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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28161560 - 01/28/23 03:52 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Pretty sure the head of Twitter Trust and Safety was aware of APT-28 long before August 2020. They are the group responsible for hacking the DNC.

Nice try


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28161566 - 01/28/23 03:59 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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How did I imply that it was a wild coincidence?  There is a 0 percent chance you can back up that assertion.



Another dodge of my question, as I predicted.  But I won't dodge your question; I'll explain.  I asked:
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Do you think the exercise was a wild coincidence, or do you think it was it done to help sell the upcoming story as "dirty tricks by Vladimir Putin", as was done in the exercise?  If there's another option I missed, you can explain that as well.

But I expect another excuse not to answer my question.  It's what you do.

Answering my question will also answer your own question of me.




I gave you three options here.

Option 1:  You think the exercise was a wild coincidence.  You rejected that here.
Option 2:  The exercise was done to help sell the upcoming story as "dirty tricks by Vladimir Putin", as was done in the exercise.  You rejected that here.
Option 3:  Something else.  You haven't answered that yet.

Every time I ask you a question, you run like hell, and you've just done it again here.

Now will you choose why you think the government conducted The Burisma Leak answer above, or will you make another excuse not to answer?  If you can't come up with an answer, that means one of the first two options is correct, but you rejected both of those options.

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Also, nice "poo poo head" insult (pre-school posters).  Sorry if you cannot keep your stories straight, and then get all :butthurt: when I call you out with logic and facts and very often, simple definitions of words.



I've got my stories straight.  Calling me a poo poo head doesn't make me wrong about anything. 

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You're so poor at making arguments, I never am even forced to engage with the substance because your arguments conclusions do not follow from the premises in such a manner that if the premises are true the conclusions MUST be true.  You routinely make simple logic errors, such as the question you presented me about "wild coincidence, or do you think it was it done to help sell the upcoming story".  Those options are a false dichotomy you created to attempt to control and limit the answers to ones you have a response for, except those choices are far from the only possible answers I may have to the question. As I said, I believe neither of those answers to be true.



It wasn't a false dichotomy, as there was a 3rd option, which was to provide your own explanation, which you haven't done yet, and probably won't do based on your past history of crying like a baby every time I ask you a question.




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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
    #28161574 - 01/28/23 04:04 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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More government collusion with Twitter. I can't wait to see the Twitter File on this one.

The level of hypocricy is insane. He's going to meet Musk to make sure Twitter is living up to Republican political interests after accusing Democrats of doing just that.



And what are Republican political interests?  FREE SPEECH for both sides
And what are Democratic political interests?  CENSORSHIP of some Republican talking points

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...for the second part of the "McCarthy excecise" he'll meet Musk in person and tell him which additional people he wants censored.



Source, or make believe?  I didn't see that in your article.

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As seen in this recent leak the process of silencing liberal voices has already begun but who is coercing Twitter into doing it? I think the answer to that question is now clear.



That was back in November shortly after Musk took over when a lot of accounts were suspended.  Since then, tens of thousands of accounts have been restored.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28161578 - 01/28/23 04:07 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Pretty sure the head of Twitter Trust and Safety was aware of APT-28 long before August 2020. They are the group responsible for hacking the DNC.

Nice try



That's a guess on your part.  Regardless, the FBI made sure he knew right before the laptop story.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 3
    #28161686 - 01/28/23 05:14 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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And what are Republican political interests?  FREE SPEECH for both sides




Nobody here is dumb enough to believe that.

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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #28161767 - 01/28/23 06:16 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Seriously cringe


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28161776 - 01/28/23 06:24 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

:bathtub40lol:

Guy still can't quote me saying it was a coincidence or whatever he thinks I said.  Why?  Because I never said anything of the sort. 

@falcon  keep twisting your words into a pretzel while I laugh at how much time you have spent crafting replies to me that make you look like a complete :sped:

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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28161821 - 01/28/23 06:49 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Pretty sure the head of Twitter Trust and Safety was aware of APT-28 long before August 2020. They are the group responsible for hacking the DNC.

Nice try



That's a guess on your part.  Regardless, the FBI made sure he knew right before the laptop story.




Knew what? The premier Russian hacking organization has been on social media radar since 2016. You’re making shit up.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
    #28162334 - 01/29/23 03:05 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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:bathtub40lol:

Guy still can't quote me saying it was a coincidence or whatever he thinks I said.  Why?  Because I never said anything of the sort. 

@falcon  keep twisting your words into a pretzel while I laugh at how much time you have spent crafting replies to me that make you look like a complete :sped:

:canthelpbutlaugh:



STILL can't answer my question?  I even listed the 3 options.

It's very clear why you're not answering.  There is no option 3, and you know it.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28162338 - 01/29/23 03:12 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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Pretty sure the head of Twitter Trust and Safety was aware of APT-28 long before August 2020. They are the group responsible for hacking the DNC.



That's a guess on your part.  Regardless, the FBI made sure he knew right before the laptop story.



Knew what? The premier Russian hacking organization has been on social media radar since 2016. You’re making shit up.



Source, or make believe that social media cared about APT-28 before the government told them to care?

Regardless, the laptop story wasn't an APT-28 story, and the government knew it as they had the laptop.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28162566 - 01/29/23 09:26 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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And what are Republican political interests?  FREE SPEECH for both sides
And what are Democratic political interests?  CENSORSHIP of some Republican talking points



Making sure Twitter provides a platform for their rhetoric. I don't really have a problem with that, my point is the same people criticizing the government for involving itself in Twitter's policy's are now doing the same and it doesn't stop there. They're now going grill DirecTV because it refused to pay Newsmax more money at a time when they're having to cut jobs just to make ends meet. https://floridapolitics.com/archives/583818-rick-scott-calls-for-senate-hearings-after-directv-drops-newsmax/

We can only speculate about why Musk decided to silence liberal voices since there's zero transparency behind his decisions. I do suspect we'll be seeing it happen alot more during the election.

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Source, or make believe that social media cared about APT-28 before the government told them to care?



What do you think Roth was talking about when he mentioned the Russian hack campaign during the 2016 election just before he said the Biden laptop reminded him of it? That was APT28. Not to mention you can find plenty news articles about APT28 involving Twitter before 2020. Here's one.

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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28162677 - 01/29/23 10:45 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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koods said:
Pretty sure the head of Twitter Trust and Safety was aware of APT-28 long before August 2020. They are the group responsible for hacking the DNC.



That's a guess on your part.  Regardless, the FBI made sure he knew right before the laptop story.



Knew what? The premier Russian hacking organization has been on social media radar since 2016. You’re making shit up.



Source, or make believe that social media cared about APT-28 before the government told them to care?

Regardless, the laptop story wasn't an APT-28 story, and the government knew it as they had the laptop.




If the government thought the laptop was hacked, they would have discussed it with Twitter. Roth said that he asked the government about the laptop and they refused to give him any information.

Don’t you think it’s time to stop lying about this topic and admit that you were wrong about the laptop story?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kwyjibo]
    #28162884 - 01/29/23 01:16 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

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And what are Republican political interests?  FREE SPEECH for both sides




Nobody here is dumb enough to believe that.




We literally just went through this cycle of fal defending someone’s bad faith claims of defending free speech, in the face of all available evidence, with regards to Musk and Twitter.

And here we go again. Like…they’re fucking lying to you bro lmao.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28163027 - 01/29/23 02:41 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

What have they done that would make anyone think they care about free speech? Lets see... they want to repeal section 230. They want it to be illegal to share information about getting an abortion. They want to ban flag burning. They want to fine people for using the wrong pronoun. And how many times have we seen Republican politicians allow the display of the 10 commandments on public property only to ban all displays as soon they realize they'd also have to allow other religions to display things? Yeah Republicans are real defenders of free speech :facepalm:


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
    #28163102 - 01/29/23 03:35 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Repealing 230 is the most anti free speech move you could make. It would literally mean that a social media company is responsible for the content posted on its site, and would mean very heavy handed content moderation


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods] * 1
    #28163139 - 01/29/23 03:56 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

And the end of many sites, including this one.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil]
    #28163584 - 01/29/23 10:13 PM (1 year, 3 months ago)

Ya know, I thought about that back when I asked you about the TX law meaning I could not be moderated...but how do you enforce that on foreign servers? Pirate Bay runs fine on servers in the EU, and I'm pretty sure this site isn't based in the US. You'd either need to build a Chinese-style firewall, which I think is not outside the realm of possibility, or you'd need a way to cross borders.

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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
    #28164182 - 01/30/23 11:03 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

I don't see the relevance of the location of the servers.  Servers aren't subject to laws.  People are.  The people that own and run this site are U.S. based and subject to U.S. law.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil]
    #28164219 - 01/30/23 11:21 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

What if a completely foreign forum with the owners/ operators having no citizenship in the USA or based in anyway in the USA .....other than having USA citizens access it and post on it?

Since the forum operates within the USA (when users post on it), would the appropriate US law be applicable just to the posters and/or also to the owners of the forum? Does it ever depend on content?

I am assuming distrubution of child porn to the US would put any foreign website up for criminal proceedings.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28164223 - 01/30/23 11:25 AM (1 year, 3 months ago)

If a Mexican citizen shoots across the border into El Paso and kills someone, the Mexican citizen is subject to prosecution under U.S. law.  Whether or not the U.S. can actually get that mexican citizen is a whole other issue, but nonetheless, the Mexican citizen broke U.S. law.

Your hypothetical works the same way.  A packet of data is no different from a bullet as far as jurisdiction is concerned.


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