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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] 1
#28098077 - 12/14/22 11:06 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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No one is defending their decision to censor it.
This is the reality of the situation though. Twitter got a lot of criticism for letting disinformation spread before the 2016 election. It decided to implement policies to prevent it from happening in 2020 and it decided to get the information it needed to do that from the government because where else is going to come from? It wasn't because the government coerced them but because it made them look bad and scared the advertisers.
There's no evidence the government told them the laptop story was disinfornation. They uncensored the story shortly after and said it was mistake. We all heard about Hunter Biden's laptop endlessly during the election so there's reason to believe it affected anything other than their own reputation. It's hard to get worked up over something when those are the circumstances.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28098084 - 12/14/22 11:20 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28098087 - 12/14/22 11:26 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: No one is defending their decision to censor it.
This is the reality of the situation though. Twitter got a lot of criticism for letting disinformation spread before the 2016 election. It decided to implement policies to prevent it from happening in 2020 and it decided to get the information it needed to do that from the government because where else is going to come from? It wasn't because the government coerced them but because it made them look bad and scared the advertisers.
There's no evidence the government told them the laptop story was disinfornation. They uncensored the story shortly after and said it was mistake. We all heard about Hunter Biden's laptop endlessly during the election so there's reason to believe it affected anything other than their own reputation. It's hard to get worked up over something when those are the circumstances.
There’s no evidence Twitter made decisions about the laptop under impression it was Russian disinformation. They clearly tried to consider the laptop files hacked because they were private electronic files that ended up in someone else’s hands.
And most of the actions Twitter took against users concerning the laptop were the “revenge porn” type violations - people tweeting Hunter Biden pics.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28098118 - 12/14/22 11:58 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Misinformation about elections or the voting process can be illegal
Except when Hillary Clinton & Adam Schiff repeatedly claim the 2016 election was stolen by Russia
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28098119 - 12/15/22 12:00 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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This Elonjet situation is getting ugly. Musk is blaming the college kid who runs that account for getting his kid stalked last night. That’s why the sudden take down of the account and the after-the-fact change in policy. Musk said he’s taking legal action against this poor kid. It’s grotesque. Musk is not a good person at all. I think we are very fortunate that he can never be president.
This stuff is so ridiculous. He banned the account, then unbanned it, and then banned it again I don't see what he thinks this is going to accomplish. It's posted on elsewhere so all people have to do if they want to find his jet is go to one of the platforms that allow free speech.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28098124 - 12/15/22 12:04 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Elon's jet tracker isn't going anywhere.  Not as if the dude who made/runs it is banned from the internet as a whole.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28098127 - 12/15/22 12:08 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I bet he’s fired by Tesla within the month
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28098140 - 12/15/22 12:21 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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This stuff is so ridiculous.
Elon's trolling is getting some wonderfullly wild reactions.
Let's all continue to focus on this terrible dumb man!
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#28098144 - 12/15/22 12:23 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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It’s an amazing spectacle.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28098155 - 12/15/22 12:32 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Jack Dorsey apologizes for his Twitter-moderation choices, saying he did the wrong thing for the internet and society
https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-dorsey-twitter-wrong-thing-for-the-internet-and-society-2022-12
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods] 1
#28098160 - 12/15/22 12:35 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I love how his solution is to give up his committment to free speech rather than give up his private jet and travel with the peasants.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28098166 - 12/15/22 12:46 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Elon Musk is dumber than Clarence Thomas, Steve Bannon, Doctor Oz, Joe Rogan, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Captain Kangaroo. He is a very very stupid person. And a bad human being.
He's a gigantic THREAT TO DEMOCRACY!!!
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28098174 - 12/15/22 01:21 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I love how his solution is to give up his committment to free speech rather than give up his private jet and travel with the peasants.
You misread (or didn't read) the article (or maybe I misunderstood your point).
He said that social platforms "must be resilient to corporate and government control," that "only the original author may remove content they produce," and that "moderation is best implemented by algorithmic choice."
"The Twitter when I led it and the Twitter of today do not meet any of these principles."
In other words, he let the government control Twitter, he removed too much content, and he didn't let people see what they want.
He said he's a fan of Elon Musk's takeover, and called for Elon to release the Twitter files.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28098203 - 12/15/22 02:44 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I was talking about Elon's solution. If he's so paranoid that public information about his private jet is being shared he should stop using it.
In the US it's not the government controlling Twitter, it doesn't have that power. It's the advertisers doing it. They don't want their ads associated with certain kinds of content and so that content is prohibited. Complying with their demands is a matter of survival for the company.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28098218 - 12/15/22 03:23 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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"The Twitter when I led it and the Twitter of today do not meet any of these principles."
In other words, he let the government control Twitter, he removed too much content, and he didn't let people see what they want.
Make believe
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28098246 - 12/15/22 04:29 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: The Twitter Files keep upping the anti on nothing burgers. They forgot the bun this time.
Sounds like you're reading only the mainstream summaries, rather than the files themselves. See my summary post above.
These are not the files themselves. Stop lying about this. These are the summaries from the few reporters who've seen the actual files. You once again accuse others of doing what you yourself are doing. It's extremely dishonest. https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-dorsey-twitter-files-wikileaks-style-elon-musk-2022-12?amp
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28098250 - 12/15/22 04:40 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: The Twitter Files keep upping the anti on nothing burgers. They forgot the bun this time.
Sounds like you're reading only the mainstream summaries, rather than the files themselves. See my summary post above.
It's been such a nothing burger I haven't seen any "mainstream summaries." Luckily it isn't hard to read 30 tweets with 280 or less characters. Whenever they manage to release information that would satisfy a 10th grade english paper I will be impressed though. That's just how low they have set the bar.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
#28098253 - 12/15/22 04:43 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: The Twitter Files keep upping the anti on nothing burgers. They forgot the bun this time.
Sounds like you're reading only the mainstream summaries, rather than the files themselves. See my summary post above.
These are not the files themselves. Stop lying about this. These are the summaries from the few reporters who've seen the actual files. You once again accuse others of doing what you yourself are doing. It's extremely dishonest. https://www.businessinsider.com/jack-dorsey-twitter-files-wikileaks-style-elon-musk-2022-12?amp
So more or less, Dorsey is saying that the "files" have been released to people Elon believes will treat the information favorably. Now there is some censorship we should be concerned about.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28098259 - 12/15/22 04:50 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: I was talking about Elon's solution. If he's so paranoid that public information about his private jet is being shared he should stop using it.
In the US it's not the government controlling Twitter, it doesn't have that power. It's the advertisers doing it. They don't want their ads associated with certain kinds of content and so that content is prohibited. Complying with their demands is a matter of survival for the company.
The jet tracking information is public information produced by the FAA. That kid just set up a way for it to automatically tweet it. Elon banned the kid because back in January Elon had sent the kid a DM and offered him $5k to shut the account down. The kid wanted $50k. So now he's banned. It only cost Elon $44B to make it happen.
Classic rich guy tactics. He sure does love free speech.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
#28098306 - 12/15/22 06:28 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Elon has banned sharing people's locations. The app tracks your location. Elon lost it because publicly available information was being shared.
This is going well. Super villain Elon has emerged.
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