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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera] 2
#28098335 - 12/15/22 07:09 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Does anyone else think this “stalker attack” he keeps mentioning is entirely contrived and just exists as an excuse to ban the jet guy
Maybe I’m giving Musk too much credit. That’s a plan that requires at least 3 steps.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: The Ecstatic] 1
#28098347 - 12/15/22 07:27 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I don't think the idea is that far fetched, but of course it hasn't actually happened. Elon is just butt hurt the kid didn't take the $5k.
If you look into how the kid tracks these flights it is pretty impressive work. He uses all publicly available data, but a lot of it is anonymized. Then he cross references it with known data and is able to track flights specifically. It is actually quite a nice slap to the face of all these tech companies that claim they anonymize your data because it proves that's all bullshit. Though I doubt many people will see it that way.
I see Tesla stock is down like 50%, Elon just keeps winning.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
#28098350 - 12/15/22 07:28 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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The important thing here is that he’s triggering people.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28098354 - 12/15/22 07:36 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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He's the richest troll in the world. Aside from maybe, Putin, who gets to troll people with bombs and bullets.
With his Tesla losses Elon is down $50B there, plus the money he spent on Twitter, and the losses are going to keep on rolling in. He just loves free speech so much.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
#28098441 - 12/15/22 09:17 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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He sold another $4 billion in Tesla shares two days ago. That’s another $8 billion he’s put into Twitter in 45 days. All he needs is to sell a billion check marks and he’ll make that back
I reported these tweets for violating twitters policy against doxxing and using photos of people without their consent
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28098548 - 12/15/22 10:34 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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ElonJet had nothing to do with the so called attack. It tracks a jet. Not his son's car. I guess it made him paranoid though. Not paranoid enough to stop flying around in his private jet but paranoid enough to rewrite Twitter policy for his own ends.
He says there's going to be legal action against the people posting the data but he has no case whatsoever.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: The Ecstatic]
#28098858 - 12/15/22 02:15 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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The Ecstatic said: Does anyone else think this “stalker attack” he keeps mentioning is entirely contrived and just exists as an excuse to ban the jet guy
Maybe I’m giving Musk too much credit. That’s a plan that requires at least 3 steps.
That was one of the first things that occurred to me after reading the "stalk-tweet-notice-thingy" here on shroomery.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle] 1
#28098976 - 12/15/22 03:24 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: In the US it's not the government controlling Twitter, it doesn't have that power.
At least, they're not supposed to. But the Twitter files showed they were working with Twitter to let them know what they wanted censored.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28098981 - 12/15/22 03:28 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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"The Twitter when I led it and the Twitter of today do not meet any of these principles."
In other words, he let the government control Twitter, he removed too much content, and he didn't let people see what they want.
Make believe
You don't believe what Dorsey said? We now have evidence he was right about all of these things.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
#28098986 - 12/15/22 03:32 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: The Twitter Files keep upping the anti on nothing burgers. They forgot the bun this time.
Sounds like you're reading only the mainstream summaries, rather than the files themselves. See my summary post above.
These are not the files themselves. Stop lying about this. These are the summaries from the few reporters who've seen the actual files. You once again accuse others of doing what you yourself are doing. It's extremely dishonest.
The Twitter files include actual content between Twitter employees, not just summaries. Seems like you're the one who's lying. 
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I agree with Dorsey.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
#28098989 - 12/15/22 03:33 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: It's been such a nothing burger I haven't seen any "mainstream summaries."
You think the Government telling Twitter what they want censored is a "nothing burger"?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28099008 - 12/15/22 03:42 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: If he doesn't uncensor people like Garland Nixon, I'll admit I was wrong, but people are indeed coming back. As I said before, I wished he'd be clearer on his timeline.
Garland Nixon is back. It's happening...
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28099076 - 12/15/22 04:25 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: It's been such a nothing burger I haven't seen any "mainstream summaries."
You think the Government telling Twitter what they want censored is a "nothing burger"? 
Two tweets. That’s it.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28099081 - 12/15/22 04:26 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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koods said:
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"The Twitter when I led it and the Twitter of today do not meet any of these principles."
In other words, he let the government control Twitter, he removed too much content, and he didn't let people see what they want.
Make believe
You don't believe what Dorsey said? We now have evidence he was right about all of these things. 
Show me the part where Dorsey said anything about the government.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods] 1
#28099102 - 12/15/22 04:35 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I like Dorsey's perspective. He's very frank about the systemic issues with being a global company and the fact that hindsight really illustrates tough lessons. He's honestly giving Elon the best advice he could ever get about leading the company IMO.
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"The biggest mistake I made was continuing to invest in building tools for us to manage the public conversation, versus building tools for the people using Twitter to easily manage it for themselves. This burdened the company with too much power, and opened us to significant outside pressure (such as advertising budgets). I generally think companies have become far too powerful, and that became completely clear to me with our suspension of Trump’s account. As I’ve said before, we did the right thing for the public company business at the time, but the wrong thing for the internet and society."
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I continue to believe there was no ill intent or hidden agendas, and everyone acted according to the best information we had at the time. Of course mistakes were made. But if we had focused more on tools for the people using the service rather than tools for us, and moved much faster towards absolute transparency, we probably wouldn’t be in this situation of needing a fresh reset (which I am supportive of). Again, I own all of this and our actions, and all I can do is work to make it right.
Back to the principles. Of course governments want to shape and control the public conversation, and will use every method at their disposal to do so, including the media. And the power a corporation wields to do the same is only growing. It’s critical that the people have tools to resist this, and that those tools are ultimately owned by the people. Allowing a government or a few corporations to own the public conversation is a path towards centralized control.
But all signs point to Elon having no interest in transparency or letting lose the iron grip of control over the decision making process. Which Jack regrets having started as a process. Oh well.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28099110 - 12/15/22 04:38 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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koods said: Two tweets. That’s it.
Two tweets minimum. We know there were weekly meetings with the Government and there were likely many more.
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"The Twitter when I led it and the Twitter of today do not meet any of these principles."
In other words, he let the government control Twitter, he removed too much content, and he didn't let people see what they want.
Make believe
You don't believe what Dorsey said? We now have evidence he was right about all of these things. 
Show me the part where Dorsey said anything about the government.
I already did.
He said that social platforms "must be resilient to corporate and government control" and that Twitter when I led it did not meet any of these principles.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kickle]
#28099121 - 12/15/22 04:41 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Kickle said: ...all signs point to Elon having no interest in transparency or letting lose the iron grip of control over the decision making process.
What signs? I'm seeing the opposite with Elon releasing the Twitter files (transparency) and allowing a great many banned Twitter users back that are still banned from other platforms.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28099136 - 12/15/22 04:49 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Does Twitter have an NDA? Who is responsible for the company image and what information is released? Who threatened lawsuits?
He's making new rules that are at the core the same as the old rules -- twitter staff are responsible for the moderation.
Jack pointed out how advertisers influence policy when this is the case. Elon is still reliant on advertising revenue and will be subject to the same influences.
Dorsey himself has been critical of the way Elon is releasing this information. Asking an obvious question about the path to "transparancy".
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If the goal is transparency to build trust, why not just release everything without filter and let people judge for themselves? Including all discussions around current and future actions? Make everything public now.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28099139 - 12/15/22 04:50 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Two tweets minimum. We know there were weekly meetings with the Government and there were likely many more.
why don’t you just stick to the facts
Is Twitter going to release everything or just what fits Elons ideology?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28099161 - 12/15/22 04:59 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Twitter Files (among other moves by da musk) being released like they were leads me to believe it was done as an empty gesture to make the company seem like it was going a different direction under Musk's management.
imho, He overspent way too hard, and against his own better judgement, for him to relinquish control now. I can't even imagine what that would be like tbh. $44 Billion...for Twitter. It is truly mind boggling. Not that it makes much of an immediate difference to me since I don't and won't likely ever use it, but I hope I'm wrong anyways.
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