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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28028316 - 11/01/22 05:47 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I thought you were against disinformation. You are very confusing



Correct, but the disinformation board wanted to censor truthful facts about the Urkraine war and other things.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28028324 - 11/01/22 05:51 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Falcon, don’t worry. As long as you write your lies in the form of a question, you’ll still get away with it.



What lie have I told?  Or are you just make believing again?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28028332 - 11/01/22 05:55 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Why do you consider this form of censorship a negative when practiced by the US state, but a positive when practiced by the Russian state?



My complaint is that the US is banning news that turns out to be truthful.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028340 - 11/01/22 05:57 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I thought you were against disinformation. You are very confusing



Correct, but the disinformation board wanted to censor truthful facts about the Urkraine war and other things.




It’s a special military operation you liar


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028368 - 11/01/22 06:12 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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My complaint is that the US is banning news that turns out to be truthful.



Any specific examples?

Keep in mind your prior-stated opinion on this matter:
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I've explained it already, and also said it's something a court would decide.  Does a court always get things right?  No, not always, but should we get rid of court system for that reason?




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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28028375 - 11/01/22 06:17 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Any specific examples?



See bullet #3


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028405 - 11/01/22 06:28 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

Discussions are unacceptable. The government should have shut Facebook down like they did in Russia. That way there’s no censorship. Just an outright ban.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028408 - 11/01/22 06:29 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

That's a general list - "things like the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines, racial justice, U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, U.S. support to Ukraine, and Hunter Biden’s laptop" could refer to a multitude of truths and/or falsehoods.

What specific examples do you refer to?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28028815 - 11/01/22 11:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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Discussions are unacceptable. The government should have shut Facebook down like they did in Russia. That way there’s no censorship. Just an outright ban.



They shut down Facebook because Facebook allowed people to call for the killing of Russians.  :shake:


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28028818 - 11/01/22 11:58 PM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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That's a general list - "things like the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines, racial justice, U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, U.S. support to Ukraine, and Hunter Biden’s laptop" could refer to a multitude of truths and/or falsehoods.

What specific examples do you refer to?



These have all been discussed at length here.

Let's take "support" for Ukraine.  Scott Ritter got banned from Twitter for that (I put "support" in quotes, because he like myself, he didn't actually support Russia, he was just a truth teller).

Twitter was like, DURRR, you must be a Russian puppet if you don't go along with the Western propaganda.

That's been fixed.  Scott Ritter is back on Twitter since Elon Must took over.  Free speech.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028911 - 11/02/22 03:00 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

How is that an example of "the US is banning news that turns out to be truthful"? Your post doesn't include the role played by the US state, nor does it present a court determination that would establish the banned content as truthful*.


*According to your previously stated thoughts on establishing truth.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28028989 - 11/02/22 05:52 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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That's a general list - "things like the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines, racial justice, U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, U.S. support to Ukraine, and Hunter Biden’s laptop" could refer to a multitude of truths and/or falsehoods.

What specific examples do you refer to?



These have all been discussed at length here.

Let's take "support" for Ukraine.  Scott Ritter got banned from Twitter for that (I put "support" in quotes, because he like myself, he didn't actually support Russia, he was just a truth teller)..




Holy fuck you’re completely full of shit.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28028998 - 11/02/22 06:06 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The point really is that it doesn't matter if Twitter and Facebook used DHS to help moderate and police their forums, that is because they own the content and wanted to do it. Anybody can walk away from these platforms at any time and their life will probably be improved.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera] * 1
    #28029034 - 11/02/22 07:10 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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The point really is that it doesn't matter if Twitter and Facebook used DHS to help moderate and police their forums, that is because they own the content and wanted to do it. Anybody can walk away from these platforms at any time and their life will probably be improved.





It does matter when it's our tax dollars paying for a private, inessential, useless company that should be paying out of pocket to private citizens to do the same job


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28029059 - 11/02/22 07:28 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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So much for Trump being a champion of free speech, lol



What does that mean?  Can you explain?
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Trump is the one who signed that law into effect




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But that video you posted....lol...dude...you watch some real crazy shit.




So Steve Turley's a big fat poo poo head ('crazy shit') is all you got?  That's about as much insight as I've come to expect from you lately.

For those interested, here is some of the 'crazy shit' Steve Turley discussed:

1)  Twitter's CEO said "Our role is NOT to be bound by the First Amendment, but our role is to serve a healthy public conversation..."  "The kinds of things that we do about this is, focus less on thinking about free speech, but thinking about how the times have changed."

2)  The Board of Twitter was fired because Elon Musk said he had just cause.  They deliberately hid evidence (regarding the number of spam bots) from the court and provided fraudulent metrics

And MOST IMPORTANTLY:

3)  Twitter and Facebook had regular meetings with DHS on deliberately censoring information regarding things like the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines, racial justice, U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan, U.S. support to Ukraine, and Hunter Biden’s laptop.

Now, if anyone doesn't have a problem with this, then please feel free to discuss, but "crazy shit" really isn't a thoughtful response.



That video is pure conspiracy nutter bullshit.  He must have said "deep state" 50 times in that thing


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28029060 - 11/02/22 07:32 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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If there was no question, it wouldn't be in court. Courts are designed to sort out questions. That's their whole job.



Enlil is that true?  If something is obvious we're allowed to skip court?



Courts are definitely created and purposed with answering questions to which the answers are disputed.  I don't know the context of this particular issue


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28029068 - 11/02/22 07:37 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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I thought you were against disinformation. You are very confusing



Correct, but the disinformation board wanted to censor truthful facts about the Urkraine war and other things.



"wanted." I have zero issue with facebook or any other private forum choosing what content they want to publish, but I have a big problem with the government doing it.  Do you have any evidence that this "disinformation board" actually succeeded in censoring anything?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Tulipslave] * 1
    #28029079 - 11/02/22 07:45 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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The point really is that it doesn't matter if Twitter and Facebook used DHS to help moderate and police their forums, that is because they own the content and wanted to do it. Anybody can walk away from these platforms at any time and their life will probably be improved.





It does matter when it's our tax dollars paying for a private, inessential, useless company that should be paying out of pocket to private citizens to do the same job




I haven't seen anything that says Facebook or Twitter weren't paying for those services. I do agree that these are private, useless, inessential companies though. That's why I say to walk away from them. Of course some people like them, and that is okay, but there is certainly no need to use them. You will survive just fine, likely happier, without it.

That said, this entire thread pretty well misrepresents what actually happened. Another instance where Fal doesn't understand the internet. Facebook and Twitter provided a portal that DHS and other orgs could access if they wanted. They did this because they wanted the help, but they never demanded it, and the DHS never demanded it either. It's not unlike me offering you a nice dinner at my house. You can take it, you can leave it. That said, there is absolutely no protections on free speech on private property. Do you think you can walk into a shopping mall with a "Fuck Joe Biden" sign and not get kicked out? Of course you'd get the boot.

The internet is not the space you think it is if you think these places have or should have your best interests in mind.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
    #28029087 - 11/02/22 07:50 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

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The point really is that it doesn't matter if Twitter and Facebook used DHS to help moderate and police their forums, that is because they own the content and wanted to do it. Anybody can walk away from these platforms at any time and their life will probably be improved.





It does matter when it's our tax dollars paying for a private, inessential, useless company that should be paying out of pocket to private citizens to do the same job




I haven't seen anything that says Facebook or Twitter weren't paying for those services. I do agree that these are private, useless, inessential companies though. That's why I say to walk away from them. Of course some people like them, and that is okay, but there is certainly no need to use them. You will survive just fine, likely happier, without it.

That said, this entire thread pretty well misrepresents what actually happened. Another instance where Fal doesn't understand the internet. Facebook and Twitter provided a portal that DHS and other orgs could access if they wanted. They did this because they wanted the help, but they never demanded it, and the DHS never demanded it either. It's not unlike me offering you a nice dinner at my house. You can take it, you can leave it. That said, there is absolutely no protections on free speech on private property. Do you think you can walk into a shopping mall with a "Fuck Joe Biden" sign and not get kicked out? Of course you'd get the boot.

The internet is not the space you think it is if you think these places have or should have your best interests in mind.





Thanks for clarifying those details. It helps. :thumbup:


Regardless, if DHS is perusing the information, it's still man hours to assess data and refine algos,  etc...in some form.or fashion, taxpayer dollars are being spent.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Tulipslave]
    #28029104 - 11/02/22 08:13 AM (1 year, 2 months ago)

The bad news is that the DHS and NSA and various orgs already blow tax payer money to fuck you over. It doesn't matter if it is Facebook or Twitter.


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