushing the limits since musk took over.
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They are still banning racists and homophobes. I got someone banned just last week for calling a black person a monkey. Pretty sure that’s not illegal.
Thank you. Finally an answer. 
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One big change is that now you can tweet Russian facts again.
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For sure that's happening. By people don't like the idea of pro-Russian voices on Twitter, or Trump returning to Twitter.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: What is Elon Musk censoring?
Mostly the same shit that Jack Dorsey and co were
Any examples? 
I think it’s on you to prove your claim that twitter’s censorship has become more lenient since musk took over.
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Mostly the same shit that Jack Dorsey and co were
Any examples? 
I think it’s on you to prove your claim that twitter’s censorship has become more lenient since musk took over.
They're not censoring controversial topics anymore like Facebook, YouTube, and the old Twitter used to do, like pro-Ukraine material for example.
Obviously, they're going to fire employees who publicly speak out against the new free speech policy, not because they object to free speech, but because why keep employees who are against the company's goals?
Twitter Advertisers Should Support Free Speech, Not The Woke Mob Newsweek 15 Nov 22
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They're not censoring controversial topics anymore like Facebook, YouTube, and the old Twitter used to do, like pro-Ukraine material for example.
Have they? I’ve seen no evidence that is true. I’ve seen a lot of people banned because they thought their content was permissible again, and it wasn’t.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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Reminds me of Trump saying every news network that chose not to air his announcement speech live an enemy of free speech.
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I posted the link to the tweet in the right winger thread but Musk is now stating that all “hate/negative” tweets will be invisible unless you search for them.
So…censorship of basically anything he considers “negative.” Solid metric.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I don’t get it. If you’re leaving it up, then you’ve still got hate speech on your platform that people will find and amplify
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28058201 - 11/18/22 01:00 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Isn't this just shadow banning by another name lol
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
#28058209 - 11/18/22 01:09 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Au contraire, this is...uh...freedom shrouding. It's completely different and...more free?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28058212 - 11/18/22 01:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Here's specifically what he said: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593673339826212864
Not quite just "anything he considers negative".
I realize we're both on opposite sides of whether he's really allowing more free speech or not, and I'm willing to acknowledge certain things like hate speech may be bumped down in priority, and paid verification may be bumped up, but I guess it's semantics as to whether or not either of these classifies as censorship.
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koods said: I don’t get it. If you’re leaving it up, then you’ve still got hate speech on your platform that people will find and amplify
That's why I'm saying I don't think it's censorship.
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Elon just formalized the policy of shadowbanning stuff that he or his advertisers don’t want seen. This is….innovative and also good? Alright.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28058465 - 11/18/22 03:44 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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That's why I'm saying I don't think it's censorship.
It’s not free speech either
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Here's specifically what he said: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1593673339826212864
Not quite just "anything he considers negative".
I realize we're both on opposite sides of whether he's really allowing more free speech or not, and I'm willing to acknowledge certain things like hate speech may be bumped down in priority, and paid verification may be bumped up, but I guess it's semantics as to whether or not either of these classifies as censorship.
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koods said: I don’t get it. If you’re leaving it up, then you’ve still got hate speech on your platform that people will find and amplify
That's why I'm saying I don't think it's censorship.
Perhaps we should ask Elon Musk for some general guidelines on what he considers "negative". I think his answers might make yours seems stable by comparison.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kryptos]
#28059710 - 11/19/22 08:53 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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It's got to be at least four threads now gone over to the Twitter debate, which is interesting in itself, and weird IMO.
I guess this is my senior moment because I have never read Twitter, except for a few links here, and haven't looked at Facebook for four years except for my favorite band's fansite. The importance of social media is lost on me, but I do think private companies should set their own rules, and am not seeing censorship issues. I think it's a market of ideas, and if someone can't find a forum for their speech, the fault lies with their speech.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Brian Jones] 3
#28059758 - 11/19/22 09:28 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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For me, it’s another example of how a seemingly naked truth (a right wing billionaire buying twitter as a joke will not make it a better or more inclusive platform) has evaded enough people here due to their weird cultural affinities that we have to beat it into their skulls for a few weeks until they either leave or find a new thing to obsessively defend.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28059878 - 11/19/22 11:02 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I didn't have any theory on the people here.
Musk is puzzling. People used to see him as this genius who was somewhat beyond our comprehension, because of his special vision or something. His was different than Jeff Bezos' path to success which was doing what anybody could do, except creating a tech platform to do it incredibly quickly. Musk seems to be bored now and is going off on tangents for his own amusement. First the dogecoin influencer and now Twitter, and little recent interest that I've read in Tesla. I'll be surprised if he stays on the top of the heap.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28059881 - 11/19/22 11:04 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I'm not here for Twitter, I'm here to shit on Elon and his Musketeers.
Although, I will disagree with you Ecstatic, that Elon bought Twitter as a joke. Especially given that email where he asked people to work harder for him or quit, I think Elon Musk is getting high off his own supply. He is starting to believe that he is actually the smartest/best/greatest person to ever live, and that people all love him and would fight for the chance to work for him.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kryptos]
#28059887 - 11/19/22 11:10 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Musk read too many Orson Scott Card books or something.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: ballsalsa]
#28059899 - 11/19/22 11:19 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Did Card go right wing nutter with success, or was he always that way?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Brian Jones]
#28059934 - 11/19/22 11:39 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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He was a Blue Dog Democrat, so I'm guessing he was always that way. Sounds like he is economically progressive, but much more in favor of social control.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Brian Jones] 1
#28060012 - 11/19/22 12:13 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Brian Jones said: Did Card go right wing nutter with success, or was he always that way?
Well, most of his books are filled with Mormon and Christian allegory so I'm gonna guess he was always that way. I just meant that Musk seems to be trying to fulfill the role of ruthless but ultimately benevolent authoritarian overlord that crops up a lot, particularly in the Ender universe but also the Homecoming series, etc.
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Kryptos said: He was a Blue Dog Democrat, so I'm guessing he was always that way. Sounds like he is economically progressive, but much more in favor of social control.
Here again, perhaps the Homecoming series could give us some insight. The story is set in the far future in a time after humanity destroyed life on earth to such an extent via (nuclear?) warfare that the survivors were forced to abandon it for the stars in colony ship(s?). In order to prevent the same catastrophe on their new planet a group of colonists develop an advanced AI satellite and use genetic engineering to connect everyone to it telepathically. The AI uses insidious methods to prevent the colonists and their descendants from even thinking about verboten ideas such as the wheel which might allow them to one day engage in warfare on a planetary scale again. The big crisis of the first few books is that after many generations, the humans have genetically drifted such that the AI's connection to them is becoming tenuous and the satellite itself is (potentially) malfunctioning. The protagonist must assemble a tribe to find the starship that brought the colonists there in the hope of returning to earth to find a way to repair or replace the AI which they refer to as the "Oversoul"
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Elon Musk on Thanksgiving announced amnesty for suspended Twitter accounts that have not broken the law or engaged in egregious spam, starting next week.
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Awesome so all the accounts that have been banned for doxxing or repeatedly calling black people niggers are back
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28068341 - 11/25/22 07:11 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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The world's smartest man has lost 165 million dollars a day (average) for a year. Other elites are losing as well, but Musk seems dead set on leading the group. When the market falls, the one with the most stock value would be expected to lose the most, but he's putting his own personal stamp on the decline, beyond the tech sector trends. Twitter is only a small part of his holdings, but when has an acquisition gone this bad this fast?
He just said he doesn't want to be the CEO of any companies. Many Tesla investors would be happy if he found somebody else to run it.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28069300 - 11/25/22 06:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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koods said: Awesome so all the accounts that have been banned for doxxing or repeatedly calling black people niggers are back
And he’s still banning people critical of the right. Who could have possibly guessed.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28069324 - 11/25/22 06:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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You mean the billionaire oligarch was part of the establishment the whole time?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: ballsalsa] 1
#28069621 - 11/25/22 11:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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To be fair - when you're in positions like his, unless you're extremely socially keen on how to balance your influences around you (which he and most arent) - you probably have so many capitalists, marketers, advisory commission cunts etc. in your ear all the time that your own views become extremely warped by the environment you're constantly engulfed in.
So for the most part we shouldn't trust career business people to do anything except make money
There should be laws that force companies to structure themselves in a sort of triarchy similar to the government - where there are checks and balances coming from different interests - and not just a singular goal of profit. If there was a mandatory ethics agency and mandatory environmental practices agency within each massive corporation that held its own independent power then we would likely see a lot better business out there.
Dictatorships don't work - and neither do governments ran by singular interests - so why do we think that businesses work for the world around them when they're only ran from a singular interest of money?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: twighead]
#28069745 - 11/26/22 04:34 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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ballsalsa said: You mean the billionaire oligarch was part of the establishment the whole time?

It would make for an interesting venn diagram.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28070957 - 11/27/22 12:21 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: And he’s still banning people critical of the right. Who could have possibly guessed.
Who's an example of someone critical of the right who was banned that we can track to see if Musk follows through on his amnesty plan next week?
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Bump for The Ecstatic (see previous question).
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Glenn Greenwald talks about the Twitter situation. If you don't want to watch (it's a bit long at 1/2 hour), the title says it all
The Media's Deranged Hysteria Over Elon Musk's Promised Restoration of Free Speech
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I present 'A Tale in Three Quotes'
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: That's a tactic of the mainstream news; they expect most of their audience to only read the title and maybe the first paragraph or so.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I should have known better than to let the headline of a mainstream news source mislead me after telling shivas.wisdom about how the mainstream news like to bury the important details deep in their story.
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shivas.wisdom said: I present 'A Tale in Three Quotes'
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: That's a tactic of the mainstream news; they expect most of their audience to only read the title and maybe the first paragraph or so.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I should have known better than to let the headline of a mainstream news source mislead me after telling shivas.wisdom about how the mainstream news like to bury the important details deep in their story.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: If you don't want to watch (it's a bit long at 1/2 hour), the title says it all.

Almost a good rebuttal, except I did watch the video, and the title does say it all.
Glenn Greenwald is far more honest than the mainstream media, and he doesn't mislead people with his headlines.
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Ahh... So the correct takeaway from all this is that we should trust you to tell us which headlines to believe - personally, I'll continue to stick to the ol' faithful 'read beyond the headline'.
It's just absolutely hilarious seeing you warn people against trusting headlines; spread misinformation you learned from trusting headlines; and tell us to trust the headlines you say are ok to trust. It's like some weird existentialist art production - Hell is other headlines.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Glenn Greenwald is far more honest than the mainstream media, and he doesn't mislead people with his headlines.

I'm 16 minutes in and he's been hammering the same false claim about a headline for the majority of it. But now I get why you keep spouting the word "melt" over and over. You're like a parrot. It's cute.
He quoted this:
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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — New Twitter owner Elon Musk said Thursday that he is granting “amnesty” for suspended accounts, which online safety experts predict will spur a rise in harassment, hate speech and misinformation.
Then proceeds to say that the experts are completely made up and that there is no more information of note in the article.

I'm guessing he's pretty confident no one will actually go read the article because it describes who the experts are, why they are experts on what this means with regards to Twitter, and why they expect a rise in harassment, hate speech, and misinformation. The AP included more than one voice and actually researched what they espoused. So yeah, Glenn is a far cry from that. He just spouts opinion mixed with taking and misrepresenting the work of others. This seems to be your favorite form of "news".
Here's the article if anyone wants to read who the "completely made up" and "non-existent" experts actually are. https://apnews.com/article/elon-musk-technology-donald-trump-business-misinformation-c60bc41229339eaec5008188fa6d057c
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kickle]
#28073130 - 11/28/22 02:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I know carrying water for fascists around the world is a lot of work, but does Glenn Greenwald still do any actual reporting?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28073158 - 11/28/22 02:33 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I think he recorded that in his spare bedroom after google searching "elon twitter" for a few minutes.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kickle]
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He also walks the line fairly carefully at points about safety experts. He doesn't refute the claim, he just attacks the expert and questions their qualifications. He doesn't actually have any information saying these things won't happen, he doesn't even try to say they won't happen, he just calls the experts big fat poo poo heads. Then he goes on to say that the fear mongoring is preventing free speech, which it isn't, what prevented this unbridled free speech that they are jerking off to is the fact that nobody actually likes reading tweets about white supremacist desires to blow up black churches or whatever nut job things that happens on 4chan or 8chan. Twitter was trying to sell a product, and while it clearly promoted right wing talking points, if you look at it overall the vast majority of twitter traffic was not political at all. Curious that right wingers like Glenn and Fal never bring that up...
Glenn's piece was garbage. Some of his worst work ever. Hardly fact based, total opinion, just absolute toilet bowl malarkey with little bearing in reality.
I look forward to Fal posting more of those videos so I can laugh out loud as Glenn drives what was once a nice career straight into the ground. He's the Alex Jones for the pretend "left."
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: christopera]
#28073267 - 11/28/22 03:54 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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$8chan
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1597285572699074560?cxt=HHwWgMCt2f-w2aosAAAA
Looks like we're getting desperate to find ways to make Twitter profitable. Free speech is defined as paying Elon Musk advertising revenue
I think Apple taking 30% of everyone else's revenue has been wild and predatory for a long time. But IMO Elon is only making a stink about it now because he can't find any other way to make that money
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shivas.wisdom said: Ahh... So the correct takeaway from all this is that we should trust you to tell us which headlines to believe
Wrong once again. I'm saying I read it and I believe the title aligns with the story. You're welcome to view the video if you don't trust the title.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kickle]
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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — New Twitter owner Elon Musk said Thursday that he is granting “amnesty” for suspended accounts, which online safety experts predict will spur a rise in harassment, hate speech and misinformation.
Then proceeds to say that the experts are completely made up and that there is no more information of note in the article.
WRONG. He didn't say "the experts are completely made up". He asked what makes them "online safety experts" and said the title was made up.
He also questioned how allowing people who were previously censored from Twitter will make others unsafe if they are uncensored (for example Garland Nixon, Scott Ritter, etc). Maybe you can know?
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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koods said: I know carrying water for fascists around the world is a lot of work, but does Glenn Greenwald still do any actual reporting?
You keep saying that by not make believing about people the establishment wants us to hate, that I am supporting them. No, I'm just anti-make believe, which I know makes you sad.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: christopera]
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christopera said: ...what prevented this unbridled free speech that they are jerking off to is the fact that nobody actually likes reading tweets about white supremacist desires to blow up black churches or whatever nut job things that happens on 4chan or 8chan.
Why was comedian Garland Nixon or military analyst Scott Ritter banned from Twitter? Because they spoke against the establishment narrative.
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Please post the tweets that got them banned. I have no idea who either of those people are, I'd like to judge for myself.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
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Also, why do we have like 6 Twitter discussions? In the grand scheme of things it's not important enough for any more than 2 threads
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
#28073792 - 11/28/22 10:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Here's the one from Garland Nixon:
The tweet that got him banned was at 0:40.
Looks like people got butthurt that he talked negatively about the establishment.
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Jesus Christ, post the actual fucking tweet like koods would, I ain't watching a damn video to see a fucking tweet. Could you be more obtuse. I've had a suspicion for a while that you are pretty far on the spectrum. Think I'm right.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
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I can't give you the tweet, as he was banned. 
I gave you the timestamp in the video, so you can find it in about 2 seconds.
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I gave you the timestamp in the video, so you can find it in about 2 seconds.
Wait when someone on Twitter gets banned, you can't see the tweet? How does one know what they got banned for?
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shivas.wisdom said: Ahh... So the correct takeaway from all this is that we should trust you to tell us which headlines to believe - personally, I'll continue to stick to the ol' faithful 'read beyond the headline'.
It's just absolutely hilarious seeing you warn people against trusting headlines; spread misinformation you learned from trusting headlines; and tell us to trust the headlines you say are ok to trust. It's like some weird existentialist art production - Hell is other headlines.
All this time I thought we were in Orwell territory, and it was Sartre the whole time.
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So you’re confirming that Elon musk is still banning accounts. We’ve been telling you this for a month.
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WRONG. He didn't say "the experts are completely made up". He asked what makes them "online safety experts" and said the title was made up.
He also questioned how allowing people who were previously censored from Twitter will make others unsafe if they are uncensored (for example Garland Nixon, Scott Ritter, etc). Maybe you can know?
Why are company employed experts on the safety of an online platform then referred to in an article as online safety experts? Huh, really great and insightful question. Thanks for spending 20 minutes on it Glenn. And glad you're still confused. High minded stuff here.
I'll address your second question if you tell me what he meant by unsafe. Cause apparently the EU study citing illegal hate crimes not being dealt with doesn't qualify as unsafe. If legality isn't a starting metric I'm not sure where to go.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I can't give you the tweet, as he was banned. 
I gave you the timestamp in the video, so you can find it in about 2 seconds.
Wait when someone on Twitter gets banned, you can't see the tweet? How does one know what they got banned for?
The person who gets banned knows. You don’t get banned for one tweet tho. They lock your account and give you the opportunity to delete it. If you don’t delete it then your account gets locked. Multiple violations result in a permanent ban
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
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koods said: So you’re confirming that Elon musk is still banning accounts. We’ve been telling you this for a month.
Musk says amnesty is coming. I'm curious to see he'll do it.
If he does, it's a win for free speech.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kickle]
#28075288 - 11/29/22 09:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Kickle said: Why are company employed experts on the safety of an online platform then referred to in an article as online safety experts? Huh, really great and insightful question. Thanks for spending 20 minutes on it Glenn. And glad you're still confused. High minded stuff here.
I'll address your second question if you tell me what he meant by unsafe.
I think I already brought it up - unsafe means against the establishment narrative. That's why they banned Scott Ritter and Garland Nixon.
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I've said many times I'm good with Twitter censoring illegal content, but I'm not good with the exceptions above.
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I'll be honest I have no clue who those people are or what they've posted. But a thoughtful review of COVID era reactionary banning would be a far cry from wide sweeping amnesty. All sorts of wild west type shit happened during COVID and understandably IMO mistakes exist and are likely on all fronts from all parties. It was trial and of course some error.
But the AP article covers this in part. Elon said he would do a thoughtful review before going nevermind, YOLO!
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Kickle said: Why are company employed experts on the safety of an online platform then referred to in an article as online safety experts? Huh, really great and insightful question. Thanks for spending 20 minutes on it Glenn. And glad you're still confused. High minded stuff here.
I'll address your second question if you tell me what he meant by unsafe.
I think I already brought it up - unsafe means against the establishment narrative. That's why they banned Scott Ritter and Garland Nixon.
Source for this claim that unsafe = against establishment narrative? Like you linked to that Twitter research paper. The one that doesn't entirely say what you think it says because you didn't read the methodology sections.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
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This idea that a company, now or then, isn't about profitably but instead somehow about free speech is so absurd that I cannot believe this is actually a talking point.
Of course a company is about profit. If it's not making money it's not a company. Musk knows that too and is not some freedom fighter. He's trying to make money just like the prior owners were working to make money. And based on the advertiser flight they did a better job of understanding what allows advertisers to see a return on investment.
Musk is attacking anything that hurts profitability except his own decision making and actions. Which are the most direct cause of course. He dictated the changes which garnered the response, not anyone else. He's the one who keeps shit posting while the Twitter brand is now tied in to those posts. It is the height of hubris to blame others. But what else is expected from a billionaire?
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koods said: So you’re confirming that Elon musk is still banning accounts. We’ve been telling you this for a month.
Musk says amnesty is coming. I'm curious to see he'll do it.
If he does, it's a win for free speech.
Yeah he’s going to let all the right wing bigots back on the site while continuing to ban labor organizers, and other left-leaning accounts that irritate him.
Can’t make parody accounts but can deny the existence of trans people.
Sounds like freedom to me!
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kickle]
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Kickle said: I'll be honest I have no clue who those people are or what they've posted. But a thoughtful review of COVID era reactionary banning would be a far cry from wide sweeping amnesty. All sorts of wild west type shit happened during COVID and understandably IMO mistakes exist and are likely on all fronts from all parties. It was trial and of course some error.
But the AP article covers this in part. Elon said he would do a thoughtful review before going nevermind, YOLO!
Scott Ritter shouldn’t even be allowed online. He’s a convicted pedophile who spent five years in jail for trying to pickup a 15 year old girl online
That’s who falcon wants Twitter to platform
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28075800 - 11/30/22 09:55 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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In ritters world he’s not a pedo, COVID’s a conspiracy, Russia is justified, and falcon went to ukraine.
It’s called fantasy land.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: mushboy]
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28075864 - 11/30/22 10:53 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Ice9 said: Source for this claim that unsafe = against establishment narrative?
The real world. Watch the Garland Nixon video for example.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kickle]
#28075871 - 11/30/22 10:59 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Kickle said: This idea that a company, now or then, isn't about profitably but instead somehow about free speech is so absurd that I cannot believe this is actually a talking point.
Who made that talking point? Serious question.
Musk is hoping to make money by offering a platform that has freer speech than the others. And so far, Twitter use is up. But companies who prefer the establishment narrative don't want to support them.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Musk says amnesty is coming. I'm curious to see he'll do it.
If he does, it's a win for free speech.
Yeah he’s going to let all the right wing bigots back on the site while continuing to ban labor organizers, and other left-leaning accounts that irritate him.
I've asked this twice now, but which labor organizer and left leaning accounts are getting banned? I'm asking so we can follow those accounts to see if they get unbanned or not per his promise.
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The Ecstatic said: Can’t make parody accounts but can deny the existence of trans people.
To be more accurate, you can't impersonate others.
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Ice9 said: Source for this claim that unsafe = against establishment narrative?
The real world. Watch the Garland Nixon video for example.
So totally made up. Got ya, chief
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
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You think I made up that Garland Nixon was banned? Check out his account: https://twitter.com/GarlandNixon/
Watch the Jimmy Dore video which includes the reason why he was banned.
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Banned by Elon musk, your free speech warrior
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To be more accurate, you can't impersonate others.
Impersonating others isn’t illegal. It’s a staple of satire. You just don’t like free speech you don’t agree with
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Ice9 said: Source for this claim that unsafe = against establishment narrative?
The real world. Watch the Garland Nixon video for example.
So totally made up. Got ya, chief
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You think I made up that Garland Nixon was banned? Check out his account: https://twitter.com/GarlandNixon/
Watch the Jimmy Dore video which includes the reason why he was banned.
You made up that unsafe is synonymous with against the establishment. Stop trying to spin your answers when it is in writing for everyone to see already.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
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Ice9 said: You made up that unsafe is synonymous with against the establishment.
What Garland Nixon said was clearly anti-establishment. How was it unsafe?
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Kickle said: This idea that a company, now or then, isn't about profitably but instead somehow about free speech is so absurd that I cannot believe this is actually a talking point.
Who made that talking point? Serious question.
Musk is hoping to make money by offering a platform that has freer speech than the others. And so far, Twitter use is up. But companies who prefer the establishment narrative don't want to support them.
I think you've made this point indirectly by saying Twitter was actively working to block free speech. Nope, they were just running a business. And Musk will do almost all of the same things if he wants to actually come even close to profitable. He's not going to reinvent what allows an advertiser to profit and maintain brand image. He's not going to rewrite laws. This is not about free speech in any way and never has been. It's always been business and doing what it takes to keep the lights on.
So far he's imposed extra fees to the consumer, yay? And lost advertising revenue that he has not even come close to replacing. He is lined up to lose more money in legal/regulatory fees and maybe even lose some of the hard earned pipelines for this platform. He needs something drastic to save the company as it appears right now. Maybe this whole yelling at apple thing will work out, but I doubt it.
Twitter needs apples user base. Apple does not need twitter.
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Ice9 said: You made up that unsafe is synonymous with against the establishment.
What Garland Nixon said was clearly anti-establishment. How was it unsafe?
I don't fucking know, you're the one that said it. Half the time I don't know what the fuck you are talking about because it makes so little sense in regards to the thread. You're almost as good at non sequiturs as sunshine was.
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I think I already brought it up - unsafe means against the establishment narrative. That's why they banned Scott Ritter and Garland Nixon.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Ice9]
#28076415 - 11/30/22 03:49 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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It’s true. Molesting children is antiestablishment
There are so many anti establishment figures that falcon could simp for, why is it always the pedophile?
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Ice9 said: You made up that unsafe is synonymous with against the establishment.
What Garland Nixon said was clearly anti-establishment. How was it unsafe?
I dunno, publicly tweeting another person's "schedule" like that really sounds like he's impersonating their scheduler.
And we all know how dangerous such an impersonation can be.
In other news, a security researcher found that Twitter leaked 5.6m user's data. He was promptly banned from twitter after tweeting this fact.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kryptos]
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A lot of accounts that tweeted that story have been banned. It’s entirely obvious that Elons idea of free speech ends at damaging criticism of his behavior or businesses.
It was the last thing antifascist chad loder tweeted before being banned a week ago
Chad Loder has been a target of the proud boys and other attendees on January 6 after he starting posting evidence that got a bunch of attendees arrested. Proud boy sympathizer Andy Ngo had a public conversation with musk complaining about loder hours before he got banned.
https://theintercept.com/2021/11/10/proud-boys-antifascist-tweet-chad-loder-court/
Then there’s this the day before the ban

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Free speech warrior Elon Musk. I can’t believe people fell for it. Falcon will never be able to admit he was wrong, which adds yet another knot in his pretzel-like ideology
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But let's be clear here. Elon Musk is perfectly within his rights to ban anyone who criticizes Twitter or himself. After all, it can't be good for business, and Twitter should not be forced to publish content that is harmful to the platform.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Enlil]
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Of course, but we can all still clown him for pretending to be a free speech absolutist
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Musk has impulse-control issues as well as a big dunning-kruger issue. There's is little to no chance that he gave much thought to what a censorship-free twitter would actually look like.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Enlil]
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I don't think he can be that dumb. I mean, he's been on the internet before.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: ballsalsa]
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His ego hasn’t stopped growing and it’s starting to lead him into making bad decisions
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Enlil]
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I'll criticize the nature of corporate social media, but my proposed solution will always be a decentralized internet.
I'm just here getting my kicks watching the Cirque du Soleil of opposition to old Twitter's 'censorship' and defense of Elon Twitter's 'free speech'. If I understand koods post, apparently Falcon91Wolvrn03 has been arguing that this Garland Nixon was banned by old Twitter for bad reasons, when he was actually banned by Elon Twitter. That's a feat.
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Let's face it... skinheads know how to party.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: ballsalsa]
#28076906 - 11/30/22 07:34 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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ballsalsa said: I don't think he can be that dumb. I mean, he's been on the internet before.
One of the all time worst posters, imo.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Enlil]
#28077157 - 11/30/22 09:12 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said: Twitter is a house. If there's enough people in it, it becomes a party. That party is as cool or lame as the people at the party.
Let's face it... skinheads know how to party.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kryptos]
#28077351 - 12/01/22 12:25 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Kryptos said: I dunno, publicly tweeting another person's "schedule" like that really sounds like he's impersonating their scheduler.
No it doesn't.
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: koods]
#28077352 - 12/01/22 12:27 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: Free speech warrior Elon Musk. I can’t believe people fell for it. Falcon will never be able to admit he was wrong
I'll admit I was wrong if Garland Nixon doesn't get reinstated after the amnesty.
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shivas.wisdom said: I'm just here getting my kicks watching the Cirque du Soleil of opposition to old Twitter's 'censorship' and defense of Elon Twitter's 'free speech'. If I understand koods post, apparently Falcon91Wolvrn03 has been arguing that this Garland Nixon was banned by old Twitter for bad reasons, when he was actually banned by Elon Twitter. That's a feat.
I never said he was banned by old Twitter, but I seriously doubt Elon Musk reads all 500 million tweets a day, and it was likely someone from the old school Twitter that banned him.
As I just said, if they don't reinstate Garland after the amnesty, I'll admit I was wrong.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I never said he was banned by old Twitter [...] it was likely someone from the old school Twitter that banned him.
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It's the Twitter Deep State!
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Re: Saudi Arabia to join BRICS??? [Re: Kryptos]
#28077626 - 12/01/22 08:44 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Elon didn't end enough careers
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