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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28107707 - 12/21/22 05:33 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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So we now KNOW the FBI worked very closely with Twitter on the laptop story
No we don’t know that. We’ve seen no evidence of this whatsoever. More shameless lying. You’re truly unbelievable 
Actually, we DO know that. I suggest you reread Part 7 and count the number of times it mentions Twitter working with the FBI, including a payment by the FBI of over $3 million for working with them.
I know you're not as dumb as you claim to be; you are just being terribly dishonest.
Show me the evidence the FBI worked with Twitter on the laptop story. Show it or shut the fuck up Mod edit: flame removed
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28107931 - 12/21/22 08:18 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The losers over at the FBI released some truly lame statement that totally attempts to deflect off of the fact that they are blatantly corrupt:


Meanwhile, if you're a leftist... "Trust the FBI!!! They know what's best for us! The CIA and FBI clearly have our best interests in mind and they never lie!"
Fucking LOL .
It's truly incredible to me how all you leftist rebels out there ended up transforming into mindless authoritarians and the lengths you will go to justify it.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 2
#28107950 - 12/21/22 08:35 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Sulfurshelfsean said: No no no. Daddy musk would never lie or hide things. He's a free speech warrior.
Why do you think being in favor of free speech means one would never hide things? Perhaps you were just joking, but then I don't get the joke.
Elonplane shared publicly available info and got shut down, with a lie by by elon. So he's not in favor of free speech and he used a lie to try and cover his ass. Or is sharing publicly available info not free speech?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28108152 - 12/22/22 01:49 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: We've had entire threads where I complained about censorship by social media companies, and everyone defended them because private companies who can censor what they like so long as the government isn't doing it.
Now, we know the government is telling social media companies what to censor, and even paying them for complying, and people are like, who cares - what a nothingburger.
I have shocking revelation for you. It's not just the FBI doing this. Anyone can flag a tweet and ask Twitter to review if it's breaking it's policies. The conspiracy is much greater than you thought.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: chopstick] 2
#28108276 - 12/22/22 07:18 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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chopstick said: The losers over at the FBI released some truly lame statement that totally attempts to deflect off of the fact that they are blatantly corrupt:


Meanwhile, if you're a leftist... "Trust the FBI!!! They know what's best for us! The CIA and FBI clearly have our best interests in mind and they never lie!"
Fucking LOL .
It's truly incredible to me how all you leftist rebels out there ended up transforming into mindless authoritarians and the lengths you will go to justify it.
No leftist is defending the institutions designed specifically to undermine and defeat the left.
Once again, you are just too uninformed to know that people like koods aren’t the left. Nor is Joe Biden or any of the Democratic leadership.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28108284 - 12/22/22 07:27 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Excuse me?
Pointing out that falcon is blatantly lying about the Twitter files isn’t defending anyone. I’m just tired of his disinformation.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28108540 - 12/22/22 11:11 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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So we now KNOW the FBI worked very closely with Twitter on the laptop story
No we don’t know that. We’ve seen no evidence of this whatsoever. More shameless lying. You’re truly unbelievable 
Actually, we DO know that. I suggest you reread Part 7 and count the number of times it mentions Twitter working with the FBI, including a payment by the FBI of over $3 million for working with them.
I know you're not as dumb as you claim to be; you are just being terribly dishonest.
Show me the evidence the FBI worked with Twitter on the laptop story. Show it or shut the fuck up Mod edit: flame removed
Still waiting on this. I think I’ve asked three or four times now.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods] 1
#28108733 - 12/22/22 01:25 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: Show me the evidence the FBI worked with Twitter on the laptop story. Show it or shut the fuck up Mod edit: flame removed
I showed it to you already.
Here's another detailed story with Twitter Files evidence in it showing the same in great detail:
FBI pressured Twitter, sent trove of docs hours before Post broke Hunter laptop story
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Documents posted on Twitter by independent journalist Michael Shellenberger showed that Twitter’s former head of trust and safety, Yoel Roth, was contacted by FBI Agent Elvis Chan just hours before The Post published the first laptop story on Oct. 14, 2020.
Chan used a special, one-way communication channel to send Roth and at least one other person 10 documents on the night of Oct. 13, 2020, and asked them to confirm receipt, Shellenberger found. . . .
Lots more in the article. But what the hell am I doing summarizing it for you? I've already done that, and you know how to read. I guess if you want to believe the Twitter Files are all a bunch of phony documents, that's your right, but I haven't seen ANYTHING yet to that effect.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: chopstick]
#28108742 - 12/22/22 01:29 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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chopstick said: The losers over at the FBI released some truly lame statement that totally attempts to deflect off of the fact that they are blatantly corrupt:


I love it. If you believe the Twitter Files are real, you're a conspiracy theorist!
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28108761 - 12/22/22 01:37 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I haven't seen evidence that the FBI acted inappropriately. I'm sure they correspond with a lot of companies about criminal cases. The bigger the company, and the more it relates, the more frequently. Facebook is probably way up there.
There was also a reason for a federal agency to be involved with election interference. Namely, prior attempts to interfere with federal elections.
None of the communications suggest coercion. They literally say it's Twitter's call, ensuring that 1st amendment rights are not only implied but explicitly stated.
The fact that a relationship formed is not evidence of coercion either. That's not what an exchange of information represents. Especially not when massive amounts of people are involved and it's all cordial.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28108779 - 12/22/22 01:50 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: Show me the evidence the FBI worked with Twitter on the laptop story. Show it or shut the fuck up Mod edit: flame removed
I showed it to you already.
Here's another detailed story with Twitter Files evidence in it showing the same in great detail:
FBI pressured Twitter, sent trove of docs hours before Post broke Hunter laptop story
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Documents posted on Twitter by independent journalist Michael Shellenberger showed that Twitter’s former head of trust and safety, Yoel Roth, was contacted by FBI Agent Elvis Chan just hours before The Post published the first laptop story on Oct. 14, 2020.
Chan used a special, one-way communication channel to send Roth and at least one other person 10 documents on the night of Oct. 13, 2020, and asked them to confirm receipt, Shellenberger found. . . .
Lots more in the article. But what the hell am I doing summarizing it for you? I've already done that, and you know how to read. I guess if you want to believe the Twitter Files are all a bunch of phony documents, that's your right, but I haven't seen ANYTHING yet to that effect.
You don’t need to summarize anything for me. I am very familiar with everything that has been released. That’s how I know you are lying.
I never said the Twitter files are phony. I’m saying nothing in the Twitter files shows the FBI discussed the laptop case with Twitter.
Do you have any actual evidence that Twitter employees discussed the laptop with the FBI? We know the fbi was in communication with Twitter about election interference. I’m asking you for actual evidence the FBI said anything about the laptop to Twitter employees. I don’t know what was communicated in those documents and neither do you.
How many times do I have to ask you this question? Jesus Christ dude. 
Your level of dishonesty is off the charts since the Twitter files aren’t painting the picture you are so desperate to have them paint. Im actually a bit surprised myself that there isn’t any evidence the FBI discussed the laptop with Twitter employees but considering these “reporters” have had full access to Twitter communications and nobody at Twitter ever said anything about guidance they were getting from the fbi about the laptop, it seems this is a total nothing burger. But you will continue to lie about it.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kickle]
#28108788 - 12/22/22 01:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Kickle said: I haven't seen evidence that the FBI acted inappropriately. I'm sure they correspond with a lot of companies about criminal cases. The bigger the company, and the more it relates, the more frequently. Facebook is probably way up there.
There was also a reason for a federal agency to be involved with election interference. Namely, prior attempts to interfere with federal elections.
None of the communications suggest coercion. They literally say it's Twitter's call, ensuring that 1st amendment rights are not only implied but explicitly stated.
The fact that a relationship formed is not evidence of coercion either. That's not what an exchange of information represents. Especially not when massive amounts of people are involved and it's all cordial.
So then do we at least agree the FBI pressured Twitter to ban the Hunter Biden laptop story, even if it was, as you call it, "Twitter's call"?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28108791 - 12/22/22 02:03 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Lying liar will keep lying. You’re pathetic.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28108793 - 12/22/22 02:06 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I'd like to see what the FBI sent to Noel and the other individual which weighed into the decision making, sure.
I have all sorts of questions, of course. But not the same conclusions as many would like to draw. Because there isn't the evidence. And with the evidence that is there, it looks like Twitter was doing a very conscientious job of juggling hard decisions between privacy, the FBI trying to perform a job, content moderation, and public perception.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kickle]
#28108797 - 12/22/22 02:10 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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There are plenty of documents showing the internal discussions about the laptop but absolutely none of them show the FBI had any influence. In fact the only evidence I’ve seen was the one note from Roth who said he asked the FBI about the laptop and they did not give him any assistance.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28108800 - 12/22/22 02:13 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I would expect that the FBI had some opinions on Hunter Biden's dick pics, because posting those publicly without permission is, in fact, a federal crime.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods] 1
#28108801 - 12/22/22 02:13 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: I never said the Twitter files are phony. I’m saying nothing in the Twitter files shows the FBI discussed the laptop case with Twitter.
Do you have any actual evidence that Twitter employees discussed the laptop with the FBI? We know the fbi was in communication with Twitter about election interference. I’m asking you for actual evidence the FBI said anything about the laptop to Twitter employees. I don’t know what was communicated in those documents and neither do you.
How many times do I have to ask you this question? Jesus Christ dude. 
So you agree the FBI WAS involved in working with Twitter to censor content, but you think it was only a coincidence that a ramp up of discussions happened right around the time of the laptop story, and that Yoel Roth's decision to go against his gut feeling not to censor the story wasn't influenced by these FBI discussions, correct?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods] 1
#28108802 - 12/22/22 02:15 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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koods said: Lying liar will keep lying. You’re pathetic.
Oh ya? Well you lie about me lying, SO THERE, NEENER NEENER!!!
God damn, these kindergarten discussions are pathetic.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28108805 - 12/22/22 02:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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They’re not kindergarten discussions. You are repeatedly making claims you cannot backup up with evidence.
Do any of the documents released show Twitter discussing the laptop with the FBI? YES OR NO? If yes, show them.
I’ve asked you to provide actual evidence and you have refused to do so. That’s why I’m calling you a liar.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
#28108816 - 12/22/22 02:25 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Kryptos said: I would expect that the FBI had some opinions on Hunter Biden's dick pics, because posting those publicly without permission is, in fact, a federal crime.
You might expect that but there’s no documented evidence that happened. Considering these reporters had full access to communications, and they found nothing, it does appear that the FBI was not involved in anything of that sort
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