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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28153047 - 01/22/23 11:42 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: So somehow, perhaps with the help of Trump's magical clairvoyance, the FBI knew about this laptop and everything on it before it was made public and the FBI warned Twitter of the potential for Russian hacks when there was no potential for Russian hacks? Is that what you're claiming?
The laptop was turned in to the FBI in November 2019. That's how they knew about it, not "Trump's magical clairvoyance".
And yes, the FBI warned Twitter of the potential for Russian hacks even though they were in possession of the laptop and knew it was real.
So why didn't they warn Twitter about the NYPost article in 2019 if that's what this warning was all about?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
#28153209 - 01/23/23 05:32 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Actually, I did read it and I even quoted from it (I'd love to have a discussion on that).
As for your statement about there being no evidence of government involvement in the laptop story, I pointed out "The Burisma Leak" exercise, which came in a later installment of the Twitter files.
NOT MY STATEMENT. PLEASE LEARN TO READ.
He knows how to read, he's just trying to twist what you say and misquote you to fit his narrative.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28153456 - 01/23/23 09:13 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Hmm...why would someone who strongly dislikes a political candidate, and is proactive enough to reach out to several members of congress and ramblin' Rudy, make up negative information about that candidate...Man, that's a real stumper. Couldn't think of a single reason.
I'm not saying he wouldn't make up information. But how is that saying the FBI took the laptop "negative information" about Biden?
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Kryptos said: And no, I do not have evidence that laptop wasn't taken by the FBI. You are, once again, on the wrong side of the teapot.
You don't seem to understand the teapot analogy. It explains that Burden of proof always falls on the party making a claim.
I claimed the FBI picked up the computer in December 2019, and I gave the statement of laptop repairman (which you don't believe) and there is also the subpoena for the laptop and hard drive.
You simply rejected the evidence because you don't like it.
That seems to be the story of all my posts lately.
Oh, a subpoena. Sounds like the FBI would also like some evidence that this laptop exists.
Your claims come with unbelievable evidence. So yes, I reject your evidence. I also reject your claims as unbelievable, without evidence.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
#28153523 - 01/23/23 10:02 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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They finally got one of the corrupt FBI leaders that was influencing the Russia Russia Russia sham investigation. Money laundering for sanctioned Russian oligarch and taking payments from a former employee of a foreign intel service while employees at the FBI. Head of Counterintelligence for New York FBI office from 2016 to 2018. Seems like a big deal.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28153659 - 01/23/23 11:28 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: So why didn't they warn Twitter about the NYPost article in 2019 if that's what this warning was all about?
Because the FBI learned Giuliani gave the laptop info to the NY Post in 2020. We now know the government has people watching over all the major news and social media outlets.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#28153668 - 01/23/23 11:33 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Actually, I did read it and I even quoted from it (I'd love to have a discussion on that).
As for your statement about there being no evidence of government involvement in the laptop story, I pointed out "The Burisma Leak" exercise, which came in a later installment of the Twitter files.
NOT MY STATEMENT. PLEASE LEARN TO READ.
He knows how to read, he's just trying to twist what you say and misquote you to fit his narrative.
Ice posted a Twitter link that said "there's no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story".
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28153674 - 01/23/23 11:39 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Oh, a subpoena. Sounds like the FBI would also like some evidence that this laptop exists.
Your claims come with unbelievable evidence. So yes, I reject your evidence. I also reject your claims as unbelievable, without evidence.
The FBI made a copy of the laptop in November 2019, and came back to take the laptop in December 2019.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28153768 - 01/23/23 12:28 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Actually, I did read it and I even quoted from it (I'd love to have a discussion on that).
As for your statement about there being no evidence of government involvement in the laptop story, I pointed out "The Burisma Leak" exercise, which came in a later installment of the Twitter files.
NOT MY STATEMENT. PLEASE LEARN TO READ.
He knows how to read, he's just trying to twist what you say and misquote you to fit his narrative.
Ice posted a Twitter link that said "there's no evidence - that I've seen - of any government involvement in the laptop story".
I posted the same Twitter thread you have, you know the so called "Twitter files". Again, characterizing it as my statement is a gross misrepresentation of reality. It is the same and only source you have been harping on for months now. Either you think author of the Twitter files is credible, in which case "no evidence of government involvement in laptop story" or you think Matt Taibi is not credible, in which case your whole arguments fall apart.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
#28154036 - 01/23/23 03:08 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Ice9 said: Again, characterizing it as my statement is a gross misrepresentation of reality.
I changed it from "your statement" to "the statement you posted". Better?
That doesn't change the fact that "The Burisma Leak" exercise was conducted just before the NY Post released the Hunter Biden laptop story, and people like Yoel Roth admitted to censoring the story because of it.
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Ice9 said: Either you think author of the Twitter files is credible, in which case "no evidence of government involvement in laptop story" or you think Matt Taibi is not credible, in which case your whole arguments fall apart. 
It doesn't fall apart, because Yoel Roth himself explained why he censored the Hunter laptop story.
You can say it was a wild coincidence that such an exercise was conducted right before the story was published, and I guess I'll just have to disagree about that, because of the tremendous amount of government involvement that the Twitter Files uncovered.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28154051 - 01/23/23 03:16 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Oh, a subpoena. Sounds like the FBI would also like some evidence that this laptop exists.
Your claims come with unbelievable evidence. So yes, I reject your evidence. I also reject your claims as unbelievable, without evidence.
The FBI made a copy of the laptop in November 2019, and came back to take the laptop in December 2019.
Says the repair shop owner, who we have just established has no credibility.
Actually, we established that the first time you used that link, which sources the repair shop owner and only the repair shop owner as a source, but...yeah. That is a little inconvenient to your argument.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28154057 - 01/23/23 03:18 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: They finally got one of the corrupt FBI leaders that was influencing the Russia Russia Russia sham investigation. Money laundering for sanctioned Russian oligarch and taking payments from a former employee of a foreign intel service while employees at the FBI. Head of Counterintelligence for New York FBI office from 2016 to 2018. Seems like a big deal.
Yeah, but it was crimes for republicans, so they don't count. Much like Kushner's 2B from the Saudis and Ivanka's 600M from China, when republicans do it, it's no big deal.
If he was a democrat, well, shit, I mean, a text message to a friend is enough for an investigation and a firing.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
#28154092 - 01/23/23 03:37 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Says the repair shop owner, who we have just established has no credibility.
How have we established he has no credibility? There is even a receipt.
Even PolitiFact acknowledges the FBI has the laptop.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28154193 - 01/23/23 04:32 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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You can say it was a wild coincidence that such an exercise was conducted right before the story was published, and I guess I'll just have to disagree about that, because of the tremendous amount of government involvement that the Twitter Files uncovered.
Please quote where I said this. You are making this up and lying about what I said.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos] 1
#28154199 - 01/23/23 04:37 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Who says they have no credibility....?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: starfire_xes] 1
#28154273 - 01/23/23 05:16 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Every time falcon says “we now know”’, what he means is “I’m making this up”
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: starfire_xes]
#28154278 - 01/23/23 05:19 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Kryptos said: Says the repair shop owner, who we have just established has no credibility.
How have we established he has no credibility? There is even a receipt.
Even PolitiFact acknowledges the FBI has the laptop.
That's the first time you've presented actual evidence of the existence of the laptop. Of course, the receipt is barely legible, but the serial numbers at least seem to match up.
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starfire_xes said: Who says they have no credibility....?

Same reason you have none. You're both just partisans on the internet. One of you just happens to own a laptop repair shop.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28154279 - 01/23/23 05:20 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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You can say it was a wild coincidence that such an exercise was conducted right before the story was published
Not a wild coincidence. The exercise was about election misinformation and the laptop story was the October surprise.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28154319 - 01/23/23 05:56 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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It wasn't even a laptop. I can't believe you're still spouting the same misinformation.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28154401 - 01/23/23 06:50 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Damn, I have heard "the madness of millions/ crowds" before, but if I consistently heard from a vast majority of sources, all saying the opposite of my position, over and over, from all different political spectrums....at some point I would have to question my stance.
This has to be sometype of political oppositional defiance syndrome in the Nthdegree. Or this is all sometype of sick joke.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28156003 - 01/24/23 06:11 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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But that's not the case. That's the point of the firehose of disinformation. There are plenty of other sources confirming the beliefs, to the point where we are but a small part of the flood.
It's somewhat analogous to the drive towards "centrism"--if you seek to always find the middle between two parties, the party going hard to the fringe drags the conversation into their field.
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