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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
    #28067506 - 11/24/22 01:33 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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The crazy thing is that it has been proven time and time again that Twitter wasn't favoring the left in anyway, in fact probably the opposite.



No it hasn't.  Just because you read an article that says so doesn't make it true.  Twitter has censored tons of right leaning articles with true news (about the war in Ukraine for example), while allowing tons of articles of fake news from the left (about the war in Ukraine for example).  This is apparent to anyone using the services, and I've been complaining about it for a long time, but people like you have been telling me they're a private company and can censor what they like.

Fair enough, but censorship is hugely decreasing on Twitter.  Maybe not completely, as The Ecstatic pointed out.  They still block hate speech as before, but it's gotten a LOT better.  They've even allowed Trump back.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28067528 - 11/24/22 01:51 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Yep.  Twitter was actually promoting algorithmically "right" content.



It promotes "right" content to users its algorithm thinks are already "right".

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It's really only the kool-aid drinkers out there that lack the critical capacity to think that "believe" otherwise.



Maybe only the critical thinkers here understand the report.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28067575 - 11/24/22 02:29 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I get a ridiculous amount of right wing content pushed to my account


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28067687 - 11/24/22 04:29 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Sure, there are many ways Twitter can improve, and they're working on it.



But they're doing literally nothing to stop impersonation.



We've been debating whether Twitter should be banning impersonation accounts, and now you're saying they're doing nothing by banning such accounts?



No I'm saying they do nothing to prevent impersonation. Taking ID or some type of proof before you make the account would help immensely but they choose to just charge 8 dollars for a check mark and make it difficult to cancel your account. Completely counter intuitive to stopping impersonation.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
    #28067721 - 11/24/22 05:19 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

The Antigay and antisemitic content has gotten noticeably more overt and voluminous the past few days.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28067800 - 11/24/22 06:21 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Ice9 said:
Yep.  Twitter was actually promoting algorithmically "right" content.



It promotes "right" content to users its algorithm thinks are already "right".

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It's really only the kool-aid drinkers out there that lack the critical capacity to think that "believe" otherwise.



Maybe only the critical thinkers here understand the report.



From the researchers at Twitter, also has a link to the actual report:
https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2021/rml-politicalcontent
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In six out of seven countries — all but Germany — Tweets posted by accounts from the political right receive more algorithmic amplification than the political left when studied as a group.




Maybe it is you who doesn't understand the report.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
    #28068202 - 11/25/22 01:53 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I read the report before my post.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28068230 - 11/25/22 03:28 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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It promotes "right" content to users its algorithm thinks are already "right".




You just made that up. The report says the opposite

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since party affiliation or ideology is not a factor our systems consider when recommending content, two individuals in the same political party would not necessarily see the same amplification




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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28068399 - 11/25/22 08:08 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

https://penntoday.upenn.edu/news/Penn-research-Twitter-gives-conservative-news-greater-visibility-liberal-content

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“We were surprised,” says González-Bailón, an associate professor in Penn’s Annenberg School for Communication. “Previous work has documented that Twitter users tend to have a liberal bias. But we found that across the board, the news most often shared has a right-leaning bias. This increases the visibility of conservative voices, even in the context of protest mobilizations with liberal goals.”




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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28068442 - 11/25/22 08:36 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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I read the report before my post.




Then you are a liar who is using the report and lying about what it says to win an argument on the internet.  We've already established that multiple times, but here is yet another example.


INB4 :cryaboutit:poo poo head


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
    #28068480 - 11/25/22 09:00 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

The only stat that supports Twitter having a liberal bias is that more conservatives got banned (talking pre Musk era) than liberal. But I would be willing to bet that is true on this site too. Maybe conservatives just don't understand how the internet works and thus they get banned more often?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: koods]
    #28068633 - 11/25/22 10:52 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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It promotes "right" content to users its algorithm thinks are already "right".




You just made that up. The report says the opposite

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since party affiliation or ideology is not a factor our systems consider when recommending content, two individuals in the same political party would not necessarily see the same amplification






You skipped the more important part:
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An algorithmic Home timeline displays a stream of Tweets from accounts you have chosen to follow on Twitter, as well as recommendations of other content we think you might be interested in based on accounts you interact with frequently, Tweets you engage with, and more.




Regardless, it's clear conservative content was more censored.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28068643 - 11/25/22 10:58 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

I am going to pull a you on this.

More conservative content creators were banned, that is provable. You can't prove that more conservative content was removed.

So, source or make believe?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
    #28068672 - 11/25/22 11:23 AM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Ok fine, more conservative content creators were banned.  Is it a really stretch to believe that conservative content creators who were banned created conservative content?


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
    #28068815 - 11/25/22 01:07 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Is it really such a stretch to believe that they deserved the ban? Perhaps they broke the rules?

You can't prove more conservative content was removed. You made it up.

So it really comes down to you not liking that the people who broke the rules were punished because they are your people.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
    #28068839 - 11/25/22 01:17 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Conservatives caused more problems and made a bigger noise


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: christopera]
    #28068866 - 11/25/22 01:43 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Right-wing content creators get banned more frequently because their ideology is based around violent hateful rhetoric. It's pretty simple, not a conspiracy.

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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #28068876 - 11/25/22 01:46 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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koods said:
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It promotes "right" content to users its algorithm thinks are already "right".




You just made that up. The report says the opposite

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since party affiliation or ideology is not a factor our systems consider when recommending content, two individuals in the same political party would not necessarily see the same amplification






You skipped the more important part:
Quote:

An algorithmic Home timeline displays a stream of Tweets from accounts you have chosen to follow on Twitter, as well as recommendations of other content we think you might be interested in based on accounts you interact with frequently, Tweets you engage with, and more.




Regardless, it's clear conservative content was more censored.




You are drawing conclusions that the research doesn't support.  They looked at amplification only, not delivery.  You are assuming that because "accounts you have chosen to follow on Twitter, as well as recommendations of other content we think you might be interested in based on accounts you interact with frequently" this means that amplified material is being delivered to those who hold the same views as the material itself.  No where in the paper does it say this.  Further, as people often interact with material that elicits emotional responses, people are likely to interact with material against their own personal beliefs often.  With that understanding it is reasonable to assume that algorithmic amplification actually delivered "right" content to "left" users.  I've often noticed that when lay people read a research paper they are prone to inferring conclusions that neither the researchers arrived at nor are supported by the paper at all.


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
    #28068992 - 11/25/22 03:01 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

Yes, it's a stretch.  People who challenged the establishment narrative got banned, such as Garland Nixon, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Zero Hedge, etc.

People who posted pro-Russia videos on Twitter like what some of us shared from Telegram got banned.

The establishment is terrified of the truth getting out, and is trying (quite successfully) to get people to oppose free speech.

It's weird how I've been fighting censorship for years, and everyone keeps telling me that private companies have a right to censor, and now when a private company is choosing to allow free speech, people are melting.

:melt:


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Re: Turns out DHS IS working with private companies to censor speech! [Re: Ice9]
    #28069003 - 11/25/22 03:09 PM (1 year, 5 months ago)

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Regardless, it's clear conservative content was more censored.




You are drawing conclusions that the research doesn't support.



Correct, that particular report didn't look at censorship.

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They looked at amplification only, not delivery.  You are assuming that because "accounts you have chosen to follow on Twitter, as well as recommendations of other content we think you might be interested in based on accounts you interact with frequently" this means that amplified material is being delivered to those who hold the same views as the material itself.  No where in the paper does it say this.  Further, as people often interact with material that elicits emotional responses, people are likely to interact with material against their own personal beliefs often.  With that understanding it is reasonable to assume that algorithmic amplification actually delivered "right" content to "left" users.  I've often noticed that when lay people read a research paper they are prone to inferring conclusions that neither the researchers arrived at nor are supported by the paper at all.



I agree.

I was saying Twitter censors more conservative and anti-establishment content than left wing content, something this report didn't get into.


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