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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28137001 - 01/12/23 05:19 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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What if Russia was indeed a BRICS country and had influence in the InfoBRICS account?  Does that mean Twitter has to censor InfoBRICS?  Does free speech no longer exist in this country?

BRICS is a competitor to the G20, and Western governments don't always care for their message, just like they don't care for messages that aren't for the Ukraine war, etc.




Foreign accounts run by foreigners aren’t protected by the first amendment.

constitutional protections are for Americans and people in the United States, not foreign governments

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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28137005 - 01/12/23 05:22 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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And I'll ask again, do you support the government censoring the BRICS information from private websites if the information comes from Russia?




It gets really tiresome hearing you conflating this cross talk with government censorship on every new Twitter file.

Especially after several posters point out that you're erroneously conflating the two.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
    #28137009 - 01/12/23 05:26 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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The government, being very aggressive on the attribution said to twitter in their best Sam L Jackson voice "I am so sick of this motherfucking Russian misinformation on the motherfucking internet" and then Twitter said "they seem quite confident this from xyz, lets tag it UNSAFE".  Again, government was not aggressive towards Twitter, therefore they did not coerce twitter.  Twitter agreed with government attribution and subsequently acted by labeling the domain as UNSAFE.



More like the government, being very aggressive on the attribution said to twitter in their best Sam L Jackson voice "I am so sick of this motherfucking Russian information letting people know BRICS can compete with the West and its reserve currency".

You seem to have already forgotten the government doesn't take kindly to people who call them out on things, like Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, etc.

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The very tone of that whole email clearly shows that the author was not under duress.



To me it clearly shows they felt they had no choice.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28137012 - 01/12/23 05:28 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Foreign accounts run by foreigners aren’t protected by the first amendment.

constitutional protections are for Americans and people in the United States, not foreign governments



Twitter isn't free to host whatever they like as an American company?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kickle]
    #28137014 - 01/12/23 05:30 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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It gets really tiresome hearing you conflating this cross talk with government censorship on every new Twitter file.

Especially after several posters show you that you're conflating the two.



I've shown you they censored content due to the government telling them information is from Russia.  Do you think the government has a right to tell Twitter to take down information from Russia that the government doesn't want posted?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28137017 - 01/12/23 05:32 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I think the government has a right to discuss US interests with US companies, yes. As long as they aren't illegally infringing on the companies 1st amendment rights. You know, taking control.

Shit, why wouldn't I want the American government, American business, and the American people to work together for the betterment of America? I want all that to get together in harmony. We're a lot better and more productive country that way


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28137052 - 01/12/23 06:06 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Exactly.  Government can't censor non-criminal matter.



Where did you get this crazy idea from?



Here?

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Hate speech is protected, as it should be, because the alternative is to have a government body determine what is and isn't acceptable criticism of other people.  That gives the government the tools to silence dissent.  Democracy cannot survive when dissent is silenced.

The remedy for false speech is not censorship, but more speech.




Are we now saying the Government can censor speech it doesn't like?



So, you turned my position against censorship into some completely absurd claim that the government can't censor non-criminal matters?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28137092 - 01/12/23 06:39 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

The government didn't tell them to remove anything. I don't know why you're so against letting websites control their own content and trusting in people to choose for themselves which of these websites has content they wish to view. Not everyone wants to waste their time sifting through a sea of propaganda posted by state actors just to satisfy your demand for the government to censor the information that makes removing that unwanted content possible.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
    #28137107 - 01/12/23 06:58 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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More like the government, being very aggressive on the attribution said to twitter in their best Sam L Jackson voice "I am so sick of this motherfucking Russian information letting people know BRICS can compete with the West and its reserve currency".




Stop lying. These accounts were posting election misinformation.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kickle]
    #28137199 - 01/12/23 08:22 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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I think the government has a right to discuss US interests with US companies, yes.



Obviously.

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As long as they aren't illegally infringing on the companies 1st amendment rights. You know, taking control.

Shit, why wouldn't I want the American government, American business, and the American people to work together for the betterment of America? I want all that to get together in harmony. We're a lot better and more productive country that way



Censoring information harmful to the US government isn't necessarily good policy for the betterment of America.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil]
    #28137203 - 01/12/23 08:24 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Exactly.  Government can't censor non-criminal matter.



Where did you get this crazy idea from?



Here?

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Hate speech is protected, as it should be, because the alternative is to have a government body determine what is and isn't acceptable criticism of other people.  That gives the government the tools to silence dissent.  Democracy cannot survive when dissent is silenced.

The remedy for false speech is not censorship, but more speech.




Are we now saying the Government can censor speech it doesn't like?



So, you turned my position against censorship into some completely absurd claim that the government can't censor non-criminal matters?



Why don't you provide an example of when government can censor social media platforms so we know what you're talking about?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28137206 - 01/12/23 08:26 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Stop lying. These accounts were posting election misinformation.



Any example(s)?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28137273 - 01/12/23 09:20 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

The Twitter files


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28137445 - 01/13/23 02:19 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Can you point to an example, or are you make believing again?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28137507 - 01/13/23 05:18 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

That’s what the fbi was doing. You’re the one making shit up to fit your narrative. Lying actually. Let’s not sugar coat it. You’re a liar.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28137510 - 01/13/23 05:26 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Because we know Russia is free.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/04/world/europe/russia-censorship-media-crackdown.amp.html

The lower house of Parliament, the State Duma, passed the law criminalizing “false information” about the armed forces on Friday by a unanimous vote, and Mr. Putin signed it later in the day.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28137560 - 01/13/23 06:30 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Censoring information harmful to the US government isn't necessarily good policy for the betterment of America.

There will always be differences in opinion for what represents the common good.

But in regards to elections, which are fundamental to trust in the resulting shape of the US govt., trust in the elected officials, and fundamental to trust in the American's who voted, do I think it's good to undermine this? No.

Do I think companies should look the other way and freely allow this, especially when there are foreign players in the space? No.

Do I think it's important that companies decide for themselves whether to look the other way? Yes. If profit is more important than the well being of the Democratic process, or America at large, so be it. That would represent the financial electives in America and be the net result of our system.

But to say the dialogue shouldn't take place between the government and businesses? I don't agree at all. Unless the law is being broken in the process, because that screws with another pillar of democracy.

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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #28137876 - 01/13/23 12:07 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Because we know Russia is free.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/04/world/europe/russia-censorship-media-crackdown.amp.html

The lower house of Parliament, the State Duma, passed the law criminalizing “false information” about the armed forces on Friday by a unanimous vote, and Mr. Putin signed it later in the day.




Falcon only cares of his narrative is censored. He’s perfectly fine when Russia censors people and social media.

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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
    #28141527 - 01/15/23 04:26 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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What if Russia was indeed a BRICS country and had influence in the InfoBRICS account?  Does that mean Twitter has to censor InfoBRICS?  Does free speech no longer exist in this country?

BRICS is a competitor to the G20, and Western governments don't always care for their message, just like they don't care for messages that aren't for the Ukraine war, etc.



Foreign entities have never had rights in this country. That's how we get away with sanctioning them.

Apparently Twitter decided people might be turned off by Russian propaganda and chose to platform US propaganda exclusively.



Yes, I get that.  But if Twitter wants to platform Russian information, don't they have that right?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28141558 - 01/15/23 04:43 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Any example(s)?



The Twitter files



Can you point to an example, or are you make believing again?



That’s what the fbi was doing. You’re the one making shit up to fit your narrative. Lying actually. Let’s not sugar coat it. You’re a liar.



I asked if you can provide any examples.  How is asking for an example a lie?

You can't seem to provide any examples, so you resort to your usual tactic of calling me a poo poo head (liar).  Every time I ask people to back up their claim, they can't do it.

Where did all the smart people go?


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