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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
#28096870 - 12/14/22 06:21 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Musk is gonna get fired. Tesla stock is now clearly suffering due to his antics. Major class action lawsuit in the pipeline about the fact that Tesla has been promising fully self driving cars for seven years, people are paying $15,000 for the option, and the cars are no where near being able to drive themselves. Some of the self driving functionality has actually been removed recently. There doesn’t seem to be any pathway to regulatory approval of self driving Teslas either.

Twitter has stopped paying the rent on some of its office leases and hasn't paid numerous other vendors since Elon Musk acquired the company in late October
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
#28096887 - 12/14/22 06:39 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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If someone had told me Twitter addiction was a thing, I'd have laughed. Now it's all too clear it's real and it's destroying the man... which is fine with me. I never liked him. How much money did he squander on that Hyperloop BS and how much was not even his but investors that he conned into thinking he knew better than actual engineers?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28096958 - 12/14/22 07:58 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Lol what a shit show
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28097183 - 12/14/22 12:17 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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And just in case anyone has any allusions that this was just about safety concerns, this is another account run by the same guy that tracks Bezos. Still operating

And now the guy that runs these accounts has been suspended. Fucking pathetic

Falcon u ready to admit you were wrong?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28097505 - 12/14/22 04:53 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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No, see, give it some time for things to get figured out and I'm sure those bans will be reversed promptly. Otherwise, this would be greatly troubling.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
#28097513 - 12/14/22 04:57 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Twitter files...bankruptcy .
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: The Blind Ass]
#28097904 - 12/14/22 08:31 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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It's the new policy. You can't share the location of another person. Just think of implications of that and how little thought must have gone into it. It says nothing about sharing the location of a jet so technically it shouldn't even apply
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28097919 - 12/14/22 08:35 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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What do you think about the Twitter files, where we now know beyond a doubt that the FBI was meeting with Twitter regularly and telling them what they wanted censored?
Source or make believe?
Just provide one example of an account or tweet that was censored due to a request from the FBI.
I guess the lamestream news is staying quiet on this, while alternative sources such as Jimmy Dore and Russel Brand are filling people in.
Here's a few outtakes from Part 3.
Yoel Roth admitted working with the FBI was something that needed to be kept quiet: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601359872528101376
When explaining how Twitter detects 'misinformation', they considered saying "partnerships with outside experts", but then said "not sure we’d describe the FBI/DHS as experts." https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601364081864495104
Twitter admitted it had weekly meetings with the Government who wanted them to block the Biden laptop story, and after that created a shitstorm for Twitter, the Government never bothered to tell Twitter why the story should to be blocked. https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601365295763193856
Twitter even responded to a request from the FBI to have two tweets removed, even though one of them about votes being rejected was actually true: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601366882938126336
To downplay the news, Twitter slapped a label on it per after being flagged by the FBI. https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601367192033189889
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koods said: According to what we’ve seen so far, the only government entity that managed to convince Twitter to take down tweets was the Trump White House.
You're referring to Part 1. Heres what they said in Part 3: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601367426129543169
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koods said: It seems that the FBI was mainly concerned with election integrity.
No. As noted above, they wanted a true Tweet censored, and they also wanted the Biden laptop story censored.
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koods said: Do you consider Twitter taking down illegal tweets censorship?
No, I think Twitter has to take down illegal Tweets, but they censored true Tweets about the election at the request of the Government.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28097926 - 12/14/22 08:39 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: Revelation? It's not like this was some kind of secret.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/09/05/Facebook-Google-Twitter-meet-with-FBI-DHS-for-2020-election-strategy/9781567682861/
I'm so tired of the spin.
That story only talks about how they should protect themselves from Russia, not how they should protect themselves from the Government. You're trying too hard to spin the story.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
#28097937 - 12/14/22 08:44 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: The Twitter Files keep upping the anti on nothing burgers. They forgot the bun this time.
Sounds like you're reading only the mainstream summaries, rather than the files themselves. See my summary post above.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28097989 - 12/14/22 09:31 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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koods said:
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What do you think about the Twitter files, where we now know beyond a doubt that the FBI was meeting with Twitter regularly and telling them what they wanted censored?
Source or make believe?
Just provide one example of an account or tweet that was censored due to a request from the FBI.
I guess the lamestream news is staying quiet on this, while alternative sources such as Jimmy Dore and Russel Brand are filling people in.
Here's a few outtakes from Part 3.
Yoel Roth admitted working with the FBI was something that needed to be kept quiet: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601359872528101376
When explaining how Twitter detects 'misinformation', they considered saying "partnerships with outside experts", but then said "not sure we’d describe the FBI/DHS as experts." https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601364081864495104
Twitter admitted it had weekly meetings with the Government who wanted them to block the Biden laptop story, and after that created a shitstorm for Twitter, the Government never bothered to tell Twitter why the story should to be blocked. https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601365295763193856
Twitter even responded to a request from the FBI to have two tweets removed, even though one of them about votes being rejected was actually true: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601366882938126336
To downplay the news, Twitter slapped a label on it per after being flagged by the FBI. https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601367192033189889
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koods said: According to what we’ve seen so far, the only government entity that managed to convince Twitter to take down tweets was the Trump White House.
You're referring to Part 1. Heres what they said in Part 3: https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1601367426129543169
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koods said: It seems that the FBI was mainly concerned with election integrity.
No. As noted above, they wanted a true Tweet censored, and they also wanted the Biden laptop story censored.
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koods said: Do you consider Twitter taking down illegal tweets censorship?
No, I think Twitter has to take down illegal Tweets, but they censored true Tweets about the election at the request of the Government.
So there was a total of ONE tweet about shredded ballots that the FBI flagged as misinformation which Twitter agreed to remove. That’s it?
Yesterday you said the government was involved in the Hunter Laptop story. I’ve asked to you provide the source for this claim and you have failed. On the contrary your source quotes Roth as saying about the laptop “the government failed to share anything useful when asked.”
You gonna keep on lying about this?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28097995 - 12/14/22 09:34 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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So why do you think Twitter decided to uncensor the story? Do you think the government changed it's mind and reversed it's unspoken command to censor it or do you think the Twitter employees realized they mistook it story for hacked information like it says in the Twitter files, reversed the decision, and then apologized?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28098002 - 12/14/22 09:40 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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christopera said: The Twitter Files keep upping the anti on nothing burgers. They forgot the bun this time.
Sounds like you're reading only the mainstream summaries, rather than the files themselves. See my summary post above.
We are all reading the same original source material as you. Your summaries are not faithful to the tweets
And I’ll ask again? What were the requests made by the Trump White House and which ones were granted? This curated narrative from Taibbi is pretty light on actual facts
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28098012 - 12/14/22 09:47 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: So why do you think Twitter decided to uncensor the story? Do you think the government changed it's mind and reversed it's unspoken command to censor it or do you think the Twitter employees realized they mistook it story for hacked information like it says in the Twitter files, reversed the decision, and then apologized?
Reading through all the information released by Taibbi et al, there is nothing indicating the government had any input into the laptop story whatsoever
Here Yoel Roth says very explicitly that the government offered no useful information about the laptop.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28098026 - 12/14/22 09:59 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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This Elonjet situation is getting ugly. Musk is blaming the college kid who runs that account for getting his kid stalked last night. That’s why the sudden take down of the account and the after-the-fact change in policy. Musk said he’s taking legal action against this poor kid. It’s grotesque. Musk is not a good person at all. I think we are very fortunate that he can never be president.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kizzle]
#28098032 - 12/14/22 10:05 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: So why do you think Twitter decided to uncensor the story? Do you think the government changed it's mind and reversed it's unspoken command to censor it or do you think the Twitter employees realized they mistook it story for hacked information like it says in the Twitter files, reversed the decision, and then apologized?
I think Twitter trusted the government that it was Russian disinformation, as they had been given prior warning about it, but then they realized it was a true story when people like Tony Bobulinski confirmed emails from the laptop were real.
This is just getting weird. First, people defend censorship by the giant social media companies saying private companies have a right to censor as long as government isn't involved.
Now people are saying government telling them what to censor is ok, as long as they weren't 'forced' to censor anything.
I don't know about you guys, but if I were grilled by Congress to ensure no disinformation was put out, I'd probably obey them if they told me to censor something.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28098038 - 12/14/22 10:10 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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I think Twitter trusted the government that it was Russian disinformation, as they had been given warning about it, but then they realized it was a true story when people like Tony Bobulinski confirmed emails from the laptop were real.
Total make believe. According to the Twitter files, it doesnt appear that the government had any role in twitters decisions re: the laptop.
In TF#1, Taibbi said there is no evidence the government was involved in the laptop. Additionally we have Roths message saying the government “declined” to assist him when he asked the FBI for info.
You’re gonna have to let it go. The fbi didn’t try to suppress the laptop story.
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I don't know about you guys, but if I were grilled by Congress to ensure no disinformation was put out, I'd probably obey them if they told me to censor something.
Make believe. Nothing in the Twitter Files suggesting Twitter felt under duress.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28098056 - 12/14/22 10:30 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28098065 - 12/14/22 10:40 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I think Twitter trusted the government that it was Russian disinformation, as they had been given warning about it, but then they realized it was a true story when people like Tony Bobulinski confirmed emails from the laptop were real.
Total make believe. According to the Twitter files, it doesnt appear that the government had any role in twitters decisions re: the laptop.
In TF#1, Taibbi said there is no evidence the government was involved in the laptop. Additionally we have Roths message saying the government “declined” to assist him when he asked the FBI for info.
You’re gonna have to let it go. The fbi didn’t try to suppress the laptop story.
We have very different interpretations of what was said, but what is CERTAIN, is that even if the Government didn't suppress the laptop story, they were heavily involved in suppressing many stories at Twitter. But I feel there is evidence they were involved in the laptop story.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28098069 - 12/14/22 10:48 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Different interpretations of this?

We don’t know what they suppressed. We know of those two tweets, and that’s it. You’re make believing and you’re embarrassing yourself.
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