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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
#28156033 - 01/24/23 06:33 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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There will always be an infinite amount of information, and plenty of such to confirm one's belief. I was speaking in reference to colleagues or fellow posters/debaters, which are in short supply.
Lets face it, people rarely discuss things and moreover dont have evidence to back said claims. I have learned more from debates with real people around here over the years than any URL....but it does require intellectual honesty, though.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28156359 - 01/24/23 10:54 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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It doesn't fall apart, because Yoel Roth himself explained why he censored the Hunter laptop story.
You can say it was a wild coincidence that such an exercise was conducted right before the story was published, and I guess I'll just have to disagree about that, because of the tremendous amount of government involvement that the Twitter Files uncovered.
His explanation is he decided there wasn't enough information and they censored it anyways despite his judgment. Did you hear what Roth said right after he said, "it set off alarm bells?" https://rumble.com/v1y5cxu-shifts-blame-when-admitting-to-mistake-of-supressing-hunter-biden-laptop-st.html
https://www.out.com/news/2022/12/14/gay-ex-twitter-exec-hiding-after-online-attacks-elon-musk
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At the time, Twitter came to Roth’s defense and said, “No one person at Twitter is responsible for our policies or enforcement actions, and it’s unfortunate to see individual employees targeted for company decisions.”
It seems whatever influence the FBI's generic warning, that it probably made at the end of every one of its cybersecurity meetings, had was irrelevant.
Anyways, this is like blaming the FBI for someone getting wrongly arrested for drinking and driving because before New Year's Eve it warned that there could be people drinking and driving. It's silly.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
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Please quote where I said this. You are making this up and lying about what I said.
So if you don't think the exercise was a wild coincidence, do you think it was it done to help sell the upcoming story as "dirty tricks by Vladimir Putin", as was done in the exercise?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos] 1
#28156483 - 01/25/23 03:50 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: How have we established he has no credibility? There is even a receipt.
Even PolitiFact acknowledges the FBI has the laptop.
That's the first time you've presented actual evidence of the existence of the laptop. Of course, the receipt is barely legible, but the serial numbers at least seem to match up.
Glad to see you accept evidence, unlike many here.
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Case in point. I just provided a copy of the FBI receipt for:
1. Western Digital My Passport for Mac 2. Apple MacBook Pro laptop computer 3. Customer Invoice
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28156484 - 01/25/23 04:00 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: It doesn't fall apart, because Yoel Roth himself explained why he censored the Hunter laptop story.
You can say it was a wild coincidence that such an exercise was conducted right before the story was published, and I guess I'll just have to disagree about that, because of the tremendous amount of government involvement that the Twitter Files uncovered.
His explanation is he decided there wasn't enough information and they censored it anyways despite his judgment. Did you hear what Roth said right after he said, "it set off alarm bells?" https://rumble.com/v1y5cxu-shifts-blame-when-admitting-to-mistake-of-supressing-hunter-biden-laptop-st.html
Yes. He said "It set every one of my finely tuned APT-28 hack and leak campaign alarm bells". Where do you think he got his "finely tuned APT-28 hack and leak campaign alarm bells" from???
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At the time, Twitter came to Roth’s defense and said, “No one person at Twitter is responsible for our policies or enforcement actions, and it’s unfortunate to see individual employees targeted for company decisions.”
It seems whatever influence the FBI's generic warning, that it probably made at the end of every one of its cybersecurity meetings, had was irrelevant.
As Head of Trust & Safety at Twitter, you don't think he mentioned the APT-28 hack and leak campaign to his coworkers?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28156565 - 01/25/23 06:36 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You can say it was a wild coincidence that such an exercise was conducted right before the story was published, and I guess I'll just have to disagree about that, because of the tremendous amount of government involvement that the Twitter Files uncovered.
Please quote where I said this. You are making this up and lying about what I said.
So if you don't think the exercise was a wild coincidence, do you think it was it done to help sell the upcoming story as "dirty tricks by Vladimir Putin", as was done in the exercise?
Stop misdirecting and quote where I said "it was a wild coincidence that such an exercise was conducted right before the story was published".
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
#28156633 - 01/25/23 08:25 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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As Head of Trust & Safety at Twitter, you don't think he mentioned the APT-28 hack and leak campaign to his coworkers?
It's irrelevant. He explained his thinking process and it's what a rational person would have thought in that situation with our without an FBI warning. Someone was posting Hunter's personal emails and it seemed very unlikely Hunter gave them permission to do so. I would have thought they were stolen or hacked too. There was no evidence to prove otherwise so they made the decision to try to protect his privacy.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28156733 - 01/25/23 09:39 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I am all misty about Hunter.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28156768 - 01/25/23 10:09 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: There will always be an infinite amount of information, and plenty of such to confirm one's belief. I was speaking in reference to colleagues or fellow posters/debaters, which are in short supply.
Lets face it, people rarely discuss things and moreover dont have evidence to back said claims. I have learned more from debates with real people around here over the years than any URL....but it does require intellectual honesty, though.
I think you underestimate the power of parasocial relationships. Especially as we watch the social fabric of the country decay and become monetized. Having actual friends past childhood is becoming an indicator of wealth.
I would not be surprised if there is a significant population that truly considers Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity or Ben Shabongbong as their friends, confidants, and colleagues.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos] 1
#28157014 - 01/25/23 01:17 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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I think having "freinds" is more to do with screen time and social media....the word itself has changed. Not trying to be a semi boomer but I have noticed that interpersonal communication skills, like in a real social environments , have been thrown by the wayside. I talk to some people and it's like deer in the headlights.
I wouldn't consider someone my "freind" by a mere "like" or "follow" denoted on a screen, yet I think some younger folk would definitely consider it as such.
A really good read is the book Bowling Alone. It touches on this prior social media craze, and it is scary accurate. The basic premise being that civic life is collapsing/ decaying that Americans aren't joining, as they did before, the groups/organizations/clubs that promote trust and cooperation.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
#28157329 - 01/25/23 05:09 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You can say it was a wild coincidence that such an exercise was conducted right before the story was published, and I guess I'll just have to disagree about that, because of the tremendous amount of government involvement that the Twitter Files uncovered.
Please quote where I said this. You are making this up and lying about what I said.
So if you don't think the exercise was a wild coincidence, do you think it was it done to help sell the upcoming story as "dirty tricks by Vladimir Putin", as was done in the exercise?
Stop misdirecting and quote where I said "it was a wild coincidence that such an exercise was conducted right before the story was published".

You're the one that's misdirecting. Do you think the exercise was a wild coincidence, or do you think it was it done to help sell the upcoming story as "dirty tricks by Vladimir Putin", as was done in the exercise? If there's another option I missed, you can explain that as well.
But I expect another excuse not to answer my question. It's what you do.
Answering my question will also answer your own question of me.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28157337 - 01/25/23 05:15 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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As Head of Trust & Safety at Twitter, you don't think he mentioned the APT-28 hack and leak campaign to his coworkers?
It's irrelevant. He explained his thinking process and it's what a rational person would have thought in that situation with our without an FBI warning.
Yes, he did explain his thinking process:
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In other words, he wouldn't have removed it if not for government intervention.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28157373 - 01/25/23 05:41 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You're the one that's misdirecting. Do you think the exercise was a wild coincidence, or do you think it was it done to help sell the upcoming story as "dirty tricks by Vladimir Putin", as was done in the exercise? If there's another option I missed, you can explain that as well.
But I expect another excuse not to answer my question. It's what you do.
Answering my question will also answer your own question of me.
Ah yes. I'm misdirecting because you claimed I said something I never did and won't admit that you're putting words in my mouth.
As for your question, I reject the false dichotomy you present. The answer is, to wit, NEITHER.
Now please quote me where I said what you claim I said, or kindly fuck off and stop putting words in my mouth.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
#28157393 - 01/25/23 05:59 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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But I expect another excuse not to answer my question. It's what you do.
Answering my question will also answer your own question of me.
Ah yes. I'm misdirecting because you claimed I said something I never did and won't admit that you're putting words in my mouth.
As for your question, I reject the false dichotomy you present. The answer is, to wit, NEITHER.
Now please quote me where I said what you claim I said, or kindly fuck off and stop putting words in my mouth.

You didn't. You implied it.
Like if you said "all Russian citizens should be killed" and I asked "why do hate Russian citizens so much?", and you answered "when did I say I hated Russian citizens?" :tard:
You're one of the most pre-school posters here, and I'll call you out every time for constantly making excuses for not answering any of my questions.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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How did I imply that it was a wild coincidence? There is a 0 percent chance you can back up that assertion.
Also, nice "poo poo head" insult (pre-school posters). Sorry if you cannot keep your stories straight, and then get all when I call you out with logic and facts and very often, simple definitions of words.
You're so poor at making arguments, I never am even forced to engage with the substance because your arguments conclusions do not follow from the premises in such a manner that if the premises are true the conclusions MUST be true. You routinely make simple logic errors, such as the question you presented me about "wild coincidence, or do you think it was it done to help sell the upcoming story". Those options are a false dichotomy you created to attempt to control and limit the answers to ones you have a response for, except those choices are far from the only possible answers I may have to the question. As I said, I believe neither of those answers to be true.
You then said that if I answer with one of your pre-planned answers I would be "Answering my question will also answer your own question of me." Except, since I think neither of the two possibilities is true, it clearly doesn't answer my question to you.
So, quote where I 'implied" what you think, or again, apologize for wasting everyone's time and kindly make a cogent post back on topic. (An Augean task for you, to be sure)
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
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Yoel Roth said: Ultimately for me, it didn't reach a place where I was comfortable removing this from Twitter, but it set every one of my finely tuned APT-28 hack and leak campaign alarm bells.
In other words, he wouldn't have removed it if not for government intervention.
I'm not following your reasoning here. He specifically refers to his own experience during the 2016 election as the source of his skepticism. He doesn't say anything about the FBI playing a role.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28158866 - 01/26/23 06:50 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: I think having "freinds" is more to do with screen time and social media....the word itself has changed. Not trying to be a semi boomer but I have noticed that interpersonal communication skills, like in a real social environments , have been thrown by the wayside. I talk to some people and it's like deer in the headlights.
I wouldn't consider someone my "freind" by a mere "like" or "follow" denoted on a screen, yet I think some younger folk would definitely consider it as such.
A really good read is the book Bowling Alone. It touches on this prior social media craze, and it is scary accurate. The basic premise being that civic life is collapsing/ decaying that Americans aren't joining, as they did before, the groups/organizations/clubs that promote trust and cooperation.
Yeah, I was kinda hinting at that book. While I agree with the book, mostly, I think there is a political and financial aspect to this as well. While I do not think anyone would consider a single like/follow evidence of friendship past the age of 16, stuff like patreon, onlyfans, and I'd even argue on a broader level netflix becomes an emotional replacement. onlyfans is probably the clearest example--you don't pay for the porn, you pay for the...however much attention you just bought. Same thing with patreon callouts at the end of youtube videos. Any TV show is designed to mimic company. It's like Fahrenheit 451--you bought more screens so that you could participate in a larger conversation, which you also bought. It replaces and monetizes social contact. Hell, AI is doing it too. All those chatbots that they're making for people. It creates false relationships for money. Although, considering I do think AI is likely already sentient on a level that is alien enough that we do not comprehend it, social interaction with AI will likely become meaningful. Good or bad is a different question. But definitely meaningful. Heck, we already do communicate with AI through the algorithm. We've been doing that for a while. Every website is a twisting labyrinth of choices provided by The Algorithm, and your clicks are your responses. It's like how you offer a cat a choice between tuna and salmon, and then figure out which one it likes more in a week or two. Or have a monkey decide between a banana and cocaine. Rats in a cage with other rats hang out with the other rats. Rats isolated with nothing to do pay their coke dealer as fast as their little paws can push the button.
Then you can exploit that same impulse for political ends. Sports definitely does, that's usually the only major and regularly recurring event. Political rallies are social events, and when there are few other events, well...might as well go there.
Similarly, content creators have an easier time drawing an audience, since there is nothing else to do. Tucker Carlson is currently the most successful one in the country. And there will be a new show every...whenever often for the foreseeable future, unlike a TV show.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
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More government collusion with Twitter. I can't wait to see the Twitter File on this one.
The level of hypocricy is insane. He's going to meet Musk to make sure Twitter is living up to Republican political interests after accusing Democrats of doing just that.
I'm going to think like Falc now. First McCarthy recently created the committee for the weaponization of the government. It's purpose is to threaten organizations with subpoenas and a public grilling if they don't meet Rupiblican demands. Now for the second part of the "McCarthy excecise" he'll meet Musk in person and tell him which additional people he wants censored. As seen in this recent leak the process of silencing liberal voices has already begun but who is coercing Twitter into doing it? I think the answer to that question is now clear.
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Ice9 said: How did I imply that it was a wild coincidence? There is a 0 percent chance you can back up that assertion.
Another dodge of my question, as I predicted. But I won't dodge your question; I'll explain. I asked:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Do you think the exercise was a wild coincidence, or do you think it was it done to help sell the upcoming story as "dirty tricks by Vladimir Putin", as was done in the exercise? If there's another option I missed, you can explain that as well.
But I expect another excuse not to answer my question. It's what you do.
Answering my question will also answer your own question of me.
I gave you three options here.
Option 1: You think the exercise was a wild coincidence. You rejected that here. Option 2: The exercise was done to help sell the upcoming story as "dirty tricks by Vladimir Putin", as was done in the exercise. You rejected that here. Option 3: Something else. You haven't answered that yet.
Every time I ask you a question, you run like hell, and you've just done it again here.
Now will you choose why you think the government conducted The Burisma Leak answer above, or will you make another excuse not to answer? If you can't come up with an answer, that means one of the first two options is correct, but you rejected both of those options.
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Ice9 said: Also, nice "poo poo head" insult (pre-school posters). Sorry if you cannot keep your stories straight, and then get all when I call you out with logic and facts and very often, simple definitions of words.
I've got my stories straight. Calling me a poo poo head doesn't make me wrong about anything.
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Ice9 said: You're so poor at making arguments, I never am even forced to engage with the substance because your arguments conclusions do not follow from the premises in such a manner that if the premises are true the conclusions MUST be true. You routinely make simple logic errors, such as the question you presented me about "wild coincidence, or do you think it was it done to help sell the upcoming story". Those options are a false dichotomy you created to attempt to control and limit the answers to ones you have a response for, except those choices are far from the only possible answers I may have to the question. As I said, I believe neither of those answers to be true.
It wasn't a false dichotomy, as there was a 3rd option, which was to provide your own explanation, which you haven't done yet, and probably won't do based on your past history of crying like a baby every time I ask you a question.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28161554 - 01/28/23 03:47 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Yoel Roth said: Ultimately for me, it didn't reach a place where I was comfortable removing this from Twitter, but it set every one of my finely tuned APT-28 hack and leak campaign alarm bells.
In other words, he wouldn't have removed it if not for government intervention.
I'm not following your reasoning here. He specifically refers to his own experience during the 2016 election as the source of his skepticism. He doesn't say anything about the FBI playing a role.
He specifically refers to APT-28, which the FBI informed him about in their secure communications channel.
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