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I have found the solution to american politics
    #28036627 - 11/06/22 02:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

The Presidency, as well as the highest positions in the House and Senate (and whatever other important executive type positions I'm forgetting) rotate on an 8-year cycle between the Republicans and the Democrats. Since we have a two-party system at this point we might as well just have them take turns. Perhaps this could lessen the gridlock and wasted time campaigning to some degree and allow each side their fair time to control the country.

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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: 336]
    #28036629 - 11/06/22 02:18 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

No.

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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #28036632 - 11/06/22 02:18 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

your reasoning?


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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: 336]
    #28036636 - 11/06/22 02:22 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Bad idea.

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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #28036641 - 11/06/22 02:27 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

why?


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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: 336]
    #28036816 - 11/06/22 04:01 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

The solution has always been to get the money out of politics. The problem is that the ones getting that money are the only ones capable of enacting the solution

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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: feevers]
    #28036830 - 11/06/22 04:06 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

i think it's impossible to keep money out of politics. there will always be loopholes. like giving speeches for hundreds of thousands, or buying/selling artwork, or 'misplacing funds', funneling money offshores, etc etc.

unless you have some ideas?


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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: feevers]
    #28036842 - 11/06/22 04:13 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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The solution has always been to get the money out of politics. The problem is that the ones getting that money are the only ones capable of enacting the solution



That may be a solution, but how to do that is another problem...one for which no solution has been found yet.


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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28036883 - 11/06/22 04:38 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

It's been awhile since I read it but I believe Lawrence Lessig's idea was to allocate $100 to every citizen to donate to candidates of their choice, and that's the only money that can be used for their campaigns. Bar politicians from certain types of lobbying and corporate positions upon leaving office. It doesn't go far enough, but something like it could lead to a lot of improvement

I'd be more in favor of something drastic like doing similar to the above while also having an agency that monitors the finances of everyone in congress. Forced retirement for these public servants after leaving office... give them a solid salary with yearly cost of living increases and a pension and limit any future employment prospects to federal jobs or something, while having their finances continue to be monitored.

It wouldn't root out all the financial corruption, but the system right now essentially encourages these people to whore themselves to the highest bidder with no repercussions. I think if there was any sort of challenge or genuine risk associated with selling their yes/no votes, we'd see a whole lot less of it.

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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: feevers]
    #28037033 - 11/06/22 06:19 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

I could be wrong, but I find it less likely for congress to agree on making it harder for them to get rich, then it would be to get them agree to just take turns running the country. But maybe I'm foolish. Maybe they actually want the gridlock.


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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: 336]
    #28037045 - 11/06/22 06:29 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

IMO the current 2 party system is the second worst thing (behind money) in American politics and your solution emboldens the problem instead of addressing it. Taking money out of the equation at least limits the need to pander to party lines for the party-funded campaign cash flow, allowing more freedom for ideas that are less establishment-approved but popular to voters

Real change will never happen either way though

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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: feevers]
    #28037055 - 11/06/22 06:38 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

How do you stop independent expenditures in favor of a candidate, party, or referendum?

How do you define real change?


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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: feevers]
    #28037061 - 11/06/22 06:40 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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IMO the current 2 party system is the second worst thing (behind money) in American politics and your solution emboldens the problem instead of addressing it. Taking money out of the equation at least limits the need to pander to party lines for the party-funded campaign cash flow, allowing more freedom for ideas that are less establishment-approved but popular to voters

Real change will never happen either way though



yeah but the two party system isn't going anywhere. anytime i bring up voting third party every laughs; and the numbers back it up

same with the corruption and bribery

So I figure if we can't fix either of those two things, we might as well force them to take turns instead.


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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: Enlil]
    #28037098 - 11/06/22 06:58 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

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How do you stop independent expenditures in favor of a candidate, party, or referendum?

How do you define real change?




You probably can't, would have to revisit Citizen's United and make regulations on political ads, which the supreme court would never go for. Then there are endless other ways money would be used to drum up support for candidates, but with the right regulations it'd be a lot less easy and attractive than the current model where the corporations/ultra wealthy can just passively and even 'anonymously' send in their donations and buy influence.

Real change to me would just be a shift to a government where the will of the citizens always takes precedent over the will of the corporations or the select few 'elites'. Probably would need to take a jackhammer to gerrymandering and the electoral college for that too though, which are another couple of things that will never happen.

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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: feevers]
    #28037105 - 11/06/22 07:00 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

see that's what I'm saying. Barring a revolution, the power structure is never going to relinquish it's power, nor make itself poorer. So we might as well have them take turns. That way we can save time on all the political bullshit of "we have to make sure our party wins!" type shit and just focus on each party accomplishing their goals in the time they have allotted to them.


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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: 336]
    #28037221 - 11/06/22 08:12 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

Your taking voting rights away from the populace.....what could possibly go wrong?


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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: feevers]
    #28037226 - 11/06/22 08:16 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

IME, policy does tend to follow the will of the people in the u.s.


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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28037227 - 11/06/22 08:17 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

what voting rights? the electoral college chooses the president. the speaker of the house of selected by the house reps, the vp presides over the senate, and scotus is chosen by the president.

people would still have the same voting rights that they have now, which is to elect their local politicians and senators. given that isn't rigged as well; which it probably is.


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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: 336]
    #28037240 - 11/06/22 08:24 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

When voters vote in a Presidential election, they are actually voting for the slate of electors who  vowed to cast their ballots for that ticket in the Electoral College.


Additionally, the majority of states require that all electoral votes go to the candidate who receives the most votes in that state. Making voters vote on only Repubes or Democrats every 8 years takes away choice, unless I don't get what your saying.


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Re: I have found the solution to american politics [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28037245 - 11/06/22 08:27 PM (1 year, 6 months ago)

"choice"; you still think the american voter has a choice? :lol:

meh, whatever, let the two sides stay gridlocked and bicker and continue to launder money and get nothing done then. because it'll take away people's 'choice'; :lol:


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