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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28071869 - 11/27/22 04:57 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Read that outloud and you are going realize how ridiculous you sound.



I missed it.  Maybe you can help explain the ridiculous part?




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I don't supporti Russian censorship, I simply stated that it's better for Russia to block intentionally fake news than for the US to block real news.





So you don’t support Russia censoring western news sources? Yes or no, because you seem to only defend it.

What news is the US blocking exactly? I mean, Sputnik news is still on the air here in DC. 24/7 Russian propaganda on the FM dial. I don’t see the US doing a fucking thing about it despite laws that supposedly makes broadcasting foreign propaganda illegal


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28071879 - 11/27/22 05:03 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I would totally listen to Sputnik news if it was on the radio here. I bet it's entertaining.

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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28072050 - 11/27/22 06:53 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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christopera said:
Read that outloud and you are going realize how ridiculous you sound.



I missed it.  Maybe you can help explain the ridiculous part?




Not even a single thought on how you might be logically inconsistent? Nothing on the difference between private industry and government owned media? Nothing on believing in censorship but not believing in it?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28072152 - 11/27/22 07:48 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Twitter banning people who violate the TOS is bad, but Russia banning Twitter entirely is good.



Where did I say either of those things?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28072160 - 11/27/22 07:53 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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So how do you know they censored more of that content?  Any sources or is this all anecdotal?



Ever planning on answering this?



I answered here.




Are you going to answer the question or not? How do you know they censored more conservative content? Show us the facts.



Are you going to answer the question Falcon?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28072178 - 11/27/22 08:01 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Maybe you can help explain the ridiculous part?




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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
I don't supporti Russian censorship, I simply stated that it's better for Russia to block intentionally fake news than for the US to block real news.





So you don’t support Russia censoring western news sources? Yes or no, because you seem to only defend it.



No, I don't support it, unless they promote violence against Russians or other such activity.

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What news is the US blocking exactly? I mean, Sputnik news is still on the air here in DC. 24/7 Russian propaganda on the FM dial. I don’t see the US doing a fucking thing about it despite laws that supposedly makes broadcasting foreign propaganda illegal



I've been complaining about private censorship of content for a long time, and all you guys have been arguing that you support censorship because... free speech.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
    #28072187 - 11/27/22 08:07 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I answered here.



Are you going to answer the question or not? How do you know they censored more conservative content? Show us the facts.



Are you going to answer the question Falcon?



I answered here.



And you still haven't answered my question.  "Is it a really stretch to believe that conservative content creators who were banned created conservative content?"

But ok, here's a study which confirms what I said.  It says more conservative content is banned due to more 'misinformation', but a lot of that 'misinformation' has turned out to be correct.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
    #28072202 - 11/27/22 08:18 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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christopera said:
Read that outloud and you are going realize how ridiculous you sound.



I missed it.  Maybe you can help explain the ridiculous part?



Not even a single thought on how you might be logically inconsistent?



Nope.  Please help me out.  :popcorn:

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Nothing on the difference between private industry and government owned media?



I'm against censorship of content where the public is freely allowed to post content with both government and private media.

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Nothing on believing in censorship but not believing in it?



I only believe in censorship in cases that include fraud, child pornography, threats, defamation, etc.  Hope that helps.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28072210 - 11/27/22 08:23 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

You aren't against censorship when it involves blowing people up?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28072213 - 11/27/22 08:25 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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And you still haven't answered my question.  "Is it a really stretch to believe that conservative content creators who were banned created conservative content?"





You never asked me this question.  Obviously it is not a stretch.  Just like you, conservatives on Twitter have a penchant for sharing bad information.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #28072224 - 11/27/22 08:30 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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But ok, here's a study which confirms what I said.  It says more conservative content is banned due to more 'misinformation', but a lot of that 'misinformation' has turned out to be correct.



Where in study does it say that the misinformation shared turned out later to be correct?

:canthelpbutlaugh:  This study shows exactly what I worte before, conservaties have a bad habit of sharing shit information, even when evaluated by other conservatives. :rofldrunk:

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In sum, these data indicate that thetendency of Twitter users to share links to misinformation sites prior to the 2020 US election was as predictive of post-election suspension as partisanship or ideology –because users who were Republican/conservative were much more likely to share low quality  information  than  users  who  were  Democratic/liberal.  This  was  true  when  using  a misinformation sharing measure generated by politically-balanced groups of laypeople, who –byvirtue of weighting Democrats and Republicans equally when constructing the ratings –inherentlycannot be accused of having an anti-conservative bias




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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
    #28072229 - 11/27/22 08:32 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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You aren't against censorship when it involves blowing people up?



:lolwut:

I don't know what you're even talking about.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
    #28072236 - 11/27/22 08:36 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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here's a study which confirms what I said.



This study shows exactly what I worte before, conservaties have a bad habit of sharing shit information, even when evaluated by other conservatives.



Except Trump wasn't illegally working with Russia on election interference, many Fauci COVID stories DID turn out to be misinformation, and the main point is that I don't think debate about these things should be censored like you seem to.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9] * 1
    #28072243 - 11/27/22 08:40 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I also got a laugh out of this part:

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These results do not support the widespread accusations of anti-conservative bias on the part of social media companies – although, of course, the results also do not disprove these accusations. Instead, they emphasize the near impossibility of determining whether observations of partisan asymmetries in enforcement are due to political bias by the platform or differential levels of problematic behavior by the users. Assuming that imbalanced enforce is due to partisan bias will stifle attempts to combat misinformation.





Says he's against misinformation, regardless of 'political sides' - but misrepresents a study in order to push his belief favouring a political side which, according to the same study, is a belief that negatively impacts honest attempts to combat misinformation.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: shivas.wisdom]
    #28072372 - 11/27/22 11:36 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

There is no misrepresentation.  The report DID claim there were asymmetries in censorship, which is exactly what I claimed.

But the report said it wasn't able to determine if those asymmetries were the result of political bias or problematic behavior.

I'm saying it doesn't matter because arguing against the establishment narrative shouldn't be considered 'problematic behavior' in the first place, and we've clearly seen a lot of censorship of that nature.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28072439 - 11/28/22 01:10 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Twitter banning people who violate the TOS is bad, but Russia banning Twitter entirely is good.



Where did I say either of those things?




You’ve repeatedly defended Russia banning western social media. Now you will tell us that you never endorsed it, just that it was something russia needed to do - which is a weird take from someone who boasts about his advocacy of free speech.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28072443 - 11/28/22 01:20 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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here's a study which confirms what I said.



This study shows exactly what I worte before, conservaties have a bad habit of sharing shit information, even when evaluated by other conservatives.



Except Trump wasn't illegally working with Russia on election interference, many Fauci COVID stories DID turn out to be misinformation, and the main point is that I don't think debate about these things should be censored like you seem to.




They aren’t censored


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28072446 - 11/28/22 01:27 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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There is no misrepresentation.  The report DID claim there were asymmetries in censorship, which is exactly what I claimed.

But the report said it wasn't able to determine if those asymmetries were the result of political bias or problematic behavior.

I'm saying it doesn't matter because arguing against the establishment narrative shouldn't be considered 'problematic behavior' in the first place, and we've clearly seen a lot of censorship of that nature.




Have we? You make this claim repeatedly and I think it’s about time you come with receipts.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28072521 - 11/28/22 05:29 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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here's a study which confirms what I said.



This study shows exactly what I worte before, conservaties have a bad habit of sharing shit information, even when evaluated by other conservatives.



Except Trump wasn't illegally working with Russia on election interference, many Fauci COVID stories DID turn out to be misinformation, and the main point is that I don't think debate about these things should be censored like you seem to.



You need to read the methodology section of that report then.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28072830 - 11/28/22 11:24 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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koods said:
Twitter banning people who violate the TOS is bad, but Russia banning Twitter entirely is good.



Where did I say either of those things?



You’ve repeatedly defended Russia banning western social media. Now you will tell us that you never endorsed it, just that it was something russia needed to do - which is a weird take from someone who boasts about his advocacy of free speech.



Correct, I think it is ok for Russia to ban Social Media outlets that don't censor calls for violence and advocate the killing of Russian citizens.


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