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Beginner Friendly way to go?
#28031318 - 11/03/22 03:20 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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After failing with the all in one grow bag gimmick. I been reading up a lot on the forum and asking questions and what not. I decided to everything right this time. I got my trick or treat bag from (you know) and man it was a deal of a lifetime.
I got from the deal: P cubensis pes Hawaiian P cubensis pf red spore P cubensis pf classic P cubensis GT Panaeolus bisporus Panaeolus (copelandia) cambodginiensis sandose domesticate Thailand suphanburi goliath Agrocybe aegerita
With this said, i just made agar in 2oz. deli cups to do tiger drop tek. I have not inoculated yet, letting them cool in the fridge.
What is the easiest tek to go with for a beginner? I have everything for BRF tek but donโt think you can tiger drop into the jar. This will be my first grow and want to try something easy.
Would you recommend BRF or PK or some kind of grain tek for first grow?
I would like to do monotub or shotgun but will to go easy for beginners until I learn more. I have considered grain to bulk also.
There are so many options here, I am sure there is no best way, but what do you guys recommend I start with?
Even what spores listd above should I go with?
Edited by Zambooki (11/03/22 04:46 PM)
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: Zambooki]
#28031326 - 11/03/22 03:24 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Do pf tek with the brf using a water tub and you will find that the golden teachers (GT) are most forgiving.
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: cooleko]
#28031396 - 11/03/22 03:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Since you made agar I'm assuming you have a pressure cooker, yes?
PF tek doesn't work too well with agar cause of the use of the dry verm layer on top
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: SirPsycho]
#28031413 - 11/03/22 04:09 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Make filtered lids (or run unmodified lids) without the verm layer and you can inoculate BRF jars with agar/colonized grains etc.
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: So Anyway]
#28031429 - 11/03/22 04:20 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Did you get syringes or prints?
Going from syringe direct to agar is a total pain.
I like to start syringes on "seed petris" - 3 tablespoons of hydrated grain in the bottom of the 500ml PP5 container and then sterilised.
A squirt from your syringe and you're off and running. Once you have some growth, take a grain or two to agar.
You will even get some fruits this way, especially if you use rye grass seed which can be printed or cloned.
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: SirPsycho]
#28031464 - 11/03/22 04:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes i have instapot for pressure cooker.
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: bongoman]
#28031466 - 11/03/22 04:45 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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bongoman said: Did you get syringes or prints?
Going from syringe direct to agar is a total pain.
I like to start syringes on "seed petris" - 3 tablespoons of hydrated grain in the bottom of the 500ml PP5 container and then sterilised.
A squirt from your syringe and you're off and running. Once you have some growth, take a grain or two to agar.
You will even get some fruits this way, especially if you use rye grass seed which can be printed or cloned.
I have syringe only.
So basically you are putting the grain to agar. I will put that in my notes. Im leaning towards the BRF tek in SGFC since I have everything already. But someone here told me to learn agar first so thats why I went and made agar cups. Not I see BRF is not much compatible with agar.
What would be the best way to go from syringe to agar to BRF? All of my syringes to all in one grow bags failed.
Edited by Zambooki (11/03/22 04:56 PM)
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: So Anyway]
#28031472 - 11/03/22 04:48 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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So Anyway said: Make filtered lids (or run unmodified lids) without the verm layer and you can inoculate BRF jars with agar/colonized grains etc.
Please remove the vendor name from your post, it's against forum rules..
Fixes the nameโฆโฆ so you can run without verm layer? Whats the risks or reasons for the layer?
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: Zambooki]
#28031500 - 11/03/22 05:07 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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verm layer acts as a contaminate barrier when doing PF tek so that spores donโt get in thru the holes you use to inoculate the PF puck. if youโre not shooting a spore syringe into your cake, you can use filtered lids & donโt need the verm barrier
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: hazyhorse]
#28031511 - 11/03/22 05:14 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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hazyhorse said: verm layer acts as a contaminate barrier when doing PF tek so that spores donโt get in thru the holes you use to inoculate the PF puck. if youโre not shooting a spore syringe into your cake, you can use filtered lids & donโt need the verm barrier
Thanks for the explanation. So with BRF, you just go syringe to cake? But is that spore or a liquid culture? If liquid culture maybe I can make some culture for this tek with my agar plates.
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: Zambooki]
#28031534 - 11/03/22 05:31 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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With a quality liquid culture I'd change my recommendation to bulk.
Spores to PF Tek amd a water tub or clean LC to grains and an unmodified monotub.
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: Zambooki]
#28031538 - 11/03/22 05:35 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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you can inoculate PF cakes with spore syringes
i recommend you do that while practicing agar on the side. when you get fruits from PF TEK you can clone them on agar
the instapot will sterilize BRF, agar, and LC, and some bottle teks are also compatible. you can play with that for a while. but if you want to work with grain you need a real pressure canner
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: bakedbeings]
#28031556 - 11/03/22 05:45 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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bakedbeings said: you can inoculate PF cakes with spore syringes
i recommend you do that while practicing agar on the side. when you get fruits from PF TEK you can clone them on agar
the instapot will sterilize BRF, agar, and LC, and some bottle teks are also compatible. you can play with that for a while. but if you want to work with grain you need a real pressure canner
Good idea. Whatโs different about inoculating PF cakes vs. grain bags with spore syringes. I was told spore syringes are a no go for grain bags. Thats why i failed last time.
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: Zambooki] 1
#28031571 - 11/03/22 05:53 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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PF Tek with brf is more resistant to contamination in general so gives the mycelium a head start to ensure at lease some viable fruits.
Grains alone have little to no resistance and you will see contamination racing ahead of the mushrooms. The big problem is the next step, you have to break apart the colonized spawn to mix it with the substrate. At this point your contamination is strong amd will fight against the mycelium network ever regaining control of even a small portion of the tub, so you see little to no fruiting.
Because PF tek is done once the mycelium grows the first time it never has to be broken apart and open itself to fighting the contamination from a significantly weakened position.
This is why some people advocate too fruiting contaminated bags instead of attempting to send them to a tub.
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: Zambooki] 2
#28031587 - 11/03/22 06:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jrh3 said:
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bakedbeings said: you can inoculate PF cakes with spore syringes
i recommend you do that while practicing agar on the side. when you get fruits from PF TEK you can clone them on agar
the instapot will sterilize BRF, agar, and LC, and some bottle teks are also compatible. you can play with that for a while. but if you want to work with grain you need a real pressure canner
Good idea. Whatโs different about inoculating PF cakes vs. grain bags with spore syringes. I was told spore syringes are a no go for grain bags. Thats why i failed last time.
1: flour absorbs the water making it difficult for bacteria to spread 2: the myc is never broken up so it maintains its lead
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: bakedbeings]
#28031593 - 11/03/22 06:09 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks @bakedbeings and @cooleko , I will try this route then PK tek with BRF, spore syringe inoculation. Would you say 1cc per jar will be good? I was gonna run like 10 jars.
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: Zambooki] 1
#28031596 - 11/03/22 06:10 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jrh3 said: Thanks @bakedbeings and @cooleko , I will try this route then PK tek with BRF, spore syringe inoculation. Would you say 1cc per jar will be good? I was gonna run like 10 jars.
Half a cc per pint jar is enough
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: SirPsycho] 1
#28031611 - 11/03/22 06:15 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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SirPsycho said:
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Jrh3 said: Thanks @bakedbeings and @cooleko , I will try this route then PK tek with BRF, spore syringe inoculation. Would you say 1cc per jar will be good? I was gonna run like 10 jars.
Half a cc per pint jar is enough
Ok, thanks everyone. Back to researching PF tek so I can get it right this time, haha.
Edited by Zambooki (11/03/22 06:45 PM)
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: Zambooki]
#28031626 - 11/03/22 06:26 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jrh3 said:
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SirPsycho said:
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Jrh3 said: Thanks @bakedbeings and @cooleko , I will try this route then PK tek with BRF, spore syringe inoculation. Would you say 1cc per jar will be good? I was gonna run like 10 jars.
Half a cc per pint jar is enough
Ok, thanks everyone. Back to researching PK tek so I can get it right this time, haha.
PF tek. Might be easier to find if you use the right name
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: SirPsycho]
#28031649 - 11/03/22 06:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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SirPsycho said:
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Jrh3 said:
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SirPsycho said:
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Jrh3 said: Thanks @bakedbeings and @cooleko , I will try this route then PK tek with BRF, spore syringe inoculation. Would you say 1cc per jar will be good? I was gonna run like 10 jars.
Half a cc per pint jar is enough
Ok, thanks everyone. Back to researching PK tek so I can get it right this time, haha.
PF tek. Might be easier to find if you use the right name

Ha, yep. Typo. One more question. Just because I have tons laying around from my tarantula keeping hobby. Could I use 16oz deli containers for PF tek instead of mason jars? I see some members use PP5 lunch containers.
If so I am all set. I wouldnโt even have to pre-poke holes for inoculation being plastic lids, just push the syringe through.
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: Zambooki]
#28031657 - 11/03/22 06:49 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ha, yep. Typo. One more question. Just because I have tons laying around from my tarantula keeping hobby. Could I use 16oz deli containers for PF tek instead of mason jars? I see some members use PP5 lunch containers.
If so I am all set. I wouldnโt even have to pre-poke holes for inoculation being plastic lids, just push the syringe through.
If your containers are pp5 then yes. I use pp5 almost exclusively, even got pp5 petri dishes.
If the containers have snap on lids you do need to poke holes or they will explode/deform in the pressure cooker.
If you're using twist on lids like the ziplocs in my gallery then you just leave them a bit loose
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: SirPsycho]
#28031668 - 11/03/22 06:57 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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dont use any more than a cup of mix per jar or they will likely stall. if your containers are larger make the cakes like this
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: bakedbeings]
#28031692 - 11/03/22 07:14 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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bakedbeings said: dont use any more than a cup of mix per jar or they will likely stall. if your containers are larger make the cakes like this

I will stick with 4 oz. Or 8 oz. Wide mouth jars then, until I get my first fruit under my belt. I have a few jars laying around somewhere.
I just looked up my deli cups, they are PP5 but the lids are not so they might melt in the Instantpot.
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Re: Beginner Friendly way to go? [Re: Zambooki]
#28031727 - 11/03/22 07:48 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jrh3 said: After failing with the all in one grow bag gimmick. I been reading up a lot on the forum and asking questions and what not. I decided to everything right this time. I got my trick or treat bag from (you know) and man it was a deal of a lifetime.
I got from the deal: P cubensis pes Hawaiian P cubensis pf red spore P cubensis pf classic P cubensis GT Panaeolus bisporus Panaeolus (copelandia) cambodginiensis sandose domesticate Thailand suphanburi goliath Agrocybe aegerita
With this said, i just made agar in 2oz. deli cups to do tiger drop tek. I have not inoculated yet, letting them cool in the fridge.
What is the easiest tek to go with for a beginner? I have everything for BRF tek but donโt think you can tiger drop into the jar. This will be my first grow and want to try something easy.
Would you recommend BRF or PK or some kind of grain tek for first grow?
I would like to do monotub or shotgun but will to go easy for beginners until I learn more. I have considered grain to bulk also.
There are so many options here, I am sure there is no best way, but what do you guys recommend I start with?
Even what spores listd above should I go with?
With all due respect, after reading the OP and the whole thread, I doubt that 
I'm not sure why not one linked it yet, but I'd suggest you do some more reading, specifically starting here -> Updated PF Tek and fruit in water tub
Best of luck to you
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