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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28078407 - 12/01/22 04:22 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Twitter may go away like an old version of AOL. Da free market. I never been on the Twitter.
An honest question, will it be replaced by another echo chamber or are people "moving past" this type of social media?
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Edited by SirTripAlot (12/01/22 04:23 PM)
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot] 1
#28078549 - 12/01/22 06:09 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: feevers]
#28078575 - 12/01/22 06:21 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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So many lefty accounts getting banned for being critical of musk. Falcon is so gullible.
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SirTripAlot
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: feevers]
#28078612 - 12/01/22 06:46 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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The only Mastodon I know is the band, that I have seen and those hairy beasts. Danks for the suggestion but I am not cool enough for that.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28078628 - 12/01/22 06:52 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Idk what it actually is I just heard that a bunch of people who leave Twitter are going there now
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shivas.wisdom
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: feevers]
#28078686 - 12/01/22 07:34 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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It's essentially a decentralized form of social media. Instead of a single corporation, Mastodon allows individual users to host a server, while allowing each server to still communicate with other servers on the Mastadon network.
One benefit: each server provides its own rules moderation, rather than one corporation making all those decisions. Each server is also able to decide which other servers it will communicate with - this means that the worse content can still be excluded (even if hosting its own server) if the community at large refuses to communicate with it. Gab, if any of you recall that cesspool, was technically on the Mastodon network but still excluded for all purposes. In my opinion, this is the best solution between corporate censorship and rampant hate speech.
One negative: this means it's not as simple as going to mastodon.com and signing up - you need to find a specific server or host your own. Pretty similar social media experience beyond that, though.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: SirTripAlot]
#28078918 - 12/01/22 11:11 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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SirTripAlot said: Twitter may go away like an old version of AOL. Da free market. I never been on the Twitter.
An honest question, will it be replaced by another echo chamber or are people "moving past" this type of social media?
Twitter is less of an echo chamber compared to, say, here. It's the same half dozen people beating on each other with verbal sticks.
On Twitter, one could presumably bludgeon thousands, nay, millions.
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Based on this mastodon response, I'm guessing even more compartmentalized. As Shivas said, servers will form their own little blacklists and such. Sounds like a cross between reddit and discord. I guess that's not terrible? I mean, r/conservative exists, and it is pretty well walled off from the outside world. I imagine something similar will happen here.
And then everyone will just use tik tok. It's like Twitter, but you also gotta be hot. It's like the upgrade from radio to tv.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Kryptos]
#28078923 - 12/01/22 11:18 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Edited by koods (12/02/22 12:25 AM)
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
#28078941 - 12/01/22 11:47 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Free speech is messy
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Edited by koods (12/01/22 11:48 PM)
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: feevers]
#28079034 - 12/02/22 02:43 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Once again, let's see if his account gets reinstated after Twitter amnesty.
Why do you hate free speech? Why are you actively supporting twitter deciding what people can and cannot say? You sir, are a communist.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
#28079335 - 12/02/22 09:42 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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When is that general amnesty supposed to occur? Elon said "next week" on November 24th - it's now eight days later and the big news today is that Kanye is banned from Twitter again, despite neither breaking the law or engaging in egregious spam (Elon's two explicitly stated exemptions).
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#28079339 - 12/02/22 09:44 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Actually, Kanye's post did break the law in several countries.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil]
#28079346 - 12/02/22 09:57 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Yeah that's probably true, but goes to show how even Elon's 'reasonable' limits on free expression aren't reasonable when brought to an absolute. How does that standard hold up when countries often have conflicting notions of criminality and expression?
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#28079376 - 12/02/22 10:29 AM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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The only standard that matters is the one that Elon chooses. It's his platform, so whatever arbitrary line he draws is the line.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil]
#28079575 - 12/02/22 01:02 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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For sure; but free speech absolutism it's not.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#28079740 - 12/02/22 02:40 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: For sure; but free speech absolutism it's not.
More importantly it's even less free than when he took over.and even easier to impersonate people.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
#28079803 - 12/02/22 03:25 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Relevant:
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
#28079865 - 12/02/22 04:03 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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shivas.wisdom said: For sure; but free speech absolutism it's not.
This is where we disagree. It is Elon exercising his absolute right to choose what speech he sponsors.
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil]
#28079944 - 12/02/22 04:37 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Enlil]
#28079962 - 12/02/22 04:47 PM (1 year, 5 months ago) |
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We don't have the absolute right to choose what speech we sponsor - Elon isn't free to sponsor certain prohibited forms of illegal content, for example. Besides - even if he could - 'free speech absolutism' is usually in reference to no restrictions on a societal level, rather than the individual level.
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