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Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! * 6
    #28027798 - 11/01/22 12:59 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Leaked Documents Outline DHS’s Plans to Police Disinformation

So far, the mainstream news appears to be avoiding this topic, though I suspect that will soon change.

Lots of good articles from non-mainstream sources.  Fox hasn't even posted Tucker Carlson's segment on this (but that's in the Steve Turley video below)

Breitbart
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Report: Twitter and Facebook Had Regular Meetings with DHS on Censoring Americans



Lots of other sources are starting to pick up this story


For those who proclaimed "we like censorship by private corporations because it shows we have free speech!", this looks like censorship is being done by the Government.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #28027802 - 11/01/22 01:04 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

So much for Trump being a champion of free speech, lol

But that video you posted....lol...dude...you watch some real crazy shit.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil]
    #28027833 - 11/01/22 01:34 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Who's have thunk that Trump strengthening CISA and having it target opponents in the name of national security could ever be used for nefarious purposes!

Outrageous! Unbelievable! UnPATRIOTic ACTing!


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28027834 - 11/01/22 01:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I thought that dude was gonna sell me something for $19.99.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28027852 - 11/01/22 01:53 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Falcon prefers when the government shuts down Facebook and Twitter


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #28027899 - 11/01/22 02:28 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
For those who proclaimed "we like censorship by private corporations because it shows we have free speech!", this looks like censorship is being done by the Government.



You still don't seem to understand the right to free expression if you think this implies a contradiction. The state forcing private entities to either publish or censor speech is a violation of free expression both ways.

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On the other hand, I'm not sure why you're seemingly so bothered by this, as it's exactly the type of censorship you've claimed to want. From the first article you linked:
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[...]designed to police misinformation (false information spread unintentionally), disinformation (false information spread intentionally), and malinformation (factual information shared, typically out of context, with harmful intent) that allegedly threatens U.S. interests.





And this is an example of you explaining your position on state censorship:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
[...]I'm not against differing opinions, but I'm against intentionally fake news.

How do you determine if something is "intentionally fake"?  The same way you determine if someone committed any other crime - through the court system.






So what exactly is your issue with the US state censoring intentionally fake news?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28027911 - 11/01/22 02:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I wrote a response but I back pedaled and deleted it. I just can't. This core thesis of this thread is just so out of touch.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
    #28028046 - 11/01/22 03:52 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The primary concern is that the censorship might apply to people Falcon would prefer not be censored, instead of the people that Falcon would prefer be censored.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
    #28028057 - 11/01/22 03:57 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

If somebody painted a bunch of graffiti on his home do we think he would look at it and espouse that it is an act of free speech?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil] * 1
    #28028101 - 11/01/22 04:23 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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So much for Trump being a champion of free speech, lol



What does that mean?  Can you explain?

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Enlil said:
But that video you posted....lol...dude...you watch some real crazy shit.




So Steve Turley's a big fat poo poo head ('crazy shit') is all you got?  That's about as much insight as I've come to expect from you lately.

For those interested, here is some of the 'crazy shit' Steve Turley discussed:

1)  Twitter's CEO said "Our role is NOT to be bound by the First Amendment, but our role is to serve a healthy public conversation..."  "The kinds of things that we do about this is, focus less on thinking about free speech, but thinking about how the times have changed."

2)  The Board of Twitter was fired because Elon Musk said he had just cause.  They deliberately hid evidence (regarding the number of spam bots) from the court and provided fraudulent metrics

And MOST IMPORTANTLY:

3)  Twitter and Facebook had regular meetings with DHS on deliberately censoring information regarding things like the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines, racial justice, U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, U.S. support to Ukraine, and Hunter Biden’s laptop.

Now, if anyone doesn't have a problem with this, then please feel free to discuss, but "crazy shit" really isn't a thoughtful response.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
    #28028113 - 11/01/22 04:27 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Who's have thunk that Trump strengthening CISA and having it target opponents in the name of national security could ever be used for nefarious purposes!



Can you elaborate?  I'm not sure how strengthening CISA to protect against cybersecurity threats is related to the government working with private industry to censor speech.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28028116 - 11/01/22 04:29 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Falcon prefers when the government shuts down Facebook and Twitter



:lolwut:
Can you explain?  Or is this more make believe from you?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028134 - 11/01/22 04:37 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Twitter's CEO said "Our role is NOT to be bound by the First Amendment, but our role is to serve a healthy public conversation..




Sounds about right. Twitter is PROTECTED by the first amendment. You don’t seem to understand that.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
    #28028136 - 11/01/22 04:38 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
For those who proclaimed "we like censorship by private corporations because it shows we have free speech!", this looks like censorship is being done by the Government.



You still don't seem to understand the right to free expression if you think this implies a contradiction. The state forcing private entities to either publish or censor speech is a violation of free expression both ways.



I get it.  But like others here, I disagree that censorship is a good thing, especially when it's compelled by the government as with the case above.

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On the other hand, I'm not sure why you're seemingly so bothered by this, as it's exactly the type of censorship you've claimed to want. From the first article you linked:
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[...]designed to police misinformation (false information spread unintentionally), disinformation (false information spread intentionally), and malinformation (factual information shared, typically out of context, with harmful intent) that allegedly threatens U.S. interests.






I wouldn't mind if intentionally fake news was censored.  But the news in question getting censored is truthful.

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And this is an example of you explaining your position on state censorship:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
[...]I'm not against differing opinions, but I'm against intentionally fake news.

How do you determine if something is "intentionally fake"?  The same way you determine if someone committed any other crime - through the court system.






It's a high bar.  If I say we should suppress stories about the Hunter Biden laptop being real, then I am CLEARLY censoring news that is not intentionally fake.  If there's any question, you don't censor it.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028138 - 11/01/22 04:38 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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koods said:
Falcon prefers when the government shuts down Facebook and Twitter



:lolwut:
Can you explain?  Or is this more make believe from you?




You know exactly what I’m talking about.

Shiva has already explained in case you’re really as dumb as you’re pretending to be


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos] * 1
    #28028139 - 11/01/22 04:39 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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The primary concern is that the censorship might apply to people Falcon would prefer not be censored, instead of the people that Falcon would prefer be censored.



I'm not arguing for censorship, others are.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028141 - 11/01/22 04:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Kryptos said:
Who's have thunk that Trump strengthening CISA and having it target opponents in the name of national security could ever be used for nefarious purposes!



Can you elaborate?  I'm not sure how strengthening CISA to protect against cybersecurity threats is related to the government working with private industry to censor speech.




Simple. The department that Trump started, CISA, morphed into your sudden concern over free speech. Turns out that misinformation is a cybersecurity threat!

Oopsies.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera] * 1
    #28028142 - 11/01/22 04:40 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I wrote a response but I back pedaled and deleted it. I just can't. This core thesis of this thread is just so out of touch.



Go ahead and post it.  I think you deleted it because you know it'd get ripped to shreds.  :popcorn:


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028149 - 11/01/22 04:42 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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[...]I'm not against differing opinions, but I'm against intentionally fake news.

How do you determine if something is "intentionally fake"?  The same way you determine if someone committed any other crime - through the court system.



It's a high bar.  If I say we should suppress stories about the Hunter Biden laptop being real, then I am CLEARLY censoring news that is not intentionally fake.  If there's any question, you don't censor it.




If there was no question, it wouldn't be in court. Courts are designed to sort out questions. That's their whole job.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028151 - 11/01/22 04:43 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

I painted graffiti on your home. It’s an act of free speech.


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