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Broke Boi Tek without steaming
    #28029026 - 11/02/22 07:02 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Hi everyone,

I'm completely new to mushroom growing but I've got a spore syringe with p.tampanensis in it today. I'm from EU and my English is not so good. That's why I've posted this question in a German forum and got an answer.

The question was if I can grow magic truffles without using a high-pressure cooker.
The answer I've got was 'Yes, there's something like the broke-boy-tek where you just buy a bag of uncle ben's rice and poke the syringe through the shell into the rice.' This guy pointed out that uncle ben's rice is already almost sterile and it should work like that, too.

Now I'm kind of confused, and I really don't want to waste my spores. On the other hand I'm looking forward to harvesting my very own magic truffels soon. So I understand you can't give a full explanation on how to grow them at all.

But could you please answer this one question, if it's a waste of spores to inoculate them in a bag of rice and just to see what happens.

Thank you very much in advance

P.S. how do you store the spore syringe, if not used right away?

Edited by I_am_absolem (11/02/22 07:07 AM)

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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: I_am_absolem] * 1
    #28029027 - 11/02/22 07:04 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Yes, do not go for Uncle Ben precooked rice.

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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: I_am_absolem] * 3
    #28029037 - 11/02/22 07:11 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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almost sterile




There's no such thing. Almost sterile, means not sterile. Sterility is a binary thing, it either is or it isn't. No in-between, no partial, no almost, no spectrum


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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28029056 - 11/02/22 07:27 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I understand. Uncle Ben's rice is not sterile. I will have to invest in a Kelomat and find metal-lid jars somewhere and buy some whole-grain rye or so.

And in the meantime, if I put the syringe in the fridge, is that ok?

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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: I_am_absolem]
    #28029057 - 11/02/22 07:28 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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I_am_absolem said:
I understand. Uncle Ben's rice is not sterile. I will have to invest in a Kelomat and find metal-lid jars somewhere and buy some whole-grain rye or so.

And in the meantime, if I put the syringe in the fridge, is that ok?



Atta boy, doing it right.

Syringe can just sit out at room temp.


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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: I_am_absolem] * 1
    #28029061 - 11/02/22 07:32 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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I understand. Uncle Ben's rice is not sterile. I will have to invest in a Kelomat and find metal-lid jars somewhere and buy some whole-grain rye or so.

And in the meantime, if I put the syringe in the fridge, is that ok?




You can grow stones on rice using a pot to steam sterilize, no need to go buy a pc and rye if your goal is just stones.
Just buy some larger peanut butter or tomatoes sauce jars that you can repurpose.

I used to use gherkin jars years ago.

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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #28029065 - 11/02/22 07:34 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

I_am_absolem said:
I understand. Uncle Ben's rice is not sterile. I will have to invest in a Kelomat and find metal-lid jars somewhere and buy some whole-grain rye or so.

And in the meantime, if I put the syringe in the fridge, is that ok?




You can grow stones on rice using a pot to steam sterilize, no need to go buy a pc and rye if your goal is just stones.



He's right πŸ‘†

But buy the pc, get some agar, it's fun.


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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: SirPsycho]
    #28030976 - 11/03/22 10:52 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you very much for your answers.

Today I will sterilize four 500ml jars (two ghee and two tomato sauce jars) and fill them 3/4 with rice that I will cook a little beforehand. Then I will try to sterilize the four jars by steaming them on some jar lids in a mason jar for 90 min. I will go step-by-step like in PhillyGoldenTeacher's YTvid.

I didn't find uncooked rice but parboiled. That means partially boiled. I'll probably save some of the 10ml spores that I have if it doesn't work out the way I want. Wish me luck :-)

PS How long does the rice need to cool down, until I can inoculate the spores? Are they sensitive to heat?

Edited by I_am_absolem (11/03/22 11:42 AM)

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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: I_am_absolem]
    #28031249 - 11/03/22 02:31 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So what I did was to dump all of the syringe into one jar. I know that Sounds freaky, but I Just wanted top be sure.

Day 1 of colonization:


I'll keep you updated!

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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: DERRAYLD] * 1
    #28031258 - 11/03/22 02:38 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Gherkin jars and coffee jars are my go to. I've not once bought a Mason jar for cultivation.


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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: I_am_absolem]
    #28031259 - 11/03/22 02:39 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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So what I did was to dump all of the syringe into one jar. I know that Sounds freaky, but I Just wanted top be sure.

Day 1 of colonization:


I'll keep you updated!




That was a really bad idea, expect contamination. You only need 1ml or less, especially without proper sterilisation.
Fingers crossed it works.


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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: I_am_absolem]
    #28031261 - 11/03/22 02:40 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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I_am_absolem said:
Thank you very much for your answers.

Today I will sterilize four 500ml jars (two ghee and two tomato sauce jars) and fill them 3/4 with rice that I will cook a little beforehand. Then I will try to sterilize the four jars by steaming them on some jar lids in a mason jar for 90 min. I will go step-by-step like in PhillyGoldenTeacher's YTvid.

I didn't find uncooked rice but parboiled. That means partially boiled. I'll probably save some of the 10ml spores that I have if it doesn't work out the way I want. Wish me luck :-)

PS How long does the rice need to cool down, until I can inoculate the spores? Are they sensitive to heat?




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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: HappinessStan]
    #28031287 - 11/03/22 02:57 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Well, that's what I did. DERRAYLD said for stones, I could use steam-sterilized rice if I don't go for the shrooms. I know it's a little bit of a waste but it's my very first attempt, you know. And I just want it to work. Dry the stones and keep them after I move into my tiny house and be sure I was there and did that. Maybe grow shrooms another day idk. But it's properly sterilized after all, I did it the way TheGoldenTeacher said on YT.

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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: I_am_absolem]
    #28031307 - 11/03/22 03:09 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

The issue with the large amount of spore solution you used isn’t just waste, spores are by nature not sterile.
There WILL be contaminants in a given amount of spore solution, so you want to use as little as possible


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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: 4-HO-Gumbo]
    #28031457 - 11/03/22 04:38 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

My first grow was Broke Boi steamed brown rice, and I inoculated using a spore solution I made from a B+ spore print that my buddy gave me. It went well, but that being said, everything the people are saying here is true about contam etc.

Your pictures don't look like you are using brown rice? That looks like white rice to me. I use brown rice semi-regularly as my grainspawn and it's hard enough to shake with the bran on, I would expect white rice to be even harder. Also, I think it's going to be really hard to see any myc growth on it.


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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: PurpleHat]
    #28031487 - 11/03/22 04:57 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I was searching for the brown kind in the supermarket shelf, but I didn't find any. The only thing I've found was the parboiled kind that is actually brown as long as it's not cooked. But after cooking it seems to be just as white as the cooked kind. Also I've got several contaminantion sources starting from using a whole spore vial to sterilizing the jar by steaming without a pc. It's a mess, and I won't be able to order another syringe and start from a new because I will have to move on 9.1.23 and I just can't take living mycelium along.

I just hope it will yield some stones anyways and I also have a little hope that it might be fruiting at some point under the lid so I have some fruit bodies, too. What do you say, is that possible??

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Re: Broke Boi Tek without steaming [Re: I_am_absolem]
    #28031993 - 11/03/22 11:31 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

White rice is fine, you don't really shake it but allow it to colonize as a cake like pf and then grate for bulk or fruit as a cake.

Brown rice isn't essential in anyway.
Many ways to grow mushrooms, we just need to learn to be accepting of alternatives.

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