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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28136233 - 01/12/23 05:44 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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We do have proof.  A Twitter employee literally said he censored content as a result of government aggression:

"...government partners are becoming more aggressive on attribution and reporting on it.  I'm going to go ahead with suspension and marking the domain as UNSAFE."








Imagine believing in a narrative so hard that you have to constantly twist your understanding of the English language to the point it makes you seem mentally deficient.  I have literally asked if FW is a native English speaker before because his understanding was so skewed.  Turns out it is intentional.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9] * 2
    #28136315 - 01/12/23 07:43 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Every media outlet, every platform, every journalist, and indeed every industry restricts themselves as a result of government aggression.

It’s called the state monopoly on violence, and it means if you do something against the aims of that state then you may very well face retribution. All businesses, all individuals know this and act accordingly. I mean, we’re on a site ostensibly devoted to cultivating illegal substances, I don’t think moderating your speech to minimizing state “aggression” towards you should be some revelation.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #28136346 - 01/12/23 08:12 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

What does that have to do with my contention you replied to?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
    #28136404 - 01/12/23 09:21 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

We do have proof.  A Twitter employee literally said he censored content as a result of government aggression:

"...government partners are becoming more aggressive on attribution and reporting on it.  I'm going to go ahead with suspension and marking the domain as UNSAFE."








Imagine believing in a narrative so hard that you have to constantly twist your understanding of the English language to the point it makes you seem mentally deficient.  I have literally asked if FW is a native English speaker before because his understanding was so skewed.  Turns out it is intentional.



That's what newspeak is all about.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
    #28136488 - 01/12/23 10:40 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Apparently Twitter decided people might be turned off by Russian propaganda and chose to platform US propaganda exclusively.



You're clearly not reading the Twitter files.  Twitter stated they didn't want to censor InfoBRICS, but said did so as a result of government pressure.  That's very clear from the quote above.

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Ice9 said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
We do have proof.  A Twitter employee literally said he censored content as a result of government aggression:

"Due to a lack of technical evidence on our end, I've generally left it be, waiting for more evidence. I think that our window on that is closing, given that government partners are becoming more aggressive on attribution and reporting on it. I'm going to go ahead with suspension and marking the domain as UNSAFE."




Imagine believing in a narrative so hard that you have to constantly twist your understanding of the English language to the point it makes you seem mentally deficient.  I have literally asked if FW is a native English speaker before because his understanding was so skewed.  Turns out it is intentional.



That's what newspeak is all about.



Ice9, can you explain what was twisted, or is this YET ANOTHER one of your constant "Fal's a big fat poo poo head, but I'm far too dumb to explain" posts?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28136553 - 01/12/23 11:44 AM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I literally explain what you are misunderstanding in my post by quoting you.  Other posters have also said it over the past 5 pages or so.  Please continue being obtuse.  It only hurts your own arguments when you claim to not know what anyone is talking about, as the conclusion by everyone posting becomes you cannot understand the conversation.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
    #28136700 - 01/12/23 01:56 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Quoting me quoting Twitter doesn't explain what was twisted; it only proves my point.

I knew you wouldn't be able to explain because you never can.

Kizzle said he thinks I don't understand, but I explained to him here how I do.

It's not illegal for Russia to share information in this country, so the US government had no right to pressure Twitter into censoring information from Russia just because they didn't like it.

Edited by Falcon91Wolvrn03 (01/12/23 02:06 PM)

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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28136858 - 01/12/23 03:38 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Sigh.  Fine I'll explain.  If I said "FW is getting aggressive on demanding explanations", what is FW's aggression towards?  It is towards demanding explanations, not towards me, the writer of that sentence.  It's basic fucking English.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28136867 - 01/12/23 03:45 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Exactly.  Government can't censor non-criminal matter.



Where did you get this crazy idea from?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil]
    #28136870 - 01/12/23 03:48 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

I've been waiting for you to pop in and explain the difference between criminal and illegal, while we're at it.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28136873 - 01/12/23 03:51 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Not sure on criminal, but here is a picture explaining illegal


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: ballsalsa]
    #28136874 - 01/12/23 03:53 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Before we even get there, there has to be some kind of government coercion to even call it government censorship.  How is a multibillion dollar company with an army of lawyers coerced by the government without so much as a lawsuit being filed?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28136916 - 01/12/23 04:22 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

You're trying to take parts of message out of context. Try reading the whole thing.

The first thing you'll discover is they're not actually talking about censoring BRICS. They're talking about some account that was promoting it. What else was that account doing that caught their attention? We don't know because I guess the rest of the conversation didn't fit the Twitter Files narrative so they didn't include it. They make it clear though they suspect the Russian government is controlling it.

The next thing you'll find is they say they hadn't suspended it for a specific reason. The reason they give is they didn't have enough evidence linking it the Russian government.

Then they say that window is closing (the window of leaving the account alone from not having enough evidence).

The reason why there is no longer a lack of evidence is then stated. "our government partners have been aggressive on attribution and reporting on it."


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
    #28136968 - 01/12/23 04:56 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Sigh.  Fine I'll explain.  If I said "FW is getting aggressive on demanding explanations", what is FW's aggression towards?  It is towards demanding explanations, not towards me, the writer of that sentence.  It's basic fucking English.



You need to read the whole thing for context:

"Due to a lack of technical evidence on our end, I've generally left it be, waiting for more evidence. I think that our window on that is closing, given that government partners are becoming more aggressive on attribution and reporting on it. I'm going to go ahead with suspension and marking the domain as UNSAFE."

That shows Twitter did this because of the government.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28136973 - 01/12/23 04:59 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Government attribution and reporting


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil]
    #28136974 - 01/12/23 05:01 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Exactly.  Government can't censor non-criminal matter.



Where did you get this crazy idea from?



Here?

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Hate speech is protected, as it should be, because the alternative is to have a government body determine what is and isn't acceptable criticism of other people.  That gives the government the tools to silence dissent.  Democracy cannot survive when dissent is silenced.

The remedy for false speech is not censorship, but more speech.




Are we now saying the Government can censor speech it doesn't like?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28136978 - 01/12/23 05:04 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

Yes Twitter used the information the government made available to them to help make its decision but you were claiming the government threatened them and that's obviously not true.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil]
    #28136987 - 01/12/23 05:08 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Before we even get there, there has to be some kind of government coercion to even call it government censorship.  How is a multibillion dollar company with an army of lawyers coerced by the government without so much as a lawsuit being filed?



You haven't read the Twitter files, have you?

:ohyou:

You can lead a horse to water...  :shrug:

Look at how much business Twitter has already lost just for suggesting Twitter remove censorship.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28136994 - 01/12/23 05:11 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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Sigh.  Fine I'll explain.  If I said "FW is getting aggressive on demanding explanations", what is FW's aggression towards?  It is towards demanding explanations, not towards me, the writer of that sentence.  It's basic fucking English.



You need to read the whole thing for context:

"Due to a lack of technical evidence on our end, I've generally left it be, waiting for more evidence. I think that our window on that is closing, given that government partners are becoming more aggressive on attribution and reporting on it. I'm going to go ahead with suspension and marking the domain as UNSAFE."

That shows Twitter did this because of the government.




The government, being very aggressive on the attribution said to twitter in their best Sam L Jackson voice "I am so sick of this motherfucking Russian misinformation on the motherfucking internet" and then Twitter said "they seem quite confident this from xyz, lets tag it UNSAFE".  Again, government was not aggressive towards Twitter, therefore they did not coerce twitter.  Twitter agreed with government attribution and subsequently acted by labeling the domain as UNSAFE.

The very tone of that whole email clearly shows that the author was not under duress.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
    #28137000 - 01/12/23 05:18 PM (1 year, 4 months ago)

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...they're not actually talking about censoring BRICS. They're talking about some account that was promoting it. What else was that account doing that caught their attention? We don't know because I guess the rest of the conversation didn't fit the Twitter Files narrative so they didn't include it. They make it clear though they suspect the Russian government is controlling it.



They're talking about InfoBRICS.  The front page about "the 'Tremendous Potential' of a BRICS Reserve Currency".  That's the kind of thing the US has started wars trying to prevent.

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The next thing you'll find is they say they hadn't suspended it for a specific reason. The reason they give is they didn't have enough evidence linking it the Russian government.

Then they say that window is closing (the window of leaving the account alone from not having enough evidence).

The reason why there is no longer a lack of evidence is then stated. "our government partners have been aggressive on attribution and reporting on it."



And I'll ask again, do you support the government censoring the BRICS information from private websites if the information comes from Russia?


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