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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28125211 - 01/05/23 12:43 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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I am all for bringing it down. It doesn't appear there is anything to bring down though.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28125247 - 01/05/23 02:57 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Joe Biden demanded the person investigating Burisma be fired or he would withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees.
What business is it of Joe Biden to interfere in other country's business?
Oh ya, Hunter Biden was on Burisma's Board of Directors and helped a Burisma executive get a meeting with Joe, as disclosed by the laptop leak.
Joe Biden’s 2020 Ukrainian nightmare: A closed probe is revived
I think you mean what business is it of Barrack Obama to interfere in other country's business? Joe Biden wasn't the president. He didn't have the to power to withhold foreign aid. He was essentially the messanger.
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The narrative here appears to have gone from censorship is ok if it's done by private companies, to government censorship is ok as long as they don't require private companies to do it.
But the Supreme Court ruled in 1963 that the First Amendment is violated when government officials coerce private companies to censor something.
In 1963, Rhode Island legislators began pressuring (not requiring) bookstores to remove books those lawmakers had deemed inappropriate. The Supreme Court (Bantam Books v. Sullivan) recognized that when politicians suggest that you censor content, that will be understood as an order to do so and thus violates the Constitution.
The threats to Elon Musk to censor more or face punishment far exceeds what the 1963 Court found to be unconstitutional coercion to censor.
The narritive is what it's always been. You claiming the government is using coercion and everyone else trying to explain to you that you don't understand what coercion is. Asking questions is not coercion. Making a request is not coercion. This Twiller Files once again proves Twitter is not being coerced. In the case you mentioned the government was threatening the bookstore with prosecution, that would be coercion.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28125268 - 01/05/23 04:16 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I've been watching the right-wing media release story after story claiming the FBI was coercing Twitter into changing their policies and that the FBI was magically being controlled by Joe Biden at the time but no stories about this.

That's right, let's regulate the speech we don't agree with.....Truth social does that already.
Mo Freedom
Trump was saying Social Media Platforms should be regulated so they don't silence voices.
Explain to me how this would work. Isn't that exactly the same thing as the case law of Bantam Books v. Sullivan, you posted above?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28125310 - 01/05/23 05:41 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I've been watching the right-wing media release story after story claiming the FBI was coercing Twitter into changing their policies and that the FBI was magically being controlled by Joe Biden at the time but no stories about this.

That's right, let's regulate the speech we don't agree with.....Truth social does that already.
Mo Freedom
Trump was saying Social Media Platforms should be regulated so they don't silence voices.
OR SHUT DOWN.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28125316 - 01/05/23 05:59 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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He was advocating for an obvious first amendment violation. As dumb arguments go, it's not a surprise that Trump made it.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28125391 - 01/05/23 07:50 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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mushboy said: imagine being the incel at the computer repair joint who thinks dick pics and drug use is some moral counter weight to bring down the liberals
If you read the story, he turned the laptop over the FBI because it had information about Joe Biden's dealings with Burisma on it.
Source or make believe?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28125435 - 01/05/23 08:30 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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This shifting of blame is so bonkers. Remember when Trump withheld money to Ukraine after Congress passed the law for it? Essentially trying to take the power of both the legislative and executive branch as his own? And the white house said this:
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“I have news for everybody: Get over it. There is going to be political influence in foreign policy,” Mulvaney said.
Yeah... Of course politics is involved in foreign policy, duh. But blatantly overstepping the balances of power is the illegal shit.
Very, very few are privy to the information those in power are afforded. So it's always speculation based on less. That's why it's really important that power is spread around so that one person cannot universally make the call for those of us who can't see. Even on this forum, given much the same information, people draw very different conclusions. Pretty messed up to support power grabs like Trump's, even if you agree with the reasoning based on what little you do know.
It's no surprise to me that people who support this type of power grab are also the ones who say everyone else needs to wake up. The sense of self righteousness just oozes out.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kickle] 2
#28125514 - 01/05/23 09:45 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Interesting article I saw the other day claiming that people who rely more on intuition are less susceptible to modern disinformation. There is a new logic to propaganda, the whole firehouse of information techniques, which overload the mental processing capacities of people that rely less on intuition and more on sorting data.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
#28125540 - 01/05/23 10:07 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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 We sort according to our predisposition on a topic. So throwing out tons of (mis)information for someone predisposed to seek it out as confirmation is a great propaganda tool.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
#28125543 - 01/05/23 10:11 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I think you mean what business is it of Barrack Obama to interfere in other country's business? Joe Biden wasn't the president.
Sure ok, but Biden took all the credit in his interview.
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Kizzle said: You claiming the government is using coercion and everyone else trying to explain to you that you don't understand what coercion is.
It's not just me claiming it. Many are. See here and here.
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Kizzle said: Asking questions is not coercion.
Agreed.
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Kizzle said: Making a request is not coercion. This Twiller Files once again proves Twitter is not being coerced. In the case you mentioned the government was threatening the bookstore with prosecution, that would be coercion.
The latest round of Twitter files shows they were clearly being coerced. Maybe I'll do another summary if I get time, as I'm pretty sure you're reading the mainstream news summaries rather than the Twitter files themselves.
The Supreme Court ruled in Bantam Books, Inc. v. Sullivan that pressuring (not requiring) companies to censor content is inappropriate.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28125545 - 01/05/23 10:13 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I've been watching the right-wing media release story after story claiming the FBI was coercing Twitter into changing their policies and that the FBI was magically being controlled by Joe Biden at the time but no stories about this.

That's right, let's regulate the speech we don't agree with.....Truth social does that already.
Mo Freedom
Trump was saying Social Media Platforms should be regulated so they don't silence voices.
Explain to me how this would work. Isn't that exactly the same thing as the case law of Bantam Books v. Sullivan, you posted above?
Exactly. Trump wanted to pass a law enforcing the Bantam Books v. Sullivan decision that the government can't coerce companies to repress speech.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
#28125546 - 01/05/23 10:15 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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christopera said: He was advocating for an obvious first amendment violation. As dumb arguments go, it's not a surprise that Trump made it.
How is saying government shouldn't repress speech a first amendment violation?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
#28125549 - 01/05/23 10:17 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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you crack me up dude
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28125553 - 01/05/23 10:23 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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mushboy said: imagine being the incel at the computer repair joint who thinks dick pics and drug use is some moral counter weight to bring down the liberals
If you read the story, he turned the laptop over the FBI because it had information about Joe Biden's dealings with Burisma on it.
Source or make believe?
I already gave you the source - the laptop owner.
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Ninety days go by and the owner of the laptop has not paid or come to retrieve it and Issac said he was unable to reach the owner. Meanwhile in June and July impeachment talks had been ramping up, so Isaac did a keyword search for terms relating to Biden’s dealings with Burisma in his emails.
Isaac allegedly found emails allegedly revealing Hunter Biden introduced his father, then-Vice President Joe Biden, to a top executive at Burisma less than a year before Biden pressured government officials in Ukraine to fire Victor Shokin, a prosecutor investigating the company.
Isaac claims he contacted an intermediary, who he declined to identify, about the emails. The Intermediary then contacted the FBI.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28125556 - 01/05/23 10:27 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Lol what a joke
If bidens biggest scandal is his son introduced him to a coworker, then Biden is the most honest politician of our life time
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#28125638 - 01/05/23 11:03 AM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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christopera said: He was advocating for an obvious first amendment violation. As dumb arguments go, it's not a surprise that Trump made it.
How is saying government shouldn't repress speech a first amendment violation?
Come on dude.
"we will strongly regulate, or close them down"
Did you read the tweet?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28125703 - 01/05/23 12:03 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Mo Freedom
Trump was saying Social Media Platforms should be regulated so they don't silence voices.
Explain to me how this would work. Isn't that exactly the same thing as the case law of Bantam Books v. Sullivan, you posted above?
Exactly. Trump wanted to pass a law enforcing the Bantam Books v. Sullivan decision that the government can't coerce companies to repress speech.
So Trump wants to pass a law banning social media establishments from censoring political speech even though the case you presented was based upon the government censoring speech?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#28125723 - 01/05/23 12:21 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Mo Freedom
Trump was saying Social Media Platforms should be regulated so they don't silence voices.
Explain to me how this would work. Isn't that exactly the same thing as the case law of Bantam Books v. Sullivan, you posted above?
Exactly. Trump wanted to pass a law enforcing the Bantam Books v. Sullivan decision that the government can't coerce companies to repress speech.
So Trump wants to pass a law banning social media establishments from censoring political speech even though the case you presented was based upon the government censoring speech?</font></font></font></font>
So he would force Twitter and truth social to platform left leaning posts?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#28125817 - 01/05/23 01:26 PM (1 year, 4 months ago) |
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Woah woah WOAH, left leaning posts? Hold your horses there, buddy.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
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Parler would have to platform left wingers as well I take it? Sounds like they're fucking with the free market of ideas.
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