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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kickle]
#28141566 - 01/15/23 04:51 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Kickle said: There will always be differences in opinion for what represents the common good.
But in regards to elections, which are fundamental to trust in the resulting shape of the US govt., trust in the elected officials, and fundamental to trust in the American's who voted, do I think it's good to undermine this? No.
So you're in favor of the government censoring the Hunter Biden laptop story even though they knew it was real (they already had the laptop)?
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Kickle said: Do I think it's important that companies decide for themselves whether to look the other way? Yes. If profit is more important than the well being of the Democratic process, or America at large, so be it.
So you agree the government overstepped its bounds by pressuring Twitter to censor the laptop story?
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Kickle said: But to say the dialogue shouldn't take place between the government and businesses? I don't agree at all.
I didn't say that.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods] 1
#28141570 - 01/15/23 04:52 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: Falcon only cares of his narrative is censored. He’s perfectly fine when Russia censors people and social media.
No, I'm not ok with it. Could you please quit make believing for just one post?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28141581 - 01/15/23 04:57 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Can you point to an example, or are you make believing again?
Twitter did this;
Of the roughly 450 accounts that Facebook recently shared as a part of their review, we concluded that 22 had corresponding accounts on Twitter. All of those identified accounts had already been or immediately were suspended from Twitter for breaking our rules, most for violating our prohibitions against spam.
In addition, from those accounts we found an additional 179 related or linked accounts, and took action on the ones we found in violation of our rules. Neither the original accounts shared by Facebook, nor the additional related accounts we identified, were registered as advertisers on Twitter. However, we continue to investigate these issues, and will take action on anything that violates our Terms of Service.
Russia Today
The US intelligence community released a report in January, 2017, highlighting the role that RT (Russia Today), which has strong links to the Russian government, allegedly played in seeking to interfere in the 2016 US election and undermine trust in American democracy. RT has accounts on Twitter and tweets regularly. The open nature of the Twitter platform means this activity was public.
Today we proactively shared with committee staff a round-up of ads that three RT accounts (@RT_com, @RT_America, and @ActualidadRT) targeted to the US market in 2016. As of our meetings today we believe this is the complete list from these three accounts within that time frame, but we are continuing to review our internal data and will report back to the committees as we have more to share.
Based on our findings thus far, RT spent $274,100 in US ads in 2016. In that year, the @RT_com, @RT_America, and @ActualidadRT accounts promoted 1,823 Tweets that definitely or potentially targeted the US market. These campaigns were directed at followers of mainstream media and primarily promoted RT Tweets regarding news stories.
https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2017/Update-Russian-Interference-in-2016--Election-Bots-and-Misinformation
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28141615 - 01/15/23 05:24 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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So you agree the government overstepped its bounds by pressuring Twitter to censor the laptop story?
If there was any actual evidence of this, then yes. But they didn't say anything about the laptop to Twitter. The roundabout stuff you've pointed to is reliant on a lot of assumptions. Assumptions you are more than willing to make without any actual evidence.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kickle] 1
#28141626 - 01/15/23 05:33 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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We’ve already discussed why the fbi partners with social media.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28141655 - 01/15/23 05:54 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Twitter did this;
Of the roughly 450 accounts that Facebook recently shared as a part of their review, we concluded that 22 had corresponding accounts on Twitter. All of those identified accounts had already been or immediately were suspended from Twitter for breaking our rules, most for violating our prohibitions against spam.
In addition, from those accounts we found an additional 179 related or linked accounts, and took action on the ones we found in violation of our rules. Neither the original accounts shared by Facebook, nor the additional related accounts we identified, were registered as advertisers on Twitter. However, we continue to investigate these issues, and will take action on anything that violates our Terms of Service.
Russia Today
The US intelligence community released a report in January, 2017, highlighting the role that RT (Russia Today), which has strong links to the Russian government, allegedly played in seeking to interfere in the 2016 US election and undermine trust in American democracy. RT has accounts on Twitter and tweets regularly. The open nature of the Twitter platform means this activity was public.
Today we proactively shared with committee staff a round-up of ads that three RT accounts (@RT_com, @RT_America, and @ActualidadRT) targeted to the US market in 2016. As of our meetings today we believe this is the complete list from these three accounts within that time frame, but we are continuing to review our internal data and will report back to the committees as we have more to share.
Based on our findings thus far, RT spent $274,100 in US ads in 2016. In that year, the @RT_com, @RT_America, and @ActualidadRT accounts promoted 1,823 Tweets that definitely or potentially targeted the US market. These campaigns were directed at followers of mainstream media and primarily promoted RT Tweets regarding news stories.
https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2017/Update-Russian-Interference-in-2016--Election-Bots-and-Misinformation
So you think RT.com, who not a single person here found a fake story from, should be censored from social media? You don't think social media should present alternative points of view? You don't think Twitter should accept ads from foreign countries that use their platform?
Or maybe I'm missing your point?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kickle]
#28141662 - 01/15/23 05:59 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Kickle said: So you agree the government overstepped its bounds by pressuring Twitter to censor the laptop story?
If there was any actual evidence of this, then yes. But they didn't say anything about the laptop to Twitter. The roundabout stuff you've pointed to is reliant on a lot of assumptions. Assumptions you are more than willing to make without any actual evidence.
There is overwhelming evidence of pressure by the government to censor information it didn't like.
I think the question is how much pressure is acceptable before the government oversteps its bounds?
You don't seem to have a problem with social media platform CEOs being grilled before Congress for not censoring content, or for accepting ads from certain countries, or for having teams of government people telling them what should be censored.
To me, I feel that's a bit much.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28141664 - 01/15/23 06:00 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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koods said: We’ve already discussed why the fbi partners with social media.
Exactly. 
To ensure the establishment candidate gets elected.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28141667 - 01/15/23 06:01 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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You really think the govt is that competent?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28141725 - 01/15/23 06:24 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
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SirTripAlot said: Twitter did this;
Of the roughly 450 accounts that Facebook recently shared as a part of their review, we concluded that 22 had corresponding accounts on Twitter. All of those identified accounts had already been or immediately were suspended from Twitter for breaking our rules, most for violating our prohibitions against spam.
In addition, from those accounts we found an additional 179 related or linked accounts, and took action on the ones we found in violation of our rules. Neither the original accounts shared by Facebook, nor the additional related accounts we identified, were registered as advertisers on Twitter. However, we continue to investigate these issues, and will take action on anything that violates our Terms of Service.
Russia Today
The US intelligence community released a report in January, 2017, highlighting the role that RT (Russia Today), which has strong links to the Russian government, allegedly played in seeking to interfere in the 2016 US election and undermine trust in American democracy. RT has accounts on Twitter and tweets regularly. The open nature of the Twitter platform means this activity was public.
Today we proactively shared with committee staff a round-up of ads that three RT accounts (@RT_com, @RT_America, and @ActualidadRT) targeted to the US market in 2016. As of our meetings today we believe this is the complete list from these three accounts within that time frame, but we are continuing to review our internal data and will report back to the committees as we have more to share.
Based on our findings thus far, RT spent $274,100 in US ads in 2016. In that year, the @RT_com, @RT_America, and @ActualidadRT accounts promoted 1,823 Tweets that definitely or potentially targeted the US market. These campaigns were directed at followers of mainstream media and primarily promoted RT Tweets regarding news stories.
https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2017/Update-Russian-Interference-in-2016--Election-Bots-and-Misinformation
So you think RT.com, who not a single person here found a fake story from, should be censored from social media? You don't think social media should present alternative points of view? You don't think Twitter should accept ads from foreign countries that use their platform?
Or maybe I'm missing your point?
You asked for examples, I provided you with what Twitter produced. You may disagree with the examples, but they are examples nevertheless.
You also seem to think that RT is perfect while being a mouthpiece for the Russain government. You feel RT is infallible, which is ridiculous as no organization is.....especially a state controlled one. There is a reporter that quit due to the misinformation....let me guess, she was a CIA plant, right? No matter what is posted you will refute it, because hey, Russia can do no wrong
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/interview/former-rt-presenter-russian-disinformation-is-a-weapon/
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: mushboy]
#28141765 - 01/15/23 06:39 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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mushboy said: You really think the govt is that competent?
Apparently not. Peter Strzok and team failed to stop Trump in 2016.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28141771 - 01/15/23 06:43 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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well golly shucks then i guess your job is done! the deep state or whatever youd call it has been proven BY YOU to be incompetent.
problem solved. falcon you may rest easy tonite. we may all rest easy knowing the people trying to control us are fairly incompetent and we all pretty much do what we want anyway.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28141803 - 01/15/23 06:54 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: You asked for examples, I provided you with what Twitter produced. You may disagree with the examples, but they are examples nevertheless.
But those are examples of exactly what I've been talking about - government asking Twitter to block speech they disagree with, not examples of Russian disinformation.
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SirTripAlot said: You also seem to think that RT is perfect while being a mouthpiece for the Russain government. You feel RT is infallible, which is ridiculous as no organization is.....especially a state controlled one.
Actually I never thought that, but not a single person here has been able to find a single piece of fake news from RT, so... 
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SirTripAlot said: There is a reporter that quit due to the misinformation....let me guess, she was a CIA plant, right? No matter what is posted you will refute it, because hey, Russia can do no wrong
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/interview/former-rt-presenter-russian-disinformation-is-a-weapon/
You should know me better than that. I don't make believe. I will only refute things if the evidence backs me up.
In fact, this is a perfect example. What fake news did this person quit over? Was it the lady who quit because she supported Ukraine when Crimea voted to leave?
What was the fake news?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28141865 - 01/15/23 07:23 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: There is overwhelming evidence of pressure by the government to censor information it didn't like.
I think the question is how much pressure is acceptable before the government oversteps its bounds?
You don't seem to have a problem with social media platform CEOs being grilled before Congress for not censoring content, or for accepting ads from certain countries, or for having teams of government people telling them what should be censored.
To me, I feel that's a bit much. 
Like Koods said, we've been over this. I think it's nice you're consolidating your views in this way though.
In regards to Congressional hearings: I think the government has a right to discuss US interests with US companies. As long as they aren't illegally infringing on the companies 1st amendment rights. You know, taking control.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28141897 - 01/15/23 07:35 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
So you think RT.com, who not a single person here found a fake story from,
Liar. You were given a whole list that you keep running away from.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kickle]
#28142100 - 01/15/23 10:47 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Kickle said: In regards to Congressional hearings: I think the government has a right to discuss US interests with US companies. As long as they aren't illegally infringing on the companies 1st amendment rights. You know, taking control.
Do they have a right to tell social media companies that Russia-Gate was real even though it turned out to be a hoax, and do they have a right to tell social media companies that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation, even though they knew it was real because they had it?
I think that's the bigger question.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kwyjibo]
#28142101 - 01/15/23 10:48 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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So you think RT.com, who not a single person here found a fake story from,
Liar. You were given a whole list that you keep running away from.
If you can find the list, I'll address it.
It had a bunch of fakes that were easily disproven, but I tried to give the benefit of the doubt by asking for the best example, and no one stepped up. If you prefer, I can start with the most easily disproven one to show it's fake.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28142135 - 01/15/23 11:42 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Kickle said: In regards to Congressional hearings: I think the government has a right to discuss US interests with US companies. As long as they aren't illegally infringing on the companies 1st amendment rights. You know, taking control.
Do they have a right to tell social media companies that Russia-Gate was real even though it turned out to be a hoax, and do they have a right to tell social media companies that Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation, even though they knew it was real because they had it?
I think that's the bigger question.
“Russiangate” was real and the fbi never discussed the laptop with Twitter. Lie lie lie.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28142164 - 01/16/23 12:56 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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Fal, Should US intelligence services should be concerned about preventing the spread of foreign propaganda, particularly misinformation about US elections, on US based social media sites?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods] 1
#28142189 - 01/16/23 01:16 AM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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koods said: “Russiangate” was real and the fbi never discussed the laptop with Twitter. Lie lie lie.
Did you find evidence that Russiagate was real, or are you make believing again? You should definitely share your evidence with Mueller.
And did you already forget about the "Burisma Leak" exercise that prepared social media platforms to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story?
'Twitter Files' part 7 unveils the FBI's involvement in the Hunter Biden laptop scandal
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